Re: facial reconstruction experiences- PLEASE PAY IT FORWARD

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I went to Dr. Serra 15 months ago and had my face filled. It was a positive experience. I still like my face very much and it has lifted my confidence level to the sky. The PMMA is not hard although you can tell if you feel hard enough that its been filled. Its not anything that is visual. Someone running their hands over my face would never know I had it filled. I will go back to Dr. Serra for refilling when needed.

I can see where one would be concerned with fillers but I think we have to come back to reality. We all have the virus and it will help us all live a shortened life. The use of PMMA has brought up the quality of my life not the quantity. I can now go anywhere I please and not be ashamed of my looks. The dead look is gone from my face I now look healthy no more hollowing of the cheek or gaunt face of death. PMMA is permanent. That's why I chose it, plus the cost was very inexpensive considering that you are not gouged with American prices in a 3rd world country for 1st class dermatological work. Make your choices and be happy with them.

Do not look for more reasons to have more work done. There is a fine line between aesthetically pleasing and obsession. The filling procedure will make you look like a functioning person,it will not make you beautiful unless you were before you got the virus. It is not a magical cure for all your own insecurities and vanities. Be pleased with the change for the sake of being able to go out in public and look normal. I LOVE MY LOOK I am happy with it. I say to anyone that asks go for PMMA its fast and permanent.

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I went to Dr. Serra 15 months ago and had my face filled. It was a positive experience. I still like my face very much and it has lifted my confidence level to the sky. The PMMA is not hard although you can tell if you feel hard enough that its been filled. Its not anything that is visual. Someone running their hands over my face would never know I had it filled. I will go back to Dr. Serra for refilling when needed.

I can see where one would be concerned with fillers but I think we have to come back to reality. We all have the virus and it will help us all live a shortened life. The use of PMMA has brought up the quality of my life not the quantity. I can now go anywhere I please and not be ashamed of my looks. The dead look is gone from my face I now look healthy no more hollowing of the cheek or gaunt face of death. PMMA is permanent. That's why I chose it, plus the cost was very inexpensive considering that you are not gouged with American prices in a 3rd world country for 1st class dermatological work. Make your choices and be happy with them.

Do not look for more reasons to have more work done. There is a fine line between aesthetically pleasing and obsession. The filling procedure will make you look like a functioning person,it will not make you beautiful unless you were before you got the virus. It is not a magical cure for all your own insecurities and vanities. Be pleased with the change for the sake of being able to go out in public and look normal. I LOVE MY LOOK I am happy with it. I say to anyone that asks go for PMMA its fast and permanent.

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& Group, I just received comparison photos from Dr. Echaves who has done my Sculptra injections (photos are six sessions apart). He is great at what he does, in my opinion, and I'm pleased with the product. I was able to get the product at no charge from Dermik, so I only had to pay for the injections themselves. I am so happy with the results. I'll never look like I did before the nukes (thank you for that, Zerit and Bristol-Myers Squibb), but I no longer feel like the walking dead. For me, it was worth every penny, and will be for future injections. I hope for the sake of those who can't afford the injections that something changes soon with our current medical system to help you feel a bit more whole and ease the psychological pain this can cause. I'm going to attempt to attach my before and after photos to show

the differences in my face. If the photos don't go through to the group, I'll be happy to show them to anyone who is interested; just email me privately. Best of luck to anyone suffering from this - it isn't an easy thing to live with, I know. Sincerely, Chuck PoWeRTX@... wrote: TO ALL IN POZHEALTH: I created

facialwasting.org a few years ago to help people who had no info on facial reconstruction products. Many have been helped. However, I am getting very disappointed about how many people take and do not give back. It is a constant battle to get people to share their experiences and I get tired of answering the same questions to those who desperately need information before they spend money , energy, and take risks that could affect their faces forever. I am asking each one of you in this list that have positive and negative personal (I stress: personal, not someone else's) experiences with Sculptra, PMMA, Radiesse, Artercol, silicone, BioAlcamid, Clinic Estetica, Dr Serra, Dr Casavantes, Dr , Dr Doug Mest, Dr Orentreich, and many others to share it by posting it

here: http://boardserver.superstats.com/post.html?collapse= & f=1 & u=vsign_997131 & uid=2425504 Thanks for giving back! Regards, Vergelpowerusa dot org"What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do." - Ruskin AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _____.~*Olu Pua*~._____("At Peace Among The Flowers") Chuck Becker, in Seattle, WA

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& Group, I just received comparison photos from Dr. Echaves who has done my Sculptra injections (photos are six sessions apart). He is great at what he does, in my opinion, and I'm pleased with the product. I was able to get the product at no charge from Dermik, so I only had to pay for the injections themselves. I am so happy with the results. I'll never look like I did before the nukes (thank you for that, Zerit and Bristol-Myers Squibb), but I no longer feel like the walking dead. For me, it was worth every penny, and will be for future injections. I hope for the sake of those who can't afford the injections that something changes soon with our current medical system to help you feel a bit more whole and ease the psychological pain this can cause. I'm going to attempt to attach my before and after photos to show

the differences in my face. If the photos don't go through to the group, I'll be happy to show them to anyone who is interested; just email me privately. Best of luck to anyone suffering from this - it isn't an easy thing to live with, I know. Sincerely, Chuck PoWeRTX@... wrote: TO ALL IN POZHEALTH: I created

facialwasting.org a few years ago to help people who had no info on facial reconstruction products. Many have been helped. However, I am getting very disappointed about how many people take and do not give back. It is a constant battle to get people to share their experiences and I get tired of answering the same questions to those who desperately need information before they spend money , energy, and take risks that could affect their faces forever. I am asking each one of you in this list that have positive and negative personal (I stress: personal, not someone else's) experiences with Sculptra, PMMA, Radiesse, Artercol, silicone, BioAlcamid, Clinic Estetica, Dr Serra, Dr Casavantes, Dr , Dr Doug Mest, Dr Orentreich, and many others to share it by posting it

here: http://boardserver.superstats.com/post.html?collapse= & f=1 & u=vsign_997131 & uid=2425504 Thanks for giving back! Regards, Vergelpowerusa dot org"What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do." - Ruskin AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _____.~*Olu Pua*~._____("At Peace Among The Flowers") Chuck Becker, in Seattle, WA

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This discussion raises a corollary issue. This list needs, actually the HIV community needs a list of trusted MD's doing facial reconstruction. I had put up a request some time ago and had put up a request more recently to start a list of the best most trustworthy providers in each city, but the response has been underwhelming.

So please, just a quick note with the docs name, products they use and contact info (address, phone) would be of huge help in compiling this list and would be a great way to promote your favorite doc.

Please send what info you have to Al @ Albertbenson . com

thanks

al

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This discussion raises a corollary issue. This list needs, actually the HIV community needs a list of trusted MD's doing facial reconstruction. I had put up a request some time ago and had put up a request more recently to start a list of the best most trustworthy providers in each city, but the response has been underwhelming.

So please, just a quick note with the docs name, products they use and contact info (address, phone) would be of huge help in compiling this list and would be a great way to promote your favorite doc.

Please send what info you have to Al @ Albertbenson . com

thanks

al

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I was intrigued by a comment the writer of his post raised when he

said " I'll never look like I did before the nukes " .

What degree of correction should be expected with the various

treatments? Do different products give different results? Are some

treatments better for one part of the face then other treatments? Are

some treatments better for the problems faced by one person over

another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are people generally

satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they wound up looking

like themselves again?

I have dealt with these issues for the better part of a decade, but

only recently realized that not everybody thinks like me (!) nor is

everyone's expectations the same as mine. So now after tiring of the

sound of my own voice, I'm very interested in hearing about others'

expectations.

al

[Guest guest]

I was intrigued by a comment the writer of his post raised when he

said " I'll never look like I did before the nukes " .

What degree of correction should be expected with the various

treatments? Do different products give different results? Are some

treatments better for one part of the face then other treatments? Are

some treatments better for the problems faced by one person over

another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are people generally

satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they wound up looking

like themselves again?

I have dealt with these issues for the better part of a decade, but

only recently realized that not everybody thinks like me (!) nor is

everyone's expectations the same as mine. So now after tiring of the

sound of my own voice, I'm very interested in hearing about others'

expectations.

al

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OK Al this is how i feel about it.

First of all It is not a correction, it is a

reconstruction,

and it is important to have realistic expectations, no

man made

devise can give you back what HIV took away.

Second, result vary from person to person based on

many factors,

most importantly how far off was the damage before

action was taken, how many treatments you had done,

how did you react to the treatments, and even the kind

of day your doctor had when he did the treatment has

an impact.

And of course monetary resources, the better the

doctor, the higher the fee,in plastic surgery one pays

for the skills.

Third, there are area of the face that cannot be

reconstructed as well

or where all treatment have limited effects on, like

the forehead, the temples or under the eyes, again

depending on each person, we all get different

results.

The main result we can get from any available

treatment is big cheeks, if looking like Cher is your

thing you are in luck.

Fourth, the back of your head has lost fat as well, so

there will be even more loose skin in the front, and

how does that impact the way we look and the

reconstruction?

Again it all differ from person to person.

Fifth we are all getting old while we are doing these

treatments, and in my opinion, HIV infected individual

age faster (and poorly) then healthy people

for many reasons, all derived directly or indirectly

from being HIV infected.

Sixth, awareness, some people are more aware then

others and as

my mother used to say , blessed ignorance.

Mark B

--- " albert.benson " <al@...> wrote:

> I was intrigued by a comment the writer of his post

> raised when he

> said " I'll never look like I did before the nukes " .

>

>

> What degree of correction should be expected with

> the various

> treatments? Do different products give different

> results? Are some

> treatments better for one part of the face then

> other treatments? Are

> some treatments better for the problems faced by one

> person over

> another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are

> people generally

> satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they

> wound up looking

> like themselves again?

>

> I have dealt with these issues for the better part

> of a decade, but

> only recently realized that not everybody thinks

> like me (!) nor is

> everyone's expectations the same as mine. So now

> after tiring of the

> sound of my own voice, I'm very interested in

> hearing about others'

> expectations.

>

> al

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OK Al this is how i feel about it.

First of all It is not a correction, it is a

reconstruction,

and it is important to have realistic expectations, no

man made

devise can give you back what HIV took away.

Second, result vary from person to person based on

many factors,

most importantly how far off was the damage before

action was taken, how many treatments you had done,

how did you react to the treatments, and even the kind

of day your doctor had when he did the treatment has

an impact.

And of course monetary resources, the better the

doctor, the higher the fee,in plastic surgery one pays

for the skills.

Third, there are area of the face that cannot be

reconstructed as well

or where all treatment have limited effects on, like

the forehead, the temples or under the eyes, again

depending on each person, we all get different

results.

The main result we can get from any available

treatment is big cheeks, if looking like Cher is your

thing you are in luck.

Fourth, the back of your head has lost fat as well, so

there will be even more loose skin in the front, and

how does that impact the way we look and the

reconstruction?

Again it all differ from person to person.

Fifth we are all getting old while we are doing these

treatments, and in my opinion, HIV infected individual

age faster (and poorly) then healthy people

for many reasons, all derived directly or indirectly

from being HIV infected.

Sixth, awareness, some people are more aware then

others and as

my mother used to say , blessed ignorance.

Mark B

--- " albert.benson " <al@...> wrote:

> I was intrigued by a comment the writer of his post

> raised when he

> said " I'll never look like I did before the nukes " .

>

>

> What degree of correction should be expected with

> the various

> treatments? Do different products give different

> results? Are some

> treatments better for one part of the face then

> other treatments? Are

> some treatments better for the problems faced by one

> person over

> another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are

> people generally

> satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they

> wound up looking

> like themselves again?

>

> I have dealt with these issues for the better part

> of a decade, but

> only recently realized that not everybody thinks

> like me (!) nor is

> everyone's expectations the same as mine. So now

> after tiring of the

> sound of my own voice, I'm very interested in

> hearing about others'

> expectations.

>

> al

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I'm wondering if all these questions indicate a certain degree of obsession. I'm also wondering how anyone can answer most of them without having tried several or even all of the available options.

I do know that microdroplet silicone significantly improved my appearance when I had it done five years ago. I look better today than I did then, even though I am five years older.

In a message dated 3/26/07 1:19:20 AM, markboothan@... writes:

> What degree of correction should be expected with

> the various

> treatments? Do different products give different

> results? Are some

> treatments better for one part of the face then

> other treatments? Are

> some treatments better for the problems faced by one

> person over

> another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are

> people generally

> satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they

> wound up looking

> like themselves again?

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I'm wondering if all these questions indicate a certain degree of obsession. I'm also wondering how anyone can answer most of them without having tried several or even all of the available options.

I do know that microdroplet silicone significantly improved my appearance when I had it done five years ago. I look better today than I did then, even though I am five years older.

In a message dated 3/26/07 1:19:20 AM, markboothan@... writes:

> What degree of correction should be expected with

> the various

> treatments? Do different products give different

> results? Are some

> treatments better for one part of the face then

> other treatments? Are

> some treatments better for the problems faced by one

> person over

> another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are

> people generally

> satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they

> wound up looking

> like themselves again?

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[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if all these questions indicate a certain degree of obsession. I'm also wondering how anyone can answer most of them without having tried several or even all of the available options.

I do know that microdroplet silicone significantly improved my appearance when I had it done five years ago. I look better today than I did then, even though I am five years older.

In a message dated 3/26/07 1:19:20 AM, markboothan@... writes:

> What degree of correction should be expected with

> the various

> treatments? Do different products give different

> results? Are some

> treatments better for one part of the face then

> other treatments? Are

> some treatments better for the problems faced by one

> person over

> another (skin color, degree of wasting, etc). Are

> people generally

> satisfied by their choices? Do people feel like they

> wound up looking

> like themselves again?

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