Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

[Guest guest]

That sounds like they are talkinga bout classic autism, not AS. I do disagree with their statement that autistics don't suffer from intolerance. We do indeed.

[Guest guest]

, thanks for the link. That's really appalling! :-o I certainly don't have a "very serious disease of the brain"!

The last site you posted I just thought rather tasteless, but this one upset me for real!

I see this site as a much bigger threat. If they won't listen to serious advocates like Dawson, I'm chilled to think what might happen when they come across the really militant, inexperienced ones.

Inger

Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

http://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/

Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN

for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a

culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.

Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against

the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they

find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.

Tom

Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

http://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/

Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

How about sites that ban people like you - and now me - for asking a simple question?

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

How about sites that ban people like you - and now me - for asking a simple question?

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

Controllers, manipulators and social dictators...

Groups that do such things won't be around along or will not be respected.

Someone spammed my board this morning and I didnt even ban them..Inger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote:

How about sites that ban people like you - and now me - for asking a simple question?

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

Controllers, manipulators and social dictators...

Groups that do such things won't be around along or will not be respected.

Someone spammed my board this morning and I didnt even ban them..Inger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote:

How about sites that ban people like you - and now me - for asking a simple question?

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

What is considered off the deep end though?

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.Right now, the people responsible for this site are speaking against the more serious people in the Aspie community. But wait until they find out about the ones that are already off the deep end.TomAutism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culturehttp://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

[Guest guest]

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

(PC didn’t like my grammar for the second sentence.)

Inger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote:

, thanks for the link. That's really appalling! :-o I certainly don't have a "very serious disease of the brain"!

The last site you posted I just thought rather tasteless, but this one upset me for real!

I see this site as a much bigger threat. If they won't listen to serious advocates like Dawson, I'm chilled to think what might happen when they come across the really militant, inexperienced ones.

Inger

[Guest guest]

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

(PC didn’t like my grammar for the second sentence.)

Inger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote:

, thanks for the link. That's really appalling! :-o I certainly don't have a "very serious disease of the brain"!

The last site you posted I just thought rather tasteless, but this one upset me for real!

I see this site as a much bigger threat. If they won't listen to serious advocates like Dawson, I'm chilled to think what might happen when they come across the really militant, inexperienced ones.

Inger

[Guest guest]

MYTH, Autism / Asperger is a disease

FACT, The World Health Organisation categorizes Autism / Asperger as a disorder not as a disease.

ICD-10 F84.5

http://www3.who.int/icd/vol1htm2003/fr-icd.htm

Chapter V

Mental and behavioural disorders (F00-F99)

Disorders of psychological development (F80-F89)

F84.5

Asperger's syndrome

A disorder of uncertain nosological validity, characterized by the same type of qualitative abnormalities of reciprocal social interaction that typify autism, together with a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities. It differs from autism primarily in the fact that there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. This disorder is often associated with marked clumsiness. There is a strong tendency for the abnormalities to persist into adolescence and adult life. Psychotic episodes occasionally occur in early adult life.

Autistic psychopathy Schizoid disorder of childhood

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . Perhaps you'd like to mail them that little piece of information?

In Sweden it is classified as a neuropsychiatric disability.

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

[Guest guest]

I have just sent it to them just before i read this.

:-])

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I have found an error in your web site

MYTH, Autism / Asperger is a disease

FACT, The World Health Organisation categorizes Autism / Asperger as a disorder not as a disease.

ICD-10 F84 - F84.5

http://www3.who.int/icd/vol1htm2003/fr-icd.htm

john

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Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

[Guest guest]

good.. now those saying it is a disease are full of "something" or "another.john davis <jd001g7264@...> wrote:

MYTH, Autism / Asperger is a disease

FACT, The World Health Organisation categorizes Autism / Asperger as a disorder not as a disease.

ICD-10 F84.5

http://www3.who.int/icd/vol1htm2003/fr-icd.htm

Chapter V

Mental and behavioural disorders (F00-F99)

Disorders of psychological development (F80-F89)

F84.5

Asperger's syndrome

A disorder of uncertain nosological validity, characterized by the same type of qualitative abnormalities of reciprocal social interaction that typify autism, together with a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities. It differs from autism primarily in the fact that there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. This disorder is often associated with marked clumsiness. There is a strong tendency for the abnormalities to persist into adolescence and adult life. Psychotic episodes occasionally occur in early adult life.

Autistic psychopathy Schizoid disorder of childhood

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

[Guest guest]

Fantastic.john davis <jd001g7264@...> wrote:

I have just sent it to them just before i read this.

:-])

*************************************************************************************************** I have found an error in your web site

MYTH, Autism / Asperger is a disease

FACT, The World Health Organisation categorizes Autism / Asperger as a disorder not as a disease.

ICD-10 F84 - F84.5

http://www3.who.int/icd/vol1htm2003/fr-icd.htm

john

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[Guest guest]

I do not know what to trust when reading online. This is why I would really like to see moderatly skilled textbooks on autism and or also P.D.D.

Grammer is way off today PC program is being tricky.VISIGOTH@... wrote:

That sounds like they are talkinga bout classic autism, not AS. I do disagree with their statement that autistics don't suffer from intolerance. We do indeed.

[Guest guest]

Tom:

> This sort of thing arises when the Aspies begin clammoring at the UN

> for minority status, or when we promote ourselves too much as a

> culture and gloss over the downsides of AS.

I happen to find Amy's attempt to register Aspies as a minority

group with the UN to be an excellent action. Even though I do

not entirely agree with the autism-as-a-culture concept, I think

such a start-point would have many advantages. Today it is

impossible to use discrimination laws when it comes to the

actions of social authorities and schools, especially for undiagnosed

people.If Aspies are considered an ethnic group, all the laws

for discrimination would become applicable, and for instance

robbing children from parents would be a serious offense, just

as bullying in schools would be, and also placing Aspies in

special education for no other reason than the lack of alternatives.

The difference between disordered and ethnic groups is that

with the former you cannot claim that your group should have

equal opportunities as other groups, simply because the other

side will then claim Aspies are unable of this-and-that and

therefore could not possibly expect to get a qualified job and so

on.

Leif

[Guest guest]

In my opinion this site is incorrect in a few of it's facts.

Under the heading 'Autism Culture A Myth' (I think it is under that

heading) it says that people with autism do not communicate. I think

it is referring to classical autism and children. However my son has

attended special schools and the staff there have said that children

with autism tend to gravitate to one another. I have also witnessed

other classically autistic children attempting to communicate with

one another. I think it is rather arrogant for some to believe that

just because some do not have a verbal language or even a

recognisable language that they cannot communicate - I have met

plenty of autistic children that do communicate - just not in the

ways that are deemed acceptable by this society we live in.

My son (he is HFA) does seem to communicate better with those on the

spectrum (and I mean the whole spectrum) than those who are not. Also

I do believe that it is very likely genetic (or that some genetic

component is involved) - as quite often it can be seen to be running

in families - not in all cases, but certainly a lot of the time.

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> Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

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> http://66.221.49.64/autismfacts/

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> Conversation concerning this site is welcomed.

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[Guest guest]

Great! Let's see if they will change their heading accordingly. If they want to be taken seriously, they'd be wise to not make them selves look COMPLETELY ignorant.

Even more surprising I find the incredibly long list of professionals, organisations and corporations endorsing the site. Shouldn't ANY of them have reacted to such a blatant mistake before lending their name to it?

Inger

Re: Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I feel it is important to oppose the terminology disease. Being careful not to be too sensitive with terminologies, that the request for better terminology be counter productive.

[Guest guest]

Trust your OWN judgement, . That will be your only reliable guide in the sea of diverse opinions.

Just because someone went to college for X member of years is no *automatic* guarantee that the theories about ASD they learned there are correct, since these too were only thought up by other humans, who may be just as biased and influenced by their particular culture, time and personal experiences as anyone else. Psychology is not and never can be an exact science. It's just more or less qualified guesswork. Therefore it is up to each person to decide for themselves what to think.

Perhaps write your own textbook? ;-)

Inger

Re: Autism: A Debilitating Disease, Not a Culture

I do not know what to trust when reading online. This is why I would really like to see moderatly skilled textbooks on autism and or also P.D.D.

Grammer is way off today PC program is being tricky.VISIGOTH@... wrote:

That sounds like they are talkinga bout classic autism, not AS. I do disagree with their statement that autistics don't suffer from intolerance. We do indeed.