Re: Well folks, I'm depressed.

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>Tom: "I myself feel like I am incapable of getting the support I need even though many of you have often provided it."We're here for you Tom.>"I don't know what to do anymore."Well, keep talking to us for sure. As any of us has similar experiences, I'm sure we'll respond.>"Some has to do with loneliness."Feel the love we have for you.>"Do any of you folks feel like you don't fit in ANYWHERE?"Sometimes! This is a pretty normal feeling for most people at times......>"Doesn't it just fill you up with despair? Do any of you ever feel hopeless?Not me. Remember the myth of Pandora, She is despised for loosing all the ills of the world, and almost forgotten for saving hope for mankind. Hope is the dream for a better everything. We have to live with the 'ills', but we still have hope. It is the light glimmering in the distance, at the end of the tunnel. It is in you now. It is the vision you have of a better world.   Rainbow

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Marilia, in answer to your comments...

You asked:

" What you do not find to be the case? "

In reference to this...

" but when you transform yourself into a flower...and rests there,

simply being, butterflies will come to you. "

I replied...

" I have found that NOT to be the case. I set up these forums and the

majority of the people who are here are the ones I invited. "

You said..

" Well, I was not invited. What didi you mean when you said the

majority were invited? "

yes they were. The origonal 40 I invited over from Aspergia and I

have invited roughly 150 of the remainder of our membership. Since

I have stopped inviting people, our membership has stayed relatively

stable at 255. This implies that people are not " drawn " to this

site. Most have stated they saw a link to it somewhere and that is

how they found us. No one has yet said " I was drawn to this site. "

First I think we are all capable to deal with the things life gave

us. Sooner or later we will all end up learning how to cope with our

weak points, how to live with them, how to strengthen our strong

points and how to change the weak ones into advantages.

I do believe we should not expect from PEOPLE the things we

need...we should expect it from the UNSEEN...give IT the name you

like...and the rest will be given to you.

If you need love, expect it from HIM, and then you will feel happy

and fulfilled and then people will turn to you, like that thing that

when you run after butterfiles they run from you...but when you

transform yourself into a flower...and rests there, simply being,

butterflies will come to you.

That's why I said...

" Realistically, the discriminating Aspie will not be able to tell

one forum from another, and I very much doubt that they came here

because they had a " feeling " about it. "

Tom

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,

I look at the pictures you post. Do you know why? Because you tend to

observe the same things I observe, and in the same way. I find it

interesting. I have taken similar pictures.

I've read the first story you've posted but have not had time for the

rest due to being busy on other projects.

The main thing that bothers me is that I try to make so much of an

effort for certain causes and no one else can or will help or even

understands what I am doing or why. It really bothers me. People

cannot see the forest for the trees sometimes.

It's like these articles you post. I feel a twinge of angst over

what's happening in the world. But does anyone else seem to care? Do

we hear loads of people posting to this forum about what a travejsty

it is to allow the F-word in class for example?

No.

Enough said.

Tom

Tom,

I can understand this. I've been a bit depressed that it seems that no

one seems to have read the stories I posted or looked at the pictures

I took and posted. There was also little response about the

hurricanes, which is something that concerns me.

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Not this time.

it's been cumulative over a three year period.

But thanks for the sentiment.

Tom

This, too will pass.

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This post reminded me of the play " Our Town, " which I

just read last week. The line that sticks out for me is,

" Do people ever realize life while they live it - every,

every minute? "

We hardly ever do. Many of us never realize life at all.

So many people don't realize how good they have it

because they're wrapped up in activities that are or

prove to be meaningless. We're all really too busy to

just sit and notice the other persons and what is

happening to them, or all the good things they really

have going in their lives.

This happens to me every single day. I need to remember

more the good things I have. It wasn't always this way.

> ,

>

> I look at the pictures you post. Do you know why? Because you tend to

> observe the same things I observe, and in the same way. I find it

> interesting. I have taken similar pictures.

>

> I've read the first story you've posted but have not had time for the

> rest due to being busy on other projects.

>

> The main thing that bothers me is that I try to make so much of an

> effort for certain causes and no one else can or will help or even

> understands what I am doing or why. It really bothers me. People

> cannot see the forest for the trees sometimes.

>

> It's like these articles you post. I feel a twinge of angst over

> what's happening in the world. But does anyone else seem to care? Do

> we hear loads of people posting to this forum about what a travejsty

> it is to allow the F-word in class for example?

>

> No.

>

> Enough said.

>

> Tom

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>Tom: "But does anyone else seem to care? Do we hear loads of people posting to this forum about what a travejsty it is to allow the F-word in class for example?"I'm sure we ALL have feelings, care. Real life means we have to be selective about where we choose to put our energies. Personally I have very little time/energy to spend on how teenagers address their teachers in another country. It brings to mind how shocked we all were about the Beatles long hair. Whatever we felt/cared at the time things changed. It's the nature of the universe, in fact change IS the only constant. There have always been things that shocked, then they became ordinary, perhaps even a fad. Maintaining the status quo is futile, you will be absorbed.  Rainbow

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The world is depressing. There will never be a perfect lock with

another person. But a non-zero number of thinking people with the

common ground of aspieness who want to fit on a basis of mutual

fairness, and who live in the era both of aspies and of the web which

were both unknown only 11 years ago,

is cause for a halo of positivity against the world.

and yes I'm religious too, though aomnitheist.

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The world is depressing. There will never be a perfect lock with

another person. But a non-zero number of thinking people with the

common ground of aspieness who want to fit on a basis of mutual

fairness, and who live in the era both of aspies and of the web which

were both unknown only 11 years ago,

is cause for a halo of positivity against the world.

and yes I'm religious too, though aomnitheist.

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Been drawn to this site? - MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - wait a min' - when

Aspergia closed down I was in shock - and all these different boards

were springing up everywhere - this one was both pointed out to me

(not invited, I don't think?) and also I was drawn to it yes because

I recognised names and the name Zoo-ologist(sp?) - it was familiar. I

joined this board - I also joined some of the others and checked them

out.

What kept me coming back to this board? Well it may not have been as

fancy as some of the other boards - or even in a format that I was

used to - but the content outweighed any of that and the structure -

the set up - the beliefs and ideals that these boards are based on

have really made it feel like home for me - I have felt accepted and

it does feel like a family. I have become fond of people here and

would miss them deeply. Everyone here has different

characters/personalities that make up the whole - you are familiar to

me and I love you all for different reasons.

So in answer to the question - yes I was drawn to these boards and I

am continually drawn to them on a daily basis - as much as RL will

permit anyway - this place really does feel like home :-)

> Marilia, in answer to your comments...

>

> You asked:

>

> " What you do not find to be the case? "

>

> In reference to this...

>

> " but when you transform yourself into a flower...and rests there,

> simply being, butterflies will come to you. "

>

> I replied...

>

> " I have found that NOT to be the case. I set up these forums and

the

> majority of the people who are here are the ones I invited. "

>

> You said..

>

> " Well, I was not invited. What didi you mean when you said the

> majority were invited? "

>

> yes they were. The origonal 40 I invited over from Aspergia and I

> have invited roughly 150 of the remainder of our membership. Since

> I have stopped inviting people, our membership has stayed

relatively

> stable at 255. This implies that people are not " drawn " to this

> site. Most have stated they saw a link to it somewhere and that is

> how they found us. No one has yet said " I was drawn to this site. "

>

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>caltrec10: "I need to remember more the good things I have." And, Tom, the good person you really are!  Rainbow

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Well as I've said before I do really like your photographs -

especially the squirels :-) As for stories I have limited time and

cannot read everything and find it hard/a struggle just keeping up

with posts and cannot respond to everything.

" Do we hear loads of people posting to this forum about what a

travejsty it is to allow the F-word in class for example? "

I am afraid I have not even had chance to read the post to which you

are referring to yet.

>

> Tom,

>

> I can understand this. I've been a bit depressed that it seems that

no

> one seems to have read the stories I posted or looked at the

pictures

> I took and posted. There was also little response about the

> hurricanes, which is something that concerns me.

>

>

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>Maurice: "But a non-zero number of thinking people with the common ground of aspieness who want to fit on a basis of mutual fairness, and who live in the era both of aspies and of the web which were both unknown only 11 years ago, is cause for a halo of positivity against the world."Hear! Hear!  Rainbow

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Well, I haven´t checked the www.answers.com yet, so am not sure what to be drawn to somehting means. Perhaps be atracted? Addicted? Enthusiastic?

I was atracted to this list because someone in aspergia said many folks have continued what he had iniciated...the reason I came to this one only I am not sure. Maybe I found it more appealing, and it reached what I wanted...like, when I read the description it kind of fit what I was looking for.

Well, I do not know exactly...but I have written some friends about this lists, both types, the ones I find to be aspies, and some others that are not. And I feel them what I have said here? I have been to many lists but this one is the one I found with most interesting topics and many people here seem to like to talk.

So, good things I find here: people are interesting, sometimes you find interesting themes, some times you find support and sometimes you learn things.

Things I find amusing: sometimes aspies seem to make interesting mistakes too, like, one cannot be clear about something, or can misinterpret things, and can not be clear. I have found this in many or maybe everyone, even myself...I mean, what I find different from other nt is that it seems to me that people here are very inteligente to make these mistakes, but sometiems they do.

One point that I find interesting too is that people here are not simply focused in seeing things one way, just because is their point of view, as many nt seem to be...the ones here are more open to change their minds since they understand other view.

One thing am not sure I find good or bad here is the tendency to divide the world into two categories, aspies and non aspies, and try to find the great points of being an aspie and bad things. I think we all are people and we all face challenges, losses, affections, difficulties, etc. They are not aspien privilege.

Well, back to the word drawn, which of its sense you guys meant?

"drawn (drôn) v.

Past participle of draw.adj.

Haggard, as from fatigue or ill health: a wan, drawn face.

Thesaurus drawn

adjectivePhysically haggard: cadaverous, emaciated, gaunt, shrunken, skeletal, wasted. Idioms: skin and bones. See better/worse, tired/fresh.Pale and exhausted, as because of worry or sleeplessness: careworn, gaunt, haggard, hollow-eyed, wan, worn. See tired/fresh.

WordNet Note: click on a word meaning below to see its connections and related words.

The adjective drawn has 5 meanings:

Meaning #1: showing the wearing effects of overwork or care or suffering Synonyms: careworn, haggard, raddled, worn

Meaning #2: subjected to great tension; stretched tight Synonym: taut

Meaning #3: represented in a drawing

Meaning #4: having the curtains or draperies closed or pulled shut

Meaning #5: (of vehicles) pulled forward (often used in combination Participle of verb: draw (meaning #1)"

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Well, unfortunately, the quote doesn't say that it will pass quickly!

But then, maybe the next stage of happiness will stick around as well.

Remember, Job was stricken for 7 years with troubles before he was

finally given a break! But I know how you feel when that dark cloud

settles in for a good long stay. Jung was fond of saying of troubles

" Not out, but through! " . It can be a long way to the other side, but I

hope you make it. Find it in yourself, with a little help from your

friends.

>

> This, too will pass.

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I was originally drawn here because I was interested in Tom. ;-) Then I

realized that it was a really nice and snug place to have more intimate &

interesting conversation in than the public boards with all the fancy

technical gadgets.

I absolutely believe what Marilia said about a certain type of people being

attracted to a certain type of forum (I've said that to Tom many times in

private). Even though many come because they were specifically invited or

saw a link somewhere, not everyone who is invited or sees a link decides to

join - only those who feel drawn/attracted to the type of environment Tom

has created, and to which we all contribute here.

Inger

Re: Well folks, I'm depressed.

Been drawn to this site? - MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - wait a min' - when

Aspergia closed down I was in shock - and all these different boards

were springing up everywhere - this one was both pointed out to me

(not invited, I don't think?) and also I was drawn to it yes because

I recognised names and the name Zoo-ologist(sp?) - it was familiar. I

joined this board - I also joined some of the others and checked them

out.

What kept me coming back to this board? Well it may not have been as

fancy as some of the other boards - or even in a format that I was

used to - but the content outweighed any of that and the structure -

the set up - the beliefs and ideals that these boards are based on

have really made it feel like home for me - I have felt accepted and

it does feel like a family. I have become fond of people here and

would miss them deeply. Everyone here has different

characters/personalities that make up the whole - you are familiar to

me and I love you all for different reasons.

So in answer to the question - yes I was drawn to these boards and I

am continually drawn to them on a daily basis - as much as RL will

permit anyway - this place really does feel like home :-)

> Marilia, in answer to your comments...

>

> You asked:

>

> " What you do not find to be the case? "

>

> In reference to this...

>

> " but when you transform yourself into a flower...and rests there,

> simply being, butterflies will come to you. "

>

> I replied...

>

> " I have found that NOT to be the case. I set up these forums and

the

> majority of the people who are here are the ones I invited. "

>

> You said..

>

> " Well, I was not invited. What didi you mean when you said the

> majority were invited? "

>

> yes they were. The origonal 40 I invited over from Aspergia and I

> have invited roughly 150 of the remainder of our membership. Since

> I have stopped inviting people, our membership has stayed

relatively

> stable at 255. This implies that people are not " drawn " to this

> site. Most have stated they saw a link to it somewhere and that is

> how they found us. No one has yet said " I was drawn to this site. "

>

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

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Drawn in the sense that I am using it means " attracted to. "

Meaning #5: (of vehicles) pulled forward (often used in combination

Participle of verb: draw (meaning #1) "