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In light of the posts by by the new york times and about

insurance, and your plea...maybe we should try agreeing on one

goal...therapy that increases an individuals ability to communicate

are certainly the most helpful to the individual and the parents.

Yet speech is hard to get in the school system, especially one on

one, and the type our kids need is not often what they get.

If we could narrow it down to one goal that enhances everyone's

life, maybe we could prove what we parents know...that there are

many valid therapies that enhance communication in different ways.

I have seen so many kids that i truly believe could communicate if

something had been available. This is a goal that is top priority

when we first find out.

If we narrow the goal, and prove that a therapy to enhance

communication is effective, we CAN get insurance to cover it. And

disability insurance. We could insist that babies cant wait

continue beyond the age of three, the age when many children's lack

of communication is just being diagnosed as autism. So many

children miss the more nurturing environments that babies cant wait

can provide, and are instead at the age of three given to the public

school system to teach. And we all know that they as a whole dont

do a very good job.

When my daughter could not communicate, it frustrated her into

constant meltdowns. What she communicates today is most of her

feelings, and so many other things i never imagined when she was

three...or six...and i know it will continue, because with

communication comes understanding of what is going on in the world.

But this is a goal for the young, a goal in proving something works

for the young. We have to have a goal for children aging out, and

adults who are trying to find independence. I dont know what is

needed there. How many parents of young kids do know what is going

on with the older kids and young adults? How much does it scare you

not to know what will happen at 18? Or if we, the parents, arent

around? I know i'm not alone in these fears, so i know we can unite

to help this group, too. We just need to know what is needed, dont

we?

Just my thoughts,

Scarlett

- In autism , " E. , Sr. "

<peaceforkids2005@h...> wrote:

>

> ** WE MUST UNITE AS ONE **

> WE ARE A TEAM...........All of our groups......all of our in

person

> groups.........we all make up ONE VERY STRONG LOBBY....... if we

> would just ALL JOIN Something !!!!!! ASA didn't work..... FEAT

sorta

> worked......Many local groups are somewhat slow..... BUT,

> TOGETHER.....ALL OF US parents could make a difference..... We

> really need to join together by the hundreds of thousands.....and

> create an ASD Lobby that even the pharmies have to fight. WE CAN

> MAKE A DIFFERENCE......... WE JUST NEED TO UNITE.........

> Thats what we are missing.......UNITY.

> It won't be easy.....and will take ALOT OF WORK BY MANY to UNITE

all

> state, local, and National groups..... CAN WE DO IT ?

>

> WE MUST UNITE....ALL THE GROUPS.....FROM , MSN, and In Person

> Groups.... THEN......and ONLY THEN...........will we have the

> numbers to throw down at Legislators...a large number of potential

> voters.... Can we try ?

>

> E.,Sr USCRLDC,CA.DoD Dir, The Office of Advocacy

> Peaceforkids2005@h...

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> In light of the posts by by the new york times and about

> insurance, and your plea...maybe we should try agreeing on one

> goal...therapy that increases an individuals ability to communicate

> are certainly the most helpful to the individual and the parents.

> Yet speech is hard to get in the school system, especially one on

> one, and the type our kids need is not often what they get.

>

> If we could narrow it down to one goal that enhances everyone's

> life, maybe we could prove what we parents know...that there are

> many valid therapies that enhance communication in different ways.

> I have seen so many kids that i truly believe could communicate if

> something had been available. This is a goal that is top priority

> when we first find out.

Communication is basic. However, in a large proportion of autistics

there is poor control of the muscles that produce speech. Poor brain

processing of sounds also affects a high proportion. As a result, it's

not only difficult to figure out which sounds make up the speech we need

to learn, it's also very difficult to contol our breath and produce the

sounds.

I, personally, didn't understand what sounds words were supposed to have

until I was taught to read. Suddenly I had the phonetic key to how each

word was to be pronounced. Up until then I basically had no way to

communicate verbally. Even now, I have a limit on how long I can talk

-- confusion/stress from trying to understand the sounds people are

making at me, plus exhaustion of the throat and facial muscles conspire

to limit me to about an hour a day of verbal interaction. So much for

day-long conferences or cocktail parties!

We need to provide keyboard machines for text-to-speech or other methods

of nonverbal communication in the schools. This is not being done.

Children with normal intelligence and no way to communicate are being

" graduated " and thrown into the communitiy with no way to convey their

preferences to caregivers, and no way to work toward independence as

productive members of society. This is WRONG.

The website http://aac.unl.edu/yaack/b5.html connects to discussion

groups of users of these augmentative communication devices that explain

their use and utility. No one should be willing to allow their child to

pass into adulthood without at least a good try at learning to use a

device to enhance communication at school and AT HOME. Often the

devices are controlled by schools and the child is not allowed to take

them home to use them.

> If we narrow the goal, and prove that a therapy to enhance

> communication is effective, we CAN get insurance to cover it. And

> disability insurance. We could insist that babies cant wait

> continue beyond the age of three, the age when many children's lack

> of communication is just being diagnosed as autism. So many

> children miss the more nurturing environments that babies cant wait

> can provide, and are instead at the age of three given to the public

> school system to teach. And we all know that they as a whole dont

> do a very good job.

>

> When my daughter could not communicate, it frustrated her into

> constant meltdowns. What she communicates today is most of her

> feelings, and so many other things i never imagined when she was

> three...or six...and i know it will continue, because with

> communication comes understanding of what is going on in the world.

>

> But this is a goal for the young, a goal in proving something works

> for the young. We have to have a goal for children aging out, and

> adults who are trying to find independence. I dont know what is

> needed there. How many parents of young kids do know what is going

> on with the older kids and young adults? How much does it scare you

> not to know what will happen at 18? Or if we, the parents, arent

> around? I know i'm not alone in these fears, so i know we can unite

> to help this group, too. We just need to know what is needed, dont

> we?

>

> Just my thoughts,

> Scarlett

Speech is important, of course, but it might not come easily or early.

My life partner couldn't speak understandably until he was 11, but that

hasn't kept him from being productive, self-supporting, and an asset to

the community.

Let's approach autism realistically -- develop what can be developed by

each child and accept that autism exists -- it will be a part of the

child's makeup, but shouldn't keep him from being part of society.

Patty

http://www.autistics.cc

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> >

> > In light of the posts by by the new york times and

about

> > insurance, and your plea...maybe we should try agreeing on one

> > goal...therapy that increases an individuals ability to

communicate

> > are certainly the most helpful to the individual and the

parents.

> > Yet speech is hard to get in the school system, especially one

on

> > one, and the type our kids need is not often what they get.

> >

> > If we could narrow it down to one goal that enhances everyone's

> > life, maybe we could prove what we parents know...that there are

> > many valid therapies that enhance communication in different

ways.

> > I have seen so many kids that i truly believe could communicate

if

> > something had been available. This is a goal that is top

priority

> > when we first find out.

>

> Communication is basic. However, in a large proportion of

autistics

> there is poor control of the muscles that produce speech. Poor

brain

> processing of sounds also affects a high proportion. As a result,

it's

> not only difficult to figure out which sounds make up the speech

we need

> to learn, it's also very difficult to contol our breath and

produce the

> sounds.

>

> I, personally, didn't understand what sounds words were supposed

to have

> until I was taught to read. Suddenly I had the phonetic key to

how each

> word was to be pronounced. Up until then I basically had no way

to

> communicate verbally. Even now, I have a limit on how long I can

talk

> -- confusion/stress from trying to understand the sounds people

are

> making at me, plus exhaustion of the throat and facial muscles

conspire

> to limit me to about an hour a day of verbal interaction. So much

for

> day-long conferences or cocktail parties!

>

> We need to provide keyboard machines for text-to-speech or other

methods

> of nonverbal communication in the schools. This is not being

done.

> Children with normal intelligence and no way to communicate are

being

> " graduated " and thrown into the communitiy with no way to convey

their

> preferences to caregivers, and no way to work toward independence

as

> productive members of society. This is WRONG.

>

> The website http://aac.unl.edu/yaack/b5.html connects to

discussion

> groups of users of these augmentative communication devices that

explain

> their use and utility. No one should be willing to allow their

child to

> pass into adulthood without at least a good try at learning to use

a

> device to enhance communication at school and AT HOME. Often the

> devices are controlled by schools and the child is not allowed to

take

> them home to use them.

>

> > If we narrow the goal, and prove that a therapy to enhance

> > communication is effective, we CAN get insurance to cover it.

And

> > disability insurance. We could insist that babies cant wait

> > continue beyond the age of three, the age when many children's

lack

> > of communication is just being diagnosed as autism. So many

> > children miss the more nurturing environments that babies cant

wait

> > can provide, and are instead at the age of three given to the

public

> > school system to teach. And we all know that they as a whole

dont

> > do a very good job.

> >

> > When my daughter could not communicate, it frustrated her into

> > constant meltdowns. What she communicates today is most of her

> > feelings, and so many other things i never imagined when she was

> > three...or six...and i know it will continue, because with

> > communication comes understanding of what is going on in the

world.

> >

> > But this is a goal for the young, a goal in proving something

works

> > for the young. We have to have a goal for children aging out,

and

> > adults who are trying to find independence. I dont know what is

> > needed there. How many parents of young kids do know what is

going

> > on with the older kids and young adults? How much does it scare

you

> > not to know what will happen at 18? Or if we, the parents,

arent

> > around? I know i'm not alone in these fears, so i know we can

unite

> > to help this group, too. We just need to know what is needed,

dont

> > we?

> >

> > Just my thoughts,

> > Scarlett

>

> Speech is important, of course, but it might not come easily or

early.

> My life partner couldn't speak understandably until he was 11, but

that

> hasn't kept him from being productive, self-supporting, and an

asset to

> the community.

>

> Let's approach autism realistically -- develop what can be

developed by

> each child and accept that autism exists -- it will be a part of

the

> child's makeup, but shouldn't keep him from being part of society.

>

> Patty

> http://www.autistics.cc

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We are on the same page as for what we think kids in school need.

I've asked for augmentative communication devices for my child for

years, and finally got an eval this year. The evaluator was

OUTSTANDING....she really knew her stuff, and i was under the

impression we would get a typing machine, a ten key calculator, and

some kind of headphones to block out sound. In the IEP meetings,

and in personal conversations, the only thing ever mentioned was for

typing. I would argue, and ask that i be put in contact with the

evaluator, to no avail. I never saw the one peice of equipment, and

was told that my daughter wasnt in attendance when it would be used.

(we were doing part days). Every single person that denied her that

and gave a reason for it is full of crap, and i dont want my child

around people who only fight for themselves. They were try to

either save money, or keep a precedent from being set. Saving money

in a state who's education department sent 3 million dollars of

monies appropriated for education BACK to the government, isnt a

priority. Finding people who know how to get and spend it should be.

As for speech...speech and communication are not the same. But it

is always the speech teacher the schools put communication skills

work on(if you are lucky enough to get speech at all). I dont know

how to talk about something that doesnt exist, ie., someone who

understands how to teach communication on it's most rudimentary

levels. This is an area to work on making happen, though. If

enough speech teachers were upset because they didnt feel qualified,

or because this isnt in thier job description, seems to me a new

position of communication specialist might be in order.

I know that not all people become verbal to communicate. My

daughter is verbal, but she has trouble writing(my hands cramped as

a kid, and i wonder if hers does), and it takes away from what she

gets out of some lessons. I used sign language combined with PECS

(my version), and OT. It took six months of one on one for one

word, but we did it. I do child led teaching, so she was always

happy, but it still took that long. I would speak into her hand,

and let her feel the words coming out of my throat. It was years

before that one word turned into sentences. But i believe everyone

can learn to communicate in some way, and your right, we need the

schools offering the equipment. I'd like to see some other entity

taking care of this until our kids are older though, because the

school does not have the same desires that we do. I just wanted my

daughter to get through a day without being upset. But she was

upset because i didnt read her mind, a skill i've now added:0).

We can fight for the individuals rights, but if we keep making it so

broad a request, i think people get overwhelmed and dont know where

to begin, so they do nothing. I learned this from my doctors. I'd

bombard them with so many things, they didnt know where to

begin...and often did nothing. It all became legitimized, but the

fact is, i overwhelmed them so much, they blamed it on me, and sent

me on. I learned in my IEP's to ask for one thing at a

time....instead of bombarding them with lots of things. Funny, no

matter how i've handled the school, gently or firmly, they still

only do the minimum.

Maybe we could unite over the fact that the state of Georgia is not

offering one program that sufficiently works with our children as a

whole. But, unless we are all efficiently organized, we dont have

the paper proof. I know from personal experience, one person will

not change things. Taking it through the system into the courts is

the only way to change it. But, it will change for that one child,

not for the whole of our children, if we dont go at it together.

All people, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual

orientation, or disability deserve to just live as they are. But

these are the very issues we've fought over forever for humans in

this country. Somehow we have to find a way to do something for one

group that could not be completely accomplished in the general

society. How?

Scarlett

> > >

> > > In light of the posts by by the new york times and

> about

> > > insurance, and your plea...maybe we should try agreeing on one

> > > goal...therapy that increases an individuals ability to

> communicate

> > > are certainly the most helpful to the individual and the

> parents.

> > > Yet speech is hard to get in the school system, especially one

> on

> > > one, and the type our kids need is not often what they get.

> > >

> > > If we could narrow it down to one goal that enhances

everyone's

> > > life, maybe we could prove what we parents know...that there

are

> > > many valid therapies that enhance communication in different

> ways.

> > > I have seen so many kids that i truly believe could

communicate

> if

> > > something had been available. This is a goal that is top

> priority

> > > when we first find out.

> >

> > Communication is basic. However, in a large proportion of

> autistics

> > there is poor control of the muscles that produce speech. Poor

> brain

> > processing of sounds also affects a high proportion. As a

result,

> it's

> > not only difficult to figure out which sounds make up the speech

> we need

> > to learn, it's also very difficult to contol our breath and

> produce the

> > sounds.

> >

> > I, personally, didn't understand what sounds words were supposed

> to have

> > until I was taught to read. Suddenly I had the phonetic key to

> how each

> > word was to be pronounced. Up until then I basically had no way

> to

> > communicate verbally. Even now, I have a limit on how long I

can

> talk

> > -- confusion/stress from trying to understand the sounds people

> are

> > making at me, plus exhaustion of the throat and facial muscles

> conspire

> > to limit me to about an hour a day of verbal interaction. So

much

> for

> > day-long conferences or cocktail parties!

> >

> > We need to provide keyboard machines for text-to-speech or other

> methods

> > of nonverbal communication in the schools. This is not being

> done.

> > Children with normal intelligence and no way to communicate are

> being

> > " graduated " and thrown into the communitiy with no way to convey

> their

> > preferences to caregivers, and no way to work toward

independence

> as

> > productive members of society. This is WRONG.

> >

> > The website http://aac.unl.edu/yaack/b5.html connects to

> discussion

> > groups of users of these augmentative communication devices that

> explain

> > their use and utility. No one should be willing to allow their

> child to

> > pass into adulthood without at least a good try at learning to

use

> a

> > device to enhance communication at school and AT HOME. Often

the

> > devices are controlled by schools and the child is not allowed

to

> take

> > them home to use them.

> >

> > > If we narrow the goal, and prove that a therapy to enhance

> > > communication is effective, we CAN get insurance to cover it.

> And

> > > disability insurance. We could insist that babies cant wait

> > > continue beyond the age of three, the age when many children's

> lack

> > > of communication is just being diagnosed as autism. So many

> > > children miss the more nurturing environments that babies cant

> wait

> > > can provide, and are instead at the age of three given to the

> public

> > > school system to teach. And we all know that they as a whole

> dont

> > > do a very good job.

> > >

> > > When my daughter could not communicate, it frustrated her into

> > > constant meltdowns. What she communicates today is most of

her

> > > feelings, and so many other things i never imagined when she

was

> > > three...or six...and i know it will continue, because with

> > > communication comes understanding of what is going on in the

> world.

> > >

> > > But this is a goal for the young, a goal in proving something

> works

> > > for the young. We have to have a goal for children aging out,

> and

> > > adults who are trying to find independence. I dont know what

is

> > > needed there. How many parents of young kids do know what is

> going

> > > on with the older kids and young adults? How much does it

scare

> you

> > > not to know what will happen at 18? Or if we, the parents,

> arent

> > > around? I know i'm not alone in these fears, so i know we can

> unite

> > > to help this group, too. We just need to know what is needed,

> dont

> > > we?

> > >

> > > Just my thoughts,

> > > Scarlett

> >

> > Speech is important, of course, but it might not come easily or

> early.

> > My life partner couldn't speak understandably until he was 11,

but

> that

> > hasn't kept him from being productive, self-supporting, and an

> asset to

> > the community.

> >

> > Let's approach autism realistically -- develop what can be

> developed by

> > each child and accept that autism exists -- it will be a part of

> the

> > child's makeup, but shouldn't keep him from being part of

society.

> >

> > Patty

> > http://www.autistics.cc

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