Re: Emotional Response with SMR training and Tics

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4 SMR

down and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through training (20

sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten worse. He is able

to control his emotionality, but his mother is very concerned that the tics and

OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above 92%,

and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

Thank you,

Amber

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am training a seven-year old boy diagnosed with PDD NOS who also

> > suffers from motor tics, inattention, and social interactions. He

> > completed his 7th session last week and has been training at C4 SMR

> > up and theta down. His mother who is a nurse and his school both

> > reported improvement in his tics and social interactions. However,

> > his mother called and reported that he saw a movie (Coraline) over

> > the weekend and was very emotional (crying/sobbing) at the end of the

> > movie and for the next two days. The boy reportedly said, " It was

> > the best movie I ever saw " and was sad that the movie ended. The

> > mother was concerned because she has never seen such intense emotion

> > from her son and wondered if his reaction was typical of the type of

> > training we have been doing.

> >

> > Is the boy's intense emotional reaction typical to SMR and theta

> > training at C4? Has anyone else had similar responses to this type

> > of training? Has anyone had similar responses with PDD NOS clients

> > after neurofeedback training?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Amber Fasula

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Why are you training SMR down at C4?Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4 SMR down and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Why are you training SMR down at C4?Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4 SMR down and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I made a typo. I am training SMR UP at C4

>

> > Hello All,

> >

> > I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4

> > SMR UP and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through

> > training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten

> > worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very

> > concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are

> > worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

> >

> > Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above

> > 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

> >

> > Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I made a typo. I am training SMR UP at C4

>

> > Hello All,

> >

> > I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4

> > SMR UP and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through

> > training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten

> > worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very

> > concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are

> > worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

> >

> > Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above

> > 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

> >

> > Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I made a typo. I am training SMR UP at C4

>

> > Hello All,

> >

> > I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4

> > SMR UP and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through

> > training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten

> > worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very

> > concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are

> > worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

> >

> > Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above

> > 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

> >

> > Any help and/or advise in this matter is appreciated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amber,Well, if I were training someone to reduce tics and compulsive activity, and both were getting worse, I would stop that protocol after the first or second trial and go on to something else in my plan. At this point, 20 sessions into training and with no real idea of what the client's brain looks like, we'll be shooting in the dark.  If I had to do that, I guess I might try:

Mastoid Crease behind the right ear/Fp1, train SMR percent up (might have to adjust the SMR band depending on his age.C4/P4, train SMR % up again (ditto changing the band as needed).The first might help with the compulsive behaviors; second with the tics.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

> > I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4

> > SMR UP and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through

> > training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten

> > worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very

> > concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are

> > worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

> >

> > Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above

> > 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.

[Guest guest]

Amber,Well, if I were training someone to reduce tics and compulsive activity, and both were getting worse, I would stop that protocol after the first or second trial and go on to something else in my plan. At this point, 20 sessions into training and with no real idea of what the client's brain looks like, we'll be shooting in the dark.  If I had to do that, I guess I might try:

Mastoid Crease behind the right ear/Fp1, train SMR percent up (might have to adjust the SMR band depending on his age.C4/P4, train SMR % up again (ditto changing the band as needed).The first might help with the compulsive behaviors; second with the tics.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Amber <alfasula@...> wrote:

> > I have an update on the aforementioned boy. I am training 15 minutes at C4

> > SMR UP and 10 minutes at F4 beta down. He is about half way through

> > training (20 sessions), and his mother reported that his tics have gotten

> > worse. He is able to control his emotionality, but his mother is very

> > concerned that the tics and OCD (repetitive/checking) behaviors are

> > worsening. Do you have any suggestions?

> >

> > Also, he has great difficulty training. Often the feedback has to be above

> > 92%, and even then, the feedback is quite minimal.