Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hello Pete, In your designs you state that "When you start the session, drag the threshold bars for High-Beta and Low Theta high enough that they are not reached by the thermometer band. Slowly move them down so the highest levels are just below them.". However, the thermometers titled as "Fast Activity" and "Low Theta" while the bandpass filters 2 & 3 are 4-8 and 6.5-7.5 So, is it right or what bar is related to High-Beta (ratio?) mike From: < >Subject: Digest Number 3164 Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 3:55 PM BrainTrainer Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term From: ewheel7 1b. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term From: Dr. Rocatti 1c. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term From: Margoshes 1d. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short ter From: 1e. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term From: Dr. Rocatti 1f. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term From: Margoshes 1g. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, > Dr. Rocatti From: dreamannnn 1h. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, > From: dreamannnn 1i. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, > From: Dr. Rocatti 1j. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, > Dr. Rocatti From: Dr. Rocatti 2a. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: Esther Kassovicz 2b. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: Van Deusen 2c. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: Bruce Z. Berman 2d. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: Rouse 2e. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: leahy108 2f. Re: Interest in quick purchase of pirHEG equipment; AlphaStim SCS fo From: anchorpoint@... 3a. Cognitive reservoir and resolve From: chiapetfarmer 3b. Re: Cognitive reservoir and resolve From: Duncan 4. Magnetic stimulation of the Pre-Motor Cortex Improves Skill Learning From: chiapetfarmer 5. Body spatial processing and Emotional Intelligence From: chiapetfarmer 6a. Gamma wave communication between the visual cortex and pre-frontal c From: chiapetfarmer 6b. Re: Gamma wave communication between the visual cortex and pre-front From: jorge.alvoeiro@... 6c. Re: Gamma wave communication between the visual cortex and pre-front From: jorge.alvoeiro@... 7. Possibly Parietal Synchrony does Enhance Short-term memory or expand From: chiapetfarmer 8. BioEra From: sato3jp View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: 2/4 Channel Training, Entropy, HEG, CFS, Only getting short term Posted by: "ewheel7" Wheelman@... ewheel7 Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:53 pm (PDT) Ok, a bit more than that How much more effective would that setup compared to a 2ch setup? I know it's _probably_ like the Mercedes of NFB gear and not essential but maybe I might put my money in worse places... but I'd like to know more nonetheless.tommi..> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Group,> >>>> >>> I wanted to let everyone know of my experience with 2 channel > >>> entropy> >>> designs on the QDSfocus.. I have run probably in the neighborhood > >>> of 20-30> >>> sessions and after most sessions my ability to focus, do school > >>> work,> >>> accomplish tasks, be creative, and even my fatigue seem to improve > >>> for> >>> around a week or so. Also I don't get the slight anxiety producing > >>> effects> >>> that increasing beta and lowering theta have had on me in the > >>> past. I am> >>> still perplexed as to why I don't get the long term benefits from> >>> neurofeedback that a lot of people do. I do get additive effects > >>> in my> >>> ability to focus etc when I do 2-3 sessions in quick succession > >>> (ie same> >>> week). However after a week or two all effects seem to wane and I > >>> am more> >>> or less back to square one. This has been true with all the EEG > >>> protocols I> >>> have tried but seems to be especially true with protocols that > >>> reward higher> >>> frequencies (these are the ones which are in the short term the most> >>> effective for me) . I have a feeling that the lack of long term > >>> improvement> >>> has to do with with the fact I am dealing with chronic fatigue > >>> syndrome and> >>> that there is still likely some infection/toxin (lyme, mycoplasma, > >>> mercury> >>> etc) that makes a contiunally running on a high functioning brain> >>> impossible. Even with just short term gains neurofeedback has been > >>> one of> >>> the only things that keeps me functional.> >>>> >>> I have also been trying both pir/nirHEG with my pocket A-3 and have> >>> basically not been seeing a positive effect from sessions. In fact > >>> I have> >>> found that I generally seem to go downhill for a few days. I have > >>> been> >>> careful not to overdo it and usually do 3 minutes (though Ive > >>> tried 10> >>> minutes) at 1-2 prefrontal placements (usually left hemisphere). > >>> Again I am> >>> very curious to know why I am not responding with HEG the way I > >>> have with> >>> other EEG modalities? One possibility I've considered is that up > >>> regulating> >>> blood flow/metabolic activity somehow leads to overloading my > >>> already> >>> inefficient/ damaged neuronal mitochondria.> >>>> >>> Given my short term successes with 2 channel entropy designs I am> >>> considering moving up to 4 (or 8?) channel entropy training. Any > >>> one have> >>> experience with the differences in effectiveness between these? Or > >>> any> >>> entropy experience for that matter?> >>>> >>> Right now I have 2 channle QDS-focus but am considering getting a > >>> 4-chan> >>> quantum or an 8-chan excalibur (though I don't know if bioexplorer > >>> can> >>> handle this many channels?).> >>>> >>> With the entropy I have found certain placements to be much more > >>> effective> >>> than others.> >>> For example linked F3/A1/g/F4/A2 placements were not nearly as > >>> effective> >>> as linked F3/A1/g/P3/A2 placements (any one have any guesses > >>> why?). Does any> >>> one have any suggestions for 2 channel or 4 channel placements for > >>> me to try> >>> given my most bothersome symptoms (constant mental-physical fatigue,> >>> brainfog, focus problems, very slow processing speeds)? What other > >>> types of> >>> protocols for symptoms like mine are possible (or enhanced) by 4/8 > >>> channel> >>> equipment?> >>>> >>> Here's my TLC Assessment if anyone's interested> >>> http://files. getdropbox. com/u/129816/ TLC%20Assesment. xls> >>>> >>> Sorry for the length!> >>>> >>> Thanks,> >>>> >>> ~> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- > >>> >> Dr. Rocatti, M.D.> >> qdssystems@> >> http://www.qeeg. com..ar> >> QDS Systems> >> Biosignal Research Tools> >>> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.