Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well said as usual, Pete. Jo 2009/5/21, Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...>: > > > > > > > > > I am forwarding a back-channel response I got to my request that people not > back-channel explaining why (at least this person) back-channels--and I > wanted to respond to it on the list. As with other back-channels I've > received from people who were too embarrassed to ask something or admit > something on the list, I have made this anonymous. > > The idea that others may know more about something than we do--and therefore > we should not enter the conversation or ask our questions--puzzles me. If > there were a lot of judging going on, people making fun of others, then I > could understand that, but I just don't see it on the list. And, in fact, > if I worried about that, then I myself would not try to answer a lot of the > questions. I know full well that there are plenty of people on > who know a lot more or have a lot more experience or are more up to date in > an area than I am. In fact, the fact that they are here is one of the > reasons I am here: I can learn from them. > > There are certainly times when some of our more expert or erudite members > begin to respond about a specific topic that I freely admit I can't make > head nor tail of what they are writing. Sometimes I just don't worry about > it and move on to the next post. Sometimes I ask stupid questions to try to > get them to clarify--especially if it is a topic I think may be important to > me. Not everyone CAN clarify. There are some of us who either understand > at such a high level of complexity that we simply can't put our knowledge > into common terms. > > As for people not wanting to ask about silly mistakes they've made, I guess > the assumption is that we more " advanced " trainers never do such a thing. > Obviously I can't speak for everyone on the list, but I still start sessions > without turning on the amplifier, reverse the odd electrode in gathering > assessment data, start a session with a client having BE in Playback mode > instead of Capturing the client's data, etc. I still have clients with whom > I get no results. I still do protocols which have no effect and work with > clients who can't tell me what the effect was--all the same stuff that > happens to most of the rest of us. > > So hopefully more of our mates will overcome this sense that they are > potentially speaking in front of an august body of experts who have long > since forgotten what it means to be confused about something, who understand > NF and the brain at such a high level that we are above questions like " what > is coherence " , " why can't I get a good signal " , etc., who get 100% success > with their clients and never make silly mistakes. In fact the two people > whose recent back-channel posts I've sent on anonymously to the list are > people who, if they had chosen to use their names, many of us would have > realized are among those who post the great answers to our questions--people > we assumed were " above " confusion and error. > > Pete > > -- > Van Deusen > pvdtlc@... > http://www.brain-trainer.com > USA 305 433 3160 > BR 47 3346 6235 > The Learning Curve, Inc. > > > > > Many times people (including myself) do not reply to questions because of > intimidation. > > There are so many things on the listserve that go over my head and I feel > stupid writing a reply knowing that there are many others on the list that > have far greater knowledge than I. > > > I have had conversations with others that feel exactly the same way and that > is why they don't reply either. Many times people talk over the heads of > others and not that they do it intentionally as that is probably just how > they speak and understand but for those of us that have only been doing NFB > for a short period of time it blows us out of the water and we are standing > there feeling rather stupid and therefore intimidated to speak freely on the > list. > -- > Van Deusen > pvdtlc@... > http://www.brain-trainer.com > USA 305 433 3160 > BR 47 3346 6235 > The Learning Curve, Inc. > > > > -- ÆüËܥ˥塼¥í¥Õ¥£¡¼¥É¥Ð¥Ã¥¯ º´Æ£¡¡¾ù ·ÈÂÓ¡¡090-7302-1282 ·ÈÂӥ᡼¥ë¡¡neurofeedback@... ¥Û¡¼¥à¥Ú¡¼¥¸¡¡http://neurofeedback.jp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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