Re: The best of future Aspie children

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Now, THAT is REASONABLE. Here the you are focusing on WHY labels can be a matter of discussions and flarings. And, yeah, you are completely right. Nobody likes being called names, because the natural tendency is to think you are being insulted, sadly. But, there is also the need to talk properly when we want to disscuss about something. That's all I think. I don't go in the streets saying to the people I don't like "You f*****g NEUROTYPICAL!!!". If you analize it, is silly, for most NT or regular person don't know what the hell I am calling them and even the term on itself is NOT an insult... unless you meant it that way. Is true: differences will be always a good start point for ruptures among SENTIENT beings (not only humans), but it could also be an start to admire the wonders and diversity of creation. So, I don't see as a bad thing. I like the variety of universe, people, and species. [^-^]

Jano

PD: But not for that I am gonna tell everybody that I see their differences with me. That wouldn't be polite unless the differences were TOO grate, like for example aliens... but even in such a sittuations I don't like people pointing at me for being different unless it is for saying a good thing.... what is usually not what happens. But that doesn't means I am gonna be at that level, right? [^-~]

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > escribió:

, I agree.The neuro-typical designation is NOT completely completely safe psychologically as long as the meaning of the term can be flexible, or interpreted in different ways.I think when people deal with science, there should be exact words for exact meanings so there can be no room for misinterpretation and no room for assigning additional meanings to words.The felxibility of language is half the reason understandings flare up between people, which is why I STILL think it's best to steer clear of labels if possible unless that particular label has a universally understood meaning that cannot in any way be changed.Inflexible words with inflexible meanings would leave no room for confusion in communication. Therefore if a label was universally understood tobe a simple designation with no goodness or

badness implied, that would be fine. But such a word can never occur in the English language which is why labeling people or social segments ought to be kept to minimum, or used only in the place of other, less specific terminology. TomIndividuals with A.S are not are not a species, culture, social identity group or otherwise. They are people like anyone else that deserve to be part of society as a whole (in real life) and I dont believe the indoctrination (not religious just a term that came to mind) of this type of human neuro-typological philosophy is completly safe psychologicaly.

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> Question: If someone has autism are they autism thus they are identitified

as autistic?

According to my ideology, a person with autism or somebody that has autism

is illogical. However, I do accept when others use these terms, but I never

do myself. To me, only autistic and Aspie makes sense. You *are* autism

and it is not something you are afflicted with like the flu or brain damage.

> Does one agree to such a label as well or is it automaticaly given to

them?

According to my ideology, everyone that shows enough autistic traits is

autistic.

> Nothing is better then a lecture as well as a textbook.

I agree. Since I used to be a slow reader, also having mild dyslexia, I

really

value a lecture as well so I don't have to read long books.

> Did you take any psychology classes?

No, but I've read some psychology litterature that is used in psychology

classes.

For instance I read Buss " evolutionary psychology " book which is used in

some

classes about evolutionary psychology. Mainstream psychology never did

interest

me much, since I don't feel it describes me very well.

> I can think for myself, so I know what I am talking about as well.

Of course you can. You are an expert on yourself. Everybody knows

themselves best.

Leif

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> Question: If someone has autism are they autism thus they are identitified

as autistic?

According to my ideology, a person with autism or somebody that has autism

is illogical. However, I do accept when others use these terms, but I never

do myself. To me, only autistic and Aspie makes sense. You *are* autism

and it is not something you are afflicted with like the flu or brain damage.

> Does one agree to such a label as well or is it automaticaly given to

them?

According to my ideology, everyone that shows enough autistic traits is

autistic.

> Nothing is better then a lecture as well as a textbook.

I agree. Since I used to be a slow reader, also having mild dyslexia, I

really

value a lecture as well so I don't have to read long books.

> Did you take any psychology classes?

No, but I've read some psychology litterature that is used in psychology

classes.

For instance I read Buss " evolutionary psychology " book which is used in

some

classes about evolutionary psychology. Mainstream psychology never did

interest

me much, since I don't feel it describes me very well.

> I can think for myself, so I know what I am talking about as well.

Of course you can. You are an expert on yourself. Everybody knows

themselves best.

Leif

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Random thought post.

Yes everyone is an expert of themselves which is why figuring people out in what they mean in how and why they say it is both interesting and ellusive at times.

I just dont think it is logical no matter how many times I think of it to call others N.T or any other term. If the self-identification is a must for social requirments based upon some emotional requirment to fit in then the club belief is everyone else is N.T in the world. However its not really a club its a life changing ideaology that gets ingrained in the psyche in some.

I consider it like a "mind virus".. Take a look on google... Notice I said "like" and not the same.

There are so many different kinds of people, personalities and types of thought.

Back to the autistic label, that's what you label them not necessarly themselves. Perhaps most with any form of autism won't even subscribe to this terminology or any other identity based upon a label. Someone is themselves and not the label of course.

Possibilities beyond the complex of self-identification..

A method of discription of another.

Self-Identification..

Or is it how some define themselves?

IF so is it a way to fit in and or be part of what others are? A group and or social self-fullfillment based upon the desire for human interactions and attachment to an identity group?

The process by which you have determined your idealogy (over-time)and how it has evolved conceptually might be of interest.

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Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

> Question: If someone has autism are they autism thus they are identitifiedas autistic?According to my ideology, a person with autism or somebody that has autismis illogical. However, I do accept when others use these terms, but I neverdo myself. To me, only autistic and Aspie makes sense. You *are* autismand it is not something you are afflicted with like the flu or brain damage.> Does one agree to such a label as well or is it automaticaly given tothem?According to my ideology, everyone that shows enough autistic traits isautistic.> Nothing is better then a lecture as well as a textbook.I agree. Since I used to be a slow reader, also having mild dyslexia, Ireallyvalue a lecture as well so I don't have to read long books.> Did you take any psychology classes?No, but I've read some

psychology litterature that is used in psychologyclasses.For instance I read Buss "evolutionary psychology" book which is used insomeclasses about evolutionary psychology. Mainstream psychology never didinterestme much, since I don't feel it describes me very well.> I can think for myself, so I know what I am talking about as well.Of course you can. You are an expert on yourself. Everybody knowsthemselves best.Leif

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> Also I do not know of many whom openly say they talk to other

> persons with A.S in real life.

I do. I talk with my friend, my daughter and grand daughter all the

time!

> Even so knowledge is not the same as real medical experience or

> persons that work with individuals with autism on a daily bases or

> educationaly.

That's very true, but only if you give all the authority and

knowledge to medical personel. Even still, if the medical person

doesn't have AS, s/he can only talk/write about it in an abstract

way. Those with AS can discuss real life experiences.

> I was told reading college textbooks was not the same as going to

> college no matter how many I have read through the past 6 months.

That's true. College attendance offers many things. However,

depending what it is you want to know, reading text books, doing

research, etc., one can self education themselves. It's a different

way of learning, granted, that doesn't include the social aspect,

the Q & A aspect, etc.

If one's goal is education, one can self-educate. One won't have a

piece of paper at the end, but one can have the same or more

information than those bearing the piece of paper.

Lizzie

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Hey, Nat, I understand your point in many ways.

As I have used astrology to try to understand certain things, and as each chart is unique, even if shared with another human being. As it is seen as a blue print but you cannot see the height of it, the soul that will live that chart and will give to it different colours and other unseen things that make that chart still true to itself but with different atmosphere.

As each moment is unrepeatable, you will not take the same picture of the heavens ever-well, a birth chart is a picture of the skies at a given moment.

See, the chart is made, for everyone, with 10 planets, 12signs, 12 houses, and endeless combinations on how they will interact with themselves, also considering the latitde and longitude of the place a person is born, and also considering the time- as some planets are very fast and other very slow, takes them more than 200 years for them to pass throuhg a point a faster planet passes in fewer years, or even months or even days. So, these many combinations make a unique chart

The same 7 musical notes make endeleess unrepeatable pieces of musics.

How can I all of a sudden think of somehting that will devide each unique person into two categories of people?

What percentage of that group one should have in order to be a real representative of it?

What good does it bring?

What are the benefits?

This reminds me a bit of the gay pride thing, or the black pride thing. See, am not prejudiced either agasint gays or blacks but I find those movements rather a prejudice agaisnt the other races or sexualities. I do believe they were created to make these people fight agasint certain prejudices or problems, but what are the actual resuls?

Many times what these categories of people want are not simply having the same rights, but having special rights. (like, in a city in my country if a heterosexual couple is caught doing something too sensuous in public they can be arrested...but if the couple is gay the gays won´t be arrested as they will argue it is sexual descrimination. They can win in legal matters with this argument. Period! So, in a gay area in that town if you do not want see people doing intimate stuff you cannot pass by there certain times of the days as you will be shocked and if you tell police you are shocked some will say you are shocked because you do not like gays.

Has anyone seen the french movie called "The Closet' when a guy decided to pretend he was a gay so he would not be fired as people in the company would be afraid of being considered prejudiced agaisnt him? In my country nowadyas if one calls someone ´black´ that person could be in legal problems, but if one is called 'pale white' nohting will happen. I do not intend to be a member of a resentful minority group...

I like being in this group as well as I like being a member of the tango dancers in my town, or astrologers, or the ones who are open minded, and so forth. I mean, there is no war against people who do not dance or who do not like astrology...I join these groups because they make my life happier, better, I spend good time with them, I find myself trued to myself in those places, well, in other words, they resonate with me and with my present moment, etc, etc, etc.

Well, I do know my life is more interesting them theirs...why bother fight or unsult them?

Marilia

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Random thought post.

Yes everyone is an expert of themselves which is why figuring people out in what they mean in how and why they say it is both interesting and ellusive at times.

I just dont think it is logical no matter how many times I think of it to call others N.T or any other term. If the self-identification is a must for social requirments based upon some emotional requirment to fit in then the club belief is everyone else is N.T in the world. However its not really a club its a life changing ideaology that gets ingrained in the psyche in some.

I consider it like a "mind virus".. Take a look on google... Notice I said "like" and not the same.

There are so many different kinds of people, personalities and types of thought.

Back to the autistic label, that's what you label them not necessarly themselves. Perhaps most with any form of autism won't even subscribe to this terminology or any other identity based upon a label. Someone is themselves and not the label of course.

Possibilities beyond the complex of self-identification..

A method of discription of another.

Self-Identification..

Or is it how some define themselves?

IF so is it a way to fit in and or be part of what others are? A group and or social self-fullfillment based upon the desire for human interactions and attachment to an identity group?

The process by which you have determined your idealogy (over-time)and how it has evolved conceptually might be of interest.

-------------------

Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

> Question: If someone has autism are they autism thus they are identitifiedas autistic?According to my ideology, a person with autism or somebody that has autismis illogical. However, I do accept when others use these terms, but I neverdo myself. To me, only autistic and Aspie makes sense. You *are* autismand it is not something you are afflicted with like the flu or brain damage.> Does one agree to such a label as well or is it automaticaly given tothem?According to my ideology, everyone that shows enough autistic traits isautistic.> Nothing is better then a lecture as well as a textbook.I agree. Since I used to be a slow reader, also having mild dyslexia, Ireallyvalue a lecture as well so I don't have to read long books.> Did you take any psychology classes?No, but I've read some psychology litterature that is used in psychologyclasses.For instance I read Buss "evolutionary psychology" book which is used insomeclasses about evolutionary psychology. Mainstream psychology never didinterestme much, since I don't feel it describes me very well.> I can think for myself, so I know what I am talking about as well.Of course you can. You are an expert on yourself. Everybody knowsthemselves best.Leif

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So true, Lizzie. I find that at least in my country many people who go to college in fact do not intend education in itself. They simply want better job opportunity that a diploma can give.

Well, I do talk too with other apies people, whom I never knew they were aspians, but now I know.

One of them is my brother in law. Everyone in the family talks in his back, although there are other aspians there too, but in different ways. But this one has always been discriminated by the rest of the family, and he is nice in many ways, and inteligent too. I have been annoyed by him as well as I have been by the other family members. But I like him the same way I like the others...and people always kind of 'accused ' me to be always in his defense.

He does things like behave not too formal in piblic when in very formal situations...sometimes he wears yellow when a more discreet colour would be more indicated, and he has the habit to be too honest, complain about things other people find not good to complain when , like, in social situations and other people can hear. He can be naive and offensive too...but he is greast in many ways too.

Well, in some past posts Shaun has said that his wife has called him retarded, and everyone thought it was great for him to leave, as if it was a non aspie not understanding and respecting an aspie. well, I do not think so. This brother in law has called my husband retarded once-both are aspians-I have called my husband that way too, more than once, as he can be terribly slow to understand things other aspies do understand. On the same token, my husband cannot understand the bluntness of his brother. And both will find me weird in many ways.

Well, guess I kind of changed subject...hehe, but still on topic.

Marilia

Re: The best of future Aspie children

> Also I do not know of many whom openly say they talk to other> persons with A.S in real life. I do. I talk with my friend, my daughter and grand daughter all the time!> Even so knowledge is not the same as real medical experience or > persons that work with individuals with autism on a daily bases or > educationaly.That's very true, but only if you give all the authority and knowledge to medical personel. Even still, if the medical person doesn't have AS, s/he can only talk/write about it in an abstract way. Those with AS can discuss real life experiences.> I was told reading college textbooks was not the same as going to > college no matter how many I have read through the past 6 months.That's true. College attendance offers many things. However, depending what it is you want to know, reading text books, doing research, etc., one can self education themselves. It's a different way of learning, granted, that doesn't include the social aspect, the Q & A aspect, etc. If one's goal is education, one can self-educate. One won't have a piece of paper at the end, but one can have the same or more information than those bearing the piece of paper.Lizziehttp://pg.photos./ph/chain3turn/my_photoshttp://www.livejournal.com/users/samplerlady/http://literarylady.blogspot.com/"To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong." ph Chilton Pierce

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,

Recently I have been thinking of going back to college and taking

some anthropology classes. Time might not permit it at present

however. I must keep my job.

I've often thought it might be enjoyable to also take college

classes after I retire. Ideally, I'd like to take zoology classes,

but not necessarily pursue a degree.

Once in a while I go back and visit my university and walk around

the campus, and if it is a Saturday, there are sometimes classes

going on in the big lecture halls. Those are the classes that have a

hundred students or so, and I think to myself... " No one woud notice

if I just popped in and started listening would they? "

But to my mind, since I didn't pay for the class, I shouldn't sit

in, as that would be sort of like stealing.

Alas! Sometimes I hate being moral.

Tom

As for me, I took there course because it would help me with my

business, but also because I rather enjoy taking classes.

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Nathon: "....... nor have I paid much attention to anyone I have ever met."But this is what real life is all about!!!!  Rainbow