Re: Males impressing on females

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Leif,

I have no idea about your question. My ususal mode is to be nice, which they seem to appreciate but that's as far as it goes. Unfortunately, I've had a few think I was gay because I wasn't constantly hitting on them. Really what it was was that I was discreet enough to take a look when they wouldn't catch me doing it. I didn't hit on them either because past experience has shown that that would end in failure anyway so wasn't worth the humiliation.

You are right though that many males go well out of their way to impress. It amazes me how much they spend in terms of their resources on this. 90% of the fashion advise in men's magazines is geared toward attracting women, the other 10% or looking good on the job for the sake of the job pretty much never changes. They will spend lots of money on clubs and alcohol, possibly other drugs too.

Around here though, I mostly see it in cars. The guys have their cars all fancied up with super loud stereos booming and special tips put on the muffler to make it really loud and so on. When I was in college, I heard a lot of these guys complain about never having any money. All they had to do was to look at their cars and see where it all went. It seemed to work though, at least on the lower class of women. They really seemed to like the gussied up cars and the booming bass.

One time I saw a girl almost swoon from the sound when a guy rode by on a Harley son motorcycle. Another time I heard a girl saying that she didn't care how a guy looked or treated her as long as she could be seen riding in a fancy car. Then again I also heard many more saying how they like playing guys for gifts, going to clubs and getting alcohol and stuff just with a little flirting, dancing and tolerating a little feel hear and there without ever "giving it all up".

Its all a nasty materialistic game where the guys have to impoverish themselves to curry favor. Animals do this too where the males have traits like big antlers, bright plumage and so on, that hinder their survival ability. Humans have that as well to an extent, since it seems many females swoon other rough, dangerous and thuggish looking gits.

Well, I don't play the game. Maybe if I let my nasty side out more it might be different. Most of the females seem to like being treated like that.

P.S. Ladie, I know you all aren't like this so put away the tar and feathers. I'm speaking from my personal experience and observation of the majority, or at least what seems like the majority. Problem is, most of the decent ladies get snapped up quickly which leaves the dregs for the rest of us.

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Leif,

Handsome and rich are key components for humans. Why else would plastic surgery be so big and growing, especially amongst men? This is why those guys I mentioned in other post spend all of their money like they do, to seem like they have that money to lose on chasing women.

[Guest guest]

In absolutely all spieces the female choose the male with the highest

education, that means the buck with the biggest horns or the male

with the biggest muscles and the most money.

> In almost every species the males have an urge and need

> to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

>

> In the NT population this game seems to go something like

> this:

>

> 1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

> 2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

> 3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

> in hierarchies to get access to more females.

>

> Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

> aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

> How do males prefer to impress on females and

> how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

> in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

> it without regard to existing norms.

>

> Leif

[Guest guest]

> In absolutely all spieces the female choose the male with the highest

> education, that means the buck with the biggest horns or the male

> with the biggest muscles and the most money.

I don't follow. Is large horns and big muscles high education? Big horns

and the pea-cocks tail are traits selected by females over extended periods,

but these traits are more or less useless for survival.

I intentionally left out handsome and rich, because these are probably

universal to all humans. Although it is clear that handsome would

vary between species, and even possibly between aspie and NT,

but this is hard to quantify.

Besides, if it was true that all females would select males with the

highest education, it would also follow that many aspie-males

would be surrounded by willing females, which is not the

impression I have of the situation. I more feel like high

education might be a drawback.

Leif

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmmmmmm interesting :-)

Well flowers die and if I get bought them - I have the hassle of

finding a vase and tending to them :-( I'd rather see them growing

outside. Not overly keen on chocolate either. I'm quite capbable of

buying myself what I want or creating it :-)

As for what is attractive in male - well honesty is best -

definitely - if I am lied to - find out I have been lied to how can I

trust anything they say? Lying just confuses me - and I get confused

easily without people lying :-)

Being direct is also helpful - I don't generally spot subtleties or

implied meaning.

I find it extremely attractive to be able to hold an intelligent

conversation - and that does not necesarily mean agreeing - having a

mind of their own is a definite turn on - being narrow minded though

is not.

Turn offs are if they try to be something they are not - following

herd mentality and not able to think for theirselves - shallow -

lying etc.

And of course I'm not totally blind so there has to be physical

attraction too - but I do not think my tastes are steroe typical of

the majority though - like I do not see what is so appealing about

Brad Pitt for example.

Think I've said enough now - or maybe too much :-)

> In almost every species the males have an urge and need

> to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

>

> In the NT population this game seems to go something like

> this:

>

> 1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

> 2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

> 3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

> in hierarchies to get access to more females.

>

> Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

> aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

> How do males prefer to impress on females and

> how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

> in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

> it without regard to existing norms.

>

> Leif

[Guest guest]

Well personally I disagree - for example I have rarely dated people

who owned their own cars - I do not like the types that are just

flash for flash's sake. I find them shallow and boring.

Status is nothing - I'd rather date someone unemployed if they had

the qualities I prefer and I have done in the past.

As for providing for me - why can't I provide for myself? and have

done btw.

> > In almost every species the males have an urge and need

> > to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

> >

> > In the NT population this game seems to go something like

> > this:

> >

> > 1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

> > 2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

> > 3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

> > in hierarchies to get access to more females.

> >

> > Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

> > aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

> > How do males prefer to impress on females and

> > how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

> > in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

> > it without regard to existing norms.

> >

> > Leif

[Guest guest]

Sorry, highest STATUS!!

> > In absolutely all spieces the female choose the male with the

highest

> > education, that means the buck with the biggest horns or the male

> > with the biggest muscles and the most money.

>

> I don't follow. Is large horns and big muscles high education? Big

horns

> and the pea-cocks tail are traits selected by females over extended

periods,

> but these traits are more or less useless for survival.

>

> I intentionally left out handsome and rich, because these are

probably

> universal to all humans. Although it is clear that handsome would

> vary between species, and even possibly between aspie and NT,

> but this is hard to quantify.

>

> Besides, if it was true that all females would select males with the

> highest education, it would also follow that many aspie-males

> would be surrounded by willing females, which is not the

> impression I have of the situation. I more feel like high

> education might be a drawback.

>

> Leif

[Guest guest]

> In absolutely all spieces the female choose the male with the

highest

> education, that means the buck with the biggest horns or the male

> with the biggest muscles and the most money.

I don't. I would like someone thoughtful, understanding,

affectionate, intelligent (not necessarily the same as educated), a

kind sense of humor, patient, honest, interested in at least some of

the things I am, or willing to learn enough about it to carry on an

intelligent conversation. Most of all I want someone that can and

will express their feelings in some form. Communication is a biggie!

Muscles, money, and diplomas are not a deciding factor.

Lizzie

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In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, cennis007@... writes:

During a fight between men outside a pub you will notice female onlookers getting sexually heightened and has historical precedents in the Roman historian Cicero comenting that the gladiatorial games had women exluded at some points during their existance due to womens sexual arousal being on display during the killings. Marcus Aurelius's wife (Marcus was highly likely to have been an Aspie) went down to the victors of these games for sexual liason behind Marcus's back.

Evan,

You are right about this. Whenever there is a bar fight or whatever else, there are almost always women on the edges egging the fight on. Most of the time the guys don't even want to fight but the women won't let them out of it. Its almost like they go wild over a fight.

You're right about the colesium as well. Women would get so worked up there that they would sell themselves into slavery betting on the games because they would get so worked up. The men got worked up too, though: there was a thriving trade with the prostitutes there as well.

As for where this comes from, just think about it. Almost all other animals physically fit for breeding rights. This is also common with primates. Therefore, why should we think it is any different. Humans may be trying to suppress their animal natures but it is still there. I just think that in most NTs it is still rather strong, especially in the Uber-NTs.

I've always thought how terrible life would be being stuck in perpetual rut. (When the White Tailed Deer reaches mating season, it is called the Rut.) A seemingly huger percentage of humans are stuck in that category. I'm glad I'm not, its such a waste of energy.

Oddly though, the few times I've had to fight in public, the girls didn't have a positive reaction to me. Rather they seemed really upset that a little guy kicked the crap out of their big dumb boyfriend. Rather than being cheered I would get shouted at for being brutal and all that kind of thing. Well, if they didn't want to get their butt kicked they shouldn't have attacked me first.

[Guest guest]

, I agree with every word you wrote here. My own list would pretty much

be a copy of yours.

Inger

Re: Males impressing on females

Mmmmmmmmmm interesting :-)

Well flowers die and if I get bought them - I have the hassle of

finding a vase and tending to them :-( I'd rather see them growing

outside. Not overly keen on chocolate either. I'm quite capbable of

buying myself what I want or creating it :-)

As for what is attractive in male - well honesty is best -

definitely - if I am lied to - find out I have been lied to how can I

trust anything they say? Lying just confuses me - and I get confused

easily without people lying :-)

Being direct is also helpful - I don't generally spot subtleties or

implied meaning.

I find it extremely attractive to be able to hold an intelligent

conversation - and that does not necesarily mean agreeing - having a

mind of their own is a definite turn on - being narrow minded though

is not.

Turn offs are if they try to be something they are not - following

herd mentality and not able to think for theirselves - shallow -

lying etc.

And of course I'm not totally blind so there has to be physical

attraction too - but I do not think my tastes are steroe typical of

the majority though - like I do not see what is so appealing about

Brad Pitt for example.

Think I've said enough now - or maybe too much :-)

> In almost every species the males have an urge and need

> to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

>

> In the NT population this game seems to go something like

> this:

>

> 1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

> 2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

> 3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

> in hierarchies to get access to more females.

>

> Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

> aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

> How do males prefer to impress on females and

> how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

> in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

> it without regard to existing norms.

>

> Leif

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

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[Guest guest]

I agree precisely with this too.

Inger

Re: Males impressing on females

Well personally I disagree - for example I have rarely dated people

who owned their own cars - I do not like the types that are just

flash for flash's sake. I find them shallow and boring.

Status is nothing - I'd rather date someone unemployed if they had

the qualities I prefer and I have done in the past.

As for providing for me - why can't I provide for myself? and have

done btw.

> > In almost every species the males have an urge and need

> > to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

> >

> > In the NT population this game seems to go something like

> > this:

> >

> > 1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

> > 2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

> > 3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

> > in hierarchies to get access to more females.

> >

> > Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

> > aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

> > How do males prefer to impress on females and

> > how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

> > in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

> > it without regard to existing norms.

> >

> > Leif

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

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[Guest guest]

Lizzie, it seems this is a common sentiment among Aspie women. We've had

similar discussions in other forums and the answer was always the same:

Aspie women look for things like intelligence, humor, honesty etc., not

money or status.

Inger

Re: Males impressing on females

> In absolutely all spieces the female choose the male with the

highest

> education, that means the buck with the biggest horns or the male

> with the biggest muscles and the most money.

I don't. I would like someone thoughtful, understanding,

affectionate, intelligent (not necessarily the same as educated), a

kind sense of humor, patient, honest, interested in at least some of

the things I am, or willing to learn enough about it to carry on an

intelligent conversation. Most of all I want someone that can and

will express their feelings in some form. Communication is a biggie!

Muscles, money, and diplomas are not a deciding factor.

Lizzie

http://pg.photos./ph/chain3turn/my_photos

http://www.livejournal.com/users/samplerlady/

http://literarylady.blogspot.com/

" To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. "

ph Chilton Pierce

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

, Leif specifically asked about what ASPIE women find attractive. Seems you have only encountered non-Aspie women.

I personally find men having plastic surgery, wearing make-up, hair gel etc. rather a turn-off. I think most guys look fine just the way they are.

Inger

Re: Re: Males impressing on females

Leif,

Handsome and rich are key components for humans. Why else would plastic surgery be so big and growing, especially amongst men? This is why those guys I mentioned in other post spend all of their money like they do, to seem like they have that money to lose on chasing women.

[Guest guest]

,

Don't feel bad. I have made exactly the same observations myself and indeed there has been studies which also confirm the flash car mediocre guy syndrome.

Since after all this sort of behaviour is derived from nature it could best be expressed by a flash car has been purhased to curry favour and thos this means that the guy who has done this will be the best and unquestioning provider.

Genetically speaking, the guy gene's don't matter that much since 18% of children have a father that is not the one they think is him. This means an astonishing one half of all families are carrying an illegitimate child. This has been statistically proven by the way.

You can utilise this seemingly bizzare behaviour to your own genetic advantage. I used to study NT behaviour and could for short periods imitate it quite well. I would hire a car for a day and use it on a date with a serving of embellishments of peacock like behaviour. It seemed foreign but indeed served its purpose well as I gained access to their physical assets and had my way until they found out the plot. From a genetic point of view it paid off as I was able to knock up a few NT women this way and have three children (two winding up in my care) with one aspie among them so it paid off.

I have become distanced from these behaviours and retreated into my world since but used it to illustrate a point

Evan

P.S For someone reading this:-) I dont do this anymore and have found my true happiness with someone that I can be myself with :-)VISIGOTH@... wrote:

Around here though, I mostly see it in cars. The guys have their cars all fancied up with super loud stereos booming and special tips put on the muffler to make it really loud and so on. When I was in college, I heard a lot of these guys complain about never having any money. All they had to do was to look at their cars and see where it all went. It seemed to work though, at least on the lower class of women. They really seemed to like the gussied up cars and the booming bass.

One time I saw a girl almost swoon from the sound when a guy rode by on a Harley son motorcycle. Another time I heard a girl saying that she didn't care how a guy looked or treated her as long as she could be seen riding in a fancy car. Then again I also heard many more saying how they like playing guys for gifts, going to clubs and getting alcohol and stuff just with a little flirting, dancing and tolerating a little feel hear and there without ever "giving it all up".

Its all a nasty materialistic game where the guys have to impoverish themselves to curry favor. Animals do this too where the males have traits like big antlers, bright plumage and so on, that hinder their survival ability. Humans have that as well to an extent, since it seems many females swoon other rough, dangerous and thuggish looking gits.

Well, I don't play the game. Maybe if I let my nasty side out more it might be different. Most of the females seem to like being treated like that.

P.S. Ladie, I know you all aren't like this so put away the tar and feathers. I'm speaking from my personal experience and observation of the majority, or at least what seems like the majority. Problem is, most of the decent ladies get snapped up quickly which leaves the dregs for the rest of us.

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[Guest guest]

To tell you the truth Leif, I don't try to impress women. I can tell

you what turns OFF neurotypical females though:

1) Monagomy

2) Consistency

3) Loyalty

4) Honesty

5) Stability

Every neurologically typical woman I know has left me for cheater, an

unstable person, a person who doesn't care about her needs, a liar,

and and/or an alcoholic.

One Aspie female has left me for the same.

Tom

In almost every species the males have an urge and need

to impress females (this is a reproductive drive).

In the NT population this game seems to go something like

this:

1. Males buy flowers and presents for females

2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females

3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climb

in hierarchies to get access to more females.

Now the question is how do aspie-males impress on

aspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?

How do males prefer to impress on females and

how do the females want the males to be? Don't think

in terms of society's expectations, but how you want

it without regard to existing norms.

Leif

[Guest guest]

Well, I have always been atracted to guys who were not predictable and got me curious about them. I do not know why I tended to atract these types before, but after entering this list and reading moreon the subjkect I can see they are a specific type of aspie man. These types could be very affectionate one day or week or moment and then be totally distant other time, and when I least expected they were nice and close and did something so unsual that it would be impossible not to fall in love with them again. They were the types that many times did not like women to be after them or to make first moves, in other moments the eccentrical side of myself is what turned them on most.

Most guys I feel in love with were like these, they had all careers and all life styles, I mean, they came from different walks of life but were umpredicatable and dear in unsual ways. Some were shy to show emotions, but most was good in having women around them. Ah, and there had to be friendship...

Another type of guy I used to atract was the one who could ve very non aspie, and do all the stuff you mentioned....and they were not bad, but I used to get bored.

My husband is an aspie who is not either umpredictable neither someone who likes to be away from me and put me at the distance. He is the blend of all the best stuff there are out there.

Marilia.

Males impressing on females

In almost every species the males have an urge and needto impress females (this is a reproductive drive).In the NT population this game seems to go something likethis:1. Males buy flowers and presents for females2. Males flatter and lie about feelings for females3. Males form alliances with each others and try to climbin hierarchies to get access to more females.Now the question is how do aspie-males impress onaspie-females? What do you aspies on the list think?How do males prefer to impress on females andhow do the females want the males to be? Don't thinkin terms of society's expectations, but how you wantit without regard to existing norms.Leif

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I can begin to answer two posts combining them with observations of NT womens behaviour.

The first being the premise I explained firstly and that is that NT behaviour being instinct driven rather than logic based, revolves around the need to ensure the maximum distribution of their genetic material. Liars and cheats are much more likely to ensure the offspring will also fit this category and will henceforth gain more offspring and a further genetic advantage.

This I can only surmise is done in a subconcious manner and flies in the face of social niceties. It then becomes a matter of the socail niceties being a suitable shield for this to take place. It really is inter related. Quite a complex subject indeed.

In the case of the Menendiz brothers the woman jurors became heightened sexually due to the men having killed.

A man who kills another must therefore have superior genes when looked at from the former hyposition and will overide others genes.

During a fight between men outside a pub you will notice female onlookers getting sexually heightened and has historical precedents in the Roman historian Cicero comenting that the gladiatorial games had women exluded at some points during their existance due to womens sexual arousal being on display during the killings. Marcus Aurelius's wife (Marcus was highly likely to have been an Aspie) went down to the victors of these games for sexual liason behind Marcus's back.

Even the bible mentions women keeping their best finery for when a city was conquered. The women wanted to attract the best of the invading warriors who after warming their swords in the bodies of their men would then take them as their own. This too has been noted in recent history with the invasion of Berlin by the Red army and in Bosnia where the serbs kept rape camps to subjugate the Bosnian's genetics with their own. The women were in nearly all cases made pregnant within the first two weeks. This is likely to have been because the soldiers were subconciously seen to be victorious warriors and thus better genetic sources.

Having made these observations you can see why I pray for thanks every day that I wasn't born an NT

Evan

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

To tell you the truth Leif, I don't try to impress women. I can tell you what turns OFF neurotypical females though:1) Monagomy2) Consistency3) Loyalty4) Honesty5) StabilityEvery neurologically typical woman I know has left me for cheater, an unstable person, a person who doesn't care about her needs, a liar, and and/or an alcoholic.One Aspie female has left me for the same.TomThe net result is you can stack a jury with fans as happened with OJ Simpson and Micheal , or who get idiots on there who can't think logically. Some time ago there was the case of the Melindez brothers who murdered their parents using shotguns, which they went outside at one point to reload before coming back inside and shooting their still living father yet again. After the murder they lived really high spending their parent's money like water, which is why the murders had happened in the first place.

However, in the first trial they were found not guilty because several of the female jurors said things like, "they're never going to see their parents again so sending them to jail would be a crime." Of course they weren't going to see their parents again because THEY killed them! The evidence was overwhelming. But the problem was these women had been heard discussing how handsome the boys were and how much they would like to date them and have sex with them. They were seen flirting with them during the trial, though why they weren't called on this and replaced I don't know

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Well, Evan and , your descriptions of NT behaviors seems rather correct in my observation,

and these behaviors are part of their instincts (whether they like this or not). However, the claim that

Aspies would have no such instincts seem rather odd. We are primates and animals too, and as such

have a need to reproduce. I think we have much harder to understand our own instincts than instincts

of others we observe. The best candidate for Aspie males impressing on Aspie females seems to be

special interests. They meet the criteria for being sexually selected, and they are more common

in males. There might be other means too that I've not figured out yet. Good clues also come from

the desires of Aspie females that they so generously presented to us here ;-)

Leif

Re: Re: Males impressing on females

In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, cennis007@... writes:

During a fight between men outside a pub you will notice female onlookers getting sexually heightened and has historical precedents in the Roman historian Cicero comenting that the gladiatorial games had women exluded at some points during their existance due to womens sexual arousal being on display during the killings. Marcus Aurelius's wife (Marcus was highly likely to have been an Aspie) went down to the victors of these games for sexual liason behind Marcus's back.

Evan,

You are right about this. Whenever there is a bar fight or whatever else, there are almost always women on the edges egging the fight on. Most of the time the guys don't even want to fight but the women won't let them out of it. Its almost like they go wild over a fight.

You're right about the colesium as well. Women would get so worked up there that they would sell themselves into slavery betting on the games because they would get so worked up. The men got worked up too, though: there was a thriving trade with the prostitutes there as well.

As for where this comes from, just think about it. Almost all other animals physically fit for breeding rights. This is also common with primates. Therefore, why should we think it is any different. Humans may be trying to suppress their animal natures but it is still there. I just think that in most NTs it is still rather strong, especially in the Uber-NTs.

I've always thought how terrible life would be being stuck in perpetual rut. (When the White Tailed Deer reaches mating season, it is called the Rut.) A seemingly huger percentage of humans are stuck in that category. I'm glad I'm not, its such a waste of energy.

Oddly though, the few times I've had to fight in public, the girls didn't have a positive reaction to me. Rather they seemed really upset that a little guy kicked the crap out of their big dumb boyfriend. Rather than being cheered I would get shouted at for being brutal and all that kind of thing. Well, if they didn't want to get their butt kicked they shouldn't have attacked me first.

[Guest guest]

I've told you before that I had a girl who was very interested in me

because I played bass. When I told her I was only learning to play

it, she wasn't interested anymore. That gave me a glimpse of the

power of Rock!

>

> Around here though, I mostly see it in cars. The guys have their

cars all fancied up with super loud stereos booming and special tips

put on the muffler to make it really loud and so on. When I was in

college, I heard a lot of these guys complain about never having any

money. All they had to do was to look at their cars and see where it

all went. It seemed to work though, at least on the lower class of

women. They really seemed to like the gussied up cars and the booming

bass.

>

> One time I saw a girl almost swoon from the sound when a guy rode

by on a Harley son motorcycle. Another time I heard a girl

saying that she didn't care how a guy looked or treated her as long

as she could be seen riding in a fancy car. Then again I also heard

many more saying how they like playing guys for gifts, going to clubs

and getting alcohol and stuff just with a little flirting, dancing

and tolerating a little feel hear and there without ever " giving it

all up " .

>

> Its all a nasty materialistic game where the guys have to

impoverish themselves to curry favor. Animals do this too where the

males have traits like big antlers, bright plumage and so on, that

hinder their survival ability. Humans have that as well to an extent,

since it seems many females swoon other rough, dangerous and thuggish

looking gits.

>

> Well, I don't play the game. Maybe if I let my nasty side out more

it might be different. Most of the females seem to like being treated

like that.

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> P.S. Ladie, I know you all aren't like this so put away the tar and

feathers. I'm speaking from my personal experience and observation of

the majority, or at least what seems like the majority. Problem is,

most of the decent ladies get snapped up quickly which leaves the

dregs for the rest of us.

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Although I can like a dominant man, I find real violence and killing utterly disgusting. I had an Irish BF who constantly got into fist-fights and I was only sickened by it.

And I really doubt very much that the women who were raped in Bosnia enjoyed it. FYI, the word "rape means they have no choice about it. Getting pregnant is in such cases not a sign of willingness to have sex with the invaders; only of the invaders being successful rapists.

Sure, many women may fantasise about getting raped etc., but I have yet to hear of a single woman who was raped for real actually enjoying it. Same with prostitution. It's just a male fantasy that women enjoy it. I doubt there is a woman on the planet who likes to have to have sex with just anyone, whether in the mood for it or not.

Being married to the emperor and sampling the gladiators is another matter altogether. There she has a choice about it.

Inger

Re: Re: Males impressing on females

I can begin to answer two posts combining them with observations of NT womens behaviour.

The first being the premise I explained firstly and that is that NT behaviour being instinct driven rather than logic based, revolves around the need to ensure the maximum distribution of their genetic material. Liars and cheats are much more likely to ensure the offspring will also fit this category and will henceforth gain more offspring and a further genetic advantage.

This I can only surmise is done in a subconcious manner and flies in the face of social niceties. It then becomes a matter of the socail niceties being a suitable shield for this to take place. It really is inter related. Quite a complex subject indeed.

In the case of the Menendiz brothers the woman jurors became heightened sexually due to the men having killed.

A man who kills another must therefore have superior genes when looked at from the former hyposition and will overide others genes.

During a fight between men outside a pub you will notice female onlookers getting sexually heightened and has historical precedents in the Roman historian Cicero comenting that the gladiatorial games had women exluded at some points during their existance due to womens sexual arousal being on display during the killings. Marcus Aurelius's wife (Marcus was highly likely to have been an Aspie) went down to the victors of these games for sexual liason behind Marcus's back.

Even the bible mentions women keeping their best finery for when a city was conquered. The women wanted to attract the best of the invading warriors who after warming their swords in the bodies of their men would then take them as their own. This too has been noted in recent history with the invasion of Berlin by the Red army and in Bosnia where the serbs kept rape camps to subjugate the Bosnian's genetics with their own. The women were in nearly all cases made pregnant within the first two weeks. This is likely to have been because the soldiers were subconciously seen to be victorious warriors and thus better genetic sources.

Having made these observations you can see why I pray for thanks every day that I wasn't born an NT

Evan

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> Oddly though, the few times I've had to fight in public, the girls didn't have a positive reaction to me. Rather they seemed really upset that a little guy kicked the crap out of their big dumb boyfriend. Rather than being cheered I would get shouted at for being brutal and all that kind of thing. Well, if they didn't want to get their butt kicked they shouldn't have attacked me first.

LOL! :-D

Inger

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Leif,

I never meant to imply that Aspies don't have those instincts too. We do, but I think most of us choose not to be dominated by them. There are times when they will give me a lot of trouble, but that typically only lasts a few days. Then it is back to the normal routine of mind being over body.

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In a message dated 8/8/2005 2:30:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, ojmalm@... writes:

I've told you before that I had a girl who was very interested in me because I played bass. When I told her I was only learning to play it, she wasn't interested anymore. That gave me a glimpse of the power of Rock!

Very interesting and this explains something. In high school I played the drums, but only in the marching band. A few times girls found out I played drums and thought I was in a rock band, they were very interested until I told them I was a cadence drummer in the marching band. That cooled them off like a bucket of water on a match. Naive me never caught on to this.

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In a message dated 8/8/2005 4:51:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

Although I can like a dominant man, I find real violence and killing utterly disgusting. I had an Irish BF who constantly got into fist-fights and I was only sickened by it.

Inger,

This is an interesting point. Perhaps this is a difference between AS and NT. In this case I am meaing AS as being more advanced and NT more primitive. It seems most Aspies prefer to avoid violence, except maybe as children, particularly if they haven't had the DX yet.

I will use myself as an example. When I was younger, I did have a nasty temper and its still around. However, I don't think it is entirely related to AS. Rather, I think it was learned from my father's behavior: he had a wild and unpredictable temper and was given to fits. What held me in check as a child was being smaller than almost everyone else. This was also a hinderance because it set me up for bullying.

That said, I've always had a resistance to killing or hurting others. The bullies thought it was so funny that I might start to hit them and stop. This wasn't entirely because I wanted to, but something deeper would stop me. I think it was that I knew it wasn't a serious threat most of the time, but the times they did hit me I would fight back with a fury.

Other times I was aware of an assensement or reward vs. punishment. This was especially true in military school. If I fought there there were demerits, punishment marching (or worse cleaning dirty trays in the mess hall) and being demoted. A couple of times someone really deserved a thrashing, but I held back for those reasons.

I guess you could say my thoughts were codified by one of my high school teachers, who was very likely AS. Most people made fun of him because he was a hippie in the 1960's and 1970's and protested the Vietnam War. However, he was a very wise man. This was his point of view as he explained to the class: "Fighting is not bad in itself, it is why you fight. Don't fight over status or girls. You should only fight fight when it is life or death, and then fight to kill. Fighting isn't worth the pain or jail time unless it is to save your life or the life of someone close to you."

That's pretty much the way I look at it. Now, I've had a couple of fights I couldn't walk away from and I didn't kill the person. The reasons were very simple. In college, the other person was either just being a jerk or it was a status thing, so killing them wasn't justified. Beside, just beating them up made them look stupid to their friends and they had to live that down. The more dangerous cases I had nonlethal means of defense, like the stun gun, that worked and ended the threat.

I have, however, come close to killing on a few occasions. One was a guy who was about to mug me in Mobile before I had the stun gun. Fortunately he looked me in the eye and instead of seeing fear he saw a killing glare. When I went for my knife, he ran. I've also used guns to run off burglars without having to shoot. Had they made it into the house and not surrendered I would have fired. I wouldn't have enjoyed doing it, but they would have been a threat to myself and everyone in the house and would have to be eliminated.

Fighting for fun or whatever I find very primitive. Barfighters and street thugs should be in jail, as should the women who egg on the fights. I also think that flogging should be brought back for such things since it is something those people would understand. Unfortunately, they would probably also turn those flogging scars into a status symbol like some street thugs treat bullets wounds.

Now I'll admit I will watch Ultimate Fighting from time to time. Those people are brutes, but they have skill. It is interesting to watch them from a technical standpoint, though I honestly can't understand why anyone would dedicate their lives to being beaten up. I also think the UFC has a bad rap. I think it is more civil in a way than boxing because the fight are ended much more readily. That is if a fighter is knocked down and dazed, the fight is over. Boxing, on the other hand, gives unlimited standing 10 counts for a boxer to pull himself together again. This extends the fight but makes it more brutal and exposes the boxer to long term brain damage.

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I do not like violence either.

Well, on the thing that was said that nt women usually prefer liars or cheaters, I do not know if this is a nt trait or not, but I have noticed that some guys who are cheaters have some charisma. I cannot only suppose it is due to females dumbness. I remember one friend of mine telling me once that she felt atracted to guys who are cheaters but she would never tell that to her boyfriend. I never understood why, till I formulated this hypothesis, hehe, am not sure it is right.

I think guys who cheat -ie, have lots of women-do like women in general, as males, more than guys who do not cheat.

Women sense that...

One friend of mine who is a cheater told me once that whenever he is cheating he gets much more patient and nice and sweet with women in general, as he is so happy and satisfied as a male, he can understand, accept, etc, every annoying female trait, either it be pms, or whatever, because he is happy.

Could it be cheaters are happier, since they are fulfilling their instincts right away?

Perhaps for a friend, husband or boyfriend they do not want this type of man, but some parte of their female psyche feels that this kind of guy perhaps love women more.

In other words, it seems to me that guys who do not cheat and are loyal to one person love THAT person. And guys who cheat love womanhood-if this is the right english word for (femalety?)- more than anything else. This -although not a compliment for an individual woman, is a praise for a more 'nature´s' fact.

Another reason I find is that usually people who are very good in apreciating a certain type of talent do have this talent more than the rest. For instance, some people can understand americna sense of humor but cannot understand, for instance, the japanese one. But for the person who has a broad ability to understand humor in general, this person can read of whoemver jokes. I have a friend like that. She can laugh of everyone´s jokes...even the ones I find they are not funny at all, although even these ones have their poublic who likes them. So, if she can grasp the humor from all its types, she has a more sense of humor. So, perhaps guys who cheat maybe are more talented to grasp every females hint of sensuality. Could it be their sexuality is 'broader'?

Could it be these people, in certain ways, love life more?

Marilia

Re: Re: Males impressing on females

I can begin to answer two posts combining them with observations of NT womens behaviour.

The first being the premise I explained firstly and that is that NT behaviour being instinct driven rather than logic based, revolves around the need to ensure the maximum distribution of their genetic material. Liars and cheats are much more likely to ensure the offspring will also fit this category and will henceforth gain more offspring and a further genetic advantage.

This I can only surmise is done in a subconcious manner and flies in the face of social niceties. It then becomes a matter of the socail niceties being a suitable shield for this to take place. It really is inter related. Quite a complex subject indeed.

In the case of the Menendiz brothers the woman jurors became heightened sexually due to the men having killed.

A man who kills another must therefore have superior genes when looked at from the former hyposition and will overide others genes.

During a fight between men outside a pub you will notice female onlookers getting sexually heightened and has historical precedents in the Roman historian Cicero comenting that the gladiatorial games had women exluded at some points during their existance due to womens sexual arousal being on display during the killings. Marcus Aurelius's wife (Marcus was highly likely to have been an Aspie) went down to the victors of these games for sexual liason behind Marcus's back.

Even the bible mentions women keeping their best finery for when a city was conquered. The women wanted to attract the best of the invading warriors who after warming their swords in the bodies of their men would then take them as their own. This too has been noted in recent history with the invasion of Berlin by the Red army and in Bosnia where the serbs kept rape camps to subjugate the Bosnian's genetics with their own. The women were in nearly all cases made pregnant within the first two weeks. This is likely to have been because the soldiers were subconciously seen to be victorious warriors and thus better genetic sources.

Having made these observations you can see why I pray for thanks every day that I wasn't born an NT

Evan