Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 oh don't make me start...ok then .... Maybe he considers that London is England and the rest is desert, and then again maybe he is right, who am I to judge....he talks about mainstream schools where staff don't have training.... well that is not the worse I live in a area where excellent research is done with remarkable repercussions all over the world and the local mainstream does not have training, the autism enhanced resources don't have training, the Special school does not have training and you should hear some of the comments that the outreach teacher says in meetings , she said in one of my son meeting that is behaviour was due to the fact that is was not wearing uniform when I have reports from OT's saying that he has a Sensory Processing dysfunction. what more can you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 In a message dated 12/10/2009 12:59:16 GMT Daylight Time, cmdsdias@... writes: oh don't make me start...ok then .... Maybe he considers that London is England and the rest is desert, and then again maybe he is right, who am I to judge....he talks about mainstream schools where staff don't have training.... well that is not the worse I live in a area where excellent research is done with remarkable repercussions all over the world and the local mainstream does not have training, the autism enhanced resources don't have training, the Special school does not have training and you should hear some of the comments that the outreach teacher says in meetings , she said in one of my son meeting that is behaviour was due to the fact that is was not wearing uniform when I have reports from OT's saying that he has a Sensory Processing dysfunction. what more can you say? >>You said it all and very well.............. Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 This is part of the minutes of the 2008 AGM of the National Autistic Society UK. There is a section relating to the general findings of the new Chief Executive. In general he laments lack of co-ordination over the entire Big-A scene, but at para 5.3, he focuses on lack of specialised staff training in a mainstream London school. Whilst he is no doubt correct in that concern, do you not think he is rather overlooking an elephant in that particular room ?? Or would that state of affairs be un-remarkable in a London school ? 5.3 Another conclusion reached during his travels across the UK was that the autism sector was incredibly fragmented; there were lots of isolated groups doing excellent work with limited support and limited information. He spoke of a mainstream school in London where 73% of pupils were on the spectrum, yet the teachers had no formal training in autism, had few resources, and had no real awareness of the NAS or what it could offer. His visit to the Institute of Psychiatry had demonstrated that a lot of research was being undertaken, but there was no link between that research and practical support for people with autism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Elephant I saw was 'mainstream school in London where 73% of pupils were on the spectrum'.....73 percent !!!! Holy crap, maybe it is the new normal. Maybe we should challenge the authorities to see if they can find the 'normal' 27% ! > > > In a message dated 12/10/2009 12:59:16 GMT Daylight Time, cmdsdias@... > writes: > > oh don't make me start...ok then .... > Maybe he considers that London is England and the rest is desert, and then > again maybe he is right, who am I to judge....he talks about mainstream > schools where staff don't have training.... well that is not the worse I live > in a area where excellent research is done with remarkable repercussions > all over the world and the local mainstream does not have training, the > autism enhanced resources don't have training, the Special school does not have > training and you should hear some of the comments that the outreach > teacher says in meetings , she said in one of my son meeting that is behaviour > was due to the fact that is was not wearing uniform when I have reports from > OT's saying that he has a Sensory Processing dysfunction. > what more can you say? > > > > >>You said it all and very well.............. > > Mandi x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi ,It's just staggering. I was wondering if we could find out which school it was but I didn't find anything.But 73% is quoted as the max for SEN palcements in mainstreamhttp://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmeduski/478/47811.htmBest wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I don't know if it is the same school but we have a friend (that we haven't seen in a few years) who teaches French & Spanish at a mainstream secondary school somewhere in Southwest London and he told us that the school was 70% ASD kids. He'd had no specialist training. I don't remember him commenting about how that was managed but I do remember him saying that his classes were very much beyond his control.  I thought he was exaggerating!!!  D x 2009/10/13 sandy_and_tim_1 <sandyandtim@...>  Hi ,It's just staggering. I was wondering if we could find out which school it was but I didn't find anything.But 73% is quoted as the max for SEN palcements in mainstreamhttp://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmeduski/478/47811.htm Best wishes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 This sounds to me like a special school but without the label and perhaps without the resources and training? perhaps the only non-sutistic children who go there are children of parents who either don't realise what has happened or lack the linguistic skilss and education to get their child into another school, or the money to pay for a provate school. Inclusion is not about sticking all the children with autism, or any other disability, in the same school. Margaret > > I don't know if it is the same school but we have a friend (that we haven't > seen in a few years) who teaches French & Spanish at a mainstream secondary > school somewhere in Southwest London and he told us that the school was 70% > ASD kids. He'd had no specialist training. I don't remember him commenting > about how that was managed but I do remember him saying that his classes > were very much beyond his control. > > I thought he was exaggerating!!! > > D x > > 2009/10/13 sandy_and_tim_1 <sandyandtim@...> > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > It's just staggering. I was wondering if we could find out which school it > > was but I didn't find anything. > > But 73% is quoted as the max for SEN palcements in mainstream > > > > http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmeduski/478/47811.ht\ m > > Best wishes, Sandy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I worked in what was basically a sort of special school without the label in London. It was a sink school in a highly selective borough (no ASD whatsoever though, strangely enough - the first kid with autism that I met was my own). A lot of the kids had statements and a lot more had problems of one sort or another, including just being recent immigrants and not speaking English but none of the kids was severe enough to go to a special school, in my humble opinion. Don't know what value this has, just thought I'd add it to show how things are/ were. sara x > > > This sounds to me like a special school but without the label and > perhaps without the resources and training? perhaps the only > non-sutistic children who go there are children of parents who either > don't realise what has happened or lack the linguistic skilss and > education to get their child into another school, or the money to pay > for a provate school. Inclusion is not about sticking all the children > with autism, or any other disability, in the same school. > Margaret > > > > > > I don't know if it is the same school but we have a friend (that we > haven't > > seen in a few years) who teaches French & Spanish at a mainstream > secondary > > school somewhere in Southwest London and he told us that the school > was 70% > > ASD kids. He'd had no specialist training. I don't remember him > commenting > > about how that was managed but I do remember him saying that his classes > > were very much beyond his control. > > > > I thought he was exaggerating!!! > > > > D x > > > > 2009/10/13 sandy_and_tim_1 <sandyandtim@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > It's just staggering. I was wondering if we could find out which > school it > > > was but I didn't find anything. > > > But 73% is quoted as the max for SEN palcements in mainstream > > > > > > > http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmeduski/478/47811.ht\ m > <http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmeduski/478/47811.h\ tm> > > > Best wishes, Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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