RE: Medical Uses of the Pill, alternatives -- public and physician education

[Guest guest]

Steve,The Bishop of Richmond, Va, in Oct 2011, sponsored just such a low-budget, one-day (Sat) CME for health professionals and public (and priests!), as you suggest. Modest turnout, but it is a start. Some " preaching to the choir. " If this occurred all over, across the country, and many times a year -- then we might see a broader acceptance. , MDSVFPRFront Royal, Va From: Steve Koob [mailto:koob_8@...]Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 07:39 PM < > Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Hi Drs Les and ,Thank you for your persistence in pushing the " birth control pill is not good medicine " message. That cannot be said often enough. And thank you for offering real alternatives for diagnostic and treatment of real problems. I saw/heard Dr Les' presentation--inPhoenix at CMA Conference, I think. It was excellent.A few comments: Dr Les, your presentation probably needs some explanation to be fully comprehensible to the non-medical viewer. Is there an audio file or word file that could accompany the PPP? Dr , given your BOMA perspective, is there need for a companion (or alternative/supplementary) resource? " I regularly challenge practitioners to provide . . . " is a great statement. We (OMS) would be happy to post your resources at our web site. We could create a " page " for " Alternatives to the BC Pill " . There could be links to your own sites and to PPPs and videos, etc. Dr Lili Bejarano, MD, MPH, FCP, FCMC, authored an " Alternatives to the BC Pill " pamphlet available from OMS--http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html. It is quite popular! The presentations at the " Make Straight the Pathway " Catholic Health Care Conference (Christus Medicus Foundation, San Francisco, 29-31 Mar 2012) can be viewed at www.OneMoreSoul.com/sanfrancisco. All the presentations are excellent and should be widelyviewed-IMHO! Bishop Vasa describes his successful efforts to provide uniquely Catholic health care plans in three dioceses. Drs Davenport and Tom Hilgers cover NaProTech; Right of Conscience & Religious Freedom are addressed by Doerflinger andothers; Tom McCenna displayed a first-class relic and presented on Saint ; Dr Paddy Jim Baggot and Tim von Dohlen described their inner city outreaches to a combination of women (abortion-vulnerable and others) in LA and Austin TX, respectively; and,Gene Diamond again gave his amazing presentation on the fully Catholic health care provided by Franciscan Alliance hospitals in NW Indiana. Their very respectable profit margin proves that being authentically Catholic is not an impediment to viability, infact, it's an asset. Finally, there is a hunger for knowledge. Three day conferences provided by CMF and CMA and AAFCP are great, but they are once/year, time and money consuming, and don't begin to fill the need. [i chatted with Ann Krupka today about this very needin Chicago.] How can we offer low budget, one-day, local events with CME/U credits for health care professionals and the general public?I and OMS exist to serve you. What do you need/want?Thanks for all you do. May the Lord bless you abundantly.Steve Koob937-626-0027 c From: lruppersberger@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:03 -0400Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of VelezSent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminatethese far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinkerthe mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time ismoney. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol,insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but thattheir doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT thepill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practiceauthentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us. W. , M.D., FACOGobdoc2000@... Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real andexisting problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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Steve, and I both participated in the Richmond event and it was well received, albeit as noted there was some preaching to the choir. Therefore, we also need to focus on reaching physicians who would never attend one of the conferences you mentioned below. To do so, we should seek opportunities to present the information, including secular medical meetings, and we must have solid scientific evidence to support our statements.For the last 3 years I have presented an overview of modern fertility awareness based methods of family planning at a regional family medicine meeting, reaching people that have never heard about or would even consider recommending these methods, with some positive results. One attendee came up after my talk, saying that even though she served on the Board of Planned Parenthood, she had never heard of these methods and wanted to learn more. It's a small step for sure, but it's a startI may have mentioned this before, but as part of the FACTS group, we have created a CME presentation that we are working to standardized so we can train others to give the talk as well. I have already given it a couple or times and since it is already approved for CME credit I can give it again for CME credit before January 2013. We would also like to make it into a webinar to make it more readily available, but we need funds to do that.For anyone interested in learning more, please feel free to contact me.Respectfully,Dr. Marguerite DuaneSent from my iPhoneltOn Jun 8, 2012, at 9:19 PM, ", " <fdennehy@...> wrote:

Steve,

The Bishop of Richmond, Va, in Oct 2011, sponsored just such a low-budget, one-day (Sat) CME for health professionals and public (and priests!), as you suggest. Modest turnout, but it is a start. Some "preaching to the choir."

If this occurred all over, across the country, and many times a year -- then we might see a broader acceptance.

, MD

SVFPR

Front Royal, Va

From: Steve Koob [mailto:koob_8@...]

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 07:39 PM

< >

Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill

Hi Drs Les and ,

Thank you for your persistence in pushing the "birth control pill is not good medicine" message. That cannot be said often enough. And thank you for offering real alternatives for diagnostic and treatment of real problems. I saw/heard Dr Les' presentation--in

Phoenix at CMA Conference, I think. It was excellent.

A few comments:

Dr Les, your presentation probably needs some explanation to be fully comprehensible to the non-medical viewer. Is there an audio file or word file that could accompany the PPP?

Dr , given your BOMA perspective, is there need for a companion (or alternative/supplementary) resource? "I regularly challenge practitioners to provide . . . " is a great statement.

We (OMS) would be happy to post your resources at our web site. We could create a "page" for "Alternatives to the BC Pill". There could be links to your own sites and to PPPs and videos, etc.

Dr Lili Bejarano, MD, MPH, FCP, FCMC, authored an "Alternatives to the BC Pill" pamphlet available from OMS--http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html. It is quite popular!

The presentations at the "Make Straight the Pathway" Catholic Health Care Conference (Christus Medicus Foundation, San Francisco, 29-31 Mar 2012) can be viewed at www.OneMoreSoul.com/sanfrancisco. All the presentations are excellent and should be widely

viewed-IMHO! Bishop Vasa describes his successful efforts to provide uniquely Catholic health care plans in three dioceses. Drs Davenport and Tom Hilgers cover NaProTech; Right of Conscience & Religious Freedom are addressed by Doerflinger and

others; Tom McCenna displayed a first-class relic and presented on Saint ; Dr Paddy Jim Baggot and Tim von Dohlen described their inner city outreaches to a combination of women (abortion-vulnerable and others) in LA and Austin TX, respectively; and,

Gene Diamond again gave his amazing presentation on the fully Catholic health care provided by Franciscan Alliance hospitals in NW Indiana. Their very respectable profit margin proves that being authentically Catholic is not an impediment to viability, in

fact, it's an asset.

Finally, there is a hunger for knowledge. Three day conferences provided by CMF and CMA and AAFCP are great, but they are once/year, time and money consuming, and don't begin to fill the need. [i chatted with Ann Krupka today about this very need

in Chicago.] How can we offer low budget, one-day, local events with CME/U credits for health care professionals and the general public?

I and OMS exist to serve you. What do you need/want?

Thanks for all you do. May the Lord bless you abundantly.

Steve Koob

937-626-0027 c

From: lruppersberger@...

Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:03 -0400

Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill

Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Velez

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM

Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

and ,

Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.

Fr.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate

these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker

the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud.

They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time is

money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol,

insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that

their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the

pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings,

Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax:

(386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: <obdoc2000@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March

1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice

authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and

existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

\tÃ-$— ÛçDCÀcı«L¬“M8‘D<∂

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SteveMy slides were intended for a medical audience and it was taped in Vancouver a few weeks ago at the Canadian Catholic Med Assn meeting and may be on there website but I have no audio or word file that accompanies the PPP.  Sorry.Les From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of , Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:19 PM' 'Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill, alternatives -- public and physician education Steve,The Bishop of Richmond, Va, in Oct 2011, sponsored just such a low-budget, one-day (Sat) CME for health professionals and public (and priests!), as you suggest. Modest turnout, but it is a start. Some " preaching to the choir. " If this occurred all over, across the country, and many times a year -- then we might see a broader acceptance. , MDSVFPRFront Royal, Va From: Steve Koob [mailto:koob_8@...] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 07:39 PM < > Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Hi Drs Les and ,Thank you for your persistence in pushing the " birth control pill is not good medicine " message. That cannot be said often enough. And thank you for offering real alternatives for diagnostic and treatment of real problems. I saw/heard Dr Les' presentation--in Phoenix at CMA Conference, I think. It was excellent.A few comments: Dr Les, your presentation probably needs some explanation to be fully comprehensible to the non-medical viewer. Is there an audio file or word file that could accompany the PPP? Dr , given your BOMA perspective, is there need for a companion (or alternative/supplementary) resource? " I regularly challenge practitioners to provide . . . " is a great statement. We (OMS) would be happy to post your resources at our web site. We could create a " page " for " Alternatives to the BC Pill " . There could be links to your own sites and to PPPs and videos, etc. Dr Lili Bejarano, MD, MPH, FCP, FCMC, authored an " Alternatives to the BC Pill " pamphlet available from OMS--http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html. It is quite popular! The presentations at the " Make Straight the Pathway " Catholic Health Care Conference (Christus Medicus Foundation, San Francisco, 29-31 Mar 2012) can be viewed at www.OneMoreSoul.com/sanfrancisco. All the presentations are excellent and should be widely viewed-IMHO! Bishop Vasa describes his successful efforts to provide uniquely Catholic health care plans in three dioceses. Drs Davenport and Tom Hilgers cover NaProTech; Right of Conscience & Religious Freedom are addressed by Doerflinger and others; Tom McCenna displayed a first-class relic and presented on Saint ; Dr Paddy Jim Baggot and Tim von Dohlen described their inner city outreaches to a combination of women (abortion-vulnerable and others) in LA and Austin TX, respectively; and, Gene Diamond again gave his amazing presentation on the fully Catholic health care provided by Franciscan Alliance hospitals in NW Indiana. Their very respectable profit margin proves that being authentically Catholic is not an impediment to viability, in fact, it's an asset. Finally, there is a hunger for knowledge. Three day conferences provided by CMF and CMA and AAFCP are great, but they are once/year, time and money consuming, and don't begin to fill the need. [i chatted with Ann Krupka today about this very need in Chicago.] How can we offer low budget, one-day, local events with CME/U credits for health care professionals and the general public?I and OMS exist to serve you. What do you need/want?Thanks for all you do. May the Lord bless you abundantly.Steve Koob937-626-0027 c From: lruppersberger@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:03 -0400Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of VelezSent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us. W. , M.D., FACOGobdoc2000@... Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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Preaching to the choir is good because it reinforces and most important, brings people together for networking, collaborating, energizing, etc. From: mduanemd@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:51:06 -0400Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill, alternatives -- public and physician education Steve, and I both participated in the Richmond event and it was well received, albeit as noted there was some preaching to the choir. Therefore, we also need to focus on reaching physicians who would never attend one of the conferences you mentioned below. To do so, we should seek opportunities to present the information, including secular medical meetings, and we must have solid scientific evidence to support our statements.For the last 3 years I have presented an overview of modern fertility awareness based methods of family planning at a regional family medicine meeting, reaching people that have never heard about or would even consider recommending these methods, with some positive results. One attendee came up after my talk, saying that even though she served on the Board of Planned Parenthood, she had never heard of these methods and wanted to learn more. It's a small step for sure, but it's a startI may have mentioned this before, but as part of the FACTS group, we have created a CME presentation that we are working to standardized so we can train others to give the talk as well. I have already given it a couple or times and since it is already approved for CME credit I can give it again for CME credit before January 2013. We would also like to make it into a webinar to make it more readily available, but we need funds to do that.For anyone interested in learning more, please feel free to contact me.Respectfully,Dr. Marguerite DuaneSent from my iPhoneltOn Jun 8, 2012, at 9:19 PM, ", " <fdennehy@...> wrote: Steve,The Bishop of Richmond, Va, in Oct 2011, sponsored just such a low-budget, one-day (Sat) CME for health professionals and public (and priests!), as you suggest. Modest turnout, but it is a start. Some "preaching to the choir."If this occurred all over, across the country, and many times a year -- then we might see a broader acceptance. , MDSVFPRFront Royal, Va From: Steve Koob [mailto:koob_8@...]Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 07:39 PM < > Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Hi Drs Les and ,Thank you for your persistence in pushing the "birth control pill is not good medicine" message. That cannot be said often enough. And thank you for offering real alternatives for diagnostic and treatment of real problems. I saw/heard Dr Les' presentation--inPhoenix at CMA Conference, I think. It was excellent.A few comments: Dr Les, your presentation probably needs some explanation to be fully comprehensible to the non-medical viewer. Is there an audio file or word file that could accompany the PPP? Dr , given your BOMA perspective, is there need for a companion (or alternative/supplementary) resource? "I regularly challenge practitioners to provide . . . " is a great statement. We (OMS) would be happy to post your resources at our web site. We could create a "page" for "Alternatives to the BC Pill". There could be links to your own sites and to PPPs and videos, etc. Dr Lili Bejarano, MD, MPH, FCP, FCMC, authored an "Alternatives to the BC Pill" pamphlet available from OMS--http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html. It is quite popular! The presentations at the "Make Straight the Pathway" Catholic Health Care Conference (Christus Medicus Foundation, San Francisco, 29-31 Mar 2012) can be viewed at www.OneMoreSoul.com/sanfrancisco. All the presentations are excellent and should be widelyviewed-IMHO! Bishop Vasa describes his successful efforts to provide uniquely Catholic health care plans in three dioceses. Drs Davenport and Tom Hilgers cover NaProTech; Right of Conscience & Religious Freedom are addressed by Doerflinger andothers; Tom McCenna displayed a first-class relic and presented on Saint ; Dr Paddy Jim Baggot and Tim von Dohlen described their inner city outreaches to a combination of women (abortion-vulnerable and others) in LA and Austin TX, respectively; and,Gene Diamond again gave his amazing presentation on the fully Catholic health care provided by Franciscan Alliance hospitals in NW Indiana. Their very respectable profit margin proves that being authentically Catholic is not an impediment to viability, infact, it's an asset. Finally, there is a hunger for knowledge. Three day conferences provided by CMF and CMA and AAFCP are great, but they are once/year, time and money consuming, and don't begin to fill the need. [i chatted with Ann Krupka today about this very needin Chicago.] How can we offer low budget, one-day, local events with CME/U credits for health care professionals and the general public?I and OMS exist to serve you. What do you need/want?Thanks for all you do. May the Lord bless you abundantly.Steve Koob937-626-0027 c From: lruppersberger@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:03 -0400Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of VelezSent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminatethese far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinkerthe mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time ismoney. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol,insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but thattheir doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT thepill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practiceauthentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us. W. , M.D., FACOGobdoc2000@... Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real andexisting problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. V√©lez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com\tÃ-$— ÛçDCÀcı«L¬“M8‘D<∂

[Guest guest]

Very true, Steve. I'd like to think that such efforts also educates and trains the choir so they can sing better and with confidence. Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and

existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

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In a way, we are all EMTs or marines--and they are constantly training when not at a scene or at the front. From: famlifecor@...Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:28:14 -0400Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill, alternatives -- public and physician education Very true, Steve. I'd like to think that such efforts also educates and trains the choir so they can sing better and with confidence. Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real andexisting problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. V√©lez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com\tÃ-$— ÛçDCÀcı«L¬“M8‘D<∂