Re: Gift basket ideas for Chemo patient

[Guest guest]

This is kind of a different approach -- I'm sure you have the nutritional aspect

down very well. Does she have any interest in meditation, Qi gong, Healing Touch

or yoga? If so, maybe related CDs or gift certs for a few classes of gentle

styles of yoga, or a Healing Touch treatment.

~

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? ...

> I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Her Body is going to need all the help it can get. A basket full of raw butter,

raw coconut oil, raw sour cream (made easily from raw cream with a filmolk

culture), a bottle of fermented CLO/ or FSLO and though a spendy basket, it will

give her the support she needs as her body fights the retuxin (or whatever other

chem they give her) and the cancer itself. Also you can't go wrong with weston

price's Nutrition And Physical Degeneration. You could include some pate as

well, or whatever it would take to get liver into her (whatever will make it

palatable, obviously raw would be better but even cooked at least) And maybe

some turmeric root. A lot of raw plant foods would be great for her to get too,

especially wild herbs like mint, lamb's quarters and dandelion.

Raw plants to clean the toxins(from cooked food, pollution and chemo) and cancer

out.

Raw pastured animal fats to build the body back up.

I know that's maybe not what you were looking for, but at least include some raw

butter and coconut oil. Her body and mind need a friend right now!

[Guest guest]

I did this for a friend recently and I really tried to personalize it. My

friend is into food and cooking (not necessarily NT) and I put in food

magazines, and some food network TV shows on DVD. I included one bar of organic

dark chocolate.... that was the only food item. I put in goofy things... just

useless make people laugh things. Also I burned a CD of some songs I thought

she'd like. Nothing was really expensive (I think the most expensive individual

item was $15) and I wrapped everything individually and put a note in it that

said something like, " when you are having a rough day open up one gift. " So a

string of rough days and the basket could be empty in 2 weeks (or 2 days if she

opened more than one) or it could last several months. I think I had put 15

things in the basket. If you have kids you could even have your kids draw

pictures or make cards. Include Scripture or encouraging sayings. An

inspirational book or a book of poetry might be good or a classic she's never

read.

I actually don't know how long the basket lasted for my friend, but she has

been cancer free for 3 years (breast cancer at age 40).

hth,

Ann Marie

On May 9, 2011, at 11:03 AM, paradisegoats@... wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I

[Guest guest]

How about some good things for detox? She's doing to need it. Carlson's

Vitamin C 1 gram tabs. Green powders that she can use to make smoothies.

How about a juicer? (depending on your budget) How about some certificates

for Infrared Sauna? Also quicksilver thereasomal glutathione is great for

detox. Make some fancy gift certificates of things that you can do for her

while she is healing etc.

Kathy

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Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:17 PM

Subject: Re: Gift basket ideas for Chemo patient

I did this for a friend recently and I really tried to personalize it. My

friend is into food and cooking (not necessarily NT) and I put in food

magazines, and some food network TV shows on DVD. I included one bar of

organic dark chocolate.... that was the only food item. I put in goofy

things... just useless make people laugh things. Also I burned a CD of some

songs I thought she'd like. Nothing was really expensive (I think the most

expensive individual item was $15) and I wrapped everything individually and

put a note in it that said something like, " when you are having a rough day

open up one gift. " So a string of rough days and the basket could be empty

in 2 weeks (or 2 days if she opened more than one) or it could last several

months. I think I had put 15 things in the basket. If you have kids you

could even have your kids draw pictures or make cards. Include Scripture or

encouraging sayings. An inspirational book or a book of poetry might be good

or a classic she's never read.

I actually don't know how long the basket lasted for my friend, but she has

been cancer free for 3 years (breast cancer at age 40).

hth,

Ann Marie

On May 9, 2011, at 11:03 AM, paradisegoats@...

<mailto:paradisegoats%40rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for

my sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I

[Guest guest]

When my dad was undergoing chemo, it was difficult for him to eat anything; no

food tasted or felt or smelled good to him; I gave him coupons for all his

favorite foods, not paying any attention to their nutritional or healing

value(which was nil, except for the soups he loved); I wanted to offer him

things he enjoyed; these were all things I could cook or bake for him; I visited

him every week-end and he redeemed a coupon or two each time; he could only eat

very small amounts, but really enjoyed what he could eat. The other thing I did

was just to spend time sitting by his side. Every once in a while he would say

something and we'd talk for a minute or two. Then there would be long periods

of silence before he spoke again. Those were precious moments and even more so

now that he's gone.

Good luck in and bless you as you show your love and care for your sister in

law.

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I don't need any slamming

of her using chemo, it was her decision and she and her family have to deal with

it. I know there are other treatments out there but this is the one that was

chosen. She was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer as well as spots on her

liver (and lived a very healthy life, no drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc), has

two children under 5, and is turning 34 this summer.

>

> Anyway, she said her hair is falling out and she finally went in to have the

length cut off so she can enjoy short hair for about a week. She also said she

is really tired and her iron is low but all in all she is feeling pretty upbeat.

>

> I was hoping to get a basket together with some lotions, soaps, perhaps some

good vitamins too. She has started a collection of hats and scarves so she

doesn't need those I guess. Any other ideas would be great too.

>

> I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She does not have to lose her hair. Tell her about Penguin Cold Caps. They

minimize or prevent hair loss in chemo patients. Of course people who would

choose chemo in the first place are often the same ones that would reject

anything natural, but that's their choice also. Anyway, you can get more info

at www.RapunzelProject.org

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I don't need any slamming

of her using chemo, it was her decision and she and her family have to deal with

it. I know there are other treatments out there but this is the one that was

chosen. She was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer as well as spots on her

liver (and lived a very healthy life, no drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc), has

two children under 5, and is turning 34 this summer.

>

> Anyway, she said her hair is falling out and she finally went in to have the

length cut off so she can enjoy short hair for about a week. She also said she

is really tired and her iron is low but all in all she is feeling pretty upbeat.

>

> I was hoping to get a basket together with some lotions, soaps, perhaps some

good vitamins too. She has started a collection of hats and scarves so she

doesn't need those I guess. Any other ideas would be great too.

>

> I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Of course people who would choose chemo in the first place are often the same

ones that would reject anything natural, but that's their choice also. "

OK I may get blasted here for what I am going to say to this comment. This is a

unfair statement. To say that any one who would do chemo are often ones who

would reject natural is not true. Do you know the cost of treating cancer

naturally? Trust me it is costly. Juicers, supplements, organic fruits, veggies,

meats etc, naturopaths, herbs..... all 100% out of pocket. Who is willing to

help the person cover the on going cost of going the natural route? Few if any

one. Chemo is cover by insurances. So sadly many of us are forced into a choice

of doing what ever we can naturally as well as going the conventional route of

cancer treatments. Why because we plain old can't afford to do it all

naturally.

I know I got blasted in the past for not going a full natural route for my

cancer (this was 9 years ago) but yet those who choose to blast me never once

offered to help with any of the costs etc for me to go natural. I was told to

go to Mexico to treatment centers there and do this do that..... We were

barely able to pay the heat, electric, phone and internet (needed to research

what I could do naturally and afford). But I did what I could naturally and then

had to do what was covered by insurance. So to say a person would reject it is

not a fair statement. Yes, many will reject natural but many do not have the

resources to go natural.

Kimi

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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troubles,

you wouldn't sit for a month. " ~ Theodore Roosevelt

From: cjosephj

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: Gift basket ideas for Chemo patient

She does not have to lose her hair. Tell her about Penguin Cold Caps. They

minimize or prevent hair loss in chemo patients. Of course people who would

choose chemo in the first place are often the same ones that would reject

anything natural, but that's their choice also. Anyway, you can get more info at

www.RapunzelProject.org

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I don't need any slamming

of her using chemo, it was her decision and she and her family have to deal with

it. I know there are other treatments out there but this is the one that was

chosen. She was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer as well as spots on her

liver (and lived a very healthy life, no drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc), has

two children under 5, and is turning 34 this summer.

>

> Anyway, she said her hair is falling out and she finally went in to have the

length cut off so she can enjoy short hair for about a week. She also said she

is really tired and her iron is low but all in all she is feeling pretty upbeat.

>

> I was hoping to get a basket together with some lotions, soaps, perhaps some

good vitamins too. She has started a collection of hats and scarves so she

doesn't need those I guess. Any other ideas would be great too.

>

> I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ann Marie, you gave some great ideas!! Joy and laughter are so healing!

Kimi

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[Guest guest]

Without trying to attack you at all Kimi I have to respectfully disagree.

The treatment for cancer is no different than what your diet should be. You are

counting in all sorts of specialized items, but that is not what healing cancer

is about.

To heal cancer you simply support your body's immune system and do your best to

minimize exposure to stress and toxins. Then get out of the way and let it do

it's thing.

There are just two things needed to heal cancer, lots of colorful, raw, living

(full of biophotons) veggies to clean the cells and fat deposits and bones out.

And then lots of raw, living animal foods to build the body back up. This is why

raw is sooo important. When food is cooked it generates all kinds of toxins,

Acrylamides, Lipid Peroxides and heterocyclic amines, add to that the loss of

all the enzyme benefit, and the loss of the little particles of light

(biophotons, bioenergy) that are stored in cells and you're taxing your body

more than you're benefitting it. Relatively healthy people can get away with

eating cooked foods because the body has an amazing ability to heal, detoxify

and adapt to adversity, but people who are already battling illnesses can't

afford that 'luxury'.

In other words what I'm saying is, you have to eat, there is in fact an optimal

diet (though it is unique to each person according to what is written in to

their genome) and that optimal diet is varying proportions of food from both the

animal and plant kingdom in their raw or enzyme enhanced (fermented) state. So

treating cancer is no more expensive than eating, but you have to be eating the

right foods. It is also important to drop all cosmetics, stay away from

chemicals of any kind and really work to be present and stress free.

The only 'special' foods I would really recommend to people battling 'terminal'

illness is high meat, but even that is not really necessary, it's just a

booster.

Though I believe this to be fact, and more or less objective reality, it is my

opinion and I'm not trying to force it on anyone, just giving you an alternate

point of view to consider.

I would also argue that you can't really be counting all the costs, if you

believe that treating cancer naturally, even with specialized treatments is more

expensive than treating with radiation or chemo. We have got to stop looking at

doctors as special people. Before the internet, that was true, they did have

special knowledge, but now all knowledge is at the fingertips of anyone with an

internet connection, and all one need's is the drive to pay attention and plow

through the myriad info that's out there until they find what works for them.

This really is not rocketscience in the truest sense, when one looks for

patterns anywhere, they begin to become self evident and then you can learn

about the root cause of anything. And with understanding comes power. No one

ever need feel helpless, you have all that you need to guide your reality within

you.

Again, my viewpoint, solely for your consideration, question, accept, reject at

your discretion.

[Guest guest]

I went through a round of chemotherapy about 10 years ago. If I were to be the

recipient of a gift basket, here's what I would have loved to have.

What was most important to me were the liquids I drank. I was thirsty all the

time. I found it most important to get electrolytes in me. SmartWater before it

became owned by a large corporation was the perfect thing. SmartWater itself

with just a little juice (juices alone were too intense. And SmartWater had

these wonderful waters with the essence of different fruits (no sweetener at

all). They were expensive, but the most satisfying thing I could drink.

Unfortunately, they no longer make them.

So the basket should contain various waters - some still waters with

electrolytes. And some real mineral waters from the baths/spas in Europe. You

can get all of these at Trader Joes. I love the Gerolsteiner, Appolinaris, and

the italian one. Then I would get some Door County Sour Cherry juice (Blessings

in a Bottle)(You can get this at Kowalskis for about $26. It lasts a really long

time). You can also get a wonderful organic version at the Seward coop. (It's

probably a bit more expensive.)I would use as little juice as I could in one of

the waters to make the special water satisfying.

They say that sugar feeds cancer - that is why I think it's important not to use

too much juice.

If I had to go through chemo again, I would use some dry gelatin in these drinks

this time help retain water. That was a big problem I remember also.

I hope that helps.

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for my

sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I don't need any slamming

of her using chemo, it was her decision and she and her family have to deal with

it. I know there are other treatments out there but this is the one that was

chosen. She was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer as well as spots on her

liver (and lived a very healthy life, no drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc), has

two children under 5, and is turning 34 this summer.

>

> Anyway, she said her hair is falling out and she finally went in to have the

length cut off so she can enjoy short hair for about a week. She also said she

is really tired and her iron is low but all in all she is feeling pretty upbeat.

>

> I was hoping to get a basket together with some lotions, soaps, perhaps some

good vitamins too. She has started a collection of hats and scarves so she

doesn't need those I guess. Any other ideas would be great too.

>

> I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, and I personally would drink lots of kombucha, but it is an acquired taste.

Your friend might not be used to it so I would not include it in the basket/

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Wondering if any of you could help me find some good gift basket ideas for

my sister in law who is undergoing chemo for her cancer? I don't need any

slamming of her using chemo, it was her decision and she and her family have to

deal with it. I know there are other treatments out there but this is the one

that was chosen. She was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer as well as spots

on her liver (and lived a very healthy life, no drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc),

has two children under 5, and is turning 34 this summer.

> >

> > Anyway, she said her hair is falling out and she finally went in to have the

length cut off so she can enjoy short hair for about a week. She also said she

is really tired and her iron is low but all in all she is feeling pretty upbeat.

> >

> > I was hoping to get a basket together with some lotions, soaps, perhaps some

good vitamins too. She has started a collection of hats and scarves so she

doesn't need those I guess. Any other ideas would be great too.

> >

> > I have told her about the Weston A. Price people and gave her links to the

website for her to go thru as well.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe a book? Did anyone say that already? Nothing on cancer, but something

entertaining to take her mind off things...

Kathy

[Guest guest]

,

You have made many good and valid points here. No offence taken on any points.

Kimi

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In addition to your thoughtful and loving gift baskets, I would encourage her to

consume as many nutrient-dense, protective, immune-boosting foods as she can

tolerate or has the appetite for at this point, including fermented cod liver

oil, coconut oil, pastured egg yolks, grassfed butterfat, pastured liver,

wild/properly raised shellfish. These will ensure she's getting enough vitamin

A & D, B vits, CLA, vit E, not to mention cholesterol, saturated fats and fatty

acids, CoQ10, etc. Homemade sauerkraut or sauerkraut juice in small amounts

through the day will boost her digestive tract, the seat of the immune system.

As others have said, avoiding sugar is essential, and she could do things like

fresh or frozen organic berries with a little cinnamon if she wants something

sweet. Nutrition-packed smoothies might appeal to her, and I'll also give you

some ideas for drinkable tonics that are soothing and restorative. Tuck some of

your pastured eggs, homemade sour cream and a bottle of FCLO into the care

package. What a wonderful gesture of caring and love.

Beth

[Guest guest]

A few days later...

While I agree with you in theory (as I have no personal experience in any

realm), I'm sure it is a very different thing to be staring cancer in the face.

I can see where even " naturally-minded " people could be cowed into going with

the status quo. It has got to be so scary, no matter what path you choose.

Respectfully,

a

>

> Without trying to attack you at all Kimi I have to respectfully disagree.

>

> The treatment for cancer is no different than what your diet should be. You

are counting in all sorts of specialized items, but that is not what healing

cancer is about.

>

> To heal cancer you simply support your body's immune system and do your best

to minimize exposure to stress and toxins. Then get out of the way and let it do

it's thing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's something Kimi and I talked about off site. I haven't had to face

cancer, so I can't really say what I'd do in the situation, however I have a

view of death as a good and healthy thing and just another leg in the journey,

I'd like to think I'd spend my days doing my best to support myself and heal

naturally while staying present and living life to the fullest. We really should

all be doing our best to be present, it's not just a cute, quaint thing to say,

but to live that way brings a peace and happiness. This world is sooo full of

wonder, if you've seen the movie avatar where everything is glowing and magical,

well that's only different in form than our world. Think of all the amazing

sights in nature, huge migrations of animals. Creatures that glow in the dark.

Thousands of birds or fish all swimming or flying as one. Yesterday I got a

chance to hold a bat. Today an eastern milksnake. Every day is a new day full of

wonder, but we have to take the time to slow down, come to our senses (and lose

the linear mind, and our schedules) and perceive this wonder.

A good example of this is if your mood is dependent on the weather. All weather

is good, and a blessing, but if cloudy days make you sad, and winter days make

you cold and summer days make you too hot, then you're missing something.

I'm constantly hearing people (not anyone in particular, it is ubiquitous) bash

the weather, (i used to do this too) and I'm over here thinking, this day is a

gift, how can you complain?

Yes, everyone is in a different place, this is as it should be, that is why we

do our best to learn and teach, and that is why I share my experiences and

viewpoints, because they are quite unique and different and hopefully they will

benefit someone.

We are literally only limited by our beliefs, nothing more.

[Guest guest]

It would seem that I am in agreement with each of you on this - , Kimi and

a. We each do what we feel (or hopefully know) to be best at the time we

must make a decision. Sometimes it works out the way we want it to and sometimes

we discover we would have preferred another route.

My mom was diagnosed with ovarian cancer in the spring of 2004, following the

discovery of pulmonary emboli. Allopathic treatment (hysterectomy, chemo, etc.)

all seemed so wrong to her, but she didn't know the " other " way. My mom (and her

mom) has always been much more apt to choose a natural method for healing as

opposed to an OTC option. And I give her a lot of credit and appreciation for

helping to steer this in me and in my siblings. As a mentioned, things seem

different when the possibility is suddenly a reality in your life and all the

" experts " are feeding you statistics and you don't feel like you have a leg to

stand on when it comes to figuring out treatment for yourself. So, my mom had an

operation and then she went in to get the most miserable IVs for the remainder

of the summer. Fast forward to spring of 2007, not surprisingly (to us now) she

was diagnosed with breast cancer. Her previous experience, compounded by her gut

feeling led her to reject the standard treatment methods. She had time to do

research and find answers to her questions. She did a number of different things

- starting with vitamin C IVs, but couldn't continue to afford them. And from my

second hand experience, I agree with you, Kimi that treating cancer in a natural

way can get expensive, especially if you don't know exactly how you're going to

go about it and try a number of things to " cover your bases. " To be sure, eating

can be expensive depending on your resources and where you're located. And there

is a definite learning curve when switching from SAD to WAP, which can be

difficult for someone battling something of some kind.

Since learning about Weston A. Price and traditional foods, I have tried to

encourage that " vein " of her treatment - suggesting raw milk, FCLO, cutting out

the processed junk that weighs so heavily on our bodies, etc...even down to the

laetril/vitamin B17 deficiency possibility. I'm by no means an expert, I'm just

trying to rely more heavily on my instincts and simply what makes sense. And

what you say, makes a lot of sense. I think it's unfortunate that many of

us are not in the place where eating what's best for us is what our minds

convince us is right. How our brains can convince us that the chemical-laden is

better than the homegrown is beyond me...and I know it's a cyclic process. I

know our palettes change with our diet and a lot of times it's simply the

diligence with keeping at something you believe in to get past the head games.

Something well worth it in the end and even more worth it if you can avoid the

head games entirely with your children. It helps to start with a cleaner slate.

In the " end " my mom just got a thermograph done yesterday and her report was

that she is " cool as a cucumber. " There was no metabolic activity in either

breast to indicate " life " of cancer where there previously had been. I couldn't

be happier for her - that she can allow herself to shift her focus to nourishing

her body rather than fighting this cancer that has been fighting her - something

mentioned as being the same thing (with which I cannot argue), but not

always easy to swallow for the " patient. " And maybe it's that eating doesn't

seem like it's aggressive enough because of the way we're conditioned.

I know that in the treatment of a spectrum of different ailments and diseases in

my family, it is the family that has been the most helpful because being

surrounded by like-minded individuals is unbelievably valuable. It's those who

have to go against a diagnosis like cancer with a support system who supports

the western medical model that face the biggest battle, even if they believe

natural, holistic methods to be the proper route. I should say that our faith is

actually the article of utmost importance. My mom went into her breast cancer

treatment saying that if God was going to take her, it wouldn't matter what she

did to try to stop Him. I appreciated that trust as she proceeded to do what she

felt equipped to do - not that she threw her hands in the air and waited for Him

to fulfill her death sentence. But that she used the resources He provided her

knowing that He may decide to take her home with Him anyway.

[Guest guest]

Lindsey,

Thank you for eloquently saying every thing I feel and would have like to have

said myself. This has been a good conversation and very thought provoking. I

have enjoyed talking off list with on this as well. He has given me many

good things to consider and study on. (don't know if I could do raw liver

though, but will be adding more organ meats to my diet) This is what this list

is about, learning from each other and finding the right fit for us

nutritionally. Some of us are hard core NT, some not so hard core, some are

in-between and some are finding their path, but we all learn and grow from each

other.

Kimi

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troubles,

you wouldn't sit for a month. " ~ Theodore Roosevelt

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