Re: don't want to start a fight - but need help

[Guest guest]

I think this is like the difference between beneficial intestinal bacteria

and ''bad'' bacteria. KT being a special combo of beneficial bacteria and

beneficial yeast and something like Candida being a potentially malicious yeast

if given the opportunity. I think a lot of people have noticed improvement in

yeast infections both isolated and systemic from KT. KT has the bacteria too

but it's helpful and good competition to ''the bad stuff''. So, I guess you

could say bacteria with an antibacterial effect and yeast with an

anti-yeast/fungal yeast effect?

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[Guest guest]

I think this is like the difference between beneficial intestinal bacteria

and ''bad'' bacteria. KT being a special combo of beneficial bacteria and

beneficial yeast and something like Candida being a potentially malicious yeast

if given the opportunity. I think a lot of people have noticed improvement in

yeast infections both isolated and systemic from KT. KT has the bacteria too

but it's helpful and good competition to ''the bad stuff''. So, I guess you

could say bacteria with an antibacterial effect and yeast with an

anti-yeast/fungal yeast effect?

J. D. Shafer-Author of the 90+ Newsletter and Blog-Are you aware of

Inflammatory Breast Cancer? If not, arm yourself with information here: _90+_

(http://journals.aol.com/ninetyplus4life/Capacity/) - Don't be another victim

blind-sided by this aggressive disease. Other topics on 90+ include: Statin

drug

usage linked to cancer, chromium's actual role in diabetes and USDA

documentation of soil depletion.

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[Guest guest]

This is another myth. Yeast Problems are caused by Candida Albicans.

This yeast does not exist in KT and in fact

cannot survive in KT. We are all using it to control our Candida with great

results and fast. The bacteria and yeasts

in Kombucha are the friendly kind and will kill the unfriendlies in a very

short time.

As per usual, some folks start yapping without ever bothering to check the

facts, and others jump on any opportunity

to scare us out of using a highly beneficial herbal remedy.

zoe

> on an autism support group that i belong to - there was a conversation

> re: KT - somewhere along the thread - it was being said that KT has

> " wild yeast " that could cause more yeast problems than it would

> resolve can someone give me some information re: this issue - am i

> dealing with urban legend.

> lisa c

[Guest guest]

This is another myth. Yeast Problems are caused by Candida Albicans.

This yeast does not exist in KT and in fact

cannot survive in KT. We are all using it to control our Candida with great

results and fast. The bacteria and yeasts

in Kombucha are the friendly kind and will kill the unfriendlies in a very

short time.

As per usual, some folks start yapping without ever bothering to check the

facts, and others jump on any opportunity

to scare us out of using a highly beneficial herbal remedy.

zoe

> on an autism support group that i belong to - there was a conversation

> re: KT - somewhere along the thread - it was being said that KT has

> " wild yeast " that could cause more yeast problems than it would

> resolve can someone give me some information re: this issue - am i

> dealing with urban legend.

> lisa c

[Guest guest]

In Betsy Pryor's Kombucha book, she explains in great detail that the type of

yeast found in KT is very different from the yeast that's in, for example, a

yeast infection. She explains that many people think that KT will cause yeast

problems, but that it actually doesn't. I've personally never had a problem

with yeast.

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[Guest guest]

In Betsy Pryor's Kombucha book, she explains in great detail that the type of

yeast found in KT is very different from the yeast that's in, for example, a

yeast infection. She explains that many people think that KT will cause yeast

problems, but that it actually doesn't. I've personally never had a problem

with yeast.

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Let me add my $0.02 to this.. Candida Albicans, the one responsible for many

health conditions is native to our Intestine Flora... We have it naturally in

our guts... Its population is , in a well-functioning immune system ,balanced by

other micro-organisms. The trick is to balance the population of Candida;, in

this sense KT and other probiotics help because they bring competing bacteria

and yeasts to the gut, Candida now has to compete with the good guys, they keep

it in check in other words.. So in that sense KT is good.. and so is Kefir...

and maybe other Fermented food rich in Probiotics... Wide Range are notorious to

debalance the Gut flora.. They kill almost all the good and " bad " guys...

Thereafter one usually display a disproportionate increase of Candida Albicans

with respect to the other micro-organisms... there again Probiotics can help

restore the balance...

Frantz

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Let me add my $0.02 to this.. Candida Albicans, the one responsible for many

health conditions is native to our Intestine Flora... We have it naturally in

our guts... Its population is , in a well-functioning immune system ,balanced by

other micro-organisms. The trick is to balance the population of Candida;, in

this sense KT and other probiotics help because they bring competing bacteria

and yeasts to the gut, Candida now has to compete with the good guys, they keep

it in check in other words.. So in that sense KT is good.. and so is Kefir...

and maybe other Fermented food rich in Probiotics... Wide Range are notorious to

debalance the Gut flora.. They kill almost all the good and " bad " guys...

Thereafter one usually display a disproportionate increase of Candida Albicans

with respect to the other micro-organisms... there again Probiotics can help

restore the balance...

Frantz

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[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe, some people just like drama I think. I think it makes them

feel important or distracts them from dealing with real problems.

Sometimes I they are just ill informed. Boy you'd go crazy wouldn't if

you listened to everything? Phew. lol.

By the way, I still think I'm younger than my nephew but Dr Kawashima

would beg to differ. lol.

Jim

> As per usual, some folks start yapping without ever bothering to

check the facts, and others jump on any opportunity

> to scare us out of using a highly beneficial herbal remedy.

> zoe

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe, some people just like drama I think. I think it makes them

feel important or distracts them from dealing with real problems.

Sometimes I they are just ill informed. Boy you'd go crazy wouldn't if

you listened to everything? Phew. lol.

By the way, I still think I'm younger than my nephew but Dr Kawashima

would beg to differ. lol.

Jim

> As per usual, some folks start yapping without ever bothering to

check the facts, and others jump on any opportunity

> to scare us out of using a highly beneficial herbal remedy.

> zoe

[Guest guest]

Yeah, to use a not very good example it would be like getting pet

cats and someone thinking 'you'll encourage lions to move in.' lol.

I won't go on. : -)

Jim

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> In Betsy Pryor's Kombucha book, she explains in great detail that

the type of yeast found in KT is very different from the yeast

that's in, for example, a yeast infection. She explains that many

people think that KT will cause yeast problems, but that it actually

doesn't. I've personally never had a problem with yeast.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, to use a not very good example it would be like getting pet

cats and someone thinking 'you'll encourage lions to move in.' lol.

I won't go on. : -)

Jim

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> In Betsy Pryor's Kombucha book, she explains in great detail that

the type of yeast found in KT is very different from the yeast

that's in, for example, a yeast infection. She explains that many

people think that KT will cause yeast problems, but that it actually

doesn't. I've personally never had a problem with yeast.

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[Guest guest]

Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) is the yeast used cooking

(i.e. raising bread). It is also in Kombucha and water kefir, and

sourdough starter…it exists in the air.

I have an intolerance to it, meaning my body produces an inflammatory

response when I eat it. My immune system treats it like an invader.

This last year I went through an extensive (strict) detoxification and

elimination process (under the supervision of a certified nutritionist

and my physicians), then reintroduced foods one at a time. After six

months I had confirmed reactions to seven foods. Since one was

genetically based (gluten), I wanted medical confirmation so I could

talk to my family about it. Using Dr. Fine at Enterolab

(enterolab.com) I ordered the entire panel, which included dietary

yeast and dairy.

The reason I found out about Kombucha is because I react to dairy, and

I wanted a food source of beneficial bacteria (previously from dairy

cultures).

Here are my results:

Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 10 Units/10

units (Normal Range <10 Units)

*Interpretation of Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast)

IgA: *Levels of fecal IgA antibody to a food antigen greater than or

equal to 10 are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence

immunologic " sensitivity " to that food. For any elevated fecal antibody

level, it is recommended to remove that food from your diet. Values

less than 10 indicate there currently is minimal or no reaction to that

food and hence, no direct evidence of food sensitivity to that specific

food. However, because 1 in 500 people cannot make IgA at all, and

rarely, some people can still have clinically significant reactions to

a food antigen despite the lack of a significant antibody reaction

(because the reactions primarily involve T cells), if you have an

immune syndrome or symptoms associated with food sensitivity, it is

recommended that you try a strict removal of suspect foods from your

diet for up to 12 months despite a negative test.

In my process, I have not identified clearly what symptom (s) the

reaction to yeast causes. The other foods caused everything from

severe mental illness to debilitating chronic fatigue (5 hours of

energy a day). It is the lowest score on my list of foods….soooooooo, I

still drink my Kombucha. ) As I write this I realize I need to

rechallenge and retest to see how I am doing.

My health is the best it has ever been. I am now off all medications.

my two cents.

Sue

>

> on an autism support group that i belong to - there was a conversation

> re: KT - somewhere along the thread - it was being said that KT has

> " wild yeast " that could cause more yeast problems than it would

> resolve can someone give me some information re: this issue - am i

> dealing with urban legend.

> lisa c

>

[Guest guest]

Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) is the yeast used cooking

(i.e. raising bread). It is also in Kombucha and water kefir, and

sourdough starter…it exists in the air.

I have an intolerance to it, meaning my body produces an inflammatory

response when I eat it. My immune system treats it like an invader.

This last year I went through an extensive (strict) detoxification and

elimination process (under the supervision of a certified nutritionist

and my physicians), then reintroduced foods one at a time. After six

months I had confirmed reactions to seven foods. Since one was

genetically based (gluten), I wanted medical confirmation so I could

talk to my family about it. Using Dr. Fine at Enterolab

(enterolab.com) I ordered the entire panel, which included dietary

yeast and dairy.

The reason I found out about Kombucha is because I react to dairy, and

I wanted a food source of beneficial bacteria (previously from dairy

cultures).

Here are my results:

Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast) IgA 10 Units/10

units (Normal Range <10 Units)

*Interpretation of Fecal Anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae (dietary yeast)

IgA: *Levels of fecal IgA antibody to a food antigen greater than or

equal to 10 are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence

immunologic " sensitivity " to that food. For any elevated fecal antibody

level, it is recommended to remove that food from your diet. Values

less than 10 indicate there currently is minimal or no reaction to that

food and hence, no direct evidence of food sensitivity to that specific

food. However, because 1 in 500 people cannot make IgA at all, and

rarely, some people can still have clinically significant reactions to

a food antigen despite the lack of a significant antibody reaction

(because the reactions primarily involve T cells), if you have an

immune syndrome or symptoms associated with food sensitivity, it is

recommended that you try a strict removal of suspect foods from your

diet for up to 12 months despite a negative test.

In my process, I have not identified clearly what symptom (s) the

reaction to yeast causes. The other foods caused everything from

severe mental illness to debilitating chronic fatigue (5 hours of

energy a day). It is the lowest score on my list of foods….soooooooo, I

still drink my Kombucha. ) As I write this I realize I need to

rechallenge and retest to see how I am doing.

My health is the best it has ever been. I am now off all medications.

my two cents.

Sue

>

> on an autism support group that i belong to - there was a conversation

> re: KT - somewhere along the thread - it was being said that KT has

> " wild yeast " that could cause more yeast problems than it would

> resolve can someone give me some information re: this issue - am i

> dealing with urban legend.

> lisa c

>