Re: nIR vs. pIR HEG

[Guest guest]

Millie,

Just my 2 cents...I stopped using the nirHEG a long time ago because it was just too frustrating for the client. I use pirHEG quite a lot in my practice. My clients especially like that they can watch a commercial DVD as part of the pirHEG training.I have the Pocket, and have had a Pendant in the past. I can recommend those, with BioExplorer. Easy to use. Sorry I can't comment on Carmen's systems.

St.Clair

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

[Guest guest]

,Did you simply order those and figure them out yourself from a manual? Or did you receive personal training in their use? Thank you. Also - what changes in the DVD that gives feedback to the client? (volume? on and off? etc.)

LizOn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM, St. Clair <mastclair@...> wrote:

Millie,

Just my 2 cents...I stopped using the nirHEG a long time ago because it was just too frustrating for the client.  I use pirHEG quite a lot in my practice.  My clients especially like that they can watch a commercial DVD as part of the pirHEG training.I have the Pocket, and have had a Pendant in the past.  I can recommend those, with BioExplorer.  Easy to use.  Sorry I can't comment on Carmen's systems.

St.Clair

 

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I believe it was 2005 or there abouts, and I remember taking a workshop at ISNR on HEG. I got the pirHEG first, then moved up to the Pocket and added the nirHEG headband. At the time, I was also training with Pete and was familiar with BE, so that helped. (Although there isn't much 'tweaking' to be done with an HEG design on bioexplorer.)

Personally, I prefer the DVD video to go on and off with the pirHEG. It seems if just the volume goes off, that's not enough incentive.

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . Personally I go nuts when a DVD goes on and off. I'd rather have a neutral tone or pattern I'm trying to control then actual content I've become interested in. (feels like with DVD the mind is " split " between the feedback task and the desire to find out what happens on the DVD). But I guess mileages vary. Interesting that you say your clients prefer the on-off DVD.

I've taken a bunch of EEG classes and always when I get home the problems start, with no ongoing guidance, so I was wondering if HEG is much much easier in that regard or is still a process of trying to get the signal, figuring out the software, etc.

LizOn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:20 AM, St. Clair <mastclair@...> wrote:

Liz,

I believe it was 2005 or there abouts, and I remember taking a workshop at ISNR on HEG.  I got the pirHEG first, then moved up to the Pocket and added the nirHEG headband.  At the time, I was also training with Pete and was familiar with BE, so that helped.  (Although there isn't much 'tweaking' to be done with an HEG design on bioexplorer.)

Personally, I prefer the DVD video to go on and off with the pirHEG.  It seems if just the volume goes off, that's not enough incentive.

 

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

[Guest guest]

I like to use the little video’s or AVI’s that move foreward and

backward along with the increases or decreases in temperature. The feedback is

great but the videos are a little lame for kids. Jeff

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Subject: Re: nIR vs. pIR HEG

Thank you, . Personally I go nuts when a

DVD goes on and off. I'd rather have a neutral tone or pattern I'm trying to

control then actual content I've become interested in. (feels like with DVD the

mind is " split " between the feedback task and the desire to find out

what happens on the DVD). But I guess mileages vary. Interesting that you say

your clients prefer the on-off DVD.

I've taken a bunch of EEG classes and always when I get home the problems

start, with no ongoing guidance, so I was wondering if HEG is much much easier

in that regard or is still a process of trying to get the signal, figuring out

the software, etc.

Liz

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:20 AM, St. Clair <mastclair@...> wrote:

Liz,

I believe it was 2005 or there abouts, and I remember

taking a workshop at ISNR on HEG. I got the pirHEG first, then moved

up to the Pocket and added the nirHEG headband. At the time, I was also

training with Pete and was familiar with BE, so that helped. (Although

there isn't much 'tweaking' to be done with an HEG design on bioexplorer.)

Personally, I prefer the DVD video to go on

and off with the pirHEG. It seems if just the volume goes off, that's not

enough incentive.

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,

I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice

for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post

which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my

purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types

of children.

Thanks,

Millie

[Guest guest]

I have used brightness control and sound control on DVDs with good success. The start stop (I do just eeg not HEG) on an eeg signal was reported by clients to be too disruptive. One person I know uses the size function and reports it works well.I have a design snippet that I can share that shows how to set the brightness change to a more proportional form, The video makes an initial drop in brightness then continues to slowly darken until the thresholds are met again. The same setup can be used for sound and size as well. georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com On Jun 21, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Margoshes wrote:Thank you, . Personally I go nuts when a DVD goes on and off. I'd rather have a neutral tone or pattern I'm trying to control then actual content I've become interested in. (feels like with DVD the mind is "split" between the feedback task and the desire to find out what happens on the DVD). But I guess mileages vary. Interesting that you say your clients prefer the on-off DVD.I've taken a bunch of EEG classes and always when I get home the problems start, with no ongoing guidance, so I was wondering if HEG is much much easier in that regard or is still a process of trying to get the signal, figuring out the software, etc.LizOn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:20 AM, St. Clair <mastclair@...> wrote:Liz,I believe it was 2005 or there abouts, and I remember taking a workshop at ISNR on HEG. I got the pirHEG first, then moved up to the Pocket and added the nirHEG headband. At the time, I was also training with Pete and was familiar with BE, so that helped. (Although there isn't much 'tweaking' to be done with an HEG design on bioexplorer.)Personally, I prefer the DVD video to go on and off with the pirHEG. It seems if just the volume goes off, that's not enough incentive. nIR vs. pIR HEGHello all,I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

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Liz & ,

the DVD start/stop on the pirHEG is not like on the EEG training. It'll play for quite a while, then stop firmly until the temperature catches up, then start again. It's not choppy.

I know there are ways to control the brightness, and size...I've just been happy enough with the start/stop that I haven't explored the other choices.

nIR vs. pIR HEG

Hello all,I'm evaluating bo! th the n IR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie

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mary thanks, I had a feeling that the signal on HEG was different, just didi not know how much. georgemartin@...www.northstarneurofeedback.com On Jun 21, 2009, at 10:39 AM, St. Clair wrote:Liz & ,the DVD start/stop on the pirHEG is not like on the EEG training. It'll play for quite a while, then stop firmly until the temperature catches up, then start again. It's not choppy.I know there are ways to control the brightness, and size...I've just been happy enough with the start/stop that I haven't explored the other choices. nIR vs. pIR HEGHello all,I'm evaluating bo! th the n IR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these types of children.Thanks,Millie--- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! ---

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[Guest guest]

I've only used nIR for HEG- 3 children and a few adults. We've experimented with

all kinds of feedback. For the kids on/off DVD movie or cartoon videos and

games have been motivating for wanting to train and points for success with some

correspondent reward really keeps them involved.

We haven't found the stop/start to be irritating in HEG, but we adjust the

baseline if the trainee has trouble getting above it. nIR HEG is responsive to

the attention so they get quick feedback if they lose attention and can also

bring the HEG level up pretty quickly, and they want to so they can get the

feedback going again.

For a tough to succeed site we have switched to variable size or brightness

feedback.

Rah

>

> Liz & ,

> the DVD start/stop on the pirHEG is not like on the EEG training. It'll play

for quite a while, then stop firmly until the temperature catches up, then start

again. It's not choppy.

> I know there are ways to control the brightness, and size...I've just been

happy enough with the start/stop that I haven't explored the other choices.

>

[Guest guest]

> I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these

> types of children.

Millie,

I've been using pIR HEG with my 9 1/2 year old daughter – a smart little girl

who has a number of different challenges, including dyslexia, attention

problems, organizational difficulties, and problems with expressive language.

The reason I'm posting is to report some encouraging news.

Prior to HEG I had her attention levels tested using IVA+, a computerized

assessment used by professionals in this field. Since beginning HEG we've seen

positive changes at home and at school ... faster reading speed, increased

ability to stay on task, easier time following instructions, expanded use of

vocabulary words, improved organizational ability. I'm aware that standardized

tests don't always reflect the gains that are made via neurofeedback. However

she recently completed her 15th session of pIR HEG and I had a chance for her to

be retested using IVA+.

Before pIR HEG she scored " moderately-to-severely impaired " in terms of

attention, speed of response, and stamina (she'd get very tired between the

beginning and end of the test.) After 15 sessions of pIR HEG her scores for

attention (both visual and auditory) are now " average " and her scores for

stamina and speed have gone from " moderately impaired " into the " superior to

exceptional " range. I'm not saying this to brag – it's with a sense of real

gratitude and relief to get concrete confirmation of what her teacher has been

seeing, and what I've been noticing myself. Regarding impulsivity she still has

a ways to go – her scores actually increased slightly – however we're definitely

headed in the right general direction. At this point the plan is to continue

with HEG and sometime this fall, start with EEG to address remaining concerns.

For training purposes the BioExplorer design we've been using is Pendant_HEG_DVD

Design.bxd, which works for Pendant nIR and pIR devices, and is available for

download on the Pocket-Neurobics website. Once you set the threshold and allow

a few minutes for temperature to stabilize before clicking the Baseline button,

if you click the Focus button the DVD will stop if HEG scores start to decrease.

DVD resumes playing when HEG scores return to the point where it stopped.

What's particularly interesting about my daughter's progress is that in addition

to addressing attention issues, pIR HEG training seems to be " unlocking " gains

she made via previous therapies, including vision therapy, auditory processing

training (AIT) and cognitive skills training (PACE and Master The Code programs)

– where she had measurable gains after treatment but in real life here

improvements weren't nearly as high. For example, she wouldn't be suddenly

reading faster unless her eyes had enough muscular control to move in a straight

line without backtracking, or if she didn't know how to decode the English

language. Now suddenly, after a relatively small number of HEG sessions, things

are easier for her in real life and not just reflected on a test score. I'm

very glad to be able to report such concrete progress -- sincere thanks to Pete

Van Deusen and to my neurofeedback teacher, for their help and support in

getting us to this point.

mom bee

[Guest guest]

awesome mombee! may i ask what amount of time you train? if you want, you can cross-post this to my (alternativehealingpediatrics) group. there are probably at least a few parents and professionals who would find this interesting.

Vicky

From: mom2bee2 <mom2bee2@...>Subject: Re: nIR vs. pIR HEG Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 3:16 PM

> I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these > types of children.Millie,I've been using pIR HEG with my 9 1/2 year old daughter – a smart little girl who has a number of different challenges, including dyslexia, attention problems, organizational difficulties, and problems with expressive language. The reason I'm posting is to report some encouraging news. Prior to HEG I had her attention levels tested using IVA+, a computerized assessment used by professionals in this field. Since beginning HEG we've seen positive changes at home and at school ... faster reading speed, increased ability to stay on task, easier time following instructions, expanded use

of vocabulary words, improved organizational ability. I'm aware that standardized tests don't always reflect the gains that are made via neurofeedback. However she recently completed her 15th session of pIR HEG and I had a chance for her to be retested using IVA+.Before pIR HEG she scored "moderately- to-severely impaired" in terms of attention, speed of response, and stamina (she'd get very tired between the beginning and end of the test.) After 15 sessions of pIR HEG her scores for attention (both visual and auditory) are now "average" and her scores for stamina and speed have gone from "moderately impaired" into the "superior to exceptional" range. I'm not saying this to brag – it's with a sense of real gratitude and relief to get concrete confirmation of what her teacher has been seeing, and what I've been noticing myself. Regarding impulsivity she still has a ways to go – her scores actually increased slightly – however we're

definitely headed in the right general direction. At this point the plan is to continue with HEG and sometime this fall, start with EEG to address remaining concerns.For training purposes the BioExplorer design we've been using is Pendant_HEG_ DVD Design.bxd, which works for Pendant nIR and pIR devices, and is available for download on the Pocket-Neurobics website.. Once you set the threshold and allow a few minutes for temperature to stabilize before clicking the Baseline button, if you click the Focus button the DVD will stop if HEG scores start to decrease. DVD resumes playing when HEG scores return to the point where it stopped. What's particularly interesting about my daughter's progress is that in addition to addressing attention issues, pIR HEG training seems to be "unlocking" gains she made via previous therapies, including vision therapy, auditory processing training (AIT) and cognitive skills training (PACE and Master The Code

programs) – where she had measurable gains after treatment but in real life here improvements weren't nearly as high. For example, she wouldn't be suddenly reading faster unless her eyes had enough muscular control to move in a straight line without backtracking, or if she didn't know how to decode the English language. Now suddenly, after a relatively small number of HEG sessions, things are easier for her in real life and not just reflected on a test score. I'm very glad to be able to report such concrete progress -- sincere thanks to Pete Van Deusen and to my neurofeedback teacher, for their help and support in getting us to this point.mom bee

[Guest guest]

, hi, could you elaborate on " nirHEG being too frustrating for the client " .

I've used it before and I've been thinking if I should get a pirHEG if I go HEG

later... I don't remember being especially frustrated but I was disappointed

that I couldn't get a good signal from the temporals... I'm not sure why, I

didn't have a lot of hair. Can pirHEG be used on the temporals? Thanks.

tommi

>

> Millie,

> Just my 2 cents...I stopped using the nirHEG a long time ago because it was

just too frustrating for the client. I use pirHEG quite a lot in my practice.

My clients especially like that they can watch a commercial DVD as part of the

pirHEG training.

> I have the Pocket, and have had a Pendant in the past. I can recommend those,

with BioExplorer. Easy to use. Sorry I can't comment on Carmen's systems.

> St.Clair

>

> nIR vs. pIR HEG

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my tutoring

practice for children with cognitive and attention issues. In reading Pete's

recent post which outlined the differences, I thought the pIR would be better

for my purposes. I'd welcome any advice as to which system would best for these

types of children.

>

> Thanks,

> Millie

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks St. Clair for the guidance, mom bee for sharing the encouraging

results, and all others who added to this thread. I ordered the pIR HEG as well

as HeartMath and am excited to begin training with some of my clients. I'm

hoping the parents of my clients will be more receptive to these modalities than

they have been to neurofeedback. Not only may these be an ice breaker for

neurofeedback, but at the very least, will help the kids I tutor be more

successful.

I will be adding HEG and HeartMath to my web page and would be appreciative of

any research or links that support the efficacy of these modalities with

education.

All the best,

Millie

[Guest guest]

Millie,I would be so appreciative if you could report back re:setting up your HEG unit. How long it took, did you need help, what DVD you use, etc.  If you can do this by yourself, I might be emboldened to throw some more money into this enterprise (what did you get, the pendant + Bioexplorer? or did you already have Bioexplorer?)   thanks

LizOn Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Millie <millzone@...> wrote:

Thanks St. Clair for the guidance, mom bee for sharing the encouraging results, and all others who added to this thread. I ordered the pIR HEG as well as HeartMath and am excited to begin training with some of my clients. I'm hoping the parents of my clients will be more receptive to these modalities than they have been to neurofeedback. Not only may these be an ice breaker for neurofeedback, but at the very least, will help the kids I tutor be more successful.

I will be adding HEG and HeartMath to my web page and would be appreciative of any research or links that support the efficacy of these modalities with education.

All the best,

Millie

[Guest guest]

Liz- Jeff Carmen is running a workshop on HEG Aug 15th in Keene NY. I purchased his ezpir system which he had ready for me when I attended the workshop and was up in running quite easily by the end of the workshop. I'd recomend the class and the equipment.

Bruce

Re: Re: nIR vs. pIR HEG

Millie,I would be so appreciative if you could report back re:setting up your HEG unit. How long it took, did you need help, what DVD you use, etc. If you can do this by yourself, I might be emboldened to throw some more money into this enterprise (what did you get, the pendant + Bioexplorer? or did you already have Bioexplorer?) thanksLiz

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Millie <millzone> wrote:

Thanks St. Clair for the guidance, mom bee for sharing the encouraging results, and all others who added to this thread. I ordered the pIR HEG as well as HeartMath and am excited to begin training with some of my clients. I'm hoping the parents of my clients will be more receptive to these modalities than they have been to neurofeedback. Not only may these be an ice breaker for neurofeedback, but at the very least, will help the kids I tutor be more successful. I will be adding HEG and HeartMath to my web page and would be appreciative of any research or links that support the efficacy of these modalities with education.All the best,Millie

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce.LizOn Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Bruce Z. Berman <MindFitness@...> wrote:

Liz- Jeff Carmen is running a workshop on HEG Aug 15th in Keene NY. I purchased his ezpir system which he had ready for me when I attended the workshop and was up in running quite easily by the end of the workshop. I'd recomend  the class and the equipment.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Re: Re: nIR vs. pIR HEG

Millie,I would be so appreciative if you could report back re:setting up your HEG unit. How long it took, did you need help, what DVD you use, etc.  If you can do this by yourself, I might be emboldened to throw some more money into this enterprise (what did you get, the pendant + Bioexplorer? or did you already have Bioexplorer?)   thanksLiz

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Millie <millzone@...> wrote:

Thanks St. Clair for the guidance, mom bee for sharing the encouraging results, and all others who added to this thread. I ordered the pIR HEG as well as HeartMath and am excited to begin training with some of my clients. I'm hoping the parents of my clients will be more receptive to these modalities than they have been to neurofeedback. Not only may these be an ice breaker for neurofeedback, but at the very least, will help the kids I tutor be more successful. I will be adding HEG and HeartMath to my web page and would be appreciative of any research or links that support the efficacy of these modalities with education.All the best,Millie

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

I'd go to Jeff Carmen's workshop if I could afford it, but I feel quite certain

that I will do just fine. I purchased the pIR headset and a Pendant HEG

amplifier. Since I purchased the unit from TLC, I won't hesitate to call Pete

if I need support. I already had Bioexplorer as well as the QDS 2 channel Focus

for NF training. I will definately report back as to the ease of setting up and

getting started.

I invested in the HEG equipment as well as HeartMath for a number of reasons:

the training is easy and quick; no assessment, training decisions, prep, or

artifact; and yeilds immediate, positive results. In addition, I feel parents

may be less intimidated by these modalities than they have been with NF. I am

also hoping it will act as a springboard for NF training as I see great

potential for use in educating of some of our most troubled youth.

While it is quite an investment for me at this time, I stongly believe the

results will be well worth it and will make me more well rounded as a trainer.

If you can at all swing it, take that leap of faith and throw your money into

your enterprise. In this life, my only regrets are the what ifs...

Best wishes,

Millie

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks St. Clair for the guidance, mom bee for sharing the encouraging

> > results, and all others who added to this thread. I ordered the pIR HEG as

> > well as HeartMath and am excited to begin training with some of my clients.

> > I'm hoping the parents of my clients will be more receptive to these

> > modalities than they have been to neurofeedback. Not only may these be an

> > ice breaker for neurofeedback, but at the very least, will help the kids I

> > tutor be more successful.

> >

> > I will be adding HEG and HeartMath to my web page and would be appreciative

> > of any research or links that support the efficacy of these modalities with

> > education.

> >

> > All the best,

> > Millie

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

 

I have known of the existence of Jeff's ezpir for about a year now, but besides it being a USB device that is all I know!

 

It is a dedicated, pirHEG only device that plugs straight into a USB port and is compatible with BioExplorer, right?

 

How much is this device?  What communication protocol does it use - i.e. what " device " do you select in BE?

 

Is there any user manual, specifications, pictures or anything else one might be able to download from some website?

 

Regards

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Hi . I once had this type of design but lost it due to HD crash. I'd be

very pleased if you shared this design.

tommi

> >

> >

> >

> > Millie,

> > Just my 2 cents...I stopped using the nirHEG a long time ago because

> > it was just too frustrating for the client. I use pirHEG quite a

> > lot in my practice. My clients especially like that they can watch

> > a commercial DVD as part of the pirHEG training.

> > I have the Pocket, and have had a Pendant in the past. I can

> > recommend those, with BioExplorer. Easy to use. Sorry I can't

> > comment on Carmen's systems.

> > St.Clair

> >

> > nIR vs. pIR HEG

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I'm evaluating both the nIR vs. pIR HEG systems for use in my

> > tutoring practice for children with cognitive and attention issues.

> > In reading Pete's recent post which outlined the differences, I

> > thought the pIR would be better for my purposes. I'd welcome any

> > advice as to which system would best for these types of children.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Millie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> I have known of the existence of Jeff's ezpir for about a year now, but

besides it being a USB device that is all I know! It is a dedicated, pirHEG

only device that plugs straight into a USB port

and is compatible with BioExplorer, right?

The pIR HEG headband that plugs into my Pendant is labelled, " Jeff Carmen's

EZPIR HEG SYSTEM for PN. " Is this what you're referring to? If yes, the EZPIR

is a dedicated pirHEG device that connects to a Pendant, and the Pendant

communicates to a wireless device called a dongle, which is plugged into a USB

port.

What I'm trying to say is that an amplifier is needed for the EZPIR that I have,

it doesn't plug directly into the USB port. If there's another type of EZPIR

available, please let us know,

mom bee

[Guest guest]

Pete,I'd like to know what I need to order to do the pIR HEG: can you specify the various items? do I need the whole BioExplorer software package (there was something said about some specific HEG designs that come with the equipment - are those " stand-alones " or are they add-ons to the Bioexplorer software?

ThanksLizOn Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:49 PM, mom2bee2 <mom2bee2@...> wrote:

> I have known of the existence of Jeff's ezpir for about a year now, but besides it being a USB device that is all I know! It is a dedicated, pirHEG only device that plugs straight into a USB port

and is compatible with BioExplorer, right?

The pIR HEG headband that plugs into my Pendant is labelled, " Jeff Carmen's EZPIR HEG SYSTEM for PN. " Is this what you're referring to? If yes, the EZPIR is a dedicated pirHEG device that connects to a Pendant, and the Pendant communicates to a wireless device called a dongle, which is plugged into a USB port.

What I'm trying to say is that an amplifier is needed for the EZPIR that I have, it doesn't plug directly into the USB port. If there's another type of EZPIR available, please let us know,

mom bee

[Guest guest]

Liz,You needAn HEG pIR Pendant with headset ($1040) (http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=30)

This includes a " protocol " for use in BioExplorer that will perform the HEG training.BioExplorer (without the QuickStart package) ($383)(http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=5)

This will deliver everything you need (only shipping is additional).  When you get the package, set up a time to get online with Foxx (foxx@...) or me (pvdtlc@...), and we'll walk you through the installation and get you started.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Margoshes <drmargoshes@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what I need to order to do the pIR HEG: can you specify the various items? do I need the whole BioExplorer software package (there was something said about some specific HEG designs that come with the equipment - are those " stand-alones " or are they add-ons to the Bioexplorer software?

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Thank you, pete.LizOn Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

Liz,You needAn HEG pIR Pendant with headset ($1040) (http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=30)

This includes a " protocol " for use in BioExplorer that will perform the HEG training.BioExplorer (without the QuickStart package) ($383)(http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=5)

This will deliver everything you need (only shipping is additional).  When you get the package, set up a time to get online with Foxx (foxx@...) or me (pvdtlc@...), and we'll walk you through the installation and get you started.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160

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The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Margoshes <drmargoshes@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what I need to order to do the pIR HEG: can you specify the various items? do I need the whole BioExplorer software package (there was something said about some specific HEG designs that come with the equipment - are those " stand-alones " or are they add-ons to the Bioexplorer software?