Re: clean room therapy...what in the world???

[Guest guest]

Bathing every 90 minues? Washing his mouth out constantly? What happens if he

resists? Will she be using positive reinforcement? Will she restrain him? I

love my son, but if I had to stay in the same room with him for a year fighting

him over bathes, I would go nuts. How will she keep his skin from breaking

down? It's nto abuse now, but I think it will be a month into the game.

[Guest guest]

Bathing every 90 minues? Washing his mouth out constantly? What happens if he

resists? Will she be using positive reinforcement? Will she restrain him? I

love my son, but if I had to stay in the same room with him for a year fighting

him over bathes, I would go nuts. How will she keep his skin from breaking

down? It's nto abuse now, but I think it will be a month into the game.

[Guest guest]

sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

from Boseman, MT....

i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

open the door every now and then just to feel

comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

i would probably be struck by lightening!

> okay, i joined a group that's located in florida just to get some

> info regarding fl...for when we move..

>

> anyway, this was one of their latest posts...what is going on in

> florida??? that kid will go crazy in that room for a year!!! the

mom

> (i would) will go crazy!! i understand that we all have tried

> alternative methods but, i this just rubbed me the wrong

way...ugh!!!!

> it's not like we don't have $$$ issues anyway with trying to treat

> our kids but, then we have people out there charging huge amounts

for

> out-of-this world therapies...double UGH!!!

>

> sorry, if i offend anyone...just my personal gut reaction to this

and

> wanted to share it with you all

> ---------------------------------------

> Experimental Autism Therapy Provides Hope For Family

>

> [by Kayley Mendenhall, Chronicle. This is presented for our

> readers'

> information only and should not be construed as a treatment

> endorsement by

> this newsletter.]

>

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/06/26/news/02autism

> bzbigs

> ..txt

>

> Chip Minalga is a blonde-haired, brown-eyed, skinny 10-year-

old

> child

> who loves to be chased by his older brother.

> He wants candy he's not supposed to have and, according to

his

> dad,

> dislikes going to school as much as most children his age.

> But unlike his peers, Chip suffers from autism.

> He can't speak, has trouble making eye contact and spends

much

> of his

> time shaking his hands and wiggling his fingers near his face -- a

> self-stimulatory behavior common among autistic people.

> Chip has bad headaches and his mom, Pam Tate, said she knows

he

> is

> frustrated by his inability to communicate.

> " I don't know what to do, " Tate said. " You watch your kid in

> pain all

> the time. You just don't know what to do. "

> Finally -- through an extreme and experimental treatment --

> Tate feels

> she's found hope.

> In the next month, she and Chip will move into a specially-

> designed

> " clean room " in their home and live there for a year as part of a

> program

> devised by Slimak, an environmental toxicologist from

Virginia.

> The idea, Slimak said, is that autistic symptoms are caused

by

> the

> body's exposure and reaction to volatile organic compounds --

> chemicals used

> in paints, chlorinated water and petroleum products, among other

> things.

> To test her theory, she began taking sick people and removing

> their

> exposures to the compounds one at a time.

> " One of the things that is absolutely true is that you can

not

> be

> affected by things that you are not around, " she said. " If you have

no

> exposure, you can not be sick by those things. "

> Slimak has seen nearly miraculous results in 49 autistic

> children who

> have gone through the program.

> Tate has researched the program, interviewed parents involved

> and is

> ready to invest $50,000 and a year of her life to helping her son.

> " He can't go on like this and I can't put him in a home, " she

> said. " I

> think this woman has figured it out. "

> Chip's treatment begins in the clean room, where he'll

> basically go

> through detox. He will live in the room for one year, and Tate will

> spend

> all waking hours with him.

> They will wear 100 percent organic cotton clothing without

> elastic or

> zippers. And because Chip's body will be releasing toxins, Tate

will

> wash

> his mouth with hydrogen peroxide every half hour and bathe him in

it

> every

> 90 minutes.

> " This all makes sense to me, " she said. " I have tried

> everything else.

> All the traditional treatments. "

> Tate won't be able to work and Chip won't go to school.

They'll

> spend

> every day in a bare room with an air-lock door and a high-tech

> filtration

> system. Chip's diet will include only exotic fruits and vegetables

> like

> dandelion greens and okra and meats that haven't touched plastic.

> Jeff Minalga, Chip's dad, said he is worried the clean room

> will be

> too much of a lab setting for his son. But he equated the process

to

> an

> alcoholic going through detox and said sometimes going " cold

turkey "

> is the

> best.

> " Initially, it sounds like a lot of involvement, " said Mike

> ,

> Chip's family support specialist at Family Outreach. " They haven't

> had that

> many kids go through it. There is always that concern about whether

> it is

> truly effective or not. "

> But if all goes as planned, Chip's speech will eventually be

> restored,

> he'll be able to live outside of the clean room and by the time he

> goes to

> high school, he could be at the same level as his classmates.

> " It will take four or five years before he can walk free in

the

> world

> and (not) worry about diet or restrictions, " Slimak said. By

> then, " they'll

> be ready to move on with their life and never look back. "

[Guest guest]

sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

from Boseman, MT....

i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

open the door every now and then just to feel

comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

i would probably be struck by lightening!

> okay, i joined a group that's located in florida just to get some

> info regarding fl...for when we move..

>

> anyway, this was one of their latest posts...what is going on in

> florida??? that kid will go crazy in that room for a year!!! the

mom

> (i would) will go crazy!! i understand that we all have tried

> alternative methods but, i this just rubbed me the wrong

way...ugh!!!!

> it's not like we don't have $$$ issues anyway with trying to treat

> our kids but, then we have people out there charging huge amounts

for

> out-of-this world therapies...double UGH!!!

>

> sorry, if i offend anyone...just my personal gut reaction to this

and

> wanted to share it with you all

> ---------------------------------------

> Experimental Autism Therapy Provides Hope For Family

>

> [by Kayley Mendenhall, Chronicle. This is presented for our

> readers'

> information only and should not be construed as a treatment

> endorsement by

> this newsletter.]

>

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/06/26/news/02autism

> bzbigs

> ..txt

>

> Chip Minalga is a blonde-haired, brown-eyed, skinny 10-year-

old

> child

> who loves to be chased by his older brother.

> He wants candy he's not supposed to have and, according to

his

> dad,

> dislikes going to school as much as most children his age.

> But unlike his peers, Chip suffers from autism.

> He can't speak, has trouble making eye contact and spends

much

> of his

> time shaking his hands and wiggling his fingers near his face -- a

> self-stimulatory behavior common among autistic people.

> Chip has bad headaches and his mom, Pam Tate, said she knows

he

> is

> frustrated by his inability to communicate.

> " I don't know what to do, " Tate said. " You watch your kid in

> pain all

> the time. You just don't know what to do. "

> Finally -- through an extreme and experimental treatment --

> Tate feels

> she's found hope.

> In the next month, she and Chip will move into a specially-

> designed

> " clean room " in their home and live there for a year as part of a

> program

> devised by Slimak, an environmental toxicologist from

Virginia.

> The idea, Slimak said, is that autistic symptoms are caused

by

> the

> body's exposure and reaction to volatile organic compounds --

> chemicals used

> in paints, chlorinated water and petroleum products, among other

> things.

> To test her theory, she began taking sick people and removing

> their

> exposures to the compounds one at a time.

> " One of the things that is absolutely true is that you can

not

> be

> affected by things that you are not around, " she said. " If you have

no

> exposure, you can not be sick by those things. "

> Slimak has seen nearly miraculous results in 49 autistic

> children who

> have gone through the program.

> Tate has researched the program, interviewed parents involved

> and is

> ready to invest $50,000 and a year of her life to helping her son.

> " He can't go on like this and I can't put him in a home, " she

> said. " I

> think this woman has figured it out. "

> Chip's treatment begins in the clean room, where he'll

> basically go

> through detox. He will live in the room for one year, and Tate will

> spend

> all waking hours with him.

> They will wear 100 percent organic cotton clothing without

> elastic or

> zippers. And because Chip's body will be releasing toxins, Tate

will

> wash

> his mouth with hydrogen peroxide every half hour and bathe him in

it

> every

> 90 minutes.

> " This all makes sense to me, " she said. " I have tried

> everything else.

> All the traditional treatments. "

> Tate won't be able to work and Chip won't go to school.

They'll

> spend

> every day in a bare room with an air-lock door and a high-tech

> filtration

> system. Chip's diet will include only exotic fruits and vegetables

> like

> dandelion greens and okra and meats that haven't touched plastic.

> Jeff Minalga, Chip's dad, said he is worried the clean room

> will be

> too much of a lab setting for his son. But he equated the process

to

> an

> alcoholic going through detox and said sometimes going " cold

turkey "

> is the

> best.

> " Initially, it sounds like a lot of involvement, " said Mike

> ,

> Chip's family support specialist at Family Outreach. " They haven't

> had that

> many kids go through it. There is always that concern about whether

> it is

> truly effective or not. "

> But if all goes as planned, Chip's speech will eventually be

> restored,

> he'll be able to live outside of the clean room and by the time he

> goes to

> high school, he could be at the same level as his classmates.

> " It will take four or five years before he can walk free in

the

> world

> and (not) worry about diet or restrictions, " Slimak said. By

> then, " they'll

> be ready to move on with their life and never look back. "

[Guest guest]

Well, I hope no one gets " stuck down "

with lightening!!! Here are my comments:

* extreme allergies and chemical sensitivities often have

toxic metals behind them. That is, people who are mercury

toxic are usually or often the people who get " multiple

chemical sensitivities " and things like this. I think that

looking at THAT would very likely be more effective than

the clean room idea. The clean room MAY help, but I don't

see how it would help permanently. To me it seems like

it would not change any sensitivity, so when he leaves the

room, it would be same as before. But I am guessing.

* I personally have used hydrogen peroxide in many ways,

including the stuff they talked about. I don't think it

is nuts. Although how much it will help I certainly would

NOT make any claims for.

best,

Moria

> > okay, i joined a group that's located in florida just to get some

> > info regarding fl...for when we move..

> >

> > anyway, this was one of their latest posts...what is going on in

> > florida??? that kid will go crazy in that room for a year!!! the

> mom

> > (i would) will go crazy!! i understand that we all have tried

> > alternative methods but, i this just rubbed me the wrong

> way...ugh!!!!

> > it's not like we don't have $$$ issues anyway with trying to treat

> > our kids but, then we have people out there charging huge amounts

> for

> > out-of-this world therapies...double UGH!!!

> >

> > sorry, if i offend anyone...just my personal gut reaction to this

> and

> > wanted to share it with you all

> > ---------------------------------------

> > Experimental Autism Therapy Provides Hope For Family

> >

> > [by Kayley Mendenhall, Chronicle. This is presented for our

> > readers'

> > information only and should not be construed as a treatment

> > endorsement by

> > this newsletter.]

> >

> http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/06/26/news/02autism

> > bzbigs

> > ..txt

> >

> > Chip Minalga is a blonde-haired, brown-eyed, skinny 10-year-

> old

> > child

> > who loves to be chased by his older brother.

> > He wants candy he's not supposed to have and, according to

> his

> > dad,

> > dislikes going to school as much as most children his age.

> > But unlike his peers, Chip suffers from autism.

> > He can't speak, has trouble making eye contact and spends

> much

> > of his

> > time shaking his hands and wiggling his fingers near his face -- a

> > self-stimulatory behavior common among autistic people.

> > Chip has bad headaches and his mom, Pam Tate, said she knows

> he

> > is

> > frustrated by his inability to communicate.

> > " I don't know what to do, " Tate said. " You watch your kid in

> > pain all

> > the time. You just don't know what to do. "

> > Finally -- through an extreme and experimental treatment --

> > Tate feels

> > she's found hope.

> > In the next month, she and Chip will move into a specially-

> > designed

> > " clean room " in their home and live there for a year as part of a

> > program

> > devised by Slimak, an environmental toxicologist from

> Virginia.

> > The idea, Slimak said, is that autistic symptoms are caused

> by

> > the

> > body's exposure and reaction to volatile organic compounds --

> > chemicals used

> > in paints, chlorinated water and petroleum products, among other

> > things.

> > To test her theory, she began taking sick people and removing

> > their

> > exposures to the compounds one at a time.

> > " One of the things that is absolutely true is that you can

> not

> > be

> > affected by things that you are not around, " she said. " If you have

> no

> > exposure, you can not be sick by those things. "

> > Slimak has seen nearly miraculous results in 49 autistic

> > children who

> > have gone through the program.

> > Tate has researched the program, interviewed parents involved

> > and is

> > ready to invest $50,000 and a year of her life to helping her son.

> > " He can't go on like this and I can't put him in a home, " she

> > said. " I

> > think this woman has figured it out. "

> > Chip's treatment begins in the clean room, where he'll

> > basically go

> > through detox. He will live in the room for one year, and Tate will

> > spend

> > all waking hours with him.

> > They will wear 100 percent organic cotton clothing without

> > elastic or

> > zippers. And because Chip's body will be releasing toxins, Tate

> will

> > wash

> > his mouth with hydrogen peroxide every half hour and bathe him in

> it

> > every

> > 90 minutes.

> > " This all makes sense to me, " she said. " I have tried

> > everything else.

> > All the traditional treatments. "

> > Tate won't be able to work and Chip won't go to school.

> They'll

> > spend

> > every day in a bare room with an air-lock door and a high-tech

> > filtration

> > system. Chip's diet will include only exotic fruits and vegetables

> > like

> > dandelion greens and okra and meats that haven't touched plastic.

> > Jeff Minalga, Chip's dad, said he is worried the clean room

> > will be

> > too much of a lab setting for his son. But he equated the process

> to

> > an

> > alcoholic going through detox and said sometimes going " cold

> turkey "

> > is the

> > best.

> > " Initially, it sounds like a lot of involvement, " said Mike

> > ,

> > Chip's family support specialist at Family Outreach. " They haven't

> > had that

> > many kids go through it. There is always that concern about whether

> > it is

> > truly effective or not. "

> > But if all goes as planned, Chip's speech will eventually be

> > restored,

> > he'll be able to live outside of the clean room and by the time he

> > goes to

> > high school, he could be at the same level as his classmates.

> > " It will take four or five years before he can walk free in

> the

> > world

> > and (not) worry about diet or restrictions, " Slimak said. By

> > then, " they'll

> > be ready to move on with their life and never look back. "

[Guest guest]

Well, I hope no one gets " stuck down "

with lightening!!! Here are my comments:

* extreme allergies and chemical sensitivities often have

toxic metals behind them. That is, people who are mercury

toxic are usually or often the people who get " multiple

chemical sensitivities " and things like this. I think that

looking at THAT would very likely be more effective than

the clean room idea. The clean room MAY help, but I don't

see how it would help permanently. To me it seems like

it would not change any sensitivity, so when he leaves the

room, it would be same as before. But I am guessing.

* I personally have used hydrogen peroxide in many ways,

including the stuff they talked about. I don't think it

is nuts. Although how much it will help I certainly would

NOT make any claims for.

best,

Moria

> > okay, i joined a group that's located in florida just to get some

> > info regarding fl...for when we move..

> >

> > anyway, this was one of their latest posts...what is going on in

> > florida??? that kid will go crazy in that room for a year!!! the

> mom

> > (i would) will go crazy!! i understand that we all have tried

> > alternative methods but, i this just rubbed me the wrong

> way...ugh!!!!

> > it's not like we don't have $$$ issues anyway with trying to treat

> > our kids but, then we have people out there charging huge amounts

> for

> > out-of-this world therapies...double UGH!!!

> >

> > sorry, if i offend anyone...just my personal gut reaction to this

> and

> > wanted to share it with you all

> > ---------------------------------------

> > Experimental Autism Therapy Provides Hope For Family

> >

> > [by Kayley Mendenhall, Chronicle. This is presented for our

> > readers'

> > information only and should not be construed as a treatment

> > endorsement by

> > this newsletter.]

> >

> http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/06/26/news/02autism

> > bzbigs

> > ..txt

> >

> > Chip Minalga is a blonde-haired, brown-eyed, skinny 10-year-

> old

> > child

> > who loves to be chased by his older brother.

> > He wants candy he's not supposed to have and, according to

> his

> > dad,

> > dislikes going to school as much as most children his age.

> > But unlike his peers, Chip suffers from autism.

> > He can't speak, has trouble making eye contact and spends

> much

> > of his

> > time shaking his hands and wiggling his fingers near his face -- a

> > self-stimulatory behavior common among autistic people.

> > Chip has bad headaches and his mom, Pam Tate, said she knows

> he

> > is

> > frustrated by his inability to communicate.

> > " I don't know what to do, " Tate said. " You watch your kid in

> > pain all

> > the time. You just don't know what to do. "

> > Finally -- through an extreme and experimental treatment --

> > Tate feels

> > she's found hope.

> > In the next month, she and Chip will move into a specially-

> > designed

> > " clean room " in their home and live there for a year as part of a

> > program

> > devised by Slimak, an environmental toxicologist from

> Virginia.

> > The idea, Slimak said, is that autistic symptoms are caused

> by

> > the

> > body's exposure and reaction to volatile organic compounds --

> > chemicals used

> > in paints, chlorinated water and petroleum products, among other

> > things.

> > To test her theory, she began taking sick people and removing

> > their

> > exposures to the compounds one at a time.

> > " One of the things that is absolutely true is that you can

> not

> > be

> > affected by things that you are not around, " she said. " If you have

> no

> > exposure, you can not be sick by those things. "

> > Slimak has seen nearly miraculous results in 49 autistic

> > children who

> > have gone through the program.

> > Tate has researched the program, interviewed parents involved

> > and is

> > ready to invest $50,000 and a year of her life to helping her son.

> > " He can't go on like this and I can't put him in a home, " she

> > said. " I

> > think this woman has figured it out. "

> > Chip's treatment begins in the clean room, where he'll

> > basically go

> > through detox. He will live in the room for one year, and Tate will

> > spend

> > all waking hours with him.

> > They will wear 100 percent organic cotton clothing without

> > elastic or

> > zippers. And because Chip's body will be releasing toxins, Tate

> will

> > wash

> > his mouth with hydrogen peroxide every half hour and bathe him in

> it

> > every

> > 90 minutes.

> > " This all makes sense to me, " she said. " I have tried

> > everything else.

> > All the traditional treatments. "

> > Tate won't be able to work and Chip won't go to school.

> They'll

> > spend

> > every day in a bare room with an air-lock door and a high-tech

> > filtration

> > system. Chip's diet will include only exotic fruits and vegetables

> > like

> > dandelion greens and okra and meats that haven't touched plastic.

> > Jeff Minalga, Chip's dad, said he is worried the clean room

> > will be

> > too much of a lab setting for his son. But he equated the process

> to

> > an

> > alcoholic going through detox and said sometimes going " cold

> turkey "

> > is the

> > best.

> > " Initially, it sounds like a lot of involvement, " said Mike

> > ,

> > Chip's family support specialist at Family Outreach. " They haven't

> > had that

> > many kids go through it. There is always that concern about whether

> > it is

> > truly effective or not. "

> > But if all goes as planned, Chip's speech will eventually be

> > restored,

> > he'll be able to live outside of the clean room and by the time he

> > goes to

> > high school, he could be at the same level as his classmates.

> > " It will take four or five years before he can walk free in

> the

> > world

> > and (not) worry about diet or restrictions, " Slimak said. By

> > then, " they'll

> > be ready to move on with their life and never look back. "

[Guest guest]

Well, I hope no one gets " stuck down "

with lightening!!! Here are my comments:

* extreme allergies and chemical sensitivities often have

toxic metals behind them. That is, people who are mercury

toxic are usually or often the people who get " multiple

chemical sensitivities " and things like this. I think that

looking at THAT would very likely be more effective than

the clean room idea. The clean room MAY help, but I don't

see how it would help permanently. To me it seems like

it would not change any sensitivity, so when he leaves the

room, it would be same as before. But I am guessing.

* I personally have used hydrogen peroxide in many ways,

including the stuff they talked about. I don't think it

is nuts. Although how much it will help I certainly would

NOT make any claims for.

best,

Moria

> > okay, i joined a group that's located in florida just to get some

> > info regarding fl...for when we move..

> >

> > anyway, this was one of their latest posts...what is going on in

> > florida??? that kid will go crazy in that room for a year!!! the

> mom

> > (i would) will go crazy!! i understand that we all have tried

> > alternative methods but, i this just rubbed me the wrong

> way...ugh!!!!

> > it's not like we don't have $$$ issues anyway with trying to treat

> > our kids but, then we have people out there charging huge amounts

> for

> > out-of-this world therapies...double UGH!!!

> >

> > sorry, if i offend anyone...just my personal gut reaction to this

> and

> > wanted to share it with you all

> > ---------------------------------------

> > Experimental Autism Therapy Provides Hope For Family

> >

> > [by Kayley Mendenhall, Chronicle. This is presented for our

> > readers'

> > information only and should not be construed as a treatment

> > endorsement by

> > this newsletter.]

> >

> http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/06/26/news/02autism

> > bzbigs

> > ..txt

> >

> > Chip Minalga is a blonde-haired, brown-eyed, skinny 10-year-

> old

> > child

> > who loves to be chased by his older brother.

> > He wants candy he's not supposed to have and, according to

> his

> > dad,

> > dislikes going to school as much as most children his age.

> > But unlike his peers, Chip suffers from autism.

> > He can't speak, has trouble making eye contact and spends

> much

> > of his

> > time shaking his hands and wiggling his fingers near his face -- a

> > self-stimulatory behavior common among autistic people.

> > Chip has bad headaches and his mom, Pam Tate, said she knows

> he

> > is

> > frustrated by his inability to communicate.

> > " I don't know what to do, " Tate said. " You watch your kid in

> > pain all

> > the time. You just don't know what to do. "

> > Finally -- through an extreme and experimental treatment --

> > Tate feels

> > she's found hope.

> > In the next month, she and Chip will move into a specially-

> > designed

> > " clean room " in their home and live there for a year as part of a

> > program

> > devised by Slimak, an environmental toxicologist from

> Virginia.

> > The idea, Slimak said, is that autistic symptoms are caused

> by

> > the

> > body's exposure and reaction to volatile organic compounds --

> > chemicals used

> > in paints, chlorinated water and petroleum products, among other

> > things.

> > To test her theory, she began taking sick people and removing

> > their

> > exposures to the compounds one at a time.

> > " One of the things that is absolutely true is that you can

> not

> > be

> > affected by things that you are not around, " she said. " If you have

> no

> > exposure, you can not be sick by those things. "

> > Slimak has seen nearly miraculous results in 49 autistic

> > children who

> > have gone through the program.

> > Tate has researched the program, interviewed parents involved

> > and is

> > ready to invest $50,000 and a year of her life to helping her son.

> > " He can't go on like this and I can't put him in a home, " she

> > said. " I

> > think this woman has figured it out. "

> > Chip's treatment begins in the clean room, where he'll

> > basically go

> > through detox. He will live in the room for one year, and Tate will

> > spend

> > all waking hours with him.

> > They will wear 100 percent organic cotton clothing without

> > elastic or

> > zippers. And because Chip's body will be releasing toxins, Tate

> will

> > wash

> > his mouth with hydrogen peroxide every half hour and bathe him in

> it

> > every

> > 90 minutes.

> > " This all makes sense to me, " she said. " I have tried

> > everything else.

> > All the traditional treatments. "

> > Tate won't be able to work and Chip won't go to school.

> They'll

> > spend

> > every day in a bare room with an air-lock door and a high-tech

> > filtration

> > system. Chip's diet will include only exotic fruits and vegetables

> > like

> > dandelion greens and okra and meats that haven't touched plastic.

> > Jeff Minalga, Chip's dad, said he is worried the clean room

> > will be

> > too much of a lab setting for his son. But he equated the process

> to

> > an

> > alcoholic going through detox and said sometimes going " cold

> turkey "

> > is the

> > best.

> > " Initially, it sounds like a lot of involvement, " said Mike

> > ,

> > Chip's family support specialist at Family Outreach. " They haven't

> > had that

> > many kids go through it. There is always that concern about whether

> > it is

> > truly effective or not. "

> > But if all goes as planned, Chip's speech will eventually be

> > restored,

> > he'll be able to live outside of the clean room and by the time he

> > goes to

> > high school, he could be at the same level as his classmates.

> > " It will take four or five years before he can walk free in

> the

> > world

> > and (not) worry about diet or restrictions, " Slimak said. By

> > then, " they'll

> > be ready to move on with their life and never look back. "

[Guest guest]

I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it would

really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is child abuse. We

got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise program for

many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and sensory

overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a small room as

long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-overloaded kids

do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until they can better

communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the world

bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much of the time, I

assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard to distinguish

whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the clean room.

I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the children if

this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often still is quite

sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense to me that a

general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in healing but I

wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still cannot

respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this route would

have a

good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems regulate

themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it would

really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is child abuse. We

got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise program for

many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and sensory

overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a small room as

long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-overloaded kids

do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until they can better

communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the world

bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much of the time, I

assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard to distinguish

whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the clean room.

I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the children if

this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often still is quite

sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense to me that a

general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in healing but I

wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still cannot

respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this route would

have a

good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems regulate

themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

The child abuse has already been done for many of our children by us and our

doctors when the vaccines were administered at birth. This parent is

attempting to detox her child. This child most likely already lives in hell by

his

inability to communicate. If he emerges in a year with speech, he will be

happier. The specialist will be monitoring the child as he goes through the

year

long study (I would think). If every 1/2 hour becomes too much they will

probably decrease it as they will also decrease the baths (again, I would

think).

The baths will probably get the toxins off the skin before they are

reabsorbed. Some parents can take on challenging therapies and be successful

(ex:

Lorenzo's Oil).

> sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

> from Boseman, MT....

>

> i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

> child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

> looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

> this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

> want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

> with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

> year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

> open the door every now and then just to feel

> comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

> i would probably be struck by lightening!

>

[Guest guest]

The child abuse has already been done for many of our children by us and our

doctors when the vaccines were administered at birth. This parent is

attempting to detox her child. This child most likely already lives in hell by

his

inability to communicate. If he emerges in a year with speech, he will be

happier. The specialist will be monitoring the child as he goes through the

year

long study (I would think). If every 1/2 hour becomes too much they will

probably decrease it as they will also decrease the baths (again, I would

think).

The baths will probably get the toxins off the skin before they are

reabsorbed. Some parents can take on challenging therapies and be successful

(ex:

Lorenzo's Oil).

> sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

> from Boseman, MT....

>

> i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

> child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

> looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

> this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

> want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

> with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

> year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

> open the door every now and then just to feel

> comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

> i would probably be struck by lightening!

>

[Guest guest]

I agree.

In a message dated 6/26/03 11:41:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Googahly@... writes:

> I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it would

> really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is child abuse.

> We

> got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise program

> for

> many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and sensory

> overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a small

> room as

> long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-overloaded

> kids

> do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until they can

> better

> communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the world

> bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much of the

> time, I

> assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard to

> distinguish

> whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the clean room.

>

> I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the children if

> this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often still is

> quite

> sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense to me that

> a

> general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in healing but

> I

> wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still cannot

> respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this route would

> have a

> good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems regulate

>

> themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

> Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I agree.

In a message dated 6/26/03 11:41:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Googahly@... writes:

> I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it would

> really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is child abuse.

> We

> got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise program

> for

> many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and sensory

> overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a small

> room as

> long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-overloaded

> kids

> do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until they can

> better

> communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the world

> bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much of the

> time, I

> assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard to

> distinguish

> whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the clean room.

>

> I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the children if

> this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often still is

> quite

> sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense to me that

> a

> general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in healing but

> I

> wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still cannot

> respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this route would

> have a

> good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems regulate

>

> themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

> Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/27/03 1:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

jzsell@... writes:

> But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the

> child leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as

every

> NT child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So

> I'm wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the

> child will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when this

> is all over?

That's pretty much my thoughts except there are many cases where allergies

have reversed themselves permantly after a child is kept away from a substance

for a year or so. Perhaps limiting potential immune system activators would

allow the child's body's immune system to re-regulate itself.

Someone mentioned that 49 kids have done this therapy so far. Does anyone

know what the results were -- have they emerged out of the room healed and what

were the long-term results?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/27/03 1:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

jzsell@... writes:

> But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the

> child leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as

every

> NT child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So

> I'm wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the

> child will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when this

> is all over?

That's pretty much my thoughts except there are many cases where allergies

have reversed themselves permantly after a child is kept away from a substance

for a year or so. Perhaps limiting potential immune system activators would

allow the child's body's immune system to re-regulate itself.

Someone mentioned that 49 kids have done this therapy so far. Does anyone

know what the results were -- have they emerged out of the room healed and what

were the long-term results?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

While I am not condoning this type of treatment, below is a study

that was conducted on a test group of kids. (I copied this from the

list, where it was previously posted and received mostly

positive comments.) Do keep in mind, as this treatment is being

condemned as child abuse, that many consider using medications in an

off-label manner, such as SSRI's on our kids, that this can be

considered abuse as well. This parent probably believes in her

heart, as each of us do in the treatment methods that we choose for

our kids, that this is the best option at this moment in time for her

children.

Just my 2 cents...

-

Subject: Reduction of Autistic traits following Dietary Intervention

and

Elimination of Exposure to Environmental Substances / Abstract

Slimak, K. 2003

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of

exposure to environmental substances.

In Proceedings of 2003 International Symposium on Indoor Air Quality

and Health

Hazards, National Institute of Environmental Health Science, USA,and

Architectural Institute of Japan, January 8-11, 2003, Tokyo, Japan,

vol 2, pp

206-216.

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of exposure to environmental substances

M. Slimak, M.S., Principal Investigator

President, Applied Science and Technology International, Inc.

(ASTi)

______________________________________________________________________

__

Keywords:

Autism, environment, symptoms, food, exposure, obsession, behavior,

clean-room,

sniffing, breath, body fluids, molds, volatile organic

compounds

Abstract:

Effects of environmental exposure were isolated and studied in 49

autistic children. Elimination of food-related reactions entirely

allowed

effects of environmental chemicals to be thoroughly studied

indefinitely in the

absence of food-related symptoms.

Initially unaffected by social contexts, the autistic subjects acted

out the

ways they were affected by their environment without the altering

effects of

societal influences; and severity of the adverse effects made

observation and

study easier. There was a strong correlation between environmental

exposure

levels and autistic symptoms and behaviors. There appeared to be

nothing

inherently wrong with autistic children studied.

The children in the program (universal diet and clean room) returned

to normal

physically, in temperament, in awareness of surroundings and others,

in

emotions and empathy, and in ability to learn. Based on the results

of the

present study, a broad spectrum of severe and chronic autistic

symptoms appear

to be environmentally based, apparently caused by chronic exposure to

volatile

organic compounds, and appear to be fully reversible in the proper

environment.

Contact: M. Slimak

ASTi, Springfield, VA

Telephone: 703-644-0991

Fx: 703-644-1006;

______________________________________________________________________

__

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of exposure to environmental substances

M. Slimak, M.S.

President, Applied Science and Technology International, Inc.

(ASTi)

______________________________________________________________________

_

Introduction:

The present research program traces its origin back more than 20

years to an

in-house study at ASTi involving dietary intervention food trials. In

the

study, although unexpected, strong symptoms were observed and

repeatedly

associated with non-food environmental exposures. This early study was

broadened to include a study of the non-food symptoms resulting from

environmental exposures.

A second in house research effort was also begun whose goal was to

develop a

dietary approach that would fully eliminate food related symptoms so

that

symptoms associated with other environmental exposures could be

isolated and

observed for long periods of time.

An effective rotation diet of unusual tropical root crops and other

unusual

foods was developed. This diet was found to quickly eliminate food-

related

symptoms of subjects while providing optimal nourishment. The diet

has been

used successfully to study the symptom changes associated with

sequential

removal of environmental exposures over long periods of time (3-12

months per

person) in approximately 1000 individuals.

The results reported herein were possible to obtain because symptoms

caused by

diet were consistently and completely eliminated from the symptom

array in all

subjects studied (Slimak 2001, 2002).

Method:

49 children, ages 2-17 with diagnoses ranging from severe autism to

PDD were

each studied for periods ranging from 3 to 12 months. Initial

autistic and

physical symptoms and complaints were rated (0-10) and again at weekly

intervals after the subjects entered the program.

Each subject was placed on the diet described above. Three

environmental

avoidance approaches were employed to study the role of environmental

chemicals

in autistic children. In Group I (14 subjects) there was no initial

environmental avoidance; in Group II (27 subjects) there was moderate

initial

environmental avoidance, and in Group III (8 subjects) there was

complete

environmental avoidance using a clean room.

After parents of subjects in Groups I and II, began to observe and

report

symptoms associated with environmental exposures, the parents were

directed to

begin sequential removal of items associated with exposure during

weeks 3-52 of

the program. This provided the opportunity to observe the symptom

fluctuations

that occurred as environmental exposures were eliminated

sequentially.

Trained volunteers (primarily parents and other family members)

observed the

children closely between 20-60 hours weekly in the home. This made it

possible

to extend periods of time for data collection, and many additional

data points

were obtained in a naturalistic setting. In weekly meetings between

each parent

and staff, details of observations were discussed, and symptom

assessments,

environmental implementation evaluations and problem solving

assessments were

conducted. Separately, environmental exposure was rated, as a single

blind

study.

A group of 18 non-autistic children diagnosed with food allergies and

chemical

sensitivities were also studied in the program; these children also

followed

the above protocol:

Group I - 4 subjects, Group II - 10 subjects, Group III - 4 subjects.

Results:

In Groups I and II it was possible to separate symptoms associated

with foods

from symptoms associated with non-food, environmental exposures,

Table 1.

In Groups I and II, during sequential removal of items associated

with

environmental exposures, unanticipated actions were observed in the

autistic children studied. These included: 1) autistic children

Table 1.

Food-related symptoms vs. symptoms associated with environmental

exposures.

Food-related Environmental exposure-related Digestive symptoms 67%

23%

Other physical symptoms 50% 50% Neurological symptoms 15% 85% were

consistently

observed hoarding or attempting to hide scented items

2) Many cycles of reduced symptoms (following object removal) and

increased symptoms (following selection of a new item) were observed.

Fig.1

Presents results obtained for sensory sensitivity between weeks 14

and 40. The seven points at which symptoms associated with sensory

sensitivity dropped to 'zero' followed the removal of an object of

obsession or elimination of an obvious source of exposure.

Between weeks 14 and 40, the seven peaks showing increased symptoms

occurred

immediately after the child selected and began obsessing with a

new object. This pattern of symptom fluctuation was consistently

observed in Groups I and II for all symptom categories except for

muscle

weakness and low muscle tone.

To study symptom fluctuations and obsessive behaviors further,

parents

of children in Groups I and II were instructed to 1) allow their

children to continue obsessive interactions with objects without

interference, and 2) change the object to prevent exposure to

volatile

organic compounds without the child's knowledge. For example, carbon

filters were surreptitiously installed on tap water lines for

obsessive

toilet flushers; and sand was carefully cleaned for obsessive

sifters.

It was found that the children would begin to interact with the

object

as usual and then would stop within moments with a very confused,

perplexed facial expression. They would examine the object, smell it,

look at the item again, smell it again, and put the object down. This

process was repeated with decreasing frequency as the children lost

interest in the object; the behavior was spontaneously extinguished

in

time periods ranging from 1 day to 10 weeks. Table 2 presents a

partial

list of obsessive/compulsive behaviors studied. In the absence

of environmental exposures, no obsessive behavior continued in the

subjects studied.

Table 2.

Obsessive, compulsive behaviors eliminated following surreptitious

removal of

scent components.

Sifting hand washing hand wringing TV/video obsessions lining hair

smelling

face slapping door closing and shutting pica toilet flushing stick

picking up

toy smelling.

As a result of these observations, it became apparent that effects

associated with chemical exposure were much greater than initially

anticipated. The study was expanded to include a a study of a group

of

children in clean rooms (Group III).

Figure 2.

Presents the overall symptom reduction achieved by subjects on the

program. In

Groups I and II strong determined seeking behaviors

described above complicated the process and increased the time

necessary to achieve a suitably clean environment in which no

symptoms

were present.

Group III, with the reliance on a clean room, while much faster,

still did not

provide the rapid plummet of symptoms to '0' that was expected. As is

illustrated in Fig. 3, it was found that the seeking behaviors

continued in the

clean room and , finally, included resorting to use of breath and

body fluids,

when nothing else was available. This enabled the subjects to continue

exposures and reactions for several weeks longer than expected.

After a few days in the clean room, the children's sense of smell

appeared to

become particularly acute. They were observed sniffing the air and

following

micro scent plumes to a source, such as a tiny point in the wall of

the clean

room, where the seal was not intact. The children were observed

behaving as if

strongly attracted to the highly diluted tails of micro-plumes

estimated to be

100-1000 times below the ppt (part per trillion) level in the clean

rooms, and

following these micro-plumes to their more highly concentrated

source. The

children were observed returning to the point source where the hair-

thin plumes

were most highly concentrated, and sniffing briefly several times

each day.

The symptom levels increased as is shown in Fig. 3 until the areas

were sealed,

after which time the symptom levels again dropped rapidly.

After micro-plumes from pinpoint sources were eliminated, a new

problem was

observed. Children began sucking on clothing, making 'tents' of

bedding, and the like, and emerging with glassy stares, disconnected

behaviors, and again with elevated symptom levels. This was addressed

by

requiring subjects, and caregivers to switch to clothing and

materials

whose pristine nature matched the ppt and ppq levels needed. Many of

these

items have had to be developed in our program. The change to pristine

materials

was the final change necessary to eliminate the surge of symptoms

associated

with seeking behaviors that had been occurring between weeks 4-10,

Fig. 3.

After the clean rooms were sealed and materials inside the rooms were

sufficiently pristine, autistic children in the clean rooms became

frantic. The children abruptly became disinterested in objects (now

pristine) and became very interested in their bodies and body fluids.

Although obsessing with body parts and body fluids occurs in some

autistic children, this behavior was not found in the subjects prior

to

the study. For a period of several weeks the autistic children in the

clean rooms of the present study were observed consistently and

purposefully manipulating their breath and body fluids.

Although the children in the study did not try to find a way out of

the

room, the children were consistently observed trying desperately to

recreate a polluted environment in the room. In the pristine clean

room

autistic children have been routinely observed: 1) with hands to face

in

a corner, 'huffing' their own breath, 2) holding hands over mouth and

nose to trap and rebreathe breath, 3) standing on their heads to

allow

their shirts to fall over their faces and trap their breath, 4)

spreading saliva

over arms, legs, hair, body, 5) spreading saliva in thin layers over

walls,

floors, and windows, 6) urinating behind furniture where mold will

easily grow,

7)urinating on floor and running through the urine repeatedly to

spread it

thinly throughout the room, 7) spreading saliva, urine, or stool onto

wood and

any porous material available, 8) placing hands inside pants and then

wiping

hands on walls, floor or self, and 9) spreading body fluids in as

many cracks

and crevices as possible to promote mold growth. New procedures have

had to be

developed to eliminate or prevent the above-described problems. For

each child,

as soon as this final type of exposure was eliminated, the symptoms

were fully

eliminated.

Figure 4.

Compares non-food symptom levels and environmental exposure levels,

revealing a

strong predictable correlation that cannot be explained by chance

alone. For

subjects with most severe symptoms (A), adj R sq = 0.581, for

moderate (, adj

R sq = 0.385. For mild ©, adj R sq = 0.454.

The analysis of variance of the regression model shows that the

exposure levels

were a significant predictor of symptoms of the subjects studied.

Thus, there

is little doubt that the relationship of exposure levels to symptoms

is not due

to chance alone. These data reveal a convincing and predictable

pattern.

Because the regression curves cross the x-axis (B, C) or intersect at

the origin (A), the data show non-food symptoms were fully eliminated

by

eliminating the remaining environmental exposures. Because the slopes

of

A, B, and C linear regressions are essentially the same,

comprehensive

initial symptom rankings may have predictive value, particularly in

indicating early the extent of environmental cleanup that is likely

to

be necessary.

Especially for children in Group III, the older, severely autistic

group, after achieving the zero symptom level, a difference was

observed

between a) physical and behavioral recovery and emotional maturity

and educational age. The subjects tended to quickly achieve age

appropriate

physical skills, abilities and temperament coinciding with

normal health, however in terms of learned behaviors, the children

have

tended to behave as if the years they 'lost' to autism never

happened. The

subjects have been able to learn quickly, eagerly, and with apparent

ease,

beginning again from the place in time that they became autistic.

Conclusions:

The present study has described a method for long-term study of

autism

and other chronic conditions. Elimination of food-related reactions

entirely

and indefinitely allowed effects of environmental chemicals to be

thoroughly

studied without other complicating symptoms present.

Clean rooms established in homes were an important tool for

conducting long

term studies that maintained full symptom relief for 12 months and

longer through complete, sustained elimination of dietary symptoms

and

sustained elimination of environmental exposures to levels as low as

ppq. Added advantages included social contacts in comfort of home and

family, and reduced cost.

It was important to study autistic children as a group, rather than

limiting the study to an allergic subset. Autistic children proved to

be a

particularly appropriate group for research study and observation.

Initially

unaffected by social contexts, the autistic subjects acted out the

ways they

were affected by their environment without the altering effects of

societal

influences; and severity of the adverse effects made observation and

study

easier.

There appeared to be nothing inherently wrong with autistic children

studied. The children in the program (universal diet and clean room)

returned to normal physically, in temperament, in awareness of

surroundings and

others, in emotions and empathy, and in ability to

learn. The children were, however, initially deficit in learned

behaviors and

skills that must be taught; apparently in these areas they had

remained at the

level present at the time of initial diagnosis of

autism. In the present program, the autistic children demonstrated

ability to rapidly and enthusiastically learn and begin catching up.

Children began progressing through the normal stages of learning and

social development in their clean rooms. Based on the results of the

present

study, a broad spectrum of severe and chronic autistic symptoms

appear to be

environmentally based, apparently caused by chronic exposure to

volatile

organic compounds, and appear to be fully reversible in the proper

environment.

There was a strong, predictable correlation between symptom levels

and

environmental exposures. The results suggest strongly that the

autistic

condition of the children studied, was the result of chronic exposure

to

volatile organic compounds.

It is difficult to stress adequately the importance of expanding

autism

research to include research on environmental factors such as

constant

exposure to an ever-changing milieu of volatile organic

compounds.

Acknowledgements:

The author gratefully acknowledges the role of parents in this

investigation. Parents dutifully carried out detailed instructions,

and

with training became the crucially important volunteer observers,

providing tens of thousands of hours of careful observation that made

the present study possible. The author gratefully acknowledges the

assistance of Mr. Greg Zwata, who performed exposure assessments.

Funding for this study was provided by Applied Science and Technology

International, Inc., an environmental consulting and research

organization.

References:

Slimak, K. M. (2001) Effect of Removal of Low Levels of Volatile

Organic

Compounds on Severe Autistic Behaviors in Children. Conference on

Science For

the Public Good, Association for Science in the Public Interest,

Virginia

Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia.

Slimak, K. M. (2002) In 45 autistic children sharp decreases in

autistic

symptoms follow elimination of problem foods, volatile organic

compounds,

plastics, resins, and molds, Second International Conference On

Advances In

Treatment Of Autistic Spectrum Disorders, Opening Doors - New

Biological

Treatment Alternatives, Sociedad Venezolana para Niños y

Adultos Autistas (SOVENIA), Colegio de Médicos del Distrito

Metropolitano de

Caracas, Caracas, Venezuela.

> I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it

would

> really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is

child abuse. We

> got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise

program for

> many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and

sensory

> overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a

small room as

> long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-

overloaded kids

> do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until

they can better

> communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the

world

> bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much

of the time, I

> assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard

to distinguish

> whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the

clean room.

>

> I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the

children if

> this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often

still is quite

> sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense

to me that a

> general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in

healing but I

> wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still

cannot

> respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this

route would have a

> good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems

regulate

> themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

> Gaylen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

While I am not condoning this type of treatment, below is a study

that was conducted on a test group of kids. (I copied this from the

list, where it was previously posted and received mostly

positive comments.) Do keep in mind, as this treatment is being

condemned as child abuse, that many consider using medications in an

off-label manner, such as SSRI's on our kids, that this can be

considered abuse as well. This parent probably believes in her

heart, as each of us do in the treatment methods that we choose for

our kids, that this is the best option at this moment in time for her

children.

Just my 2 cents...

-

Subject: Reduction of Autistic traits following Dietary Intervention

and

Elimination of Exposure to Environmental Substances / Abstract

Slimak, K. 2003

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of

exposure to environmental substances.

In Proceedings of 2003 International Symposium on Indoor Air Quality

and Health

Hazards, National Institute of Environmental Health Science, USA,and

Architectural Institute of Japan, January 8-11, 2003, Tokyo, Japan,

vol 2, pp

206-216.

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of exposure to environmental substances

M. Slimak, M.S., Principal Investigator

President, Applied Science and Technology International, Inc.

(ASTi)

______________________________________________________________________

__

Keywords:

Autism, environment, symptoms, food, exposure, obsession, behavior,

clean-room,

sniffing, breath, body fluids, molds, volatile organic

compounds

Abstract:

Effects of environmental exposure were isolated and studied in 49

autistic children. Elimination of food-related reactions entirely

allowed

effects of environmental chemicals to be thoroughly studied

indefinitely in the

absence of food-related symptoms.

Initially unaffected by social contexts, the autistic subjects acted

out the

ways they were affected by their environment without the altering

effects of

societal influences; and severity of the adverse effects made

observation and

study easier. There was a strong correlation between environmental

exposure

levels and autistic symptoms and behaviors. There appeared to be

nothing

inherently wrong with autistic children studied.

The children in the program (universal diet and clean room) returned

to normal

physically, in temperament, in awareness of surroundings and others,

in

emotions and empathy, and in ability to learn. Based on the results

of the

present study, a broad spectrum of severe and chronic autistic

symptoms appear

to be environmentally based, apparently caused by chronic exposure to

volatile

organic compounds, and appear to be fully reversible in the proper

environment.

Contact: M. Slimak

ASTi, Springfield, VA

Telephone: 703-644-0991

Fx: 703-644-1006;

______________________________________________________________________

__

Reduction of autistic traits following dietary intervention and

elimination of exposure to environmental substances

M. Slimak, M.S.

President, Applied Science and Technology International, Inc.

(ASTi)

______________________________________________________________________

_

Introduction:

The present research program traces its origin back more than 20

years to an

in-house study at ASTi involving dietary intervention food trials. In

the

study, although unexpected, strong symptoms were observed and

repeatedly

associated with non-food environmental exposures. This early study was

broadened to include a study of the non-food symptoms resulting from

environmental exposures.

A second in house research effort was also begun whose goal was to

develop a

dietary approach that would fully eliminate food related symptoms so

that

symptoms associated with other environmental exposures could be

isolated and

observed for long periods of time.

An effective rotation diet of unusual tropical root crops and other

unusual

foods was developed. This diet was found to quickly eliminate food-

related

symptoms of subjects while providing optimal nourishment. The diet

has been

used successfully to study the symptom changes associated with

sequential

removal of environmental exposures over long periods of time (3-12

months per

person) in approximately 1000 individuals.

The results reported herein were possible to obtain because symptoms

caused by

diet were consistently and completely eliminated from the symptom

array in all

subjects studied (Slimak 2001, 2002).

Method:

49 children, ages 2-17 with diagnoses ranging from severe autism to

PDD were

each studied for periods ranging from 3 to 12 months. Initial

autistic and

physical symptoms and complaints were rated (0-10) and again at weekly

intervals after the subjects entered the program.

Each subject was placed on the diet described above. Three

environmental

avoidance approaches were employed to study the role of environmental

chemicals

in autistic children. In Group I (14 subjects) there was no initial

environmental avoidance; in Group II (27 subjects) there was moderate

initial

environmental avoidance, and in Group III (8 subjects) there was

complete

environmental avoidance using a clean room.

After parents of subjects in Groups I and II, began to observe and

report

symptoms associated with environmental exposures, the parents were

directed to

begin sequential removal of items associated with exposure during

weeks 3-52 of

the program. This provided the opportunity to observe the symptom

fluctuations

that occurred as environmental exposures were eliminated

sequentially.

Trained volunteers (primarily parents and other family members)

observed the

children closely between 20-60 hours weekly in the home. This made it

possible

to extend periods of time for data collection, and many additional

data points

were obtained in a naturalistic setting. In weekly meetings between

each parent

and staff, details of observations were discussed, and symptom

assessments,

environmental implementation evaluations and problem solving

assessments were

conducted. Separately, environmental exposure was rated, as a single

blind

study.

A group of 18 non-autistic children diagnosed with food allergies and

chemical

sensitivities were also studied in the program; these children also

followed

the above protocol:

Group I - 4 subjects, Group II - 10 subjects, Group III - 4 subjects.

Results:

In Groups I and II it was possible to separate symptoms associated

with foods

from symptoms associated with non-food, environmental exposures,

Table 1.

In Groups I and II, during sequential removal of items associated

with

environmental exposures, unanticipated actions were observed in the

autistic children studied. These included: 1) autistic children

Table 1.

Food-related symptoms vs. symptoms associated with environmental

exposures.

Food-related Environmental exposure-related Digestive symptoms 67%

23%

Other physical symptoms 50% 50% Neurological symptoms 15% 85% were

consistently

observed hoarding or attempting to hide scented items

2) Many cycles of reduced symptoms (following object removal) and

increased symptoms (following selection of a new item) were observed.

Fig.1

Presents results obtained for sensory sensitivity between weeks 14

and 40. The seven points at which symptoms associated with sensory

sensitivity dropped to 'zero' followed the removal of an object of

obsession or elimination of an obvious source of exposure.

Between weeks 14 and 40, the seven peaks showing increased symptoms

occurred

immediately after the child selected and began obsessing with a

new object. This pattern of symptom fluctuation was consistently

observed in Groups I and II for all symptom categories except for

muscle

weakness and low muscle tone.

To study symptom fluctuations and obsessive behaviors further,

parents

of children in Groups I and II were instructed to 1) allow their

children to continue obsessive interactions with objects without

interference, and 2) change the object to prevent exposure to

volatile

organic compounds without the child's knowledge. For example, carbon

filters were surreptitiously installed on tap water lines for

obsessive

toilet flushers; and sand was carefully cleaned for obsessive

sifters.

It was found that the children would begin to interact with the

object

as usual and then would stop within moments with a very confused,

perplexed facial expression. They would examine the object, smell it,

look at the item again, smell it again, and put the object down. This

process was repeated with decreasing frequency as the children lost

interest in the object; the behavior was spontaneously extinguished

in

time periods ranging from 1 day to 10 weeks. Table 2 presents a

partial

list of obsessive/compulsive behaviors studied. In the absence

of environmental exposures, no obsessive behavior continued in the

subjects studied.

Table 2.

Obsessive, compulsive behaviors eliminated following surreptitious

removal of

scent components.

Sifting hand washing hand wringing TV/video obsessions lining hair

smelling

face slapping door closing and shutting pica toilet flushing stick

picking up

toy smelling.

As a result of these observations, it became apparent that effects

associated with chemical exposure were much greater than initially

anticipated. The study was expanded to include a a study of a group

of

children in clean rooms (Group III).

Figure 2.

Presents the overall symptom reduction achieved by subjects on the

program. In

Groups I and II strong determined seeking behaviors

described above complicated the process and increased the time

necessary to achieve a suitably clean environment in which no

symptoms

were present.

Group III, with the reliance on a clean room, while much faster,

still did not

provide the rapid plummet of symptoms to '0' that was expected. As is

illustrated in Fig. 3, it was found that the seeking behaviors

continued in the

clean room and , finally, included resorting to use of breath and

body fluids,

when nothing else was available. This enabled the subjects to continue

exposures and reactions for several weeks longer than expected.

After a few days in the clean room, the children's sense of smell

appeared to

become particularly acute. They were observed sniffing the air and

following

micro scent plumes to a source, such as a tiny point in the wall of

the clean

room, where the seal was not intact. The children were observed

behaving as if

strongly attracted to the highly diluted tails of micro-plumes

estimated to be

100-1000 times below the ppt (part per trillion) level in the clean

rooms, and

following these micro-plumes to their more highly concentrated

source. The

children were observed returning to the point source where the hair-

thin plumes

were most highly concentrated, and sniffing briefly several times

each day.

The symptom levels increased as is shown in Fig. 3 until the areas

were sealed,

after which time the symptom levels again dropped rapidly.

After micro-plumes from pinpoint sources were eliminated, a new

problem was

observed. Children began sucking on clothing, making 'tents' of

bedding, and the like, and emerging with glassy stares, disconnected

behaviors, and again with elevated symptom levels. This was addressed

by

requiring subjects, and caregivers to switch to clothing and

materials

whose pristine nature matched the ppt and ppq levels needed. Many of

these

items have had to be developed in our program. The change to pristine

materials

was the final change necessary to eliminate the surge of symptoms

associated

with seeking behaviors that had been occurring between weeks 4-10,

Fig. 3.

After the clean rooms were sealed and materials inside the rooms were

sufficiently pristine, autistic children in the clean rooms became

frantic. The children abruptly became disinterested in objects (now

pristine) and became very interested in their bodies and body fluids.

Although obsessing with body parts and body fluids occurs in some

autistic children, this behavior was not found in the subjects prior

to

the study. For a period of several weeks the autistic children in the

clean rooms of the present study were observed consistently and

purposefully manipulating their breath and body fluids.

Although the children in the study did not try to find a way out of

the

room, the children were consistently observed trying desperately to

recreate a polluted environment in the room. In the pristine clean

room

autistic children have been routinely observed: 1) with hands to face

in

a corner, 'huffing' their own breath, 2) holding hands over mouth and

nose to trap and rebreathe breath, 3) standing on their heads to

allow

their shirts to fall over their faces and trap their breath, 4)

spreading saliva

over arms, legs, hair, body, 5) spreading saliva in thin layers over

walls,

floors, and windows, 6) urinating behind furniture where mold will

easily grow,

7)urinating on floor and running through the urine repeatedly to

spread it

thinly throughout the room, 7) spreading saliva, urine, or stool onto

wood and

any porous material available, 8) placing hands inside pants and then

wiping

hands on walls, floor or self, and 9) spreading body fluids in as

many cracks

and crevices as possible to promote mold growth. New procedures have

had to be

developed to eliminate or prevent the above-described problems. For

each child,

as soon as this final type of exposure was eliminated, the symptoms

were fully

eliminated.

Figure 4.

Compares non-food symptom levels and environmental exposure levels,

revealing a

strong predictable correlation that cannot be explained by chance

alone. For

subjects with most severe symptoms (A), adj R sq = 0.581, for

moderate (, adj

R sq = 0.385. For mild ©, adj R sq = 0.454.

The analysis of variance of the regression model shows that the

exposure levels

were a significant predictor of symptoms of the subjects studied.

Thus, there

is little doubt that the relationship of exposure levels to symptoms

is not due

to chance alone. These data reveal a convincing and predictable

pattern.

Because the regression curves cross the x-axis (B, C) or intersect at

the origin (A), the data show non-food symptoms were fully eliminated

by

eliminating the remaining environmental exposures. Because the slopes

of

A, B, and C linear regressions are essentially the same,

comprehensive

initial symptom rankings may have predictive value, particularly in

indicating early the extent of environmental cleanup that is likely

to

be necessary.

Especially for children in Group III, the older, severely autistic

group, after achieving the zero symptom level, a difference was

observed

between a) physical and behavioral recovery and emotional maturity

and educational age. The subjects tended to quickly achieve age

appropriate

physical skills, abilities and temperament coinciding with

normal health, however in terms of learned behaviors, the children

have

tended to behave as if the years they 'lost' to autism never

happened. The

subjects have been able to learn quickly, eagerly, and with apparent

ease,

beginning again from the place in time that they became autistic.

Conclusions:

The present study has described a method for long-term study of

autism

and other chronic conditions. Elimination of food-related reactions

entirely

and indefinitely allowed effects of environmental chemicals to be

thoroughly

studied without other complicating symptoms present.

Clean rooms established in homes were an important tool for

conducting long

term studies that maintained full symptom relief for 12 months and

longer through complete, sustained elimination of dietary symptoms

and

sustained elimination of environmental exposures to levels as low as

ppq. Added advantages included social contacts in comfort of home and

family, and reduced cost.

It was important to study autistic children as a group, rather than

limiting the study to an allergic subset. Autistic children proved to

be a

particularly appropriate group for research study and observation.

Initially

unaffected by social contexts, the autistic subjects acted out the

ways they

were affected by their environment without the altering effects of

societal

influences; and severity of the adverse effects made observation and

study

easier.

There appeared to be nothing inherently wrong with autistic children

studied. The children in the program (universal diet and clean room)

returned to normal physically, in temperament, in awareness of

surroundings and

others, in emotions and empathy, and in ability to

learn. The children were, however, initially deficit in learned

behaviors and

skills that must be taught; apparently in these areas they had

remained at the

level present at the time of initial diagnosis of

autism. In the present program, the autistic children demonstrated

ability to rapidly and enthusiastically learn and begin catching up.

Children began progressing through the normal stages of learning and

social development in their clean rooms. Based on the results of the

present

study, a broad spectrum of severe and chronic autistic symptoms

appear to be

environmentally based, apparently caused by chronic exposure to

volatile

organic compounds, and appear to be fully reversible in the proper

environment.

There was a strong, predictable correlation between symptom levels

and

environmental exposures. The results suggest strongly that the

autistic

condition of the children studied, was the result of chronic exposure

to

volatile organic compounds.

It is difficult to stress adequately the importance of expanding

autism

research to include research on environmental factors such as

constant

exposure to an ever-changing milieu of volatile organic

compounds.

Acknowledgements:

The author gratefully acknowledges the role of parents in this

investigation. Parents dutifully carried out detailed instructions,

and

with training became the crucially important volunteer observers,

providing tens of thousands of hours of careful observation that made

the present study possible. The author gratefully acknowledges the

assistance of Mr. Greg Zwata, who performed exposure assessments.

Funding for this study was provided by Applied Science and Technology

International, Inc., an environmental consulting and research

organization.

References:

Slimak, K. M. (2001) Effect of Removal of Low Levels of Volatile

Organic

Compounds on Severe Autistic Behaviors in Children. Conference on

Science For

the Public Good, Association for Science in the Public Interest,

Virginia

Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia.

Slimak, K. M. (2002) In 45 autistic children sharp decreases in

autistic

symptoms follow elimination of problem foods, volatile organic

compounds,

plastics, resins, and molds, Second International Conference On

Advances In

Treatment Of Autistic Spectrum Disorders, Opening Doors - New

Biological

Treatment Alternatives, Sociedad Venezolana para Niños y

Adultos Autistas (SOVENIA), Colegio de Médicos del Distrito

Metropolitano de

Caracas, Caracas, Venezuela.

> I agree this sounds extremely drastic and I have big doubts that it

would

> really create a lasting difference, but I do not believe it is

child abuse. We

> got some comments like that early on when we chose to do a Son-Rise

program for

> many hours a day in one room designed to limit distractions and

sensory

> overload. A child can do fine and progress quite wonderfully in a

small room as

> long as good stimulation is provided. In fact, many sensorily-

overloaded kids

> do quite well when removed from the real world for awhile until

they can better

> communicate and handle the enormous onslought of sensations the

world

> bombards them with. Since the mother will be with the child much

of the time, I

> assume she'll be working 1:1 with him. But then it would be hard

to distinguish

> whether the progress is coming from intensive attention or the

clean room.

>

> I would find it very interesting to see what happens with the

children if

> this is used with many. Having a child who used to be and often

still is quite

> sensative to chemicals and allergens in the world, it makes sense

to me that a

> general detox and clean room environment may play a huge role in

healing but I

> wonder if the effect would be lasting if the child's body still

cannot

> respond properly to chemicals. I hope any parents choosing this

route would have a

> good doctor working with them to help the children's immune systems

regulate

> themselves better so when they are re-exposed, they don't crash.

> Gaylen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the child

leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as every NT

child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So I'm

wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the child

will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when this is all

over? a

Re: Re: " clean room " therapy...what in the

world???

The child abuse has already been done for many of our children by us and our

doctors when the vaccines were administered at birth. This parent is

attempting to detox her child. This child most likely already lives in hell

by his

inability to communicate. If he emerges in a year with speech, he will be

happier. The specialist will be monitoring the child as he goes through the

year

long study (I would think). If every 1/2 hour becomes too much they will

probably decrease it as they will also decrease the baths (again, I would

think).

The baths will probably get the toxins off the skin before they are

reabsorbed. Some parents can take on challenging therapies and be successful

(ex:

Lorenzo's Oil).

> sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

> from Boseman, MT....

>

> i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

> child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

> looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

> this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

> want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

> with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

> year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

> open the door every now and then just to feel

> comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

> i would probably be struck by lightening!

>

[Guest guest]

But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the child

leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as every NT

child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So I'm

wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the child

will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when this is all

over? a

Re: Re: " clean room " therapy...what in the

world???

The child abuse has already been done for many of our children by us and our

doctors when the vaccines were administered at birth. This parent is

attempting to detox her child. This child most likely already lives in hell

by his

inability to communicate. If he emerges in a year with speech, he will be

happier. The specialist will be monitoring the child as he goes through the

year

long study (I would think). If every 1/2 hour becomes too much they will

probably decrease it as they will also decrease the baths (again, I would

think).

The baths will probably get the toxins off the skin before they are

reabsorbed. Some parents can take on challenging therapies and be successful

(ex:

Lorenzo's Oil).

> sorry, after further research i have found that this article came

> from Boseman, MT....

>

> i am completely ticked off!!! the boseman chronicle is promoting

> child abuse by printing this article...my mother-in-law and i are

> looking into the childs' rights...does anyone agree out there that

> this is child abuse?? if you disagree; please let me know..i don't

> want to take the parents to the stake but, come on!! what is wrong

> with us when we want to lock our child up in an inclosed room for a

> year!!! my son couldn't take that for a couple of hours..he has to

> open the door every now and then just to feel

> comfortable...UGH!!!!!!!!!! if i could say what i really want to say;

> i would probably be struck by lightening!

>

[Guest guest]

well i will reply to this,

i am a mother that loves her child and i would do what it takes for my

child to have a normal life. no matter what others think,

oppinions are like the anus entry , everyone has one.

Furthermore, i have a child that does nothing but stay in his room and wont

come out , wont include me in his world and it dont bother him one bit to

stay in that room , but it buggs the heck out of me.

i have tried most things known to man to get him out of his room and he is

jusat not interested. so i guess i am on the opposite end of the autism

spectrum end

autism varies in so many degrees.

i feel so much for the parents who have the kids that never stop i have

been there with joe, i dont know what changed it alll i guess it was alll my

praying

but now i cant get him to come out or even talk to me half the time.

so can agree with both sides of the fence, but as a mom, i would do what it

takes to help my child..... point blank

terri

mom of joe & chris

[Guest guest]

well i will reply to this,

i am a mother that loves her child and i would do what it takes for my

child to have a normal life. no matter what others think,

oppinions are like the anus entry , everyone has one.

Furthermore, i have a child that does nothing but stay in his room and wont

come out , wont include me in his world and it dont bother him one bit to

stay in that room , but it buggs the heck out of me.

i have tried most things known to man to get him out of his room and he is

jusat not interested. so i guess i am on the opposite end of the autism

spectrum end

autism varies in so many degrees.

i feel so much for the parents who have the kids that never stop i have

been there with joe, i dont know what changed it alll i guess it was alll my

praying

but now i cant get him to come out or even talk to me half the time.

so can agree with both sides of the fence, but as a mom, i would do what it

takes to help my child..... point blank

terri

mom of joe & chris

[Guest guest]

u all wouldnt go crazy, u would love you & your child even more.

i live in a very small apartment for a reason it keeps us close and in eye

view,

and i wont move because it could become more problems, with more space.

so a small setting is good most of the time, now the food eating would

drive him mad but anyone that gets hungry will eat.

fruits & vegetables were always the best known food to man years and e-ons

ago

terri

mom of joe & chris

[Guest guest]

u all wouldnt go crazy, u would love you & your child even more.

i live in a very small apartment for a reason it keeps us close and in eye

view,

and i wont move because it could become more problems, with more space.

so a small setting is good most of the time, now the food eating would

drive him mad but anyone that gets hungry will eat.

fruits & vegetables were always the best known food to man years and e-ons

ago

terri

mom of joe & chris

[Guest guest]

a,

Unless the parents have given a more detailed interview, I don't know what

they think will happen after their one year stay. I would think they are

lightening up the toxin load with the goal of activating the systems own detox

which

will be able to handle the daily toxins once the room is left. The person

heading this project must have an idea what will happen once they rejoin us in

this polluted world (but then again, if we are still being vaccinated with

toxins while the CDC, FDA and all those other agencies just stand by, maybe

not).

I also would like to know how the other 49 are doing.

During my son's Lovaas Therapy, there were days that he was in therapy for 6

to 8 hours. He functioned better if he was actively engaged because if he

wasn't he'd stim (sp) the 8 hours plus more. The Ph.D. didn't seem to think

this

was abuse and perhaps that was because during the 8 hours he was engaged by

two separate therapist.

Can someone tell me if the room can be abandoned if it becomes difficult? If

yes, then I just don't think it is child abuse.

I also agree with Terri because there was a time when my son was content to

stay in his room 24/7.

> In a message dated 6/27/03 1:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

> jzsell@... writes:

>

> >But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the

> >child leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as

> every

> >NT child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So

>

> >I'm wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the

>

> >child will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when

> this

> >is all over?

>

> That's pretty much my thoughts except there are many cases where allergies

> have reversed themselves permantly after a child is kept away from a

> substance

> for a year or so. Perhaps limiting potential immune system activators would

>

> allow the child's body's immune system to re-regulate itself.

>

> Someone mentioned that 49 kids have done this therapy so far. Does anyone

> know what the results were -- have they emerged out of the room healed and

> what

> were the long-term results?

> Gaylen

[Guest guest]

a,

Unless the parents have given a more detailed interview, I don't know what

they think will happen after their one year stay. I would think they are

lightening up the toxin load with the goal of activating the systems own detox

which

will be able to handle the daily toxins once the room is left. The person

heading this project must have an idea what will happen once they rejoin us in

this polluted world (but then again, if we are still being vaccinated with

toxins while the CDC, FDA and all those other agencies just stand by, maybe

not).

I also would like to know how the other 49 are doing.

During my son's Lovaas Therapy, there were days that he was in therapy for 6

to 8 hours. He functioned better if he was actively engaged because if he

wasn't he'd stim (sp) the 8 hours plus more. The Ph.D. didn't seem to think

this

was abuse and perhaps that was because during the 8 hours he was engaged by

two separate therapist.

Can someone tell me if the room can be abandoned if it becomes difficult? If

yes, then I just don't think it is child abuse.

I also agree with Terri because there was a time when my son was content to

stay in his room 24/7.

> In a message dated 6/27/03 1:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

> jzsell@... writes:

>

> >But then what will they do to keep the toxins from returning after the

> >child leaves the " clean room " ? Our kids are exposed to the same toxins as

> every

> >NT child but our children are not able to detoxify the way NT kids can. So

>

> >I'm wondering, are they doing all this for nothing since I would assume the

>

> >child will still have the inability to detox(MT protein dysfunction) when

> this

> >is all over?

>

> That's pretty much my thoughts except there are many cases where allergies

> have reversed themselves permantly after a child is kept away from a

> substance

> for a year or so. Perhaps limiting potential immune system activators would

>

> allow the child's body's immune system to re-regulate itself.

>

> Someone mentioned that 49 kids have done this therapy so far. Does anyone

> know what the results were -- have they emerged out of the room healed and

> what

> were the long-term results?

> Gaylen