XMRV conference notes, autism mentioned...

[Guest guest]

About 1 hour and 10 minutes in when the action begins – criticism

of CDC (by scientists!), guy from CDC looking like a figure from Kafka novel,

life sucked out by decades of bureaucracy.

Not moving forward. They fkd up big time once before, there is danger

they will fk up this time again – they are currently attempting to replicated

the retrovirus study, but their blood samples from CFS sufferers are taken from

people whose condition is defined as `Unwellness' (so not all diagnosed cfs

cases!!). So of course they are not going to find anything and pronounce this

retrovirus finding `invalid'. God help us

1 hour 20 minutes in the presentation begins with details of

the study, why it is significant, on the virus how it is transmitted, how

infectious it is (it is!!!) what it means etc. also more details on the tests

they run to reveal this, difference between latent and active infection (they

run both types of tests now on offer, so thinking they must be the same ones

they used in the study, ie very good reliable)

Some graphs showing viral budding around outer membrane

(which imo has downstream effect that leads to autism, when happening in brain/glia

tissue)

then showing

slides of the family of child who developed "nieman picks"- they call it

childhood alzheimers here, although Npicks is in many ways identical to autism.

It would be called autism if seen in a younger child. All family tested positive for xmrv active

Now autism: 40% positive for DNA (6 out of 15 patients), 4

out of 7 = 57% positive for antibodies (meaning active infection).

Atypical MS, fibromyalgia also testing positive.

Now talking about blood taken from a diseased CFS patient – kept frozen for 25 years, when thawed the

virus was reactivated and still infectious

More later

[Guest guest]

Natasa

Where are these Notes? This is all very interesting stuff.

Luv Caroline

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> About 1 hour and 10 minutes in when the action begins – criticism of

> CDC (by scientists!), guy from CDC looking like a figure from Kafka

> novel, life sucked out by decades of bureaucracy. Not moving forward.

> They fkd up big time once before, there is danger they will fk up this

> time again – they are currently attempting to replicated the

> retrovirus study, but their blood samples from CFS sufferers are taken

> from people whose condition is defined as `Unwellness' (so not

> all diagnosed cfs cases!!). So of course they are not going to find

> anything and pronounce this retrovirus finding `invalid'. God

> help us

>

>

>

>

> 1 hour 20 minutes in the presentation begins with details of the study,

> why it is significant, on the virus how it is transmitted, how

> infectious it is (it is!!!) what it means etc. also more details on the

> tests they run to reveal this, difference between latent and active

> infection (they run both types of tests now on offer, so thinking they

> must be the same ones they used in the study, ie very good reliable)

>

>

>

> Some graphs showing viral budding around outer membrane (which imo has

> downstream effect that leads to autism, when happening in brain/glia

> tissue)

>

>

> then showing slides of the family of child who developed " nieman

> picks " - they call it childhood alzheimers here, although Npicks is

> in many ways identical to autism. It would be called autism if seen in a

> younger child. All family tested positive for xmrv active

>

>

>

>

> Now autism: 40% positive for DNA (6 out of 15 patients), 4 out of 7 =

> 57% positive for antibodies (meaning active infection).

>

>

>

> Atypical MS, fibromyalgia also testing positive.

>

>

>

> Now talking about blood taken from a diseased CFS patient – kept

> frozen for 25 years, when thawed the virus was reactivated and still

> infectious

>

>

>

>

>

> More later

>

[Guest guest]

those were my notes, you can watch the whole thing here directly http://videocast.nih.gov/Summary.asp?File=15408

also Day2 can be found here : http://videocast.nih.gov/PastEvents.asp

nx

Natasa

Where are these Notes? This is all very interesting stuff.

Luv Caroline

x

>

>

> About 1 hour and 10 minutes in when the action begins ˆ criticism of

> CDC (by scientists!), guy from CDC looking like a figure from Kafka

> novel, life sucked out by decades of bureaucracy. Not moving forward.

> They fkd up big time once before, there is danger they will fk up this

> time again ˆ they are currently attempting to replicated the

> retrovirus study, but their blood samples from CFS sufferers are taken

> from people whose condition is defined as `Unwellness' (so not

> all diagnosed cfs cases!!). So of course they are not going to find

> anything and pronounce this retrovirus finding `invalid'. God

> help us

>

>

>

>

> 1 hour 20 minutes in the presentation begins with details of the study,

> why it is significant, on the virus how it is transmitted, how

> infectious it is (it is!!!) what it means etc. also more details on the

> tests they run to reveal this, difference between latent and active

> infection (they run both types of tests now on offer, so thinking they

> must be the same ones they used in the study, ie very good reliable)

>

>

>

> Some graphs showing viral budding around outer membrane (which imo has

> downstream effect that leads to autism, when happening in brain/glia

> tissue)

>

>

> then showing slides of the family of child who developed " nieman

> picks " - they call it childhood alzheimers here, although Npicks is

> in many ways identical to autism. It would be called autism if seen in a

> younger child. All family tested positive for xmrv active

>

>

>

>

> Now autism: 40% positive for DNA (6 out of 15 patients), 4 out of 7 =

> 57% positive for antibodies (meaning active infection).

>

>

>

> Atypical MS, fibromyalgia also testing positive.

>

>

>

> Now talking about blood taken from a diseased CFS patient ˆ kept

> frozen for 25 years, when thawed the virus was reactivated and still

> infectious

>

>

>

>

>

> More later

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Natasa, will have a watch too, its really pretty remarkable

stuff. I wondered what Dr Klinghardt thinks of all this? Looking forward to

listening to it.

Luv Caroline

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> >> >

> >> > About 1 hour and 10 minutes in when the action begins – criticism of

> >> > CDC (by scientists!), guy from CDC looking like a figure from Kafka

> >> > novel, life sucked out by decades of bureaucracy. Not moving forward.

> >> > They fkd up big time once before, there is danger they will fk up this

> >> > time again – they are currently attempting to replicated the

> >> > retrovirus study, but their blood samples from CFS sufferers are taken

> >> > from people whose condition is defined as `Unwellness' (so not

> >> > all diagnosed cfs cases!!). So of course they are not going to find

> >> > anything and pronounce this retrovirus finding `invalid'. God

> >> > help us

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > 1 hour 20 minutes in the presentation begins with details of the study,

> >> > why it is significant, on the virus how it is transmitted, how

> >> > infectious it is (it is!!!) what it means etc. also more details on the

> >> > tests they run to reveal this, difference between latent and active

> >> > infection (they run both types of tests now on offer, so thinking they

> >> > must be the same ones they used in the study, ie very good reliable)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Some graphs showing viral budding around outer membrane (which imo has

> >> > downstream effect that leads to autism, when happening in brain/glia

> >> > tissue)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > then showing slides of the family of child who developed " nieman

> >> > picks " - they call it childhood alzheimers here, although Npicks is

> >> > in many ways identical to autism. It would be called autism if seen in a

> >> > younger child. All family tested positive for xmrv active

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Now autism: 40% positive for DNA (6 out of 15 patients), 4 out of 7 =

> >> > 57% positive for antibodies (meaning active infection).

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Atypical MS, fibromyalgia also testing positive.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Now talking about blood taken from a diseased CFS patient – kept

> >> > frozen for 25 years, when thawed the virus was reactivated and still

> >> > infectious

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > More later

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