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Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in Saudi Arabia, if they are

importing their terminally ill here to receive the very short quantity US

organs?

Sal

It's not about money.

As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador for One Legacy, the

So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network that governs St

's....so before someone else posts this article and Ric says

that it's all about money,....and I get a few emails asking me how I

can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought I'd post it

myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it really isn't about

money.

It's not about money when we go stand in the sun for health fairs,

walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is we're helping with

this week. It isn't about money when we give up our Saturday so we

can be at the local mall's organ donation booth encouraging strangers

to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't about money when

we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float and have to put

our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or climb up high even

though we;re scared and somehow always end up with glue on our hair

that we can't remove for days.

I do this to build a net for those of you wqho don't clear....it

isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is so much more than

money....

Silvia

Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to Be Fatal

By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

Times Staff Writers

October 13, 2005

In January 2003, after more than two years on a waiting list for a liver

transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered sick enough to rank near

the top.

If a donated organ became available, he would have only a few hours to get

to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

But that same month, Dr. R. Jr., then-director of the

hospital's liver transplant program, told him he faced a long wait and was

better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to Al-Harthi's son Majed.

That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the hospital accepted a liver in his

name.

and Dr. Ramos, his assistant director, transplanted the organ

into another Saudi national 50 places behind him on the list,

St.

officials now acknowledge. The misallocation, reported by The Times

last month, is a serious breach of the national code governing placement of

donated organs.

Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less than a year later from liver

cancer that had spread throughout his body. He was 59.

" They killed my father, " Majed Al-Harthi said in a telephone interview from

Rome, where he works for a Saudi oil and gas company. " Intentionally or

unintentionally, they killed him, and they have to

be

punished for it. "

For months leading up to the inappropriate transplant, and for months

afterward, the hospital misled Al-Harthi, his family and the Saudi Embassy

in Washington about his prospects for a liver, according to letters and

e-mails from hospital staff that were reviewed by The Times.

Although the motive behind the transplant switch remains a mystery,

the

tactic was clear: use one patient's position on the list to obtain an organ

for somebody else. In doing so, the hospital bypassed not only Al-Harthi but

dozens of other patients in Southern California whose conditions were deemed

more dire than the recipient's.

Eventually the hospital lost track of Al-Harthi, a popular school principal

in his hometown of Taif. St. administrators learned of his death

from Times reporters this week.

Hospital and transplant officials did not identify the transplant candidates

in question, referring to them only as patients A and B.

The

Times has verified the names with three knowledgeable people,

including

two who have seen the names in hospital documents.

The sources requested anonymity because of patient privacy rules.

Medical leaders at the hospital have hired outside experts to

determine

if and Ramos acted improperly. has resigned from the medical

staff, said hospital spokesman Silva. Ramos remains on

the

staff but has stepped down from the chairmanship of the medical center's

bioethics committee.

The hospital administration is also looking at the conduct of other

employees, including two who have said they falsified records as instructed

either directly or indirectly by , according to Silva.

The hospital suspended all liver transplants more than two weeks ago after a

routine audit caught the problem, and officials are looking into whether any

other organs might have been improperly diverted.

Under national transplant rules, the hospital should have turned down the

liver because the intended recipient, Al-Harthi, was unavailable.

A

patient at UCLA Medical Center was next in line on the list, and doctors

there were ready to accept the organ.

In rare instances, physicians can transplant a liver accepted for one

patient into another - but only after consultation with the local organ

procurement agency. The hospital is also required to justify

such

actions to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which administers the

national transplant system.

Neither agency was consulted in this case.

For more than a year after the September 2003 transplant, St. filed

documents with the national network showing, falsely, that Al-Harthi had

received the liver and was doing well, the hospital has acknowledged.

In fact, the evidence suggests that the surgeons had little intention of

transplanting a liver into Al-Harthi.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

Saad Al-Harthi, a father of five, had a home library of more than

2,000

books and was known around Taif for his charitable demeanor.

He began searching for a liver transplant center in 2000 after his doctors

told him he might have cancer.

It wasn't urgent, but his family was worried because he also had hepatitis

C, another potentially lethal disease of the liver.

Foreign nationals are allowed to seek transplants in the United

States,

and Al-Harthi settled on St. because several Saudi friends had

traveled there for treatment for a variety of ailments. When he

visited

for the first time that October, the hospital placed him on the regional

transplant list and he went home.

The Saudi government agreed to pay his medical bills and travel expenses, as

it commonly does for its most seriously ill citizens. Majed, who speaks

English, routinely served as a long-distance translator between his father

and the medical staff at the hospital.

In January 2003, on Al-Harthi's fourth visit to St. , he was told

that his condition was stable and that he was still an excellent candidate

for a transplant.

" It is crucial that Mr. Al-Harthi return to the United States at least once

a year to update his evaluation and status on the waiting list, " wrote

to the Saudi Embassy in a letter dated Jan. 13, 2003.

But Al-Harthi's score on the standardized medical assessment used to rank

liver transplant candidates showed the situation to be more

urgent

than suggested.

By the end of that month, Al-Harthi's score, 30, had put him in strong

contention for a liver, said Tom Mone, chief executive of OneLegacy, the

regional organ procurement agency.

A score of 30 or higher typically ensures an imminent transplant, said Dr.

Busuttil, the head liver transplant surgeon at UCLA. He

said

he would tell such a patient that " you need to come and live right

next

to the hospital. "

Back in Saudi Arabia, Al-Harthi was nervous about his health. He

prayed

for a liver, and his suitcase was always packed.

All summer, his name crept up the list, as patients ahead of him got livers

or died.

His turn came Sept. 8.

OneLegacy called the St. transplant coordinator to say a donated

liver had become available for Al-Harthi, Mone said. The fact that the

patient was in Saudi Arabia didn't stop the hospital from accepting the

organ.

There was someone else in the hospital who could use it.

Abdullah Al-Bugami, 42, also happened to be a Saudi national - and was,

according to the Saudi Embassy, a poor man. Suffering from hepatitis B and

liver failure, he had been on the regional waiting

list

since February 2002, according to the embassy. But he was still not sick

enough to qualify for a top spot, hospital officials said.

Despite the ranking, Al-Bugami had been in the hospital for a month.

" He was very sick ... swelling all over, " said Debbie Wahler, a nurse

practitioner who worked in the liver transplant program at the time. " He was

in a lot of abdominal pain. "

headed to an Inland Empire hospital to remove the liver from a

brain-dead donor, Mone said.

At 9:46 a.m., placed a clamp on the aorta, cutting blood flow to the

organs, Mone said. Thirty-two minutes later, the surgeon removed the liver,

put it on ice and returned to St. . Al-Bugami was waiting.

Ramos led the transplant.

His lawyer, Evelina Serafini, said Ramos knew the organ had been intended

for Al-Harthi but assumed that staff had received permission from organ

procurement officials for it to be reallocated. Ramos

always

left the paperwork to the administrative staff, Serafini said.

referred calls to his attorney, Fisher, who declined to comment.

Al-Bugami's surgery was completed by 5 p.m., said Mone - about seven hours

after the liver was removed from the donor.

It was a quick turnaround for a donated liver. They can remain viable for

transplant up to 12 hours, depending on the quality of the organ.

" We would have had time to make other calls and transport the organ to

another facility, " Mone said.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

The coverup began the next day.

A clerk logged on to the national organ registry and accurately reported

that Al-Bugami had received the liver, hospital officials said.

But about three hours later, the officials said, the clerk signed on again

to say that he had erred and that it was Al-Harthi who had received the

organ.

The clerk later told hospital officials that a nurse had asked him to

falsify the electronic record at the request of , St. President

Gus Valdespino has said.

Al-Harthi was scratched from the list but left to believe that his

turn

would still come.

wrote to the Saudi Embassy to arrange Al-Harthi's next visit.

The

doctor was not in a hurry.

" This reassessment is not urgent and could take place any time over

the

next 3-4 months, " he wrote Jan. 12, 2004. " This will be necessary to

determine if his liver disease has progressed significantly and to estimate

the timing of his transplant operation. "

Al-Harthi's prayers were growing more desperate.

He was losing weight, and his Saudi doctor had detected dark spots on his

liver, according to his son.

When Al-Harthi finally came to the United States in mid-April 2004,

gave him the bad news: Cancer had spread throughout his body, disqualifying

him from the list. told Al-Harthi that his best option was to " go back

and spend the rest of his days with his

family, "

the son said.

At his funeral four months later, 2,000 people showed up, he said.

" My family still feels like he died a month ago, " he said.

As for Al-Bugami, who received the liver, he is doing well, according to a

spokesman at the Saudi Embassy.

The Saudi government, which paid for the transplant, is contemplating

whether it should send any more of its citizens to St. , the

spokesman said.

Copyright C 2005, The Los Angeles Times

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Silvia

Its never about the money with you and me... I am totally convinced that some of

us do this because we really care about people.. the drug companies, well, they

are a different story...

You keep up your wonderful work here hon, we ALL DO appreciate what you do to

help us...

love you hon

jax

Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in Saudi Arabia, if they are

importing their terminally ill here to receive the very short quantity US

organs?

Sal

It's not about money.

As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador for One Legacy, the

So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network that governs St

's....so before someone else posts this article and Ric says

that it's all about money,....and I get a few emails asking me how I

can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought I'd post it

myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it really isn't about

money.

It's not about money when we go stand in the sun for health fairs,

walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is we're helping with

this week. It isn't about money when we give up our Saturday so we

can be at the local mall's organ donation booth encouraging strangers

to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't about money when

we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float and have to put

our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or climb up high even

though we;re scared and somehow always end up with glue on our hair

that we can't remove for days.

I do this to build a net for those of you wqho don't clear....it

isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is so much more than

money....

Silvia

Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to Be Fatal

By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

Times Staff Writers

October 13, 2005

In January 2003, after more than two years on a waiting list for a liver

transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered sick enough to rank near

the top.

If a donated organ became available, he would have only a few hours to get

to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

But that same month, Dr. R. Jr., then-director of the

hospital's liver transplant program, told him he faced a long wait and was

better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to Al-Harthi's son Majed.

That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the hospital accepted a liver in his

name.

and Dr. Ramos, his assistant director, transplanted the organ

into another Saudi national 50 places behind him on the list,

St.

officials now acknowledge. The misallocation, reported by The Times

last month, is a serious breach of the national code governing placement of

donated organs.

Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less than a year later from liver

cancer that had spread throughout his body. He was 59.

" They killed my father, " Majed Al-Harthi said in a telephone interview from

Rome, where he works for a Saudi oil and gas company. " Intentionally or

unintentionally, they killed him, and they have to

be

punished for it. "

For months leading up to the inappropriate transplant, and for months

afterward, the hospital misled Al-Harthi, his family and the Saudi Embassy

in Washington about his prospects for a liver, according to letters and

e-mails from hospital staff that were reviewed by The Times.

Although the motive behind the transplant switch remains a mystery,

the

tactic was clear: use one patient's position on the list to obtain an organ

for somebody else. In doing so, the hospital bypassed not only Al-Harthi but

dozens of other patients in Southern California whose conditions were deemed

more dire than the recipient's.

Eventually the hospital lost track of Al-Harthi, a popular school principal

in his hometown of Taif. St. administrators learned of his death

from Times reporters this week.

Hospital and transplant officials did not identify the transplant candidates

in question, referring to them only as patients A and B.

The

Times has verified the names with three knowledgeable people,

including

two who have seen the names in hospital documents.

The sources requested anonymity because of patient privacy rules.

Medical leaders at the hospital have hired outside experts to

determine

if and Ramos acted improperly. has resigned from the medical

staff, said hospital spokesman Silva. Ramos remains on

the

staff but has stepped down from the chairmanship of the medical center's

bioethics committee.

The hospital administration is also looking at the conduct of other

employees, including two who have said they falsified records as instructed

either directly or indirectly by , according to Silva.

The hospital suspended all liver transplants more than two weeks ago after a

routine audit caught the problem, and officials are looking into whether any

other organs might have been improperly diverted.

Under national transplant rules, the hospital should have turned down the

liver because the intended recipient, Al-Harthi, was unavailable.

A

patient at UCLA Medical Center was next in line on the list, and doctors

there were ready to accept the organ.

In rare instances, physicians can transplant a liver accepted for one

patient into another - but only after consultation with the local organ

procurement agency. The hospital is also required to justify

such

actions to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which administers the

national transplant system.

Neither agency was consulted in this case.

For more than a year after the September 2003 transplant, St. filed

documents with the national network showing, falsely, that Al-Harthi had

received the liver and was doing well, the hospital has acknowledged.

In fact, the evidence suggests that the surgeons had little intention of

transplanting a liver into Al-Harthi.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

Saad Al-Harthi, a father of five, had a home library of more than

2,000

books and was known around Taif for his charitable demeanor.

He began searching for a liver transplant center in 2000 after his doctors

told him he might have cancer.

It wasn't urgent, but his family was worried because he also had hepatitis

C, another potentially lethal disease of the liver.

Foreign nationals are allowed to seek transplants in the United

States,

and Al-Harthi settled on St. because several Saudi friends had

traveled there for treatment for a variety of ailments. When he

visited

for the first time that October, the hospital placed him on the regional

transplant list and he went home.

The Saudi government agreed to pay his medical bills and travel expenses, as

it commonly does for its most seriously ill citizens. Majed, who speaks

English, routinely served as a long-distance translator between his father

and the medical staff at the hospital.

In January 2003, on Al-Harthi's fourth visit to St. , he was told

that his condition was stable and that he was still an excellent candidate

for a transplant.

" It is crucial that Mr. Al-Harthi return to the United States at least once

a year to update his evaluation and status on the waiting list, " wrote

to the Saudi Embassy in a letter dated Jan. 13, 2003.

But Al-Harthi's score on the standardized medical assessment used to rank

liver transplant candidates showed the situation to be more

urgent

than suggested.

By the end of that month, Al-Harthi's score, 30, had put him in strong

contention for a liver, said Tom Mone, chief executive of OneLegacy, the

regional organ procurement agency.

A score of 30 or higher typically ensures an imminent transplant, said Dr.

Busuttil, the head liver transplant surgeon at UCLA. He

said

he would tell such a patient that " you need to come and live right

next

to the hospital. "

Back in Saudi Arabia, Al-Harthi was nervous about his health. He

prayed

for a liver, and his suitcase was always packed.

All summer, his name crept up the list, as patients ahead of him got livers

or died.

His turn came Sept. 8.

OneLegacy called the St. transplant coordinator to say a donated

liver had become available for Al-Harthi, Mone said. The fact that the

patient was in Saudi Arabia didn't stop the hospital from accepting the

organ.

There was someone else in the hospital who could use it.

Abdullah Al-Bugami, 42, also happened to be a Saudi national - and was,

according to the Saudi Embassy, a poor man. Suffering from hepatitis B and

liver failure, he had been on the regional waiting

list

since February 2002, according to the embassy. But he was still not sick

enough to qualify for a top spot, hospital officials said.

Despite the ranking, Al-Bugami had been in the hospital for a month.

" He was very sick ... swelling all over, " said Debbie Wahler, a nurse

practitioner who worked in the liver transplant program at the time. " He was

in a lot of abdominal pain. "

headed to an Inland Empire hospital to remove the liver from a

brain-dead donor, Mone said.

At 9:46 a.m., placed a clamp on the aorta, cutting blood flow to the

organs, Mone said. Thirty-two minutes later, the surgeon removed the liver,

put it on ice and returned to St. . Al-Bugami was waiting.

Ramos led the transplant.

His lawyer, Evelina Serafini, said Ramos knew the organ had been intended

for Al-Harthi but assumed that staff had received permission from organ

procurement officials for it to be reallocated. Ramos

always

left the paperwork to the administrative staff, Serafini said.

referred calls to his attorney, Fisher, who declined to comment.

Al-Bugami's surgery was completed by 5 p.m., said Mone - about seven hours

after the liver was removed from the donor.

It was a quick turnaround for a donated liver. They can remain viable for

transplant up to 12 hours, depending on the quality of the organ.

" We would have had time to make other calls and transport the organ to

another facility, " Mone said.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

The coverup began the next day.

A clerk logged on to the national organ registry and accurately reported

that Al-Bugami had received the liver, hospital officials said.

But about three hours later, the officials said, the clerk signed on again

to say that he had erred and that it was Al-Harthi who had received the

organ.

The clerk later told hospital officials that a nurse had asked him to

falsify the electronic record at the request of , St. President

Gus Valdespino has said.

Al-Harthi was scratched from the list but left to believe that his

turn

would still come.

wrote to the Saudi Embassy to arrange Al-Harthi's next visit.

The

doctor was not in a hurry.

" This reassessment is not urgent and could take place any time over

the

next 3-4 months, " he wrote Jan. 12, 2004. " This will be necessary to

determine if his liver disease has progressed significantly and to estimate

the timing of his transplant operation. "

Al-Harthi's prayers were growing more desperate.

He was losing weight, and his Saudi doctor had detected dark spots on his

liver, according to his son.

When Al-Harthi finally came to the United States in mid-April 2004,

gave him the bad news: Cancer had spread throughout his body, disqualifying

him from the list. told Al-Harthi that his best option was to " go back

and spend the rest of his days with his

family, "

the son said.

At his funeral four months later, 2,000 people showed up, he said.

" My family still feels like he died a month ago, " he said.

As for Al-Bugami, who received the liver, he is doing well, according to a

spokesman at the Saudi Embassy.

The Saudi government, which paid for the transplant, is contemplating

whether it should send any more of its citizens to St. , the

spokesman said.

Copyright C 2005, The Los Angeles Times

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Non-U.S. citizens historically give more organs than they take. That

means that it is much more likely for a non-US resident to give the

gift of life than receive the gift of life. UNOS regulates that only

5% of the US transplant list can be foreign nationals.

Silvia

>

> Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in Saudi Arabia, if

they are

> importing their terminally ill here to receive the very short

quantity US

> organs?

>

> Sal

>

> It's not about money.

>

>

>

> As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador for One Legacy,

the

> So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network that governs St

> 's....so before someone else posts this article and Ric says

> that it's all about money,....and I get a few emails asking me how

I

> can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought I'd post it

> myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it really isn't

about

> money.

>

> It's not about money when we go stand in the sun for health fairs,

> walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is we're helping

with

> this week. It isn't about money when we give up our Saturday so we

> can be at the local mall's organ donation booth encouraging

strangers

> to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't about money when

> we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float and have to put

> our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or climb up high even

> though we;re scared and somehow always end up with glue on our hair

> that we can't remove for days.

>

> I do this to build a net for those of you wqho don't clear....it

> isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is so much more than

> money....

>

> Silvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to Be Fatal

>

> By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> Times Staff Writers

>

> October 13, 2005

>

> In January 2003, after more than two years on a waiting list for a

liver

> transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered sick enough to

rank near

> the top.

>

> If a donated organ became available, he would have only a few hours

to get

> to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

>

> But that same month, Dr. R. Jr., then-director of the

> hospital's liver transplant program, told him he faced a long wait

and was

> better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to Al-Harthi's son

Majed.

>

> That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the hospital accepted a

liver in his

> name.

>

> and Dr. Ramos, his assistant director, transplanted

the organ

> into another Saudi national 50 places behind him on the list,

> St.

> officials now acknowledge. The misallocation, reported by

The Times

> last month, is a serious breach of the national code governing

placement of

> donated organs.

>

> Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less than a year later

from liver

> cancer that had spread throughout his body. He was 59.

>

> " They killed my father, " Majed Al-Harthi said in a telephone

interview from

> Rome, where he works for a Saudi oil and gas

company. " Intentionally or

> unintentionally, they killed him, and they have to

> be

> punished for it. "

>

> For months leading up to the inappropriate transplant, and for

months

> afterward, the hospital misled Al-Harthi, his family and the Saudi

Embassy

> in Washington about his prospects for a liver, according to letters

and

> e-mails from hospital staff that were reviewed by The Times.

>

> Although the motive behind the transplant switch remains a mystery,

> the

> tactic was clear: use one patient's position on the list to obtain

an organ

> for somebody else. In doing so, the hospital bypassed not only Al-

Harthi but

> dozens of other patients in Southern California whose conditions

were deemed

> more dire than the recipient's.

>

> Eventually the hospital lost track of Al-Harthi, a popular school

principal

> in his hometown of Taif. St. administrators learned of his

death

> from Times reporters this week.

>

> Hospital and transplant officials did not identify the transplant

candidates

> in question, referring to them only as patients A and B.

> The

> Times has verified the names with three knowledgeable people,

> including

> two who have seen the names in hospital documents.

>

> The sources requested anonymity because of patient privacy rules.

>

> Medical leaders at the hospital have hired outside experts to

> determine

> if and Ramos acted improperly. has resigned from the

medical

> staff, said hospital spokesman Silva. Ramos remains on

> the

> staff but has stepped down from the chairmanship of the medical

center's

> bioethics committee.

>

> The hospital administration is also looking at the conduct of other

> employees, including two who have said they falsified records as

instructed

> either directly or indirectly by , according to Silva.

>

> The hospital suspended all liver transplants more than two weeks

ago after a

> routine audit caught the problem, and officials are looking into

whether any

> other organs might have been improperly diverted.

>

> Under national transplant rules, the hospital should have turned

down the

> liver because the intended recipient, Al-Harthi, was unavailable.

> A

> patient at UCLA Medical Center was next in line on the list, and

doctors

> there were ready to accept the organ.

>

> In rare instances, physicians can transplant a liver accepted for

one

> patient into another - but only after consultation with the local

organ

> procurement agency. The hospital is also required to justify

> such

> actions to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which administers

the

> national transplant system.

>

> Neither agency was consulted in this case.

>

> For more than a year after the September 2003 transplant, St.

filed

> documents with the national network showing, falsely, that Al-

Harthi had

> received the liver and was doing well, the hospital has

acknowledged.

>

> In fact, the evidence suggests that the surgeons had little

intention of

> transplanting a liver into Al-Harthi.

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

>

>

> Saad Al-Harthi, a father of five, had a home library of more than

> 2,000

> books and was known around Taif for his charitable demeanor.

>

> He began searching for a liver transplant center in 2000 after his

doctors

> told him he might have cancer.

>

> It wasn't urgent, but his family was worried because he also had

hepatitis

> C, another potentially lethal disease of the liver.

>

> Foreign nationals are allowed to seek transplants in the United

> States,

> and Al-Harthi settled on St. because several Saudi friends

had

> traveled there for treatment for a variety of ailments. When he

> visited

> for the first time that October, the hospital placed him on the

regional

> transplant list and he went home.

>

> The Saudi government agreed to pay his medical bills and travel

expenses, as

> it commonly does for its most seriously ill citizens. Majed, who

speaks

> English, routinely served as a long-distance translator between his

father

> and the medical staff at the hospital.

>

> In January 2003, on Al-Harthi's fourth visit to St. , he was

told

> that his condition was stable and that he was still an excellent

candidate

> for a transplant.

>

> " It is crucial that Mr. Al-Harthi return to the United States at

least once

> a year to update his evaluation and status on the waiting list, "

wrote

> to the Saudi Embassy in a letter dated Jan. 13, 2003.

>

> But Al-Harthi's score on the standardized medical assessment used

to rank

> liver transplant candidates showed the situation to be more

> urgent

> than suggested.

>

> By the end of that month, Al-Harthi's score, 30, had put him in

strong

> contention for a liver, said Tom Mone, chief executive of

OneLegacy, the

> regional organ procurement agency.

>

> A score of 30 or higher typically ensures an imminent transplant,

said Dr.

> Busuttil, the head liver transplant surgeon at UCLA. He

> said

> he would tell such a patient that " you need to come and live right

> next

> to the hospital. "

>

> Back in Saudi Arabia, Al-Harthi was nervous about his health. He

> prayed

> for a liver, and his suitcase was always packed.

>

> All summer, his name crept up the list, as patients ahead of him

got livers

> or died.

>

> His turn came Sept. 8.

>

> OneLegacy called the St. transplant coordinator to say a

donated

> liver had become available for Al-Harthi, Mone said. The fact that

the

> patient was in Saudi Arabia didn't stop the hospital from accepting

the

> organ.

>

> There was someone else in the hospital who could use it.

>

> Abdullah Al-Bugami, 42, also happened to be a Saudi national - and

was,

> according to the Saudi Embassy, a poor man. Suffering from

hepatitis B and

> liver failure, he had been on the regional waiting

> list

> since February 2002, according to the embassy. But he was still not

sick

> enough to qualify for a top spot, hospital officials said.

>

> Despite the ranking, Al-Bugami had been in the hospital for a month.

>

> " He was very sick ... swelling all over, " said Debbie Wahler, a

nurse

> practitioner who worked in the liver transplant program at the

time. " He was

> in a lot of abdominal pain. "

>

> headed to an Inland Empire hospital to remove the liver from a

> brain-dead donor, Mone said.

>

> At 9:46 a.m., placed a clamp on the aorta, cutting blood flow

to the

> organs, Mone said. Thirty-two minutes later, the surgeon removed

the liver,

> put it on ice and returned to St. . Al-Bugami was waiting.

>

> Ramos led the transplant.

>

> His lawyer, Evelina Serafini, said Ramos knew the organ had been

intended

> for Al-Harthi but assumed that staff had received permission from

organ

> procurement officials for it to be reallocated. Ramos

> always

> left the paperwork to the administrative staff, Serafini said.

>

> referred calls to his attorney, Fisher, who declined to

comment.

>

> Al-Bugami's surgery was completed by 5 p.m., said Mone - about

seven hours

> after the liver was removed from the donor.

>

> It was a quick turnaround for a donated liver. They can remain

viable for

> transplant up to 12 hours, depending on the quality of the organ.

>

> " We would have had time to make other calls and transport the organ

to

> another facility, " Mone said.

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

>

>

> The coverup began the next day.

>

> A clerk logged on to the national organ registry and accurately

reported

> that Al-Bugami had received the liver, hospital officials said.

>

> But about three hours later, the officials said, the clerk signed

on again

> to say that he had erred and that it was Al-Harthi who had received

the

> organ.

>

> The clerk later told hospital officials that a nurse had asked him

to

> falsify the electronic record at the request of , St.

President

> Gus Valdespino has said.

>

> Al-Harthi was scratched from the list but left to believe that his

> turn

> would still come.

>

> wrote to the Saudi Embassy to arrange Al-Harthi's next visit.

> The

> doctor was not in a hurry.

>

> " This reassessment is not urgent and could take place any time over

> the

> next 3-4 months, " he wrote Jan. 12, 2004. " This will be necessary to

> determine if his liver disease has progressed significantly and to

estimate

> the timing of his transplant operation. "

>

> Al-Harthi's prayers were growing more desperate.

>

> He was losing weight, and his Saudi doctor had detected dark spots

on his

> liver, according to his son.

>

> When Al-Harthi finally came to the United States in mid-April 2004,

> gave him the bad news: Cancer had spread throughout his body,

disqualifying

> him from the list. told Al-Harthi that his best option was

to " go back

> and spend the rest of his days with his

> family, "

> the son said.

>

> At his funeral four months later, 2,000 people showed up, he said.

>

> " My family still feels like he died a month ago, " he said.

>

> As for Al-Bugami, who received the liver, he is doing well,

according to a

> spokesman at the Saudi Embassy.

>

> The Saudi government, which paid for the transplant, is

contemplating

> whether it should send any more of its citizens to St. , the

> spokesman said.

> Copyright C 2005, The Los Angeles Times

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you

have found

> the support you need with us.

>

> If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our

group, just

> click the link-- Hepatitis C/

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Got some new figures today....

STATS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

Recent data shows that across the US, 1% of transplant recipients are

of foreign nationals and 2% of donors are foreign nationals. Also,

3.4% of recipients are non-US citizens and 6% of donors are non-US

citizens. Thus, both measures are below the federal limit of 5% of

transplants and both indicate that foreigners give a good deal more

than they receive.

In September, OneLegacy, the So CA Organ Procurement Network,

transplanted more organs than ever before in our company's history.

In the 72 hours after news of St. 's Liver Program, 11

families were approached about donation, 10 families gave consent and

9 actually became donors.

In September:

37 Organ donors

40 Tissue donors

127 organs transplanted

3.43 organs per donor

This makes OneLegacy on track for a 12% increase in consent rates for

2005 and a 6th consecutive year of increases in donation. Hard work

does pay off!!!

I am also happy to report that Governor Schwarzenegger signed Senate

Bill 689 into law.

This important legislation will make the California Department of

Motor Vehicles (DMV) a partner with the new Donate Life California

Registry. Starting in July 2006, the DMV will start to collect

people's donor designation and then electronically transfer the

information into the Donate Life California database on a weekly

basis. Because of this connection the Donate Life California

Registry can expect to see 40% to 70% of the state's population

signed up as organ donors!!!

Hope....is alive and well ladies and gentlemen. Reporting from CA.

Silvia

Hey Ric! I'm practicing for the radio program. How did I do?......LOL

>

> Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in Saudi Arabia, if

they are

> importing their terminally ill here to receive the very short

quantity US

> organs?

>

> Sal

>

> It's not about money.

>

>

>

> As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador for One Legacy,

the

> So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network that governs St

> 's....so before someone else posts this article and Ric says

> that it's all about money,....and I get a few emails asking me how

I

> can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought I'd post it

> myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it really isn't

about

> money.

>

> It's not about money when we go stand in the sun for health fairs,

> walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is we're helping

with

> this week. It isn't about money when we give up our Saturday so we

> can be at the local mall's organ donation booth encouraging

strangers

> to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't about money when

> we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float and have to put

> our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or climb up high even

> though we;re scared and somehow always end up with glue on our hair

> that we can't remove for days.

>

> I do this to build a net for those of you wqho don't clear....it

> isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is so much more than

> money....

>

> Silvia

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to Be Fatal

>

> By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> Times Staff Writers

>

> October 13, 2005

>

> In January 2003, after more than two years on a waiting list for a

liver

> transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered sick enough to

rank near

> the top.

>

> If a donated organ became available, he would have only a few hours

to get

> to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

>

> But that same month, Dr. R. Jr., then-director of the

> hospital's liver transplant program, told him he faced a long wait

and was

> better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to Al-Harthi's son

Majed.

>

> That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the hospital accepted a

liver in his

> name.

>

> and Dr. Ramos, his assistant director, transplanted

the organ

> into another Saudi national 50 places behind him on the list,

> St.

> officials now acknowledge. The misallocation, reported by

The Times

> last month, is a serious breach of the national code governing

placement of

> donated organs.

>

> Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less than a year later

from liver

> cancer that had spread throughout his body. He was 59.

>

> " They killed my father, " Majed Al-Harthi said in a telephone

interview from

> Rome, where he works for a Saudi oil and gas

company. " Intentionally or

> unintentionally, they killed him, and they have to

> be

> punished for it. "

>

> For months leading up to the inappropriate transplant, and for

months

> afterward, the hospital misled Al-Harthi, his family and the Saudi

Embassy

> in Washington about his prospects for a liver, according to letters

and

> e-mails from hospital staff that were reviewed by The Times.

>

> Although the motive behind the transplant switch remains a mystery,

> the

> tactic was clear: use one patient's position on the list to obtain

an organ

> for somebody else. In doing so, the hospital bypassed not only Al-

Harthi but

> dozens of other patients in Southern California whose conditions

were deemed

> more dire than the recipient's.

>

> Eventually the hospital lost track of Al-Harthi, a popular school

principal

> in his hometown of Taif. St. administrators learned of his

death

> from Times reporters this week.

>

> Hospital and transplant officials did not identify the transplant

candidates

> in question, referring to them only as patients A and B.

> The

> Times has verified the names with three knowledgeable people,

> including

> two who have seen the names in hospital documents.

>

> The sources requested anonymity because of patient privacy rules.

>

> Medical leaders at the hospital have hired outside experts to

> determine

> if and Ramos acted improperly. has resigned from the

medical

> staff, said hospital spokesman Silva. Ramos remains on

> the

> staff but has stepped down from the chairmanship of the medical

center's

> bioethics committee.

>

> The hospital administration is also looking at the conduct of other

> employees, including two who have said they falsified records as

instructed

> either directly or indirectly by , according to Silva.

>

> The hospital suspended all liver transplants more than two weeks

ago after a

> routine audit caught the problem, and officials are looking into

whether any

> other organs might have been improperly diverted.

>

> Under national transplant rules, the hospital should have turned

down the

> liver because the intended recipient, Al-Harthi, was unavailable.

> A

> patient at UCLA Medical Center was next in line on the list, and

doctors

> there were ready to accept the organ.

>

> In rare instances, physicians can transplant a liver accepted for

one

> patient into another - but only after consultation with the local

organ

> procurement agency. The hospital is also required to justify

> such

> actions to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which administers

the

> national transplant system.

>

> Neither agency was consulted in this case.

>

> For more than a year after the September 2003 transplant, St.

filed

> documents with the national network showing, falsely, that Al-

Harthi had

> received the liver and was doing well, the hospital has

acknowledged.

>

> In fact, the evidence suggests that the surgeons had little

intention of

> transplanting a liver into Al-Harthi.

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

>

>

> Saad Al-Harthi, a father of five, had a home library of more than

> 2,000

> books and was known around Taif for his charitable demeanor.

>

> He began searching for a liver transplant center in 2000 after his

doctors

> told him he might have cancer.

>

> It wasn't urgent, but his family was worried because he also had

hepatitis

> C, another potentially lethal disease of the liver.

>

> Foreign nationals are allowed to seek transplants in the United

> States,

> and Al-Harthi settled on St. because several Saudi friends

had

> traveled there for treatment for a variety of ailments. When he

> visited

> for the first time that October, the hospital placed him on the

regional

> transplant list and he went home.

>

> The Saudi government agreed to pay his medical bills and travel

expenses, as

> it commonly does for its most seriously ill citizens. Majed, who

speaks

> English, routinely served as a long-distance translator between his

father

> and the medical staff at the hospital.

>

> In January 2003, on Al-Harthi's fourth visit to St. , he was

told

> that his condition was stable and that he was still an excellent

candidate

> for a transplant.

>

> " It is crucial that Mr. Al-Harthi return to the United States at

least once

> a year to update his evaluation and status on the waiting list, "

wrote

> to the Saudi Embassy in a letter dated Jan. 13, 2003.

>

> But Al-Harthi's score on the standardized medical assessment used

to rank

> liver transplant candidates showed the situation to be more

> urgent

> than suggested.

>

> By the end of that month, Al-Harthi's score, 30, had put him in

strong

> contention for a liver, said Tom Mone, chief executive of

OneLegacy, the

> regional organ procurement agency.

>

> A score of 30 or higher typically ensures an imminent transplant,

said Dr.

> Busuttil, the head liver transplant surgeon at UCLA. He

> said

> he would tell such a patient that " you need to come and live right

> next

> to the hospital. "

>

> Back in Saudi Arabia, Al-Harthi was nervous about his health. He

> prayed

> for a liver, and his suitcase was always packed.

>

> All summer, his name crept up the list, as patients ahead of him

got livers

> or died.

>

> His turn came Sept. 8.

>

> OneLegacy called the St. transplant coordinator to say a

donated

> liver had become available for Al-Harthi, Mone said. The fact that

the

> patient was in Saudi Arabia didn't stop the hospital from accepting

the

> organ.

>

> There was someone else in the hospital who could use it.

>

> Abdullah Al-Bugami, 42, also happened to be a Saudi national - and

was,

> according to the Saudi Embassy, a poor man. Suffering from

hepatitis B and

> liver failure, he had been on the regional waiting

> list

> since February 2002, according to the embassy. But he was still not

sick

> enough to qualify for a top spot, hospital officials said.

>

> Despite the ranking, Al-Bugami had been in the hospital for a month.

>

> " He was very sick ... swelling all over, " said Debbie Wahler, a

nurse

> practitioner who worked in the liver transplant program at the

time. " He was

> in a lot of abdominal pain. "

>

> headed to an Inland Empire hospital to remove the liver from a

> brain-dead donor, Mone said.

>

> At 9:46 a.m., placed a clamp on the aorta, cutting blood flow

to the

> organs, Mone said. Thirty-two minutes later, the surgeon removed

the liver,

> put it on ice and returned to St. . Al-Bugami was waiting.

>

> Ramos led the transplant.

>

> His lawyer, Evelina Serafini, said Ramos knew the organ had been

intended

> for Al-Harthi but assumed that staff had received permission from

organ

> procurement officials for it to be reallocated. Ramos

> always

> left the paperwork to the administrative staff, Serafini said.

>

> referred calls to his attorney, Fisher, who declined to

comment.

>

> Al-Bugami's surgery was completed by 5 p.m., said Mone - about

seven hours

> after the liver was removed from the donor.

>

> It was a quick turnaround for a donated liver. They can remain

viable for

> transplant up to 12 hours, depending on the quality of the organ.

>

> " We would have had time to make other calls and transport the organ

to

> another facility, " Mone said.

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

>

>

> The coverup began the next day.

>

> A clerk logged on to the national organ registry and accurately

reported

> that Al-Bugami had received the liver, hospital officials said.

>

> But about three hours later, the officials said, the clerk signed

on again

> to say that he had erred and that it was Al-Harthi who had received

the

> organ.

>

> The clerk later told hospital officials that a nurse had asked him

to

> falsify the electronic record at the request of , St.

President

> Gus Valdespino has said.

>

> Al-Harthi was scratched from the list but left to believe that his

> turn

> would still come.

>

> wrote to the Saudi Embassy to arrange Al-Harthi's next visit.

> The

> doctor was not in a hurry.

>

> " This reassessment is not urgent and could take place any time over

> the

> next 3-4 months, " he wrote Jan. 12, 2004. " This will be necessary to

> determine if his liver disease has progressed significantly and to

estimate

> the timing of his transplant operation. "

>

> Al-Harthi's prayers were growing more desperate.

>

> He was losing weight, and his Saudi doctor had detected dark spots

on his

> liver, according to his son.

>

> When Al-Harthi finally came to the United States in mid-April 2004,

> gave him the bad news: Cancer had spread throughout his body,

disqualifying

> him from the list. told Al-Harthi that his best option was

to " go back

> and spend the rest of his days with his

> family, "

> the son said.

>

> At his funeral four months later, 2,000 people showed up, he said.

>

> " My family still feels like he died a month ago, " he said.

>

> As for Al-Bugami, who received the liver, he is doing well,

according to a

> spokesman at the Saudi Embassy.

>

> The Saudi government, which paid for the transplant, is

contemplating

> whether it should send any more of its citizens to St. , the

> spokesman said.

> Copyright C 2005, The Los Angeles Times

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you

have found

> the support you need with us.

>

> If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our

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You did good Silvia. Speaking of stats, where can I find the

amount of new HCV cases reported in 2004? 05? Is it going up?

are all states reporting now?

ps. we are going to do the radio show. I was suggested that we

pre-record the first one. So all I have to do is get my pea

brain around how to do that. So stay tuned and practice your

radio voice. ric

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I'm sure it's in one of my speaker slides. If you tell me how to copy

a power point slide I'll email it to you. We may not have 2005 yet.

Let me check.

Silvia

In Hepatitis C , Ric <richobbs1@y...> wrote:

>

> You did good Silvia. Speaking of stats, where can I find the

> amount of new HCV cases reported in 2004? 05? Is it going up?

> are all states reporting now?

> ps. we are going to do the radio show. I was suggested that we

> pre-record the first one. So all I have to do is get my pea

> brain around how to do that. So stay tuned and practice your

> radio voice. ric

>

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Silvia, Please remember whnever you are doing a radio

show that the state of California has it's troubles

and that state does not reflect in any way the

thoughts and feelings of the other voting states

involved.

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

> Got some new figures today....

>

> STATS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

> Recent data shows that across the US, 1% of

> transplant recipients are

> of foreign nationals and 2% of donors are foreign

> nationals. Also,

> 3.4% of recipients are non-US citizens and 6% of

> donors are non-US

> citizens. Thus, both measures are below the federal

> limit of 5% of

> transplants and both indicate that foreigners give a

> good deal more

> than they receive.

>

>

> In September, OneLegacy, the So CA Organ Procurement

> Network,

> transplanted more organs than ever before in our

> company's history.

> In the 72 hours after news of St. 's Liver

> Program, 11

> families were approached about donation, 10 families

> gave consent and

> 9 actually became donors.

>

> In September:

> 37 Organ donors

> 40 Tissue donors

> 127 organs transplanted

> 3.43 organs per donor

>

> This makes OneLegacy on track for a 12% increase in

> consent rates for

> 2005 and a 6th consecutive year of increases in

> donation. Hard work

> does pay off!!!

>

> I am also happy to report that Governor

> Schwarzenegger signed Senate

> Bill 689 into law.

>

> This important legislation will make the California

> Department of

> Motor Vehicles (DMV) a partner with the new Donate

> Life California

> Registry. Starting in July 2006, the DMV will start

> to collect

> people's donor designation and then electronically

> transfer the

> information into the Donate Life California database

> on a weekly

> basis. Because of this connection the Donate Life

> California

> Registry can expect to see 40% to 70% of the state's

> population

> signed up as organ donors!!!

>

> Hope....is alive and well ladies and gentlemen.

> Reporting from CA.

> Silvia

>

> Hey Ric! I'm practicing for the radio program. How

> did I do?......LOL

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> Saudi Arabia, if

> they are

> > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> very short

> quantity US

> > organs?

> >

> > Sal

> >

> > It's not about

> money.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> for One Legacy,

> the

> > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> that governs St

> > 's....so before someone else posts this

> article and Ric says

> > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> emails asking me how

> I

> > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> I'd post it

> > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> really isn't

> about

> > money.

> >

> > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> for health fairs,

> > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> we're helping

> with

> > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> our Saturday so we

> > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> encouraging

> strangers

> > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> about money when

> > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> and have to put

> > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> climb up high even

> > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> glue on our hair

> > that we can't remove for days.

> >

> > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> don't clear....it

> > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> so much more than

> > money....

> >

> > Silvia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> Be Fatal

> >

> > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > Times Staff Writers

> >

> > October 13, 2005

> >

> > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> waiting list for a

> liver

> > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> sick enough to

> rank near

> > the top.

> >

> > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> only a few hours

> to get

> > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> >

> > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> then-director of the

> > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> faced a long wait

> and was

> > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> Al-Harthi's son

> Majed.

> >

> > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> hospital accepted a

> liver in his

> > name.

> >

> > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> director, transplanted

> the organ

> > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> on the list,

> > St.

> > officials now acknowledge. The

> misallocation, reported by

> The Times

> > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> code governing

> placement of

> > donated organs.

> >

> > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> than

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Smoke pot while I perform an abortion on your 12yo ass

without telling your mommy. I Love cali

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

> Got some new figures today....

>

> STATS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

> Recent data shows that across the US, 1% of

> transplant recipients are

> of foreign nationals and 2% of donors are foreign

> nationals. Also,

> 3.4% of recipients are non-US citizens and 6% of

> donors are non-US

> citizens. Thus, both measures are below the federal

> limit of 5% of

> transplants and both indicate that foreigners give a

> good deal more

> than they receive.

>

>

> In September, OneLegacy, the So CA Organ Procurement

> Network,

> transplanted more organs than ever before in our

> company's history.

> In the 72 hours after news of St. 's Liver

> Program, 11

> families were approached about donation, 10 families

> gave consent and

> 9 actually became donors.

>

> In September:

> 37 Organ donors

> 40 Tissue donors

> 127 organs transplanted

> 3.43 organs per donor

>

> This makes OneLegacy on track for a 12% increase in

> consent rates for

> 2005 and a 6th consecutive year of increases in

> donation. Hard work

> does pay off!!!

>

> I am also happy to report that Governor

> Schwarzenegger signed Senate

> Bill 689 into law.

>

> This important legislation will make the California

> Department of

> Motor Vehicles (DMV) a partner with the new Donate

> Life California

> Registry. Starting in July 2006, the DMV will start

> to collect

> people's donor designation and then electronically

> transfer the

> information into the Donate Life California database

> on a weekly

> basis. Because of this connection the Donate Life

> California

> Registry can expect to see 40% to 70% of the state's

> population

> signed up as organ donors!!!

>

> Hope....is alive and well ladies and gentlemen.

> Reporting from CA.

> Silvia

>

> Hey Ric! I'm practicing for the radio program. How

> did I do?......LOL

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> Saudi Arabia, if

> they are

> > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> very short

> quantity US

> > organs?

> >

> > Sal

> >

> > It's not about

> money.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> for One Legacy,

> the

> > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> that governs St

> > 's....so before someone else posts this

> article and Ric says

> > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> emails asking me how

> I

> > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> I'd post it

> > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> really isn't

> about

> > money.

> >

> > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> for health fairs,

> > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> we're helping

> with

> > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> our Saturday so we

> > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> encouraging

> strangers

> > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> about money when

> > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> and have to put

> > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> climb up high even

> > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> glue on our hair

> > that we can't remove for days.

> >

> > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> don't clear....it

> > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> so much more than

> > money....

> >

> > Silvia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> Be Fatal

> >

> > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > Times Staff Writers

> >

> > October 13, 2005

> >

> > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> waiting list for a

> liver

> > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> sick enough to

> rank near

> > the top.

> >

> > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> only a few hours

> to get

> > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> >

> > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> then-director of the

> > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> faced a long wait

> and was

> > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> Al-Harthi's son

> Majed.

> >

> > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> hospital accepted a

> liver in his

> > name.

> >

> > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> director, transplanted

> the organ

> > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> on the list,

> > St.

> > officials now acknowledge. The

> misallocation, reported by

> The Times

> > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> code governing

> placement of

> > donated organs.

> >

> > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> than

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FUCK California and the Free sex and free abortions

and the free rehabs and the free anything you want to

live a non conventional lifestyle.Fuck all of you

ignorant bastards if you cannot remember what it was

that made you sick to begin with.

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

> Got some new figures today....

>

> STATS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

> Recent data shows that across the US, 1% of

> transplant recipients are

> of foreign nationals and 2% of donors are foreign

> nationals. Also,

> 3.4% of recipients are non-US citizens and 6% of

> donors are non-US

> citizens. Thus, both measures are below the federal

> limit of 5% of

> transplants and both indicate that foreigners give a

> good deal more

> than they receive.

>

>

> In September, OneLegacy, the So CA Organ Procurement

> Network,

> transplanted more organs than ever before in our

> company's history.

> In the 72 hours after news of St. 's Liver

> Program, 11

> families were approached about donation, 10 families

> gave consent and

> 9 actually became donors.

>

> In September:

> 37 Organ donors

> 40 Tissue donors

> 127 organs transplanted

> 3.43 organs per donor

>

> This makes OneLegacy on track for a 12% increase in

> consent rates for

> 2005 and a 6th consecutive year of increases in

> donation. Hard work

> does pay off!!!

>

> I am also happy to report that Governor

> Schwarzenegger signed Senate

> Bill 689 into law.

>

> This important legislation will make the California

> Department of

> Motor Vehicles (DMV) a partner with the new Donate

> Life California

> Registry. Starting in July 2006, the DMV will start

> to collect

> people's donor designation and then electronically

> transfer the

> information into the Donate Life California database

> on a weekly

> basis. Because of this connection the Donate Life

> California

> Registry can expect to see 40% to 70% of the state's

> population

> signed up as organ donors!!!

>

> Hope....is alive and well ladies and gentlemen.

> Reporting from CA.

> Silvia

>

> Hey Ric! I'm practicing for the radio program. How

> did I do?......LOL

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> Saudi Arabia, if

> they are

> > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> very short

> quantity US

> > organs?

> >

> > Sal

> >

> > It's not about

> money.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> for One Legacy,

> the

> > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> that governs St

> > 's....so before someone else posts this

> article and Ric says

> > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> emails asking me how

> I

> > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> I'd post it

> > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> really isn't

> about

> > money.

> >

> > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> for health fairs,

> > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> we're helping

> with

> > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> our Saturday so we

> > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> encouraging

> strangers

> > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> about money when

> > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> and have to put

> > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> climb up high even

> > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> glue on our hair

> > that we can't remove for days.

> >

> > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> don't clear....it

> > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> so much more than

> > money....

> >

> > Silvia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> Be Fatal

> >

> > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > Times Staff Writers

> >

> > October 13, 2005

> >

> > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> waiting list for a

> liver

> > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> sick enough to

> rank near

> > the top.

> >

> > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> only a few hours

> to get

> > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> >

> > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> then-director of the

> > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> faced a long wait

> and was

> > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> Al-Harthi's son

> Majed.

> >

> > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> hospital accepted a

> liver in his

> > name.

> >

> > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> director, transplanted

> the organ

> > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> on the list,

> > St.

> > officials now acknowledge. The

> misallocation, reported by

> The Times

> > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> code governing

> placement of

> > donated organs.

> >

> > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> than

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.....Thank you very much for your input. I'm glad you mentioned

that. It would be just like me to put my foot in my mouth. I'm sure

Ric and I will go over everyhting that will be covered before we

actually attempt it. Heck....he may not even want to do it when he

hears me talk!......LOL. Any other ideas from would be greatly

appreciated.

Silvia

> > >

> > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> > Saudi Arabia, if

> > they are

> > > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> > very short

> > quantity US

> > > organs?

> > >

> > > Sal

> > >

> > > It's not about

> > money.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> > for One Legacy,

> > the

> > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> > that governs St

> > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > article and Ric says

> > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > emails asking me how

> > I

> > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> > I'd post it

> > > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> > really isn't

> > about

> > > money.

> > >

> > > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> > for health fairs,

> > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> > we're helping

> > with

> > > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> > our Saturday so we

> > > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> > encouraging

> > strangers

> > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> > about money when

> > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> > and have to put

> > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > climb up high even

> > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> > glue on our hair

> > > that we can't remove for days.

> > >

> > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > don't clear....it

> > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> > so much more than

> > > money....

> > >

> > > Silvia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> > Be Fatal

> > >

> > > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > > Times Staff Writers

> > >

> > > October 13, 2005

> > >

> > > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> > waiting list for a

> > liver

> > > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> > sick enough to

> > rank near

> > > the top.

> > >

> > > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> > only a few hours

> > to get

> > > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> > >

> > > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> > then-director of the

> > > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> > faced a long wait

> > and was

> > > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> > Al-Harthi's son

> > Majed.

> > >

> > > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> > hospital accepted a

> > liver in his

> > > name.

> > >

> > > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> > director, transplanted

> > the organ

> > > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> > on the list,

> > > St.

> > > officials now acknowledge. The

> > misallocation, reported by

> > The Times

> > > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> > code governing

> > placement of

> > > donated organs.

> > >

> > > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> > than

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>

>

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I agree with you on that. I mean we ask for an ID to buy cigarrettes

but a 12 year old can have an abortion without parental consent. I

would certainlty want to know if it was my child. I have two

daughters and I can only hope that, 1. I've taught them better than

that. 2. If it happened they'd come to me.

Silvia

> > >

> > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> > Saudi Arabia, if

> > they are

> > > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> > very short

> > quantity US

> > > organs?

> > >

> > > Sal

> > >

> > > It's not about

> > money.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> > for One Legacy,

> > the

> > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> > that governs St

> > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > article and Ric says

> > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > emails asking me how

> > I

> > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> > I'd post it

> > > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> > really isn't

> > about

> > > money.

> > >

> > > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> > for health fairs,

> > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> > we're helping

> > with

> > > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> > our Saturday so we

> > > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> > encouraging

> > strangers

> > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> > about money when

> > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> > and have to put

> > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > climb up high even

> > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> > glue on our hair

> > > that we can't remove for days.

> > >

> > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > don't clear....it

> > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> > so much more than

> > > money....

> > >

> > > Silvia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> > Be Fatal

> > >

> > > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > > Times Staff Writers

> > >

> > > October 13, 2005

> > >

> > > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> > waiting list for a

> > liver

> > > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> > sick enough to

> > rank near

> > > the top.

> > >

> > > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> > only a few hours

> > to get

> > > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> > >

> > > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> > then-director of the

> > > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> > faced a long wait

> > and was

> > > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> > Al-Harthi's son

> > Majed.

> > >

> > > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> > hospital accepted a

> > liver in his

> > > name.

> > >

> > > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> > director, transplanted

> > the organ

> > > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> > on the list,

> > > St.

> > > officials now acknowledge. The

> > misallocation, reported by

> > The Times

> > > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> > code governing

> > placement of

> > > donated organs.

> > >

> > > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> > than

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You made your point .....that kind of language was totally

unneccessary.

Silvia

> > >

> > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs in

> > Saudi Arabia, if

> > they are

> > > importing their terminally ill here to receive the

> > very short

> > quantity US

> > > organs?

> > >

> > > Sal

> > >

> > > It's not about

> > money.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As I said on my previous post, I am an Ambassador

> > for One Legacy,

> > the

> > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same network

> > that governs St

> > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > article and Ric says

> > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > emails asking me how

> > I

> > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I thought

> > I'd post it

> > > myself.....and tell you that for some of us....it

> > really isn't

> > about

> > > money.

> > >

> > > It's not about money when we go stand in the sun

> > for health fairs,

> > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it is

> > we're helping

> > with

> > > this week. It isn't about money when we give up

> > our Saturday so we

> > > can be at the local mall's organ donation booth

> > encouraging

> > strangers

> > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell isn't

> > about money when

> > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion float

> > and have to put

> > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > climb up high even

> > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up with

> > glue on our hair

> > > that we can't remove for days.

> > >

> > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > don't clear....it

> > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it is

> > so much more than

> > > money....

> > >

> > > Silvia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Deception Behind Liver-Transplant Switch Proved to

> > Be Fatal

> > >

> > > By Ornstein and Alan Zarembo

> > > Times Staff Writers

> > >

> > > October 13, 2005

> > >

> > > In January 2003, after more than two years on a

> > waiting list for a

> > liver

> > > transplant, Saad Al-Harthi was finally considered

> > sick enough to

> > rank near

> > > the top.

> > >

> > > If a donated organ became available, he would have

> > only a few hours

> > to get

> > > to St. Medical Center in Los Angeles.

> > >

> > > But that same month, Dr. R. Jr.,

> > then-director of the

> > > hospital's liver transplant program, told him he

> > faced a long wait

> > and was

> > > better off at home in Saudi Arabia, according to

> > Al-Harthi's son

> > Majed.

> > >

> > > That's where he was Sept. 8, 2003, when the

> > hospital accepted a

> > liver in his

> > > name.

> > >

> > > and Dr. Ramos, his assistant

> > director, transplanted

> > the organ

> > > into another Saudi national 50 places behind him

> > on the list,

> > > St.

> > > officials now acknowledge. The

> > misallocation, reported by

> > The Times

> > > last month, is a serious breach of the national

> > code governing

> > placement of

> > > donated organs.

> > >

> > > Al-Harthi never knew any of this. He died less

> > than

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OK ..Here we go..Whenever you gave the statistics

about mixed doners, where did you get your statistics

from? I can and will help you if you promise not to be

one sided or should I say Liberal. Hcv that I have is

a passion to me and I will give you my all to

help.When do you wanna get started?

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

>

> .....Thank you very much for your input. I'm

> glad you mentioned

> that. It would be just like me to put my foot in my

> mouth. I'm sure

> Ric and I will go over everyhting that will be

> covered before we

> actually attempt it. Heck....he may not even want

> to do it when he

> hears me talk!......LOL. Any other ideas from

> would be greatly

> appreciated.

> Silvia

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs

> in

> > > Saudi Arabia, if

> > > they are

> > > > importing their terminally ill here to receive

> the

> > > very short

> > > quantity US

> > > > organs?

> > > >

> > > > Sal

> > > >

> > > > It's not about

> > > money.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As I said on my previous post, I am an

> Ambassador

> > > for One Legacy,

> > > the

> > > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same

> network

> > > that governs St

> > > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > > article and Ric says

> > > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > > emails asking me how

> > > I

> > > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I

> thought

> > > I'd post it

> > > > myself.....and tell you that for some of

> us....it

> > > really isn't

> > > about

> > > > money.

> > > >

> > > > It's not about money when we go stand in the

> sun

> > > for health fairs,

> > > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it

> is

> > > we're helping

> > > with

> > > > this week. It isn't about money when we give

> up

> > > our Saturday so we

> > > > can be at the local mall's organ donation

> booth

> > > encouraging

> > > strangers

> > > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell

> isn't

> > > about money when

> > > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion

> float

> > > and have to put

> > > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > > climb up high even

> > > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up

> with

> > > glue on our hair

> > > > that we can't remove for days.

> > > >

> > > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > > don't clear....it

>

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2002 From the NIH Concensus Conference on Hep C 35,000 new cases/year

2003 From the CDC 30,000 new cases/year and 12,000 deaths.

However, cases may be under-reported because of a different diagnosis

listed on death certificates. A 4-fold increase in new cases is

expected by 2015 as those that are infected reach the time when they

will start showing symptoms.

By the year 2008, the CDC has estimated that the cases of

decompensation will increase 279%, liver related deaths by 223%, and

need for liver transplantation 528%.

Silvia

>

> You did good Silvia. Speaking of stats, where can I find the

> amount of new HCV cases reported in 2004? 05? Is it going up?

> are all states reporting now?

> ps. we are going to do the radio show. I was suggested that we

> pre-record the first one. So all I have to do is get my pea

> brain around how to do that. So stay tuned and practice your

> radio voice. ric

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I am sorry that I got angry. It is a passion to me and

I will cuss whenever I feel like it and I will

promptly appologize. But SCREW a bunch of LIBERALS.

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

>

> You made your point .....that kind of language

> was totally

> unneccessary.

> Silvia

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs

> in

> > > Saudi Arabia, if

> > > they are

> > > > importing their terminally ill here to receive

> the

> > > very short

> > > quantity US

> > > > organs?

> > > >

> > > > Sal

> > > >

> > > > It's not about

> > > money.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As I said on my previous post, I am an

> Ambassador

> > > for One Legacy,

> > > the

> > > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same

> network

> > > that governs St

> > > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > > article and Ric says

> > > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > > emails asking me how

> > > I

> > > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I

> thought

> > > I'd post it

> > > > myself.....and tell you that for some of

> us....it

> > > really isn't

> > > about

> > > > money.

> > > >

> > > > It's not about money when we go stand in the

> sun

> > > for health fairs,

> > > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it

> is

> > > we're helping

> > > with

> > > > this week. It isn't about money when we give

> up

> > > our Saturday so we

> > > > can be at the local mall's organ donation

> booth

> > > encouraging

> > > strangers

> > > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell

> isn't

> > > about money when

> > > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion

> float

> > > and have to put

> > > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > > climb up high even

> > > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up

> with

> > > glue on our hair

> > > > that we can't remove for days.

> > > >

> > > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > > don't clear....it

> > > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it

> is

> > > so much more than

> > > > money....

> > > >

> > > > Silvia

> > > >

> > > >

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Sylvia, I am sorry..But I am passionate about HCV

because of the way that I caught it .. I just don't

wanna see you mess up on radio...

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with you on that. I mean we ask for an ID

> to buy cigarrettes

> but a 12 year old can have an abortion without

> parental consent. I

> would certainlty want to know if it was my child. I

> have two

> daughters and I can only hope that, 1. I've taught

> them better than

> that. 2. If it happened they'd come to me.

> Silvia

>

>

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> > > >

> > > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs

> in

> > > Saudi Arabia, if

> > > they are

> > > > importing their terminally ill here to receive

> the

> > > very short

> > > quantity US

> > > > organs?

> > > >

> > > > Sal

> > > >

> > > > It's not about

> > > money.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As I said on my previous post, I am an

> Ambassador

> > > for One Legacy,

> > > the

> > > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same

> network

> > > that governs St

> > > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > > article and Ric says

> > > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > > emails asking me how

> > > I

> > > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I

> thought

> > > I'd post it

> > > > myself.....and tell you that for some of

> us....it

> > > really isn't

> > > about

> > > > money.

> > > >

> > > > It's not about money when we go stand in the

> sun

> > > for health fairs,

> > > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it

> is

> > > we're helping

> > > with

> > > > this week. It isn't about money when we give

> up

> > > our Saturday so we

> > > > can be at the local mall's organ donation

> booth

> > > encouraging

> > > strangers

> > > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell

> isn't

> > > about money when

> > > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion

> float

> > > and have to put

> > > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > > climb up high even

> > > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up

> with

> > > glue on our hair

> > > > that we can't remove for days.

> > > >

> > > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > > don't clear....it

> > > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it

> is

> > > so much more than

> > > > money....

> > > >

> > > > Silvia

>

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Oh heck, I ran my mouth and you are from Cali aren't

you? Ohhhh< I will give all that I can to help you

carry the message. First point of attact is the First

LadY "

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with you on that. I mean we ask for an ID

> to buy cigarrettes

> but a 12 year old can have an abortion without

> parental consent. I

> would certainlty want to know if it was my child. I

> have two

> daughters and I can only hope that, 1. I've taught

> them better than

> that. 2. If it happened they'd come to me.

> Silvia

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Its not the money. Who is getting the organs

> in

> > > Saudi Arabia, if

> > > they are

> > > > importing their terminally ill here to receive

> the

> > > very short

> > > quantity US

> > > > organs?

> > > >

> > > > Sal

> > > >

> > > > It's not about

> > > money.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As I said on my previous post, I am an

> Ambassador

> > > for One Legacy,

> > > the

> > > > So CA Organ Procurement Network. The same

> network

> > > that governs St

> > > > 's....so before someone else posts this

> > > article and Ric says

> > > > that it's all about money,....and I get a few

> > > emails asking me how

> > > I

> > > > can be part of something so " turbid " ....I

> thought

> > > I'd post it

> > > > myself.....and tell you that for some of

> us....it

> > > really isn't

> > > about

> > > > money.

> > > >

> > > > It's not about money when we go stand in the

> sun

> > > for health fairs,

> > > > walks and runs and tournaments or whatever it

> is

> > > we're helping

> > > with

> > > > this week. It isn't about money when we give

> up

> > > our Saturday so we

> > > > can be at the local mall's organ donation

> booth

> > > encouraging

> > > strangers

> > > > to consider donation.....and it sure as hell

> isn't

> > > about money when

> > > > we go decorate the Rose parade organ donaion

> float

> > > and have to put

> > > > our hands in uice water to get the flowers, or

> > > climb up high even

> > > > though we;re scared and somehow always end up

> with

> > > glue on our hair

> > > > that we can't remove for days.

> > > >

> > > > I do this to build a net for those of you wqho

> > > don't clear....it

> > > > isn't perfect but that's all we have....and it

> is

> > > so much more than

> > > > money....

> > > >

> > > > Silvia

>

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OK Boom.. You like to through statistics out there,

how interesting is that to an audience.

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

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> 2002 From the NIH Concensus Conference on Hep C

> 35,000 new cases/year

> 2003 From the CDC 30,000 new cases/year and 12,000

> deaths.

>

> However, cases may be under-reported because of a

> different diagnosis

> listed on death certificates. A 4-fold increase in

> new cases is

> expected by 2015 as those that are infected reach

> the time when they

> will start showing symptoms.

>

> By the year 2008, the CDC has estimated that the

> cases of

> decompensation will increase 279%, liver related

> deaths by 223%, and

> need for liver transplantation 528%.

> Silvia

>

>

> >

> > You did good Silvia. Speaking of stats, where can

> I find the

> > amount of new HCV cases reported in 2004? 05? Is

> it going up?

> > are all states reporting now?

> > ps. we are going to do the radio show. I was

> suggested that we

> > pre-record the first one. So all I have to do is

> get my pea

> > brain around how to do that. So stay tuned and

> practice your

> > radio voice. ric

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Where do you get all of your stats from? Stats are

good but they bore people during interviews.

--- silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:

>

> 2002 From the NIH Concensus Conference on Hep C

> 35,000 new cases/year

> 2003 From the CDC 30,000 new cases/year and 12,000

> deaths.

>

> However, cases may be under-reported because of a

> different diagnosis

> listed on death certificates. A 4-fold increase in

> new cases is

> expected by 2015 as those that are infected reach

> the time when they

> will start showing symptoms.

>

> By the year 2008, the CDC has estimated that the

> cases of

> decompensation will increase 279%, liver related

> deaths by 223%, and

> need for liver transplantation 528%.

> Silvia

>

>

> >

> > You did good Silvia. Speaking of stats, where can

> I find the

> > amount of new HCV cases reported in 2004? 05? Is

> it going up?

> > are all states reporting now?

> > ps. we are going to do the radio show. I was

> suggested that we

> > pre-record the first one. So all I have to do is

> get my pea

> > brain around how to do that. So stay tuned and

> practice your

> > radio voice. ric

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Ric, I am not at all in any way trying to get on your

turf byno means what so ever, but I am extremly

blessed whenever it comes to writing speeches. Give me

a chance and let me try and help you all out.Bill

--- Ric <richobbs1@...> wrote:

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You love W dont ya

--- Ric <richobbs1@...> wrote:

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Ric, a question for you, I am new to this group, but

how do you have all the time diverse to this group?

--- Ric <richobbs1@...> wrote:

> it was an answer for me. My question. We will

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if your so great at speeches, you should prolly go to

washington and write for W. He's in a bit of trouble you know.

No, I don't love our president. I don't hate his soul by any

means. I just hate his arrogance.....ric

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