Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I would say trying to achieve, because they are knowingly choosing to make use of a day of fertility... Pam in El Paso On May 7, 2012 5:31 PM, " cindy4lifeoconnor " <oconnor1124@...> wrote: Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 How about a new acronym--TTT--Trying To Trust. Blessings. Steve Koob From: qenime@...Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:41:18 -0600Subject: Re: NFP User question... I would say trying to achieve, because they are knowingly choosing to make use of a day of fertility...Pam in El Paso On May 7, 2012 5:31 PM, "cindy4lifeoconnor" <oconnor1124@...> wrote: Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - "trying to whatever" instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a "whim" at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a "whim" any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...?Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 RTD..... Rolling the diceCIC....Cutting It ClosePWF....Playing With fireBTR....Bending The rulesNo, really, it's TTA when you're knowingly in Phase 2. jim-- Jim & Margaret Van DammeCouple to Couple League-Central New Yorkhttp://nfp.freehostia.com/ <=Natural Family Planning infoOur real address is vandamme@...! ------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I think the word " trying " is the problem. They are not " trying " to achieve...but they are using the method to achieve....meaning by abandoning its use to avoid pregnancy, and using in a way consistent with achieving a pregnancy, they have adopted it as a method to achieve. That may not be their desire, or intent, they may not be " trying " , and that distinction is important, so the word " trying " not applicable Sheila St. Executive DirectorCalifornia Association of Natural Family Planningwww.canfp.org1-877-33-CANFP From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Pamela Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: NFP User question... I would say trying to achieve, because they are knowingly choosing to make use of a day of fertility...Pam in El PasoOn May 7, 2012 5:31 PM, " cindy4lifeoconnor " <oconnor1124@...> wrote: Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...?Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 We call that “charting for personal understanding.” lauren fuller – NFP coordinator, Northwest family services. 503-344-6931 (w)| 503-546-9397 (f)| lfuller@... Equipping people with vital skills for a lifetime www.nwfs.org • www.talktothem.org • www.itslegit.org • www.lastingrelationships.org Like us on Facebook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 There is nothing that says couples have to make an active choice, as long as they are willing to accept the baby when it comes…It’s the Population planners who create categories trying to force everyone to plan…. When their real intention is to limit population. I think it is a privilege to co-create a baby with the Creator, but everyone does not agree with me, and some people just prefer to drift into pregnancy. There are good medical reasons for advising at least a two year birth –interval. But that usually does not become an issue until after the first baby. Hanna Klaus From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of cindy4lifeoconnorSent: Monday, May 07, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: NFP User question... Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...?Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Or why label? I'm not sure I have a sophisticated way to articulate this, but "avoiding" or "achieving" assume that we must have a particular intent and that conceiving or not conceiving must always be a choice. I would suggest that this is a contraceptive mindset. I find many people need to surrender and make space for mystery. Many people feel ambiguous about the possibility of conception or fear infertility, so they simply let go of intention as an anecdote to that fear or ambiguity. Lalonde, HRHP Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - "trying to whatever" instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a "whim" at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a "whim" any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 True, but I took the question as referring to some of the data gathering that NFP teachers of some methods do for study purposes... On May 7, 2012 10:24 PM, " Varro-Lalonde " <myristica72003@...> wrote: Or why label? I'm not sure I have a sophisticated way to articulate this, but " avoiding " or " achieving " assume that we must have a particular intent and that conceiving or not conceiving must always be a choice. I would suggest that this is a contraceptive mindset. I find many people need to surrender and make space for mystery. Many people feel ambiguous about the possibility of conception or fear infertility, so they simply let go of intention as an anecdote to that fear or ambiguity. Lalonde, HRHP Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 yes, this question was because they were charting on-line, they weren't sure what they should choose (avoid/achieve) because they needed to put something down. - On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Pamela <qenime@...> wrote: True, but I took the question as referring to some of the data gathering that NFP teachers of some methods do for study purposes... On May 7, 2012 10:24 PM, " Varro-Lalonde " <myristica72003@...> wrote: Or why label? I'm not sure I have a sophisticated way to articulate this, but " avoiding " or " achieving " assume that we must have a particular intent and that conceiving or not conceiving must always be a choice. I would suggest that this is a contraceptive mindset. I find many people need to surrender and make space for mystery. Many people feel ambiguous about the possibility of conception or fear infertility, so they simply let go of intention as an anecdote to that fear or ambiguity. Lalonde, HRHP Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I think there is another good reason to only have two options----because human nature is we tend to " negotiate " if fertile day, by thinking of it as only a little fertile, kinda fertile, maybe fertile, probably not fertile....etc:) So having only two options makes us communicate more honestly... Sheila St. Executive DirectorCalifornia Association of Natural Family Planningwww.canfp.org1-877-33-CANFP From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C.Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:00 PM Subject: Re: NFP User question... yes, this question was because they were charting on-line, they weren't sure what they should choose (avoid/achieve) because they needed to put something down. - On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Pamela <qenime@...> wrote: True, but I took the question as referring to some of the data gathering that NFP teachers of some methods do for study purposes...On May 7, 2012 10:24 PM, " Varro-Lalonde " <myristica72003@...> wrote: Or why label? I'm not sure I have a sophisticated way to articulate this, but " avoiding " or " achieving " assume that we must have a particular intent and that conceiving or not conceiving must always be a choice. I would suggest that this is a contraceptive mindset. I find many people need to surrender and make space for mystery. Many people feel ambiguous about the possibility of conception or fear infertility, so they simply let go of intention as an anecdote to that fear or ambiguity. Lalonde, HRHP Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...?Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 There is nothing wrong with one of the options being " undecided " or " neither trying to avoid nor trying to conceive " . It doesn't fit neatly into the contraceptive mindset, but then, neither does reality, for some of the reasons described in this thread. ph Stanford joseph.stanford@... On May 7, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sheila St. wrote: > > I think there is another good reason to only have two options----because human nature is we tend to " negotiate " if fertile day, by thinking of it as only a little fertile, kinda fertile, maybe fertile, probably not fertile....etc:) So having only two options makes us communicate more honestly... > > > > Sheila St. > > Executive Director > > California Association of Natural Family Planning > > www.canfp.org > > 1-877-33-CANFP > > > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of & Dan O'C. > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:00 PM > > Subject: Re: NFP User question... > > > > > > yes, this question was because they were charting on-line, they weren't sure what they should choose (avoid/achieve) because they needed to put something down. > > - > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Pamela <qenime@...> wrote: > > > > True, but I took the question as referring to some of the data gathering that NFP teachers of some methods do for study purposes... > > On May 7, 2012 10:24 PM, " Varro-Lalonde " <myristica72003@...> wrote: > > > > Or why label? I'm not sure I have a sophisticated way to articulate this, but " avoiding " or " achieving " assume that we must have a particular intent and that conceiving or not conceiving must always be a choice. I would suggest that this is a contraceptive mindset. I find many people need to surrender and make space for mystery. Many people feel ambiguous about the possibility of conception or fear infertility, so they simply let go of intention as an anecdote to that fear or ambiguity. > > Lalonde, HRHP > > > > > > Here's a question I came across in an NFP group on Facebook. A couple isn't actively trying to get pregnant, yet they are open to a pregnancy if it happens. I've seen it as TTW - " trying to whatever " instead of TTC (trying to conceive) or TTA (trying to avoid). So, the couple would be aware of their fertility. What would be the appropriate box to check (avoiding or achieving pregnancy) if they but if they have intercourse on a " whim " at the very beginning or end of the fertile window/phase 2? or just on a " whim " any time in the cycle even if it's during the fertile time...? > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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