Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

March 1, 2005

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a

girl, people would really wonder about my family,

wouldn't they?

Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it's

not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It's

really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.

Sara

--- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous

> or over stimulated or tired.

> jane

>

> <Luvourlives@...> wrote:

>

> That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that

> particular

> area, but I think it is similar to other self

> soothing techniques

> like rubbing ones hair.

>

> > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for

> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there

> any

> > significance to this or is it just one of those

> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her

> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.

> >

> > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else

> whose

> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you

> ask?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Sara

> >

> > __________________________________

> > Do you ?

> > - Find what you need with new enhanced

> search.

> > http://info.mail./mail_250

>

March 1, 2005

I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb has that might make him autistic, he told her about the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son (who is about the same age and developing normally) just asked his mother last week if he could cut off his nipples. His mother was mortified until he replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he stopped.

The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his body is not getting enough stimulation.

We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so we do not know.

I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples puffy because of it. I worry someone will think weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper) so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing it that another behavior will start. I dread it being something worse like picking or biting himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet with the OT.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being agirl, people would really wonder about my family,wouldn't they?Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it'snot a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It'sreally no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous> or over stimulated or tired.> jane> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that> particular > area, but I think it is similar to other self> soothing techniques > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> any> > significance to this or is it just one of those> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> whose> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> ask?> > > > Thanks,> > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > - Find what you need with new enhanced> search.> > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > >

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March 2, 2005

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin gets

irritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'd

be interested to know what you find out . . .

Sara

--- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

>

> I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband

> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb

> has that might make him autistic, he told her about

> the nipples. She said, " really, my girlfriend's son

> (who is about the same age and developing normally)

> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off

> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he

> replied, " I don't need them anymore I am getting

> bigger " . . . . .he used to rub his too but he

> stopped.

>

> The professionals tell me it is a " stim " things to

> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his

> body is not getting enough stimulation.

>

> We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so

> we do not know.

>

> I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples

> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think

> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every

> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But

> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy

> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)

> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and

> they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

> I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one

> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing

> it that another behavior will start. I dread it

> being something worse like picking or biting

> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet

> with the OT.

>

> Jane

> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a

> girl, people would really wonder about my family,

> wouldn't they?

>

> Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess

> it's

> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me.

> It's

> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.

>

> Sara

> --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>

> wrote:

>

> > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is

> nervous

> > or over stimulated or tired.

> > jane

> >

> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:

> >

> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing

> that

> > particular

> > area, but I think it is similar to other self

> > soothing techniques

> > like rubbing ones hair.

> >

> > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton

> for

> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there

> > any

> > > significance to this or is it just one of those

> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub

> her

> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.

> > >

> > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else

> > whose

> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you

> > ask?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Sara

> > >

> > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ?

> > > - Find what you need with new

> enhanced

> > search.

> > > http://info.mail./mail_250

> >

March 2, 2005

I'm sure he will stop doing this! My son has pretty much grown out of his hand-flapping, which he used to do quite often. I wouldn't worry too much. My youngest son(who doesn't have AS) just stopped sucking his thumb and he is 8!!! Luckily he didn't suck it in school!!!! Does your son only do this at home? Or does he do it in public as well. My son did the hand flapping everywhere, it got to be his trademark. Glad to say I have maybe seen him do it only once or twice so far this past month. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb has that might make him autistic, he told her about the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son (who is about the same age and developing normally) just asked his mother last week if he could cut off his nipples. His mother was mortified until he replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he stopped.

The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his body is not getting enough stimulation.

We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so we do not know.

I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples puffy because of it. I worry someone will think weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper) so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing it that another behavior will start. I dread it being something worse like picking or biting himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet with the OT.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being agirl, people would really wonder about my family,wouldn't they?Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it'snot a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It'sreally no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous> or over stimulated or tired.> jane> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that> particular > area, but I think it is similar to other self> soothing techniques > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> any> > significance to this or is it just one of those> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> whose> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> ask?> > > > Thanks,> > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > - Find what you need with new enhanced> search.> > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > >

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March 2, 2005

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

My son does it in public too but most people don't seem to realize what he is doing because his hand is under his shirt.

When I go to autistic seminars or to the specialists, they all seem to know what it is.

I am sooooo glad to hear that they can outgrow it.

I did some pretty weird things too as a kid, I have never had a diagnoses. I chewed my hair and my shirt. My 17 year old, also no diagnoses chewed his shirt really bad. All his school photos from kindergarten through 4th grade have huge wet spots on his shirts. LOL

He is doing ok, we just went to an open house at a local university. He made high honors last half and is about to be inducted into the honor society.

So, maybe it has nothing to do with autism???? who knows.

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

I'm sure he will stop doing this! My son has pretty much grown out of his hand-flapping, which he used to do quite often. I wouldn't worry too much. My youngest son(who doesn't have AS) just stopped sucking his thumb and he is 8!!! Luckily he didn't suck it in school!!!! Does your son only do this at home? Or does he do it in public as well. My son did the hand flapping everywhere, it got to be his trademark. Glad to say I have maybe seen him do it only once or twice so far this past month. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb has that might make him autistic, he told her about the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son (who is about the same age and developing normally) just asked his mother last week if he could cut off his nipples. His mother was mortified until he replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he stopped.

The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his body is not getting enough stimulation.

We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so we do not know.

I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples puffy because of it. I worry someone will think weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper) so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing it that another behavior will start. I dread it being something worse like picking or biting himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet with the OT.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being agirl, people would really wonder about my family,wouldn't they?Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it'snot a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It'sreally no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous> or over stimulated or tired.> jane> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that> particular > area, but I think it is similar to other self> soothing techniques > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> any> > significance to this or is it just one of those> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> whose> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> ask?> > > > Thanks,> > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > - Find what you need with new enhanced> search.> > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > >

Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT> > > --------------------------------->

March 2, 2005

This year was the first time that my son went on any ride of any kind, he's 11. Up until this year he was not a child you could take to any amusement or water park without him screaming in fear. The fish oil seems to have made a huge difference with his anxieties.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

What about flax seed oil? I tried giving him fish oil once and he refused it. He hates certain tastes. I bought flax seed oil and mix it in his food. I never read anything about it for our kids but in a health food magazine it said it was good for you like fish oil. Do you know if it does the same thing?

My 17 year old won't ride at amusement parks either. . . .maybe he is asbergers too?designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

This year was the first time that my son went on any ride of any kind, he's 11. Up until this year he was not a child you could take to any amusement or water park without him screaming in fear. The fish oil seems to have made a huge difference with his anxieties.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

It's funny you bring up shirt chewing, My son with AS used to chew his shirt on a regular basis when he was very young, Maybe 4 or 5, but he only did it for a very short amount of time. He would bring the neck of the shirt to his mouth a suck or chew on it. He ruined quite a few shirts doing this. But it only lasted a very short time, Thank God. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

My son does it in public too but most people don't seem to realize what he is doing because his hand is under his shirt.

When I go to autistic seminars or to the specialists, they all seem to know what it is.

I am sooooo glad to hear that they can outgrow it.

I did some pretty weird things too as a kid, I have never had a diagnoses. I chewed my hair and my shirt. My 17 year old, also no diagnoses chewed his shirt really bad. All his school photos from kindergarten through 4th grade have huge wet spots on his shirts. LOL

He is doing ok, we just went to an open house at a local university. He made high honors last half and is about to be inducted into the honor society.

So, maybe it has nothing to do with autism???? who knows.

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

I'm sure he will stop doing this! My son has pretty much grown out of his hand-flapping, which he used to do quite often. I wouldn't worry too much. My youngest son(who doesn't have AS) just stopped sucking his thumb and he is 8!!! Luckily he didn't suck it in school!!!! Does your son only do this at home? Or does he do it in public as well. My son did the hand flapping everywhere, it got to be his trademark. Glad to say I have maybe seen him do it only once or twice so far this past month. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb has that might make him autistic, he told her about the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son (who is about the same age and developing normally) just asked his mother last week if he could cut off his nipples. His mother was mortified until he replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he stopped.

The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his body is not getting enough stimulation.

We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so we do not know.

I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples puffy because of it. I worry someone will think weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper) so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing it that another behavior will start. I dread it being something worse like picking or biting himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet with the OT.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being agirl, people would really wonder about my family,wouldn't they?Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it'snot a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It'sreally no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous> or over stimulated or tired.> jane> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that> particular > area, but I think it is similar to other self> soothing techniques > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> any> > significance to this or is it just one of those> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> whose> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> ask?> > > > Thanks,> > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > - Find what you need with new enhanced> search.> > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > >

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March 2, 2005

How do you get your kid to take fish oil????? My son would never open his mouth to that. Do you secretly have to mix it in his food? designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

This year was the first time that my son went on any ride of any kind, he's 11. Up until this year he was not a child you could take to any amusement or water park without him screaming in fear. The fish oil seems to have made a huge difference with his anxieties.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

The important components of fish oil are EPA and DHA. The difference between the fish and flax is that the fish oil starts out having the EPA/DHA and the body has to convert the flax oil to EPA/DHA.

My son's psychiatrist has him on 1000EPA's 700DHA's a day for anxiety and depression prevention. There are 2 brands which are known for their quality and purity, Coromega is orange flavor with no fishy taste and can be easier to get into kids.

www.coromega.com

www.nordicnaturals.com

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

I take flaxseed. I have heard that regular flaxseed is better than the oil. I buy it in bulk, I also buy flaxseed powder (They sell it at a store out here called Trader Joe's). Wonderful store. Flaxseed powder is good too. IT has a nutty flavor. My son will not eat it but I do. I suppose I could sneak it into some of his food, but knowing him he'll detect it! Flaxseed is good for lowering cholesterol, is very high in fiber, contains a good amout of omega 3 fatty acids which are great for the heart, protects against certain cancers, and stimulates your immune system. I take it on a daily basis. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

What about flax seed oil? I tried giving him fish oil once and he refused it. He hates certain tastes. I bought flax seed oil and mix it in his food. I never read anything about it for our kids but in a health food magazine it said it was good for you like fish oil. Do you know if it does the same thing?

My 17 year old won't ride at amusement parks either. . . .maybe he is asbergers too?designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

This year was the first time that my son went on any ride of any kind, he's 11. Up until this year he was not a child you could take to any amusement or water park without him screaming in fear. The fish oil seems to have made a huge difference with his anxieties.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

This lasted until was 9 and now he's turned his attention to pencils....ug!

Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

It's funny you bring up shirt chewing, My son with AS used to chew his shirt on a regular basis when he was very young, Maybe 4 or 5, but he only did it for a very short amount of time. He would bring the neck of the shirt to his mouth a suck or chew on it. He ruined quite a few shirts doing this. But it only lasted a very short time, Thank God. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

My son does it in public too but most people don't seem to realize what he is doing because his hand is under his shirt.

When I go to autistic seminars or to the specialists, they all seem to know what it is.

I am sooooo glad to hear that they can outgrow it.

I did some pretty weird things too as a kid, I have never had a diagnoses. I chewed my hair and my shirt. My 17 year old, also no diagnoses chewed his shirt really bad. All his school photos from kindergarten through 4th grade have huge wet spots on his shirts. LOL

He is doing ok, we just went to an open house at a local university. He made high honors last half and is about to be inducted into the honor society.

So, maybe it has nothing to do with autism???? who knows.

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

I'm sure he will stop doing this! My son has pretty much grown out of his hand-flapping, which he used to do quite often. I wouldn't worry too much. My youngest son(who doesn't have AS) just stopped sucking his thumb and he is 8!!! Luckily he didn't suck it in school!!!! Does your son only do this at home? Or does he do it in public as well. My son did the hand flapping everywhere, it got to be his trademark. Glad to say I have maybe seen him do it only once or twice so far this past month. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb has that might make him autistic, he told her about the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son (who is about the same age and developing normally) just asked his mother last week if he could cut off his nipples. His mother was mortified until he replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he stopped.

The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his body is not getting enough stimulation.

We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so we do not know.

I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples puffy because of it. I worry someone will think weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper) so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and they don't make them. It drives me nuts.

I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing it that another behavior will start. I dread it being something worse like picking or biting himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet with the OT.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being agirl, people would really wonder about my family,wouldn't they?Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess it'snot a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. It'sreally no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is nervous> or over stimulated or tired.> jane> > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing that> particular > area, but I think it is similar to other self> soothing techniques > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton for> > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> any> > significance to this or is it just one of those> > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub her> > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> whose> > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> ask?> > > > Thanks,> > Sara > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > - Find what you need with new enhanced> search.> > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > >

March 2, 2005

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Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 5, 2005

We bought the flaxseeds from our local healthfood store. I sprinkle them in yogurt, ice cream and hide them everywhere. He thinks they are sprinkle "shots" that people put on icecream,LOL

Do you know if flaxseed does the same thing for anxiety as fish oils.....and the same thing for their focus etc... that everyone is talking about.

Speaking of fish oil, I swear that I can remember about 10 years ago you could buy codliver oil near the fish department in a glass jar. I remember asking the man what it was for. He said older people buy it. Now you have to buy it in the vitamin section and it is very expensive.

People tell me that I am crazy, they never sold it like that. Does anyone else remember?

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

I take flaxseed. I have heard that regular flaxseed is better than the oil. I buy it in bulk, I also buy flaxseed powder (They sell it at a store out here called Trader Joe's). Wonderful store. Flaxseed powder is good too. IT has a nutty flavor. My son will not eat it but I do. I suppose I could sneak it into some of his food, but knowing him he'll detect it! Flaxseed is good for lowering cholesterol, is very high in fiber, contains a good amout of omega 3 fatty acids which are great for the heart, protects against certain cancers, and stimulates your immune system. I take it on a daily basis. JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

What about flax seed oil? I tried giving him fish oil once and he refused it. He hates certain tastes. I bought flax seed oil and mix it in his food. I never read anything about it for our kids but in a health food magazine it said it was good for you like fish oil. Do you know if it does the same thing?

My 17 year old won't ride at amusement parks either. . . .maybe he is asbergers too?designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

This year was the first time that my son went on any ride of any kind, he's 11. Up until this year he was not a child you could take to any amusement or water park without him screaming in fear. The fish oil seems to have made a huge difference with his anxieties.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 5, 2005

Thankyou so much for this information. I think I just wrote another email question about this before reading yours.

I am going to go to those sites and look into this.

Janedesigns <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

The important components of fish oil are EPA and DHA. The difference between the fish and flax is that the fish oil starts out having the EPA/DHA and the body has to convert the flax oil to EPA/DHA.

My son's psychiatrist has him on 1000EPA's 700DHA's a day for anxiety and depression prevention. There are 2 brands which are known for their quality and purity, Coromega is orange flavor with no fishy taste and can be easier to get into kids.

www.coromega.com

www.nordicnaturals.com

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 6, 2005

Flax will do the same as the fish oil but first the body needs to convert it to EPA & DHA, also I don't know how you gauge how much EPA DHA you get from the flax. For us the Fish oil is easier (and has worked WONDERS). He takes a 1/2 -1 teaspoon a day for 1000-1600 EPA's.

700-1400 DHA's.

It's lemon flavored from Nordic Naturals and the name is ProOmega. It also goes under the name Ultimate Omega.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 6, 2005

thankyou.

and everyone can use it? Sometimes my 17 year old gets stressed about an exam or something. I have given him vit. B and this seems to help. I think I 'll try the fish oil.

thankyou,

Jan

designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

Flax will do the same as the fish oil but first the body needs to convert it to EPA & DHA, also I don't know how you gauge how much EPA DHA you get from the flax. For us the Fish oil is easier (and has worked WONDERS). He takes a 1/2 -1 teaspoon a day for 1000-1600 EPA's.

700-1400 DHA's.

It's lemon flavored from Nordic Naturals and the name is ProOmega. It also goes under the name Ultimate Omega.

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 6, 2005

Here is what my day was and this is why we use the fish oil!!

We had to go to a family members 60th birthday party today at a restaurant. Considering the amount of time we were there and the fact that they were the only kids, my children did pretty well. (11/AS/ADHD) had a few moments of saying he was bored and stating 3 things he'd rather be doing (rather loudly as he has little to no voice modulation) he did allot of stimming and some of his tic's were more apparent (blinking). I sat him between my mother (psychotherapist) and my aunt (sped teacher) though so I did not have to deal with any of it. He would have done much worse with me.

Earlier today he fixated himself on the idea that he wanted to rent a video game. I told him not today and he complained and whined (not pretty in 11 year old), I had to hear about how his life stunk and had him ask 20 more times on the way to the party. On the way home it started again immediately (it never stopped at the restaurant but I was not the one who had to hear about it while we were there). I TRIED to tune him out the entire way to Blockbuster (had to return movies). Once there, I dropped DH and the kids while I ran to CVS, when I got back, Gracen (4 nt DD) had a RAINBOW ice pop in her mouth (thanks to hubby) and was crying in the game isle. He was crying because DH got a magazine and Gracen got a pop and he got nothing "he NEVER gets anything" (please!) He whined and yelled at his sister the entire way home and then when we got here he asked if he could stay up until 9:30 to watch Full House. I had already said no because it's a school night (this rule never changes) and he LOST IT. He's sobbing, screaming at everyone over everything and because my daughter was just infused with dyes and sugar she is running around like a lunatic calling him a baby and such. If he doesn't hit her it will be a miracle! Because he did not get this game today his "entire weekend stunk"...."all Sunday's stink" ..."he never gets ANYTHING he wants" and on and on and on.....He actually broke out in hives from crying so much.

I realized he hid his supplements yesterday and has not had them yet today so I MADE him take them all right in front of me 30 minutes ago, and things have already improved things a bit. 2 days without the fish oil and he can't handle ANYTHING again!! Talk about proof that something works!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 7, 2005

Boy, did you describe my 13 year old son to a tee!! I sure can relate to that! Down to the last detail. My son doesn't have the ADHD, but the AS. He's considered a moderate case. But in my opinion it seems so severe. What is the severe like I wonder? designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

Here is what my day was and this is why we use the fish oil!!

We had to go to a family members 60th birthday party today at a restaurant. Considering the amount of time we were there and the fact that they were the only kids, my children did pretty well. (11/AS/ADHD) had a few moments of saying he was bored and stating 3 things he'd rather be doing (rather loudly as he has little to no voice modulation) he did allot of stimming and some of his tic's were more apparent (blinking). I sat him between my mother (psychotherapist) and my aunt (sped teacher) though so I did not have to deal with any of it. He would have done much worse with me.

Earlier today he fixated himself on the idea that he wanted to rent a video game. I told him not today and he complained and whined (not pretty in 11 year old), I had to hear about how his life stunk and had him ask 20 more times on the way to the party. On the way home it started again immediately (it never stopped at the restaurant but I was not the one who had to hear about it while we were there). I TRIED to tune him out the entire way to Blockbuster (had to return movies). Once there, I dropped DH and the kids while I ran to CVS, when I got back, Gracen (4 nt DD) had a RAINBOW ice pop in her mouth (thanks to hubby) and was crying in the game isle. He was crying because DH got a magazine and Gracen got a pop and he got nothing "he NEVER gets anything" (please!) He whined and yelled at his sister the entire way home and then when we got here he asked if he could stay up until 9:30 to watch Full

House. I had already said no because it's a school night (this rule never changes) and he LOST IT. He's sobbing, screaming at everyone over everything and because my daughter was just infused with dyes and sugar she is running around like a lunatic calling him a baby and such. If he doesn't hit her it will be a miracle! Because he did not get this game today his "entire weekend stunk"...."all Sunday's stink" ..."he never gets ANYTHING he wants" and on and on and on.....He actually broke out in hives from crying so much.

I realized he hid his supplements yesterday and has not had them yet today so I MADE him take them all right in front of me 30 minutes ago, and things have already improved things a bit. 2 days without the fish oil and he can't handle ANYTHING again!! Talk about proof that something works!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 7, 2005

For all I know he's not ADHD, it was the first label he got so they just kept it when they gave him the AS diagnosis. If you ask me the ADD symptoms are just part of the AS but whatever!

He's doing much better today they have given him projects geared to his area of special interests (animals and baseball) So the homework battle is not as bad tonight.

I don't know what I will do about the tantrums and fixating at 13, with MORE testosterone in him....UG, I would have to put him at an emotional age at 8 at best right now!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 7, 2005

Hi ,

>>Boy, did you describe my 13 year old son to a tee!! I sure can relate to

>>that! Down to the last detail. My son doesn't have the ADHD, but the AS.

>>He's considered a moderate case. But in my opinion it seems so severe.

>>What is the severe like I wonder?<<

IMO what is 'mild' or 'severe' is their ability to cope with a confusing

world, and this can vary from day to day, or even minute to minute. They all

share the 'triad of impairments'. In some cases there are additional

problems (greater learning difficulties, some brain damage from difficult

birth or whatever), which make it harder for them to 'pretend to be normal'

and hence they seem more severely affected. Also the rate of development can

vary (and this is not necessarily connected to IQ although that plays a

part), so some appear more NT than others, in some areas anyway.

My son was once described as having 'severe AS' by the consultant, but lots

of people find it hard to believe that he is autistic.

in England

March 7, 2005

You know, I noticed a big difference in his behavior just after he turned 12, He became more angry and lashes out more often, and seems moodier. I'll bet it is the hormones, cause in this past year he's also begun to get beard hair and his voice is deep now and other changes which come with puberty. I didn't know a boy as young as 12 could already get beard hair (not like a grown man of course), but it's there. I never really put two and two together, that this puberty thing could enhance his AS behaviors. I'll bet that's what it is. Hopefully once this puberty thing is over he will calm down just a bit! designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

For all I know he's not ADHD, it was the first label he got so they just kept it when they gave him the AS diagnosis. If you ask me the ADD symptoms are just part of the AS but whatever!

He's doing much better today they have given him projects geared to his area of special interests (animals and baseball) So the homework battle is not as bad tonight.

I don't know what I will do about the tantrums and fixating at 13, with MORE testosterone in him....UG, I would have to put him at an emotional age at 8 at best right now!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 7, 2005

I would almost guarantee you that is it. has a hormone disorder and needs to get his testosterone through injections because his body doesn't get the signal to produce it on it's own. We had made so much progress in getting him to control his outbursts up until this past summer. That is when he started the low level testosterone injections. It is not really bad as he is only getting 15 mg every three weeks (an average boy going through puberty like your son has approx 50mg) but there has been a noticeable decline in control. He is evaluated every 4 months by his specialist and he will be 12 in Oct, at that point the injections are going to start getting higher and closer to 50mg...I shutter to think!! At least I know and "have some control" over what he gets for hormones and when so I can better prepare and brace myself a little better than most lol!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

March 8, 2005

Lots of luck with that charlotte! Hopefully everything will work out. I'm just so glad I joined this group. I have been learning so much! Thanks guys!!! designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

I would almost guarantee you that is it. has a hormone disorder and needs to get his testosterone through injections because his body doesn't get the signal to produce it on it's own. We had made so much progress in getting him to control his outbursts up until this past summer. That is when he started the low level testosterone injections. It is not really bad as he is only getting 15 mg every three weeks (an average boy going through puberty like your son has approx 50mg) but there has been a noticeable decline in control. He is evaluated every 4 months by his specialist and he will be 12 in Oct, at that point the injections are going to start getting higher and closer to 50mg...I shutter to think!! At least I know and "have some control" over what he gets for hormones and when so I can better prepare and brace myself a little better than most lol!

-Charlotte

Re: Re: bellybutton rubbing

This is going to sound terrible but I don't know if it is irritated or aroused?

The geneticist saw him last week. When I told her he stimmed there she said she could see that cause his nipples were pronounced. I don't know how to explain it except that it kind of looks like when a girl begins puberty only smaller.

I did not think you were making light of it. We find ourselves constantly confused by different things with Caleb. Sensory integration issues are new to me. He is terrified of car washes like to a point where he acts like someone is trying to kill him. We don't even suggest it any more. He won't let me cut his hair or nails. He used to let me when he was sleeping but now even that wakes him up. He is afraid to go on anything that moves or makes noises. Sometimes he hears noises that we don't. Sometimes he thinks places move that don't. He was terrified the time we brought the car to get a tire fixed. He thought the garage was like a car wash we think. I took him on a short ferry ride across the Connecticut River; he was absolutely out of control with fear. Things that my other children found enjoyable I have to think about before doing. If I did not know how safe his life has been; I would think he has post traumatic stress order or something.

I thought these were common autistic behaviors, maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, yes as soon as the OT tells me what is up; I will let you know.

JaneSara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:

That's terrible that he does it so much his skin getsirritated. I wasn't trying to make light of it! I'dbe interested to know what you find out . . .Sara --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:> > I don't know if kids grow out of it. When my husband> was talking to his boss about some symptoms Caleb> has that might make him autistic, he told her about> the nipples. She said, "really, my girlfriend's son> (who is about the same age and developing normally)> just asked his mother last week if he could cut off> his nipples. His mother was mortified until he> replied, "I don't need them anymore I am getting> bigger" . . . . .he used to rub his too but he> stopped.> > The professionals tell me it is a "stim" things to> calm

him down or bring stimulation to him if his> body is not getting enough stimulation. > > We are still waiting for the OT to do evaluations so> we do not know.> > I am praying he out grows it, it makes his nipples> puffy because of it. I worry someone will think> weird things too. Fortunately he does it at every> doctors appointment because he is nervous there. But> it is hard explaining it to people. I used to buy> onesie t-shirts (shirts with snaps under his diaper)> so he could not get them. Now he is a size 5 and> they don't make them. It drives me nuts. > I want him to stop but I am told that if I stop one> stim behavior without fixing the reason he is doing> it that another behavior will start. I dread it> being something worse like picking or biting> himself, so I 've decided to ignore it until we meet> with the

OT.> > Jane> Sara Woosley <sjwoosley@...> wrote:> LOL - I'm glad she doesn't rub her nipples! Being a> girl, people would really wonder about my family,> wouldn't they?> > Is this something kids just grow out of? I guess> it's> not a big deal but it seems kind of weird to me. > It's> really no different from thumb-sucking, I guess.> > Sara > --- JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...>> wrote:> > > my son rubs his nipples. usually when he is> nervous> > or over stimulated or tired.> > jane> > > > <Luvourlives@...> wrote:> > > > That is interesting. I haven't heard of rubbing> that> > particular > > area, but I think it is similar to other self> > soothing techniques > > like rubbing

ones hair.> > > > > > > > > > > Do any of your children rub their bellybutton> for> > > calming? My 2 year old dd does this. Is there> > any> > > significance to this or is it just one of those> > > things? Whenever she's upset, she HAS to rub> her> > > bellybutton or she gets more upset.> > > > > > This sounds silly but I don't know anyone else> > whose> > > child does this - or maybe I do but how do you> > ask?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________

> > > Do you ? > > > - Find what you need with new> enhanced> > search.> > > http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > > > > >

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