Re: There is no such thing as N.T (edited for error)

[Guest guest]

What does the last sentence mean?

Uhura

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another sentence)

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> N.T is just a confusing thing to me.. Though serves to hold the

psycho-social construct of aspieness to the parallel of Typicality

only.

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> If I was a parent and had an A.S child he/she wouldn't be taught

such things. To me it only separates.. There is no such thing as A.S

or Aspie either just a person without the in-depth cultural

reasoning's of the label.

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> I'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from

psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-

psychopathological effects of this group mentality.

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> Given the conceptual dualisms of the N.T and A.S concepts.

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[Guest guest]

I'm not sure I am trying to come up with the words to explain my thoughts and it doesn’t always work. There is what A.S is conceptually and what an N.T is conceptually but it is used socially to define realities of people. Prior to its inclusion in the mind and when it’s learned there are differences in how the mind may operate in relation to how it perceives of others.

It is one of those questions based on observation of others online that I find interesting. A social- complex? Or is it by bringing up such topics another is therefore considered an N.T?

pierce407720032003 <sacornelius@...> wrote:

What does the last sentence mean? Uhura> > (had to do it again as there was a spelling error so I added another sentence)> > > > N.T is just a confusing thing to me.. Though serves to hold the psycho-social construct of aspieness to the parallel of Typicality only.> > > > If I was a parent and had an A.S child he/she wouldn't be taught such things. To me it only separates.. There is no such thing as A.S or Aspie either just a person without the in-depth cultural reasoning's of the label.> > > > I'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from psychological professionals on the board concerning the

socio-psychopathological effects of this group mentality. > > > > Given the conceptual dualisms of the N.T and A.S concepts.> > > > - (labeled A.S)FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

[Guest guest]

I'm not really how many of us actually hate NTs. So the most part I don't hate them. Rather I almost pity them that their lives are so needlessly complex and often empty. Sure there are times when they make me angry, but for the most part I just try to ignore them.

[Guest guest]

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I've had some anthropology, psychology and educational psychology

classes during teacher training in college.

All I can say is that when one group collectivizes and the shuns

another group of people, history has shown that if the shunned group

is the minority, it is advantageous for them to huddle up with all

spears pointing outward " wagon wheel " fashion to guard themsleves

from any potential attacks from the main group.

That is what appears to have happened between AS people and NTs. AS

people didn't WANT it this way. We are the shunned group. If we had

it OUR way, we would prefer integration with the main group...but on

our own terms, something the main group will not allow.

Tom

I'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from

psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-

psychopathological effects of this group mentality.

[Guest guest]

Something about it just doesn’t seem right though. I can’t really put it in words however I understand that it is used to create the group and collective mentality. What about for those whom hate N.T’s.

I notice you use “we” as to represent others. Is the “we” functioning as the collective impression of others that you have integrated within your mind?

I don’t believe in such group mentalities, it is difficult to accept as well as grasp. I’ve read about group dynamics, sociology, Freud and Jung it is very easy stuff but in how I brought this topic up it seems as if there is more of a collective delusion\illusion of the true reality of what either or is.

I’m concerned because it seems some of those labeled with A.S have made the N.T concept apart of there methods of perceiving the world. When truly the self is always unique and never alike of course and as for N.T’s there is no such thing because neurologically we are all different. So it is like bringing together those with similarities calling it a minority and inventing how it is others that are N.T are, it serves only to incite delusions of persecution perhaps.

To say that all groups or primary group or any group wont allow something because the “we” function as a collective type wont be allowed is fuzzy intellectually.

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

,I've had some anthropology, psychology and educational psychology classes during teacher training in college.All I can say is that when one group collectivizes and the shuns another group of people, history has shown that if the shunned group is the minority, it is advantageous for them to huddle up with all spears pointing outward "wagon wheel" fashion to guard themsleves from any potential attacks from the main group. That is what appears to have happened between AS people and NTs. AS people didn't WANT it this way. We are the shunned group. If we had it OUR way, we would prefer integration with the main group...but on our own terms, something the main group will not allow.TomI'm not a

parent though, but would like additional comments from psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-psychopathological effects of this group mentality. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

[Guest guest]

In a way there are no differences - we are all human - now I'm about

to condradict myslelf :-) there are differences - there are

similarities - theirin lies the paradox - you can chose to see

either - or both or none.

People generally see what they want to see - it's all constructs at

the end of the day - just convienent(sp?) terms.

My son has often asked why we have names for things; like why is a

table called a table etc. To my thinking it is the convienence of

being able to relate to said object, person whatever - but yet again

they are all constructs created by humans.

How are we defined? - by our names, labels? by our actions, deeds? or

are we defined by who we really are? and in relation to what? and

does it really matter?

Think of me what you will - you are entitled to your own opinion -

but at the end of the day I know me better than anyone else and more

purely so without relation to others.

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> I'm not sure I am trying to come up with the words to explain my

thoughts and it doesn't always work. There is what A.S is

conceptually and what an N.T is conceptually but it is used socially

to define realities of people. Prior to its inclusion in the mind and

when it's learned there are differences in how the mind may

operate

in relation to how it perceives of others.

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>

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> It is one of those questions based on observation of others online

that I find interesting. A social- complex? Or is it by bringing up

such topics another is therefore considered an N.T?

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[Guest guest]

Although I get the gist of what you are saying there are some

comments I wish to make - and am about to :-)

" ...it serves only to incite delusions of persecution perhaps. "

Not all pesecution is dellusion - is it? I also feel that those whom

have delusions of persecution are probably quite capbable(sp?)

of coming up with those delusions without the help of another - for

surely dellusions are in the mind?

" To say that all groups or primary group or any group wont allow

something because the " we " function as a collective type wont

be allowed is fuzzy intellectually. "

I am sure there are many groups that disallow things and even have

rules saying so - and even more so there are the unwritten often

unspoken rules of 'you don't fit in' kind of thing. I personally have

always pushed the boundaries and questioned such things - but that is

just me :-)

Some groups do seem more accepting than others - I think that is

largely to do with individuals that make up the group and my personal

perspective too :-) For example this group seems a fairly accepting

group and will alow for disagreements - but will not allow personal

attacks - flamewars - or heated debates to get out of hand. Although

I suppose you could argue - what is the definition of 'getting out of

hand' when is it going too far? etc. People can get passsionate about

the things they believe and beliefs and opinions can be strong - I

try to keep an open mind - but even I have triggers and some things

will get to me too - I try however to remain rational about it and

feel when emotions come into play that they just interfere with

reasoning and logic - although I am sure emotions have there part to

play in things too :-)

Sorry if this has ended up rather rambling :-)

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> I'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from

> psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-

> psychopathological effects of this group mentality.

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> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

Something about it just doesn’t seem right though. I can’t really put it in words however I understand that it is used to create the group and collective mentality. What about for those whom hate N.T’s.

I notice you use “we” as to represent others. Is the “we” functioning as the collective impression of others that you have integrated within your mind?

That is an interesting question . I also feel kind of weird when anyone starts to put words in the mouth of 'we'. Especially when the 'we' is about something I am having something to do with. I was labelled Asperger, so I am supposed to be part of 'we'?

I don’t believe in such group mentalities, me neither

it is difficult to accept as well as grasp. I’ve read about group dynamics, sociology, Freud and Jung it is very easy stuff but in how I brought this topic up it seems as if there is more of a collective delusion\illusion of the true reality of what either or is.

I’m concerned because it seems some of those labeled with A.S have made the N.T concept apart of there methods of perceiving the world. When truly the self is always unique yes!! and never alike of course and as for N.T’s there is no such thing because neurologically we are all different. Right. So it is like bringing together those with similarities calling it a minority and inventing how it is others that are N.T are, it serves only to incite delusions of persecution perhaps.

To say that all groups or primary group or any group wont allow something because the “we” function as a collective type wont be allowed is fuzzy intellectually.

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

,I've had some anthropology, psychology and educational psychology classes during teacher training in college.All I can say is that when one group collectivizes and the shuns another group of people, history has shown that if the shunned group is the minority, it is advantageous for them to huddle up with all spears pointing outward "wagon wheel" fashion to guard themsleves from any potential attacks from the main group. That is what appears to have happened between AS people and NTs. AS people didn't WANT it this way. We are the shunned group. If we had it OUR way, we would prefer integration with the main group...but on our own terms, something the main group will not allow.TomI'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-psychopathological effects of this group mentality. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

[Guest guest]

Most of what you are typing makes sense. It is not a popular thing to say N.T doesn’t exist because for some a great deal of mental energy goes into it. I see N.T everywhere in these groups and I wonder why.. Prior I had no concept of N.T.

I'm trying to see how to do advocacy without creating problems, such as working with certain types of delusion.

The core of it comes down to this.. N.T and A.S

Something about it just doesn’t seem right.. It's a gut feeling as I have heard said which I found out means "something doesn’t seem right about it"

Delusions I will explain in another post with respects to this. I am trying to be very careful with how I proceed in a rather large project I am working for advocacy while making sure I don’t habituate certain thought styles that are not healthy as to not use (X) thought style to support (Y) types of beliefs. This is where the N.T belief comes in, all things other then A.S are N.T or so I have observed..

yes not all delusions are bad things but what I think I'm trying to articulate is delusion in the shared sense, sort of like a mind virus. Within a group exists beliefs that are either true or false, a false belief is delusion. Combine this with persecutory beliefs and there is trouble of some kind.

I will try other ways of viewing this conceptually and seek what is best.

Pesecution can be evident yes and its effects on the mind are adverse. I'm still unclear what it is even for myself I would want from society as a person with A.S. thus to help others I would need to know what it is that is needed.

greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote:

Although I get the gist of what you are saying there are some comments I wish to make - and am about to :-)"...it serves only to incite delusions of persecution perhaps."Not all pesecution is dellusion - is it? I also feel that those whom have delusions of persecution are probably quite capbable(sp?) of coming up with those delusions without the help of another - for surely dellusions are in the mind? "To say that all groups or primary group or any group wont allow something because the "we" function as a collective type wontbe allowed is fuzzy intellectually."I am sure there are many groups that disallow things and even have rules saying so - and even more so there are the unwritten often unspoken rules of 'you don't fit in' kind of thing. I personally have always pushed the boundaries and questioned such

things - but that is just me :-)Some groups do seem more accepting than others - I think that is largely to do with individuals that make up the group and my personal perspective too :-) For example this group seems a fairly accepting group and will alow for disagreements - but will not allow personal attacks - flamewars - or heated debates to get out of hand. Although I suppose you could argue - what is the definition of 'getting out of hand' when is it going too far? etc. People can get passsionate about the things they believe and beliefs and opinions can be strong - I try to keep an open mind - but even I have triggers and some things will get to me too - I try however to remain rational about it and feel when emotions come into play that they just interfere with reasoning and logic - although I am sure emotions have there part to play in things too :-)Sorry if this has ended up rather rambling

:-)> > I'm not a parent though, but would like additional comments from > psychological professionals on the board concerning the socio-> psychopathological

effects of this group mentality. > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." > > > > --------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

" Pesecution can be evident yes and its effects on the mind are

adverse. I'm still unclear what it is even for myself I would want

from society as a person with A.S. thus to help others I would need

to know what it is that is needed. "

Acceptance? Understanding would be nice too - but probably harder

come by - possibly the patience to try and understand. Any effort to

understand would surely be appreciated if one keeps an open mind?

I think I get what you are saying about NT and AS - it seems a bit

like them versus us scenario - placing barriers, creating blocks

rather than unity and working together there is division. Am I on the

right lines here to your " something about it just doesn't seem

right.. " phrase?

> Although I get the gist of what you are saying there are some

> comments I wish to make - and am about to :-)

>

> " ...it serves only to incite delusions of persecution perhaps. "

>

> Not all pesecution is dellusion - is it? I also feel that those

whom

> have delusions of persecution are probably quite capbable(sp?)

> of coming up with those delusions without the help of another - for

> surely dellusions are in the mind?

>

> " To say that all groups or primary group or any group wont allow

> something because the " we " function as a collective type wont

> be allowed is fuzzy intellectually. "

>

> I am sure there are many groups that disallow things and even have

> rules saying so - and even more so there are the unwritten often

> unspoken rules of 'you don't fit in' kind of thing. I personally

have

> always pushed the boundaries and questioned such things - but that

is

> just me :-)

>

> Some groups do seem more accepting than others - I think that is

> largely to do with individuals that make up the group and my

personal

> perspective too :-) For example this group seems a fairly accepting

> group and will alow for disagreements - but will not allow personal

> attacks - flamewars - or heated debates to get out of hand.

Although

> I suppose you could argue - what is the definition of 'getting out

of

> hand' when is it going too far? etc. People can get passsionate

about

> the things they believe and beliefs and opinions can be strong - I

> try to keep an open mind - but even I have triggers and some things

> will get to me too - I try however to remain rational about it and

> feel when emotions come into play that they just interfere with

> reasoning and logic - although I am sure emotions have there part

to

> play in things too :-)

>

> Sorry if this has ended up rather rambling :-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

My mother is an NT too as is her whole family. All of my friends are NT as well. The people who work for me are NT.

Is the term NT discrimination? No.

The term was developed by those few who are actually study AS as a means to describe the majority of people. It simply means that they are the standard model.

Some of us on here might have a lower opinion of NTs, but that's karma: NTs have often made our lives miserable, so it is hard to expect us to be really fond of them.

As I said, I don't hate them as a whole. Rather I tolerate their behavior as much as possible, but it is good to get away from them.

[Guest guest]

greebohere

Acceptance? Understanding would be nice too - but probably harder come by - possibly the patience to try and understand. Any effort to understand would surely be appreciated if one keeps an open mind?

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Yes, for instance understanding from employers so one can be employed without overloading from people. Quality of life therefore is something that is improved through awareness and through awareness comes rights through understanding, so accommodation.

-------------------------------------------------------------I think I get what you are saying about NT and AS - it seems a bit like them versus us scenario - placing barriers, creating blocks rather than unity and working together there is division. Am I on the right lines here to your "something about it just doesn't seem right.. " phrase?

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I've noticed that some don’t like unity, they fight it.. But without it a cause is nothing.

I think you are grasping most of what I had intended to say, the feeling that something is not right something is wrong has more to do with the group to individual subconscious collective that was / is re-enforced by the N.T concept. "N.T" as a concept, is something that is not real. It is something that is hardened in the psyche through constant influence via a group and its shared belief of.

What is and is not of is seldom based upon non-fact and I’m unable to process un-factual materials without trying to figure it out.

Open mind..

I have heard "don't trip over your open mind" Sometimes minds can be too open and or too closed. Though I have no measure of what is proper concerning just how open or close.

sort of confussing..

[Guest guest]

If there are no 'NTs', does that mean there are no aspies as well? It

would be nice to have unity, to not have to deal with labels at all,

but there are distinct differences between people on the spectrum and

people not on the spectrum ('NTs'). I have felt these differences my

whole life. They're real. Some of the so-called 'typical' people have

been kind and understanding about it. Some have been cruel and

judgmental. Therefore, I can't possibly see them as all the same. I

don't judge someone on the basis of being 'NT' or not, I judge them

by how they treat me. I do think the word 'typical' sounds a bit

insulting, as if to say, we are special and you are not. An

implication that all NTs typify one thing, or all aspies typify one

thing, can't possibly be accurate. The human mind is way too diverse.

This is the harm in labelling people, and why I don't use these terms

outside of aspie forums. Saying 'NT' here just often seems like a

handy shortcut to express a thought.

Kitty

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> greebohere

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> Acceptance? Understanding would be nice too - but probably harder

> come by - possibly the patience to try and understand. Any effort

to

> understand would surely be appreciated if one keeps an open mind?

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------

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> Yes, for instance understanding from employers so one can be

employed without overloading from people. Quality of life therefore

is something that is improved through awareness and through awareness

comes rights through understanding, so accommodation.

>

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>

> I think I get what you are saying about NT and AS - it seems a bit

> like them versus us scenario - placing barriers, creating blocks

> rather than unity and working together there is division. Am I on

the

> right lines here to your " something about it just doesn't seem

> right.. " phrase?

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------

>

> I've noticed that some don't like unity, they fight it.. But

without it a cause is nothing.

>

> I think you are grasping most of what I had intended to say, the

feeling that something is not right something is wrong has more to do

with the group to individual subconscious collective that was / is re-

enforced by the N.T concept. " N.T " as a concept, is something that is

not real. It is something that is hardened in the psyche through

constant influence via a group and its shared belief of.

>

> What is and is not of is seldom based upon non-fact and I'm unable

to process un-factual materials without trying to figure it out.

>

>

>

> Open mind..

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>

>

> I have heard " don't trip over your open mind " Sometimes minds can

be too open and or too closed. Though I have no measure of what is

proper concerning just how open or close.

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>

>

> sort of confussing..

[Guest guest]

N.T is more so a format of speaking then a real thing.

The only true and relevant statement of typicality is that one is typical to themselves.

Giving persons the label N.T to place varied emotion to and end the cross-labeling. Its like a cult belief, it’s like a religious or a club saying.

It comes down to two things.

One, I have A.S

Two, Therefore normal people are N.T.

There is no such thing as normal or typical.

Being, feeling and really knowing one is different in life one desires to hang onto the hidden reality of these things perhaps. As for the construct of the group and its mechanisms of belief N.T is required as the outside comparison, so that persons can relate at this unique level.

The only thing that exists is yourself and others not what N.T has been fashioned to be because that represents all else aside those that share commonalities.

Also as for spectrum that is dual meaning, one is light the other is broadened and general though similar.

I wont be apart of this autism culture, I don’t fit in just like I didn’t in school and I wouldn’t want a child of mine if I ever was a father to know of such terms or beliefs of others.

For a good 20% of those I have been witness to they place there flustrations, hate, dismay or other emotions into the mental compartment stored as N.T. I can't help but see through this stuff, if people dont like it and want nothing to do with me becuase of it so be it.

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[Guest guest]

This is a very good point. I think instinctively, though, people

have a desire to identify with others most like them in some way. I

was born in America to parents who were born in America but my

parents consider themselves English, German, Danish, Swedish,

Russian, and Irish.

Why?

A person might say that they are describing their heritage, but in

fact that is what they consider themselves.

They further quantify themselves in other ways. Ask them what

religions they are and my dad will say agnostic. My mother will

say " Missouri Synod Lutheran. " Not " Christian, " not " Lutheran, " but

Missouri Synod Lutheran.

What we do by publically labeling ourselves is hold out a signpost

that says " what I call myself comes closest to what qualities

describe me. " And the advantage is that people who have a similar

list of attributes will be attracted to you because of commonalities.

The disadvantage is that integration among those who wear dissimilar

signposts increases as people form groups.

The question is, who formed the groups first and for what purpose?

AS people were always social outcasts until they started finding

each other over the net. THEN they began banding together, and it

was through this banding and bonding that they began to form an

identity. Now we're all excited about it which I think is a good

thing. As long as it doesn't become something like Aspie militancy,

then I think we are fine.

Tom

I'm concerned because it seems some of those labeled with A.S have

made the N.T concept apart of there methods of perceiving the world.

When truly the self is always unique and never alike of course and

as for N.T's there is no such thing because neurologically we are

all different. So it is like bringing together those with

similarities calling it a minority and inventing how it is others

that are N.T are, it serves only to incite delusions of persecution

perhaps.

[Guest guest]

Just look at some of the deep conversations we've all had here and ask

yourself when the last time was that you've heard NTs having such

conversations.

It seems like AS people are able to establish very deep social bonds

among themselves fairly quickly even if they cannot establish many

social bonds to speak of with society at large.

I believe this is because AS people tend to simplify their lives for

the sake of reducing stress. Not having toys to play with and all

sorts of social obligation to fulfill means time for intospection and

imagination. This gives us depth -something opposite of the emptiness

and superficiality of Nts.

Tom

Rather I almost pity them that their lives are so needlessly complex

and often empty. Sure there are times when they make me angry, but for

the most part I just try to ignore them.

[Guest guest]

I notice that we get into long drawn out discussion and speculation

about NT social behavior and why it is they act the way they do.

What I keep getting from NTs is that people like us need to change to

be like them or else to be doped up on meds.

One has to ask how long I and others like me should put up with such

shallow and insulting comments. You don't see AS people lobbying the

psychiatric profession to drug or lock away NTs.

Tom

" Pesecution can be evident yes and its effects on the mind are

adverse. I'm still unclear what it is even for myself I would want

from society as a person with A.S. thus to help others I would need

to know what it is that is needed. "

Acceptance? Understanding would be nice too - but probably harder

come by - possibly the patience to try and understand. Any effort to

understand would surely be appreciated if one keeps an open mind?

[Guest guest]

All you are doing is sterotyping people. My MOM is an N.T its discrimination!environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

Just look at some of the deep conversations we've all had here and ask yourself when the last time was that you've heard NTs having such conversations.It seems like AS people are able to establish very deep social bonds among themselves fairly quickly even if they cannot establish many social bonds to speak of with society at large.I believe this is because AS people tend to simplify their lives for the sake of reducing stress. Not having toys to play with and all sorts of social obligation to fulfill means time for intospection and imagination. This gives us depth -something opposite of the emptiness and superficiality of Nts.TomRather I almost pity them that their lives are so needlessly complex and often empty. Sure there are times when they

make me angry, but for the most part I just try to ignore them. FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

[Guest guest]

My mother is too .

I don't see it as discrimination. I see it as descriptive. A tiger is

a tiger and a lion is a lion, each with their own patterns and

personalities, but both cats.

I don't see a problem.

Tom

All you are doing is sterotyping people. My MOM is an N.T its

discrimination!

[Guest guest]

Does this mean that there is no AS or autism either? Or just that

there is no direct 'opposite' of autism? I think I understand your

point, but this is the one aspect I'm not getting.

Kitty

>

> N.T is more so a format of speaking then a real thing.

>

>

>

> The only true and relevant statement of typicality is that one is

typical to themselves.

>

>

>

> Giving persons the label N.T to place varied emotion to and end

the cross-labeling. Its like a cult belief, it's like a religious or

a club saying.

>

>

>

> It comes down to two things.

>

>

>

> One, I have A.S

>

> Two, Therefore normal people are N.T.

>

>

>

> There is no such thing as normal or typical.

>

>

>

> Being, feeling and really knowing one is different in life one

desires to hang onto the hidden reality of these things perhaps. As

for the construct of the group and its mechanisms of belief N.T is

required as the outside comparison, so that persons can relate at

this unique level.

>

>

>

> The only thing that exists is yourself and others not what N.T has

been fashioned to be because that represents all else aside those

that share commonalities.

>

>

>

> Also as for spectrum that is dual meaning, one is light the other

is broadened and general though similar.

>

>

>

>

>

> I wont be apart of this autism culture, I don't fit in just like I

didn't in school and I wouldn't want a child of mine if I ever was a

father to know of such terms or beliefs of others.

>

>

>

> For a good 20% of those I have been witness to they place there

flustrations, hate, dismay or other emotions into the mental

compartment stored as N.T. I can't help but see through this stuff,

if people dont like it and want nothing to do with me becuase of it

so be it.

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All people are doing is saying certain people are this way and A.S is different.

it's so very obvious what your saying is not true.. N.T's are not superficial just the people you have been witness to might be. Not in general it is a sterotype.

Your filling the minds of children on the list with this false N.T belief, its not real, its not true and I know your wrong!

you are WRONG.

environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote:

My mother is too .I don't see it as discrimination. I see it as descriptive. A tiger is a tiger and a lion is a lion, each with their own patterns and personalities, but both cats. I don't see a problem.TomAll you are doing is sterotyping people. My MOM is an N.T its discrimination!FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

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Self-observe, you are seperating yourself from the rest of humanity with these false N.T beliefs..

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Autism exists but you as an individual existed before you were diagnosed.. Before the concept of autism was in your mind you still had A.S or Autism. I just know deep down that this N.T stuff is bad..It's not good becuase I can see in my mind what it has done to people.. I cant explain it.Kitty <catgrrl522@...> wrote:

Does this mean that there is no AS or autism either? Or just that there is no direct 'opposite' of autism? I think I understand your point, but this is the one aspect I'm not getting.Kitty> > N.T is more so a format of speaking then a real thing. > > > > The only true and relevant statement of typicality is that one is typical to themselves.> > > > Giving persons the label N.T to place varied emotion to and end the cross-labeling. Its like a cult belief, it's like a religious or a club saying.> > > > It comes down to two things.> > > > One, I have A.S> > Two, Therefore normal people

are N.T.> > > > There is no such thing as normal or typical.> > > > Being, feeling and really knowing one is different in life one desires to hang onto the hidden reality of these things perhaps. As for the construct of the group and its mechanisms of belief N.T is required as the outside comparison, so that persons can relate at this unique level.> > > > The only thing that exists is yourself and others not what N.T has been fashioned to be because that represents all else aside those that share commonalities.> > > > Also as for spectrum that is dual meaning, one is light the other is broadened and general though similar. > > > > > > I wont be apart of this autism culture, I don't fit in just like I didn't in school and I wouldn't want a child of mine if I ever

was a father to know of such terms or beliefs of others.> > > > For a good 20% of those I have been witness to they place there flustrations, hate, dismay or other emotions into the mental compartment stored as N.T. I can't help but see through this stuff, if people dont like it and want nothing to do with me becuase of it so be it.> > > > -FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

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, I have yet to encounter a neurotypical person who is not

superficial. Maybe other people here have, but I have not.

My past personal and business dealings caused me to have contact with

many neurotypicals in all sorts of different settings and I have not

experienced collectively over the span of 36 years the sort of

conversational depth that I see in the forum in one week's time.

Does this make NT's bad? No. It menans they are different. " NT " is

merely a descriptive word, just as " Aspie " is.

Tom

It's so very obvious what your saying is not true.. N.T's are not

superficial just the people you have been witness to might be. Not in

general it is a sterotype.

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I was already seperated before I ever heard terms like 'NT' or

even 'Asperger'. Whether that's good or bad I can't say. It's just me.

I don't like labels either. Perhaps I have fallen into a pattern of

using labels and this is something I need to think about.

Kitty

> Self-observe, you are seperating yourself from the rest of humanity

with these false N.T beliefs..