new to the group

September 24, 2003

Hi Pamela,

What kind of band did your son get? You said they used a scanner so

am I correct in assuming it is a STARband?

My son was banded on 8/26 and we had multiple adjustments in the

first 3 weeks, trying to get a perfect fit. I have an appt next

week for a scheduled adjustment and I know that some more changes

need to happen. We have only been in it full time for 1 and 1/2

weeks now.

My only advice is to keep doing what is right for Luke. Don't

settle for anything less that what you feel is right. Keep on

keepin' on...It's not an easy road, but we will find that the

rewards are worth it (eventually!)

This is a great place to get support and advice and I am sure you

will get a lot of both from the members of this group.

Good luck!

- mom to Aidan STARbanded 8/026/03

GR MI

--- In Plagiocephaly , " pfrunner2003 " <PFrunner@a...>

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> My son got his band Sept. 19th. After 3 adjustments the orthodist

> was not happy with the fit, neither was I. The first time he used

a

> plaster mold, this time he took a computer image. Hopefully this

> band will fit better. I am using Hanger in NYC. Any advice or

> experience anyone can offer will be gladly received. Thanks in

> advance.

> Pamela

> Luke's mom

September 25, 2003

I am sorry you have having trouble with the fit of the band. It it is great that the ortho is being proactive about getting another band with a better fit. Please let us know when the new band comes in. Welcome to the group.

Angie and Jenna(STARband grad 1/21/03)

Hi All,My son got his band Sept. 19th. After 3 adjustments the orthodist was not happy with the fit, neither was I. The first time he used a plaster mold, this time he took a computer image. Hopefully this band will fit better. I am using Hanger in NYC. Any advice or experience anyone can offer will be gladly received. Thanks in advance.PamelaLuke's momFor more plagio info

September 25, 2003

Pamela, hi and welcome to the group!! Hopefully this second band

will do the trick. Please keep us posted on how things are going.

Dustie

--- In Plagiocephaly , " pfrunner2003 " <PFrunner@a...>

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> My son got his band Sept. 19th. After 3 adjustments the orthodist

> was not happy with the fit, neither was I. The first time he used

a

> plaster mold, this time he took a computer image. Hopefully this

> band will fit better. I am using Hanger in NYC. Any advice or

> experience anyone can offer will be gladly received. Thanks in

> advance.

> Pamela

> Luke's mom

October 16, 2003

Jodi.. I take it your daughter had no vaccines and you are not rh -

and you don't have any fillings and never eat fish?

My son was more lead poisioned when his test came back-- because the

body can distingish between calcium and lead..

Read the files here to find out about testing .

Ann

October 16, 2003

> Jodi.. I take it your daughter had no vaccines and you are not rh -

and you don't have any fillings and never eat fish? My son was more

lead poisioned when his test came back-- because the body can

distingish between calcium and lead.. Read the files here to find

out about testing . Ann >>

No vaccines, no fish, no fillings. I am rh-, but how would having a

negative blood type cause metals? That doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry to seem so ignorant, I'm really new to this

I haven't found anything in the files so far that has answered my

questions. Can you suggest the file you were recommending?

Thanks

Sve by grace

jodi

><}}}>

October 16, 2003

> No vaccines, no fish, no fillings. I am rh-, but how would having a

> negative blood type cause metals? That doesn't make sense to me.

Becuase of thimerosal in RhoGam shots. (thimerosal = mercury)

> Sorry to seem so ignorant, I'm really new to this

nothing wrong with not knowing. most people don't.

> I haven't found anything in the files so far that has answered my

> questions. Can you suggest the file you were recommending?

the hair test one is here:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

I'm not sure if something else besides this was being suggested.

That's what I get for answering when someone else made the

suggestion, but anyway, there is that link anyhow.

Moria

October 16, 2003

In a message dated 17/10/2003 03:14:37 GMT Daylight Time,

a4givensinner@... writes:

> Wow! I'm really sooo ignorant, I don't even understand that

> website. I just dont' know the lingo. Maybe this group is too

> advanced for me! *grin*

>

Lots of us felt that way Jodi - stick with us - " we're worth it " LOL

Mandi in UK

October 16, 2003

> Becuase of thimerosal in RhoGam shots. (thimerosal = mercury) >>>

I never had rhogam shots.

> the hair test one is here:

>

> /files/HOW_TO_hair_test

>

> I'm not sure if something else besides this was being suggested.

> That's what I get for answering when someone else made the

> suggestion, but anyway, there is that link anyhow.>>>

Wow! I'm really sooo ignorant, I don't even understand that

website. I just dont' know the lingo. Maybe this group is too

advanced for me! *grin*

SVd by grace

jodi

><}}}>

October 16, 2003

> Hi. My name is Jodi, and I am new to this group. My 5yo daughter

> has an autism/PDD-NOS diagnosis. She is in ST, OT, and on a GFCF

> diet. I'm looking at testing her for metals, althought more to rule

> it out than anything, but I may be surpriesd, and I am open to that

> possibility.

>

> That having been said, from what little I know, my daughter has had

> very little exposure to anything. Never the less, (as with

> everything else we do *grin*) I would still like to become a " mini-

> expert " in this area, and was wondering if someone would be able to

> help walk me through it.

>

> I guess the place to start is the beginning..testing. I know

> Doctor's Data does testing, and that Great Plains does testing. Can

> someone tell me if there are other places that are frequently used by

> parents?

>

> Also, I have heard hair tests, and urine tests. Can someone explain

> (in real basic terms here) the pro's/con's of each. Also, are there

> blood tests that can be done?

Blood tests: generally shows current or recent exposure. Many

doctors think it shows overall body burden. So the big risk with

blood tests is misinterpretation. As in 'oh, see here, your kid

is just fine.' Not necessarily.

Urine and fecal tests (which can also be called " excretion tests " ):

1. many false positives and false negatives.

2. many practitioners recommend " challenge " tests. This usually

means giving an unsafely large dose in an also unsafe timing

method.

You can read more about testing here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

Look for sections about " determining toxicity " .

>

> That is good for now...like I said, I'm starting VERY beginning with

> all this, and appreciate the help and patience of you for helping me

> through this. (My thanks offered in advance!)

You may want to also consider some of the books listed here:

/files/Books_about_autism

I recommend different ones for different purposes, depends

what you are looking for.

good wishes,

Moria

October 16, 2003

i;m lost many times to.....just read and jump in when you can

[ ] Re: New to the group

> Becuase of thimerosal in RhoGam shots. (thimerosal = mercury) >>>

I never had rhogam shots.

> the hair test one is here:

>

> /files/HOW_TO_hair_test

>

> I'm not sure if something else besides this was being suggested.

> That's what I get for answering when someone else made the

> suggestion, but anyway, there is that link anyhow.>>>

Wow! I'm really sooo ignorant, I don't even understand that

website. I just dont' know the lingo. Maybe this group is too

advanced for me! *grin*

SVd by grace

jodi

><}}}>

October 16, 2003

Hi Jodi,

Start with doing a hair elements test (the elements bit is important, don't just

do the toxic one) with DDI. Then post it on the list if you need help

interpreting it. By the way, my son is mercury toxic entirely due to mercury

from my amalgam fillings which he picked up in the womb and through breast

feeding.

All the best,

Dagmar.

[ ] New to the group

Hi. My name is Jodi, and I am new to this group. My 5yo daughter

has an autism/PDD-NOS diagnosis. She is in ST, OT, and on a GFCF

diet. I'm looking at testing her for metals, althought more to rule

it out than anything, but I may be surpriesd, and I am open to that

possibility.

That having been said, from what little I know, my daughter has had

very little exposure to anything. Never the less, (as with

everything else we do *grin*) I would still like to become a " mini-

expert " in this area, and was wondering if someone would be able to

help walk me through it.

I guess the place to start is the beginning..testing. I know

Doctor's Data does testing, and that Great Plains does testing. Can

someone tell me if there are other places that are frequently used by

parents?

Also, I have heard hair tests, and urine tests. Can someone explain

(in real basic terms here) the pro's/con's of each. Also, are there

blood tests that can be done?

That is good for now...like I said, I'm starting VERY beginning with

all this, and appreciate the help and patience of you for helping me

through this. (My thanks offered in advance!)

Svd by grace

jodi

><}}}>

October 17, 2003

Stick with us Jodie, there's no better place to learn You need the files

section, a bit at a time and then come back to the posts and shout if it

doesn't make sense. Did you get the FAQ when you joined?, its a good place to

start

MAndi in UK

> Does anyone here know of a good place for a beginner to learn the

> basics about metal testing/chelation? THis group is too advanced for

> a beginner like me, and I am not getting anything out of it. But

> with so many experts, I'm hoping someone knows a good place to start.

>

> Thanks

> jodi

>

October 17, 2003

Hello Jodie

> What I know is this: Some kids are high in metals, even when there

> is no obvious exposure...(vaccines, etc).

>>Correct

There is some way to test

> for this, (hair, etc) and there are differences in those ways that

> make some better than others.

>>>Correct

There are different labs that do the

>

> tests, some prefered more than others.

>>>Correct - see how much you know already!!!!!!!!!

What those differences are, I > have no idea.

>>>DDI is preferred for hair testing as Andy Cutler has calculated 'Counting

Rules' for that format and tange of information. These rules help diagnose

'disordered mineral transport' which is one of the problems that Mercury causes.

With this info you can assess the probablity of whether Mercury is an issue,

Its not for everybody

>

> I like to make decisions for my daughter, and not just robotically

> follow what a doctor tells me to do.

>>Me too - sensible plan

There is little I would like

>

> more than to have the tests done, and find out I need to worry about

> nothing. But I know enough to know that some tests do not give

> accurate results, and I wouldn't even know.

>>>Depends on what you mean, Andy feels hair tests are very helpful in

deciding whether this is an issue but don;t expect to be seeing Mercury on the

result - it hides, that why we look for the problems it might cause. We all have

heavy metals, it show good our body is at getting rid of them that is the issue

here. Challenge/urine/blood tests can be misleading. Hair test is relatively

cheap and totally painless.

I don't feel educated > enough to justify making a decision on even getting

> the testing done

> yet.

>>Don't worry, go at your own pace but the beauty of the hair test is you

don;t need a doctor to take it or one to analyse it - people here will help you

HTH

Mandi in UK

October 17, 2003

Does anyone here know of a good place for a beginner to learn the

basics about metal testing/chelation? THis group is too advanced for

a beginner like me, and I am not getting anything out of it. But

with so many experts, I'm hoping someone knows a good place to start.

Thanks

jodi

> Hi. My name is Jodi, and I am new to this group. My 5yo daughter

> has an autism/PDD-NOS diagnosis. She is in ST, OT, and on a GFCF

> diet. I'm looking at testing her for metals, althought more to

rule

> it out than anything, but I may be surpriesd, and I am open to that

> possibility.

>

> That having been said, from what little I know, my daughter has had

> very little exposure to anything. Never the less, (as with

> everything else we do *grin*) I would still like to become a " mini-

> expert " in this area, and was wondering if someone would be able to

> help walk me through it.

>

> I guess the place to start is the beginning..testing. I know

> Doctor's Data does testing, and that Great Plains does testing.

Can

> someone tell me if there are other places that are frequently used

by

> parents?

>

> Also, I have heard hair tests, and urine tests. Can someone

explain

> (in real basic terms here) the pro's/con's of each. Also, are

there

> blood tests that can be done?

>

> That is good for now...like I said, I'm starting VERY beginning

with

> all this, and appreciate the help and patience of you for helping

me

> through this. (My thanks offered in advance!)

>

> Svd by grace

> jodi

> ><}}}>

October 17, 2003

> Does anyone here know of a good place for a beginner to learn the

> basics about metal testing/chelation? THis group is too advanced for

> a beginner like me, and I am not getting anything out of it. But

> with so many experts, I'm hoping someone knows a good place to start.

>

> Thanks

> jodi

This is the best I know of. That doesn't mean there aren't

better options, but this is the best I know of.

Here are a few intros about mercury that may be some help:

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm

/files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ

It also depends somewhat on what aspect you are interested in.

If you are interested more in exposures or vaccine issues,

there are other things I'd recommend.

You also might try reading Dr. McCandless' book (Children

with Starving Brains). It is NOT just about chelation,

it covers lots of stuff.

Can you say anything more about what you want to learn?

good wishes,

Moria

October 17, 2003

>>> It is NOT just about chelation, it covers lots of stuff... Can

you say anything more about what you want to learn? >>>

Chelation is about 100 steps beyond where I am at!

Say you meet someone who has lived in the jungle, and never seen a

car in his life. He asks you " What is that " ? You tell him " It's a

car, you use it to get places without having to walk. "

Facinated, he asks you to teach him about it. You are a mechanic,

and you go into an extremly informative lecture on how to change the

oil, rotate the tires, all the basic things anyone with a car needs

to know.

But what you don't tell him is how to open the door, turn the key on,

or use the gas petal.

So even though he has the head knowledge of how to maintain the

vehicle, without the basics, it really doesn't matter, because he

can't drive it to begin with.

That is how I'm feeling reading these posts. I'm sure this is all

good information, but it's soooo far beyond what I know that I am

totally lost. DSMA...ABCD I might get them mixed up, I might not.

I'm not sure what DSMA is. I'm barely grasping chelation.

What I know is this: Some kids are high in metals, even when there

is no obvious exposure...(vaccines, etc). There is some way to test

for this, (hair, etc) and there are differences in those ways that

make some better than others. There are different labs that do the

tests, some prefered more than others. What those differences are, I

have no idea.

I like to make decisions for my daughter, and not just robotically

follow what a doctor tells me to do. There is little I would like

more than to have the tests done, and find out I need to worry about

nothing. But I know enough to know that some tests do not give

accurate results, and I wouldn't even know. I don't feel educated

enough to justify making a decision on even getting the testing done

yet.

The " Incredibly new newbie "

jodi

><}}}>

October 17, 2003

> >>> It is NOT just about chelation, it covers lots of stuff... Can

> you say anything more about what you want to learn? >>>

>

> Chelation is about 100 steps beyond where I am at!

>

> Say you meet someone who has lived in the jungle, and never seen a

> car in his life. He asks you " What is that " ? You tell him " It's a

> car, you use it to get places without having to walk. "

trust my, you don't have to finish the example. I totally

understand that this phenomenon exists. I've been describing

it for years Really. I'm not exaggerating!

This is a reason that is well-known-to-me that technical

and/or knowledageble people SOMETIMES are not the best

choices for teachers/lecturers/explainers/etc.

> That is how I'm feeling reading these posts.

Well, a lot of them are going to sound that way. See, we

have a group here for people all kinds of people interested

in cars. Some are mechanics, some are learning to drive,

some have just heard of automotive transportation and want

to know more. You may have to ignore some posts. Or,

take it differently -- instead of trying to understand

the POINT or issues the posts discusses (something about

what type of oil is best to use for cross country trips

vs for in-town driving, but only if you have a foreign

car, unless it is also very cold where you live....)

Ignore all those details--- maybe you can at least get

the idea that " people here have opinions about car oil " .

Okay. Good. That is something you can get out of it

even if you are from the jungle.

> I'm sure this is all

> good information, but it's soooo far beyond what I know that I am

> totally lost. DSMA...ABCD I might get them mixed up, I might not.

> I'm not sure what DSMA is. I'm barely grasping chelation.

Okay, what DMSA IS you can find out (very brief idea) here:

/files/Glossary

The glossary is not perfect, but you could try reading it

over once every few days. Just read what interests you.

Skip stuff that is alienating or incomprehensible. This

will really work over time. Same thing in ANDY_INDEX.

There is a lot in there, but just read what is interesting.

Like, maybe you could read about sources of mercury exposure

if that interests you.

>

> What I know is this: Some kids are high in metals, even when there

> is no obvious exposure...(vaccines, etc). There is some way to test

> for this, (hair, etc) and there are differences in those ways that

> make some better than others. There are different labs that do the

> tests, some prefered more than others. What those differences are, I

> have no idea.

Have you read this:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

Also, vaccines count as OBVIOUS EXPOSURE, at least in my book.

Same with amalgam fillings. These 2 are the MOST obvious sources

of exposure, to me.

I realize I have not totally satisfied your questions, but I'm

hoping that what I've said is enough to add a bit to your store

of both understanding and new questions.

Other ideas on testing: read the sections in ANDY_INDES about

" determining toxicity " .

> I like to make decisions for my daughter, and not just robotically

> follow what a doctor tells me to do. There is little I would like

> more than to have the tests done, and find out I need to worry about

> nothing. But I know enough to know that some tests do not give

> accurate results, and I wouldn't even know. I don't feel educated

> enough to justify making a decision on even getting the testing done

> yet.

I am not sure how to say this that will be both clear and " nice "

(or at least not appear mean). I don't feel the least bit mean

about this, it is just a tough subject. Mercury tox, mercury

detox, mercury testing, mercury chelation: all of these are

HIGHLY controversial topics with MANY MANY MANY MANY different

opinions. LOTS of conflicting opinions. So, at every turn,

you get to decide: do I want to really understand the testing

options? how deeply do I want to understand? or shall I try

this way here? who shall I rely on? how MUCH do I want to try

to verify their opinion? If you want to verify everything

completely, it will be a very long very hard road. At the

same time, of course, you may not want to verify nothing.

It is all very complex and cumbersome. A lot of people don't

like it. Some people complain that is SHOULD all be simple,

or that the authorities SHOULD all agree so that it would

not be so scary. Very sorry, this is not how it is.

So, I've given you information that I think is very helpful

about how to test your kid. (HOW_TO_hair_test). Now, you

can go read 100 other opinions if you want.

Not sure how much this addresses your questions.

But do keep posting questions.

And, do keep reading posts, files, URLs, books.

I don't think we can make it all totally easy--- you still

have to absorb all this, to whatever depth you want.

It is a lot.

good wishes,

Moria

October 17, 2003

ok I can help some. hair tests will show what the body is holding on to and

releasing (in many cases you have to add on some points in a way of speaking to

get accurate results on this one called the counting rules I believe), blood

tests will show resent exposures and many will argue this isn't a good one to do

to back track on. or you can do what is called a urine challenge test which is

taking a chelator and then measuring what comes out in the urine. problem with

this one is that you can't usually tell on mercury I believe because it is one

of the last to come out. you can do the challenge with hair and get a pretty

good picture. we are also new and I feel very overwhelmed. do you have a DAN

dr that can talk to you about all this better. ours has helped greatly with

explaining thing. a chelator takes what is binding to our Childs organs and

looseness them up so they come out in urine sweet ect like they are suppose to

and some how our kids have shut that ability off. we have had good luck with

zinc supplementation at night to take out extra copper, and glutathione to catch

free floating metals and junk. I'm not really sure what all it took out but his

urine and sweet was discussing smelling for weeks. so it did something with it.

there are all kinds of ways to have exposer to metals, water, fillings in the

mouth, mom breast feeding and having fillings in her mouth, or having fillings

made by metals and being pregnant. having RH- or + shots, vaccinations,

thermometers exploding breaking ect. carpets and or binds in windows put off

metals, children's mattresses and play pens can give metal over loads and the

list goes on. Im going to mail you some charts that might help you some

christel king

[ ] Re: New to the group

>>> It is NOT just about chelation, it covers lots of stuff... Can

you say anything more about what you want to learn? >>>

Chelation is about 100 steps beyond where I am at!

Say you meet someone who has lived in the jungle, and never seen a

car in his life. He asks you " What is that " ? You tell him " It's a

car, you use it to get places without having to walk. "

Facinated, he asks you to teach him about it. You are a mechanic,

and you go into an extremly informative lecture on how to change the

oil, rotate the tires, all the basic things anyone with a car needs

to know.

But what you don't tell him is how to open the door, turn the key on,

or use the gas petal.

So even though he has the head knowledge of how to maintain the

vehicle, without the basics, it really doesn't matter, because he

can't drive it to begin with.

That is how I'm feeling reading these posts. I'm sure this is all

good information, but it's soooo far beyond what I know that I am

totally lost. DSMA...ABCD I might get them mixed up, I might not.

I'm not sure what DSMA is. I'm barely grasping chelation.

What I know is this: Some kids are high in metals, even when there

is no obvious exposure...(vaccines, etc). There is some way to test

for this, (hair, etc) and there are differences in those ways that

make some better than others. There are different labs that do the

tests, some prefered more than others. What those differences are, I

have no idea.

I like to make decisions for my daughter, and not just robotically

follow what a doctor tells me to do. There is little I would like

more than to have the tests done, and find out I need to worry about

nothing. But I know enough to know that some tests do not give

accurate results, and I wouldn't even know. I don't feel educated

enough to justify making a decision on even getting the testing done

yet.

The " Incredibly new newbie "

jodi

><}}}>

October 17, 2003

>>> This is a reason that is well-known-to-me that technical and/or

knowledageble people SOMETIMES are not the best choices for

teachers/lecturers/explainers/etc. >>>

I agree. Hope things all go well with you all! Bye!

jodi

><}}}>

October 17, 2003

Jodi-- did you see my separate post to you-- just email me and I will

send you my write-up that explains some of the basic basics of

chelating. Just click on my addy below

maryandphilip@...

I don't see a message from you so maybe that addy isn't working--then

try my work addy

maryw@...

In the meantime, consider that just about all of us were as new as

you, not understanding what the heck everyone was talking about.

Like I said, eventually, things start to make sense. Don't leave the

board though because what little you are able to pick out of the

messages right now is probably going to save you a lot of grief later

on. If you don't understand the basics, then you might be given an

improper protocol by a doctor and then you end up making your child

feel worse. So at least stay on just to simply see what people are

using/doing. Again, send me an email privately and I'll send you my

write-up on how I figured out what chelation means, what to use, some

things to read, etc.

W

>> >> That is how I'm feeling reading these posts. I'm sure this is

all

> good information, but it's soooo far beyond what I know that I am

> totally lost. DSMA...ABCD I might get them mixed up, I might

not.

> I'm not sure what DSMA is. I'm barely grasping chelation.

>

October 17, 2003

Hi Jodi,

I remember that I started from this article

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm

Another good place to start is Mercury-Autism FAQ in the Files

section of this group.

Margaret

> > Hi. My name is Jodi, and I am new to this group. My 5yo

daughter

> > has an autism/PDD-NOS diagnosis. She is in ST, OT, and on a GFCF

> > diet. I'm looking at testing her for metals, althought more to

> rule

> > it out than anything, but I may be surpriesd, and I am open to

that

> > possibility.

> >

> > That having been said, from what little I know, my daughter has

had

> > very little exposure to anything. Never the less, (as with

> > everything else we do *grin*) I would still like to become

a " mini-

> > expert " in this area, and was wondering if someone would be able

to

> > help walk me through it.

> >

> > I guess the place to start is the beginning..testing. I know

> > Doctor's Data does testing, and that Great Plains does testing.

> Can

> > someone tell me if there are other places that are frequently

used

> by

> > parents?

> >

> > Also, I have heard hair tests, and urine tests. Can someone

> explain

> > (in real basic terms here) the pro's/con's of each. Also, are

> there

> > blood tests that can be done?

> >

> > That is good for now...like I said, I'm starting VERY beginning

> with

> > all this, and appreciate the help and patience of you for helping

> me

> > through this. (My thanks offered in advance!)

> >

> > Svd by grace

> > jodi

> > ><}}}>

October 17, 2003

Jodi,

Welcome to the list. Some of the experts here were in your shoes not all that

long ago. We've joked on the list that many here could/should have received a

Master's in Toxic Metals and Chelation from all they've learned since joining

the list. If you stick with us, I bet in a couple months you'll be posting a

reply to someone new saying, " I think I know the answer to your question... " We

review a LOT and often on this list.

S

From: moriamerri [mailto: moriam@...]

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:31:33 -0000

Subject: [ ] Re: New to the group

<tt>

> Does anyone here know of a good place for a beginner to learn the

> basics about metal testing/chelation? THis group is too advanced for

> a beginner like me, and I am not getting anything out of it. But

> with so many experts, I'm hoping someone knows a good place to start.

>

> Thanks

> jodi

This is the best I know of. That doesn't mean there aren't

better options, but this is the best I know of.

Here are a few intros about mercury that may be some help:

<a

href= " http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm " >http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm\

</a>

<a

href= " http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm " >http://www.healing-arts.o\

rg/children/holmes.htm</a>

<a

href= " /files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ " >h\

ttp:///group/ /files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ</a>

It also depends somewhat on what aspect you are interested in.

If you are interested more in exposures or vaccine issues,

there are other things I'd recommend.

You also might try reading Dr. McCandless' book (Children

with Starving Brains). It is NOT just about chelation,

it covers lots of stuff.

Can you say anything more about what you want to learn?

good wishes,

Moria

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October 18, 2003

> Does anyone here know of a good place for a beginner to learn the

> basics about metal testing/chelation?

Here is my intro page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

>> THis group is too advanced for

> a beginner like me, and I am not getting anything out of it.

This group is too advanced for me many times also, but I have

successfully chelated my kids because of information I received here,

so don't go away, just ignore the messages that you don't understand.

Then as you begin to understand things, start reading a few of the

" advanced " messages. Soon you will learn more things that may help

your child.

Good luck.

Dana

October 30, 2003

-I just want to welcome you to the group. We are in Missouri. Good

luck with your insurance!

Angie and Jenna(STARband grad)

-- In Plagiocephaly , " kelli mitchetti "

<kgrange@h...> wrote:

> Hi everyone my name is Kelli and I have an 8 month old preemie

() who has plagio and needs to be cast... Just looking to see

if there is anyone elese in the New York area that went to C.P.O.

Consulting in Manhatten, NY... This is where out Dr told us to take

her my only thing now is getting the insurance to approve the

band.. Any advice or words of encouragement is greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> Kelli

October 30, 2003

Hi Kelli & welcome to our group!!

Glad to have you with us. We have many New York members in our group

who I'm sure will reply to you with some local info.. Hopefully at

least one member is familiar with CPO in Manhatten. Hope your ins.

covers the band w/o problems, what ins. do you have?? Keep us posted.

Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad Mich.

> Hi everyone my name is Kelli and I have an 8 month old preemie

() who has plagio and needs to be cast... Just looking to see

if there is anyone elese in the New York area that went to C.P.O.

Consulting in Manhatten, NY... This is where out Dr told us to take

her my only thing now is getting the insurance to approve the band..

Any advice or words of encouragement is greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> Kelli

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