Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo van Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated in Islamic countries.) I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of course is dangerous. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 The real problem is CERTAINTY... the belief that one is correct and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong... In reality the world isn't like that... the two generally accepted views of the physical world General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics both say that... There is no certainty... there are no absolutes... And when you insist that there are the world WILL prove you wrong... The greatest Evils in the world are committed be people that are certain they are right... If you think about it most of the deaths, pain, suffering that has occur in the world has been done in the name of " God " by people that were certain it was God's will " Are they all right? They are horribly wrong... If there is a " God " I really think he would want us to get along and be good to each other... At the core of any belief system I have looked at is a theme of brotherhood and harmony... If people focused more on how we are alike and what we have in come it would be a much nicer world for everyone... Just my personal view, what I believe and would like to be a universal truth... Rob... At 11:44 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:53:23 +0200 > From: " Rory " <023rory@...> >Subject: Isalm > >Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo van >Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it >was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and >values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated in >Islamic countries.) > >I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that >the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in >the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of >course is dangerous. > >Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 The real problem is CERTAINTY... the belief that one is correct and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong... In reality the world isn't like that... the two generally accepted views of the physical world General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics both say that... There is no certainty... there are no absolutes... And when you insist that there are the world WILL prove you wrong... The greatest Evils in the world are committed be people that are certain they are right... If you think about it most of the deaths, pain, suffering that has occur in the world has been done in the name of " God " by people that were certain it was God's will " Are they all right? They are horribly wrong... If there is a " God " I really think he would want us to get along and be good to each other... At the core of any belief system I have looked at is a theme of brotherhood and harmony... If people focused more on how we are alike and what we have in come it would be a much nicer world for everyone... Just my personal view, what I believe and would like to be a universal truth... Rob... At 11:44 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote: >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:53:23 +0200 > From: " Rory " <023rory@...> >Subject: Isalm > >Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo van >Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it >was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and >values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated in >Islamic countries.) > >I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that >the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in >the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of >course is dangerous. > >Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Hi , Very well said! Sums it up nicely. Inger Isalm > >Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo >van >Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it >was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and >values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated >in >Islamic countries.) > >I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that >the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in >the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of >course is dangerous. > >Rory FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Hi , Very well said! Sums it up nicely. Inger Isalm > >Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo >van >Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it >was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and >values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated >in >Islamic countries.) > >I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that >the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in >the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of >course is dangerous. > >Rory FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Rob, what you say is true. But the direction that is grey I'm sure the best path. Everything black and white blended together. Also the ability for the people to change a government by popular vote. As you say, extremes on both ends are dangerous. Shaun. Leeson Jr <rleeson@...> wrote: The real problem is CERTAINTY... the belief that one is correct and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong...In reality the world isn't like that... the two generally accepted views of the physical world General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics both say that... There is no certainty... there are no absolutes... And when you insist that there are the world WILL prove you wrong...The greatest Evils in the world are committed be people that are certain they are right... If you think about it most of the deaths, pain, suffering that has occur in the world has been done in the name of "God" by people that were certain it was God's will" Are they all right? They are horribly wrong... If there is a "God" I really think he would want us to get along and be good to each other... At the core of any belief system I have looked at is a theme of brotherhood and harmony... If people focused more on how we are alike and what we have in come it would be a much nicer world for everyone...Just my personal view, what I believe and would like to be a universal truth...Rob...At 11:44 AM 7/28/2005, you wrote:>Message: 1> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:53:23 +0200> From: "Rory" <023rory@...>>Subject: Isalm>>Yesterday, the Muslim guy in Holland who murdered the film producer Theo van>Gogh last year was found guilty and jailed. He was unrepentant and felt it>was his right and duty to kill someone who criticized Islamic practice and>values. (Theo van Gogh made a film critical of the way women were treated in>Islamic countries.)>>I think one can only understand suicide bombing when one understands that>the Koran places the responsibility for protecting Islam [and the Law] in>the hands of the individual and not simply/only the collective. And this of>course is dangerous.>>Rory__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 I can't find anything but a bit of video story right now, but the Iranians officially have a regiment whose goal is to recruit suicide bombers for attacks against Isreal and the West. So now all of us have to look forward to the Iranian backed suicide bombers. At least they are doing this openly now instead of quietly. They also made reference to having nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction. The leadership of Iran is, of course, radical Islamic. It would be nice if they could figure out that their statements are only going to increase suspicion and their attacks hatred toward muslims. I have always thought that we should have knocked out the Iranians instead of Sadaam. Sadaam was evil, but he was controllable. Those mullahs are just plan evil. Well, let them nuke Isreal. Sure they'll kill a lot of people, but the Isrealis will nuke them back. It will also be interesting to see just how much of the umma runs around cheering any islamic nuclear terror attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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