RE: Medical Uses of the Pill

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Dr and Dr Bame,At One More Soul we did a brochure about alternatives to the pill:http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html You can take a look at it and I will be happy to update it with your suggestions.Blessings Liliana Cote de Bejarano MD, MPH, CFCP From: Bame <rbamer2@...> " " < > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:37 AM Subject: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

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Good to know if these uses have been 'off-label' or would we say  'common practice'....or have there been research articles.On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud.

 They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill.  I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings,  Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: <obdoc2000@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

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-- Therese , RN, FCP*

*FertilityCare Practitioner

www.potomacfertility.org

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Thanks Lilliano - i have been on One More Soul dozens of times and have never noticed that excellent pamphlet - i will spread the word. Appreciate the reminder about it!! Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: Liliana Cote de Bejarano <blilicote@...> " " < > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dr and Dr Bame,At One More Soul we did a brochure about alternatives to the pill:http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html You can take a look at it and I will be happy to update it with your suggestions.Blessings Liliana Cote de Bejarano MD, MPH, CFCP From: Bame <rbamer2@...> " " < > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:37 AM Subject: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the

quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

[Guest guest]

and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud.

 They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill.  I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings,  Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: <obdoc2000@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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And I forgot about Liliana's brochure on the subject.On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Velez <jrvg98@...> wrote:

and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.

Fr.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud.

 They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill.  I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings,  Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: <obdoc2000@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Common medical malpractice to the unsuspecting, call contraception something else.  Even some NFP doctors are duped. TomOn Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud.

 They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and

lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill.  I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible.

Blessings,  Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: <obdoc2000@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re:

Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us.

W. , M.D., FACOG

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

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Yes Father Tom and this is precisely why I have argued for defining contraception use as a medical disorder in its own right. It is very Thomistic, anthropologically sound, and scientifically sound as well. Just politically is where it is "incorrect".

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

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405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

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Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

[Guest guest]

Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of VelezSent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us. W. , M.D., FACOGobdoc2000@... Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Drs Les and ,Thank you for your persistence in pushing the "birth control pill is not good medicine" message. That cannot be said often enough. And thank you for offering real alternatives for diagnostic and treatment of real problems. I saw/heard Dr Les' presentation--in Phoenix at CMA Conference, I think. It was excellent.A few comments: Dr Les, your presentation probably needs some explanation to be fully comprehensible to the non-medical viewer. Is there an audio file or word file that could accompany the PPP? Dr , given your BOMA perspective, is there need for a companion (or alternative/supplementary) resource? "I regularly challenge practitioners to provide . . . " is a great statement. We (OMS) would be happy to post your resources at our web site. We could create a "page" for "Alternatives to the BC Pill". There could be links to your own sites and to PPPs and videos, etc. Dr Lili Bejarano, MD, MPH, FCP, FCMC, authored an "Alternatives to the BC Pill" pamphlet available from OMS--http://onemoresoul.com/downloadable-pamphlets/alternatives-to-the-pill.html. It is quite popular! The presentations at the "Make Straight the Pathway" Catholic Health Care Conference (Christus Medicus Foundation, San Francisco, 29-31 Mar 2012) can be viewed at www.OneMoreSoul.com/sanfrancisco. All the presentations are excellent and should be widely viewed-IMHO! Bishop Vasa describes his successful efforts to provide uniquely Catholic health care plans in three dioceses. Drs Davenport and Tom Hilgers cover NaProTech; Right of Conscience & Religious Freedom are addressed by Doerflinger and others; Tom McCenna displayed a first-class relic and presented on Saint ; Dr Paddy Jim Baggot and Tim von Dohlen described their inner city outreaches to a combination of women (abortion-vulnerable and others) in LA and Austin TX, respectively; and, Gene Diamond again gave his amazing presentation on the fully Catholic health care provided by Franciscan Alliance hospitals in NW Indiana. Their very respectable profit margin proves that being authentically Catholic is not an impediment to viability, in fact, it's an asset. Finally, there is a hunger for knowledge. Three day conferences provided by CMF and CMA and AAFCP are great, but they are once/year, time and money consuming, and don't begin to fill the need. [i chatted with Ann Krupka today about this very need in Chicago.] How can we offer low budget, one-day, local events with CME/U credits for health care professionals and the general public?I and OMS exist to serve you. What do you need/want?Thanks for all you do. May the Lord bless you abundantly.Steve Koob937-626-0027 c From: lruppersberger@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:51:03 -0400Subject: RE: Medical Uses of the Pill

Be my guest. Les Ruppersberger From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of VelezSent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill and ,Both Les R. and Davenport have presentations on this which they could send you.Fr. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Dear , if you could write up some of the most common medical uses of the pill (dysmennorhea, PCOS, endometriosis, irregular periods), and the alternate non-pill treatments, perhaps we could disseminate these far and wide, and at least have our talking points ready. I was on the radio yesterday about the StandUp for Freedom Rally (held tomorrow nationwide from 12 to 1), and the #1 call in topic to me was that women out there have bought hook-line-and-sinker the mantra that the pill is a medical treatment. They have equated the pill as medication. Margaret Sanger would be quite proud. They can not fathom the fact that their doctors have used the pill to treat their medical problems because it is the path of least resistance - it leads to the quickest visit, and lets face it - time is money. So, if the patient complains that her periods are irregular and painful, is he/she going to take the substantial time needed to do the right thing and to try to find out which endocrine state she possesses (as has been stated many times - thryoid, cortisol, insulin, stress or adrenal problems) -- or is he going to slap her on the pill in less than 2 minutes? This is the epitome of bad medicine for so many reasons, and we not only need to educate that the pill is not a panacea for these women's problems, but that their doctors need to invest the time into finding out what is the actual underlying problem causing the patient's complaints, and as you say, get to the root of the problem and give them the correct medication or treatment, which is almost always NOT the pill. I think a document produced by OB/GYNs would be far more powerful than one produced by FPs, although i would offer to help in anyway possible. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: <obdoc2000@...> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:24 AMSubject: Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows those with concerns about the deleterious effects on the environment to align with us. W. , M.D., FACOGobdoc2000@... Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Dr Dom, of course you are right. Anything one does--medically, maritally, educationally and politically--that promotes contraception, sterilization, or abortion is against the natural law, the common good, Sacred Scripture, the Law of God, and common sense (pre-20th Century).Blessings on your work.Steve Koob From: pedullad@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:11:14 -0400Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Yes Father Tom and this is precisely why I have argued for defining contraception use as a medical disorder in its own right. It is very Thomistic, anthropologically sound, and scientifically sound as well. Just politically is where it is "incorrect".

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

[Guest guest]

For my part, will work on writing something up. Should also take the opportunity to mention that my practice and BOMA will be hosting a physician's conference in Oklahoma City on July 20-22. Sue Ek has details.

obdoc2000@...

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Re: this topic and related.Next year the Annual Meeting for the American College of Nurse Midwives will be in Nashville, beginning May 30 and runs for 4-5 days or so.Are any of you able to come and present on this topic or on a similar topic? NFP, the Teen Star program, different methods of NFP., etcI think treatment alternatives (ie NOT the pill) are REALLY needed. I must warn you it is a tough audience and you will need to have the research and references to support your talk. Some folks think midwives are all fluff, but be assured they will give you a run for the money and will not let you off easy.I am the chair and Sr. Kay Kramer the vice-chair of our newly formed caucus, "Midwives in Support of Life".Our caucus can recommend speakers, (but I must tell you we have no money to pay for one). We are also there to support and speak for life issues and to support other midwives who are struggling with these things in their practice.If you can help by offering to speak, please let us know, I will direct you where to submit abstracts, outlines, etc! Sandrock, CNMSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

[Guest guest]

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

 

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

" ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

 

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Fr ,It is Dr in Oklahoma City that has the BOMA-based medical expertise, AND please give 95% of the credit for the "Make Straight the Pathway " Conferences to Mike O'Dea and Christus Medicus Foundation. They would never have happenned without his dedication and hard work over three decades.Blessings.Steve From: jrvg98@...Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:21:34 -0700Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Does anyone here know if pediatricians violate any laws when they pull a 14 year old girl away from her parents to ask her private questions regarding her sexuality, alleged sexual behavior, etc., without good reason? One of my God-daughters felt violated by her pediatrician recently when he did this, then pushed them to accept gardasil, despite her being chaste and her mom having told him so.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Velez <jrvg98@...> wrote:

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows tho

[Guest guest]

Hers was on the toxicity of the pill, but what I'm wondering about is an aggressive but entirely justified new approach which makes it a per se diagnosis/pathology.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Velez <jrvg98@...> wrote:

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

I remember when I first became a nurse, an assessment did not include questions about sexual behavior.  However, very quickly, as part of the " sexual activity is normal and should be encouraged/supported " agenda, it soon became a norm to question " sexual health, " including orientation (hetero vs homo), masturbation practices, " protection " used against pregnancy and disease, frequency and type of activity, etc.  It was also stressed that we as providers should be completely non-judgemental about the sexual behavior of our patients.  Now, it is considered negligent if you DON'T question your adolescent patients about their sexual behavior, because the assumption is that they are all engaging in that " normal " sexual behavior, and our job is to help them avoid the consequences of disease or pregnancy.  Of course, it would never occur to anyone that health might actually include abstinence until marriage to avoid these outcomes.  I often wonder why we can't treat the true misuse of sexuality as we would any other public health problem; just think what might happen if society got behind a campaign against the misuse of sex outside of marriage like it has in the campaign against tobacco...

Pam in El Paso

On Jun 9, 2012 3:53 PM, " Dominic Pedulla " <pedullad@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone here know if pediatricians violate any laws when they pull a 14 year old girl away from her parents to ask her private questions regarding her sexuality, alleged sexual behavior, etc., without good reason?  One of my God-daughters felt violated by her pediatrician recently when he did this, then pushed them to accept gardasil, despite her being chaste and her mom having told him so.

Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Velez <jrvg98@...> wrote:

 

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.

Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

 

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

" ...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself. " (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

 

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows tho

[Guest guest]

Fr. , As an FYI, the medical conferences that I have presented at are primarily the Family Medicine Education Consortium meetings in the northeast - Boston, PA, DC. This September, I will hopefully be presenting again in Cleveland, OH. , I would consider presenting an overview of the Modern Fertility Awareness Methods at the mid-wifery conference next year, especially in light of a comment my mid-wife said to me when I went in for my post-partum a couple of months ago. When she asked me about what I was using for family planning, I told her that I was currently using LAM and she replied, "Well I have seen women get pregnant doing

that." Suffice it to say I was annoyed and wondered, does she say the same thing to the women she puts on the pill? Probably not ... but I am sure I am not alone in seeing plenty of women get pregnant when taking the pillIn addition to creating standardized CME presentatations, one of the other goals of FACTS is to create a speaker's bureau and raise funds to cover travel expenses for trained speakers to give these presentations at medical conferences. We recently discussed this at our spring meeting in May, and I can keep you all updated on our progress. Sinerely,Marguerite Duane From: Velez <jrvg98@...> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dominic,I haven't yet read 's recent paper, but I thought it was on this subject without the title you use.Marguerite, it is good to know of your conference in Oaklahoma, and also to note what you write about presenting work for those who are not in agreement or on the fence.

Steve, thank you for making available the conferences. I wish to listen again to one or two of them.Greetings for tomorrow's feast of Corpus Christi,

Fr. JUanOn Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Dominic <pedullad@...> wrote:

So just to check, how many medical folks on this list would be ready to co-author a paper on physician-assisted contraception as an iatrogenic medical disorder?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

-- Fr. R. Vélez765 14th Ave, Apt 1San Francisco, CA 94118Website: www.newmanbiography.com

[Guest guest]

Right! thanks very much Pam!

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

I regularly challenge practitioners to provide even one case where there is not a better alternative to contraceptive medication to treat a gynecologic or fertility disorder, and have not found one since March 1, 1999 when I stopped writing scripts for them. The alternative treatments address and treat the underlying metabolic disorder and are, arguably far less expensive than OCP's at $80 per month or IUD's which cost in the hundreds of dollars. Let's practice authentic medicine and stop relying on the propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, shall we? In reality, it's our strong suit, and allows tho

[Guest guest]

Dominic, I would call it a sociological (marriage) and spiritual (virtue)

disorder. Of course iatrogenic because physicians have been coopted for the

first time in history to treat a " social " " problem " or issue with medications.

There is actually a group which manages sexual promiscuity as a medical

emergency reaquiring emergancy intervention. Lorna

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

 

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question

when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or

even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering

with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the

current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And

couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to

avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

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But isn't it more than that since an abnormal or non-physiological state is generated?

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dominic, I would call it a sociological (marriage) and spiritual (virtue) disorder. Of course iatrogenic because physicians have been coopted for the first time in history to treat a "social" "problem" or issue with medications. There is actually a group which manages sexual promiscuity as a medical emergency reaquiring emergancy intervention. Lorna

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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If anything has still been unsaid, [ I’m on record  since my 1975 article in America “Medical Cop Out†] to say that fertility is not a disease ,  I’ll glad to contribute. Norris and Bame’s article in the February Linacre describe  the harmful effects of contraceptive steroids very well.    Society has not only succeeded in separating sex from procreation notionally, but sex is now being separated from relationship.  What is left is masturbation. – solitary or mutual. Hanna Klaus, M.D.Natural Family Planning Center of Washington, D.C. and Teen STAR Program4400 East West Highway # 911Bethesda, MD 20814-4510301-897-9323  hannaklaus@...http://www.teenstarprogram.org From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lorna CvetkovichSent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:08 AM Subject: Re: Medical Uses of the Pill Dominic, I would call it a sociological (marriage) and spiritual (virtue) disorder. Of course iatrogenic because physicians have been coopted for the first time in history to treat a " social " " problem " or issue with medications. There is actually a group which manages sexual promiscuity as a medical emergency reaquiring emergancy intervention. Lorna Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right? Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect. While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the " possible " conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception? Sandrock CNM Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -- Fr. R. Vélez 765 14th Ave, Apt 1 San Francisco, CA 94118 Website: www.newmanbiography.com

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I completely agree Hannah. ACOG's very aggressive statement recently to the effect of positing a moral obligation to provide contraceptives, I felt, gave us an opportunity to go beyond the narrow issue of conscience protection and fight fire with fire. the underlying assumption is contraception as good medicine, and that's just not the case. Isn't it a holistic disorder when folks take aggressive treatments to induce a state of abnormal physiology, regardless of the social issues? Intentionality merely extends the question to areas of psychological health, but doesn't make it a purely social issue.

I would love to work with you Hanna!

Sincerely yours,

Dominic M. Pedulla MD, FACC, CNFPMC, ABVM, ACPh

Interventional Cardiologist, Endovascular Diplomate, Varicose Vein Specialist, Noncontraceptive Family Planning Consultant, Family Planning Researcher

Medical Director, The Oklahoma Vein and Endovascular Center (www.noveinok.com, veininfo@...)

Executive Director, The Edith Stein Foundation (www.theedithsteinfoundation.com)

405-947-2228 (office)

405-834-7506 (cell)

405-947-2307 (FAX)

pedullad@...

"...the priestly ministry is not just a pastoral service; it ensures the continuity of the functions entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and the continuity of the powers related to those functions. Adaptation to civilizations and times therefore cannot abolish, on essential points, the sacramental reference to constitutive events of Christianity and to Christ himself." (Inter Insignores)

Re: Medical Uses of the Pill

Dominic, I would call it a sociological (marriage) and spiritual (virtue) disorder. Of course iatrogenic because physicians have been coopted for the first time in history to treat a "social" "problem" or issue with medications. There is actually a group which manages sexual promiscuity as a medical emergency reaquiring emergancy intervention. Lorna

Re: Scrupulosity or doing what's right?

Sorry ..I am at a midwives conference... I was responding to Dr. 's question when I replied about double effect.

While pregnancy/conception is a possibility with OCP use, it does not always or even often happen to the best of our knowledge. When a woman is 100% suffering with a problem and she is unable to obtain an alternative treatment, doesn't the current, real and existing problem outweigh the "possible" conception? And couldn't that be mitigated as well by instructing in the use of fertile signs to avoid conception?

Sandrock CNM

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

Fr. R. Vélez

765 14th Ave, Apt 1

San Francisco, CA 94118

Website: www.newmanbiography.com