Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 This is another very good example of ignoring every possible chance to tell the truth in the media. Every sentence is the opposite of the truth. How do reporters become expert propagandists? Is this a class taught by our regulators? Info from MDA is considered as fact (even after proven otherwise)while info from farmers or consumers is ridiculed. Even the " normal " people that read this must know that something is amiss. Alvin > > This commentary was printed in the Lakeshore Weekly News (the newspaper for the Lake Minnetonka area): > > 12/13/2010 4:28:00 PM > The milk man cometh > > By Brett Stursa > Editor > > On a chilly Tuesday morning last week, the milk man was busted in Minnetonka. The case involves unnamed informants, a search warrant and, some argue, civil disobedience. > > The milk man's alleged crime? Selling raw milk from his truck. > > For the uninitiated, raw milk is unpasteurized, leaving what most consider harmful bacteria that can make people sick. To those who drink it, the milk has better taste and more nutrients. > > In Minnesota, it is generally illegal to sell raw milk, although occasional sales are allowed on the farm where the milk is produced. > > Last week's incident in Minnetonka involved a farmer allegedly delivering raw milk to customers who had ordered it. > > The milk came from Mike Hartmann's farm, which is located in rural Gibbon. He's tussled with the courts before as the plaintiff of a 2005 decision that affirmed his right to sell the products of his farm without a license. > > In May, the Minnesota Department Agriculture (MDA) traced eight people's E. coli illness back to the Hartmann farm and then this summer, the MDA said another seven people got sick from his raw milk. > > After the May accusations, the Hartmanns issued a statement defending their farm. > > " The Hartmann family requests that its farm not be prejudged by the media. Please be aware that organic producers, and particularly those who engage in the private sale of raw milk to individuals who make that choice, have been the subject of intense investigations and enforcement actions in a number of states, including Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York, " it stated. > > It was Mike Hartmann's brother, , who was at the helm of the milk truck in Minnetonka last week when it was seized. > > While the MDA took the lead on towing the milk truck and seizing the milk - hundreds gallons labeled " real milk " - Minnetonka police officers were on hand, at the request of the MDA. > > The officers helped with crowd management as more and more people assembled to protest the actions. From a YouTube video posted online, the crowd of about 30 people appeared to be behaving, but there certainly appeared to be tension in the air as the would-be milk buyers saw their stash embargoed. > > The Minnetonka Health Department tipped off the MDA in November that the Hartmanns were selling raw milk at locations other than their farm. > > A little more than a week later an anonymous informant reported that the Hartmanns were using a Martha Lane home in Minnetonka as a drop site to deliver and sell their milk. > > All this culminated in the milk bust last week. One man who was there compared it to Parks' decision to refuse to sit in the back of the bus. Such rhetoric shows the conviction - well placed or not - some raw milk drinkers have toward the issue. > > But public health officials are equally insistent that raw milk should be avoided. > > " This risk isn't a matter of personal opinion; it's an established scientific fact. Drinking raw milk or eating products made from raw milk can expose consumers to a variety of organisms that can result in anything from a few days of diarrhea to kidney failure and death, " said Minnesota Health Commissioner Dr. Sanne Magnan in a prepared statement. > > Personally, I'm inclined to trust warnings coming from the Minnesota Department of Health and think the department could do a better job educating us on the dangers of raw milk. > > I respect that people have personal choice and can enjoy raw milk if they choose. On the other hand, while consumer choice is important, enforcement of existing laws is needed as well. > > There is no reason to think that family farms are above the law. As more consumers are recognizing the importance of regulating corporate farms, and enforcing those regulations, it only makes sense to insist the same of family farms. > > > http://tinyurl.com/37xhnva > http://www.weeklynews.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Alvin, At the WAPF conference in Nov, Salatin pointed out that an assumption people tend to operate on, unconsciously of course, is that government agencies know better/more than the person in the street. I sure hope you write up your thoughts and send them as feedback to Stursa and other local media/papers. KL ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alvin S <mnorganiceggs@...> Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Hartmans This is another very good example of ignoring every possible chance to tell the truth in the media. Every sentence is the opposite of the truth. How do reporters become expert propagandists? Is this a class taught by our regulators? Info from MDA is considered as fact (even after proven otherwise)while info from farmers or consumers is ridiculed. Even the " normal " people that read this must know that something is amiss. Alvin > > This commentary was printed in the Lakeshore Weekly News (the newspaper for the Lake Minnetonka area): > > 12/13/2010 4:28:00 PM > The milk man cometh > > By Brett Stursa > Editor > > On a chilly Tuesday morning last week, the milk man was busted in Minnetonka. The case involves unnamed informants, a search warrant and, some argue, civil disobedience. > > The milk man's alleged crime? Selling raw milk from his truck. > > For the uninitiated, raw milk is unpasteurized, leaving what most consider harmful bacteria that can make people sick. To those who drink it, the milk has better taste and more nutrients. > > In Minnesota, it is generally illegal to sell raw milk, although occasional sales are allowed on the farm where the milk is produced. > > Last week's incident in Minnetonka involved a farmer allegedly delivering raw milk to customers who had ordered it. > > The milk came from Mike Hartmann's farm, which is located in rural Gibbon. He's tussled with the courts before as the plaintiff of a 2005 decision that affirmed his right to sell the products of his farm without a license. > > In May, the Minnesota Department Agriculture (MDA) traced eight people's E. coli illness back to the Hartmann farm and then this summer, the MDA said another seven people got sick from his raw milk. > > After the May accusations, the Hartmanns issued a statement defending their farm. > > " The Hartmann family requests that its farm not be prejudged by the media. Please be aware that organic producers, and particularly those who engage in the private sale of raw milk to individuals who make that choice, have been the subject of intense investigations and enforcement actions in a number of states, including Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York, " it stated. > > It was Mike Hartmann's brother, , who was at the helm of the milk truck in Minnetonka last week when it was seized. > > While the MDA took the lead on towing the milk truck and seizing the milk - hundreds gallons labeled " real milk " - Minnetonka police officers were on hand, at the request of the MDA. > > The officers helped with crowd management as more and more people assembled to protest the actions. From a YouTube video posted online, the crowd of about 30 people appeared to be behaving, but there certainly appeared to be tension in the air as the would-be milk buyers saw their stash embargoed. > > The Minnetonka Health Department tipped off the MDA in November that the Hartmanns were selling raw milk at locations other than their farm. > > A little more than a week later an anonymous informant reported that the Hartmanns were using a Martha Lane home in Minnetonka as a drop site to deliver and sell their milk. > > All this culminated in the milk bust last week. One man who was there compared it to Parks' decision to refuse to sit in the back of the bus. Such rhetoric shows the conviction - well placed or not - some raw milk drinkers have toward the issue. > > But public health officials are equally insistent that raw milk should be avoided. > > " This risk isn't a matter of personal opinion; it's an established scientific fact. Drinking raw milk or eating products made from raw milk can expose consumers to a variety of organisms that can result in anything from a few days of diarrhea to kidney failure and death, " said Minnesota Health Commissioner Dr. Sanne Magnan in a prepared statement. > > Personally, I'm inclined to trust warnings coming from the Minnesota Department of Health and think the department could do a better job educating us on the dangers of raw milk. > > I respect that people have personal choice and can enjoy raw milk if they choose. On the other hand, while consumer choice is important, enforcement of existing laws is needed as well. > > There is no reason to think that family farms are above the law. As more consumers are recognizing the importance of regulating corporate farms, and enforcing those regulations, it only makes sense to insist the same of family farms. > > > http://tinyurl.com/37xhnva > http://www.weeklynews.com > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I would say it isn't even unconsciously. We are taught from, birth that government is the answer by the controlled media, state sponsored (501C3) churches, etc. The public school system is designed to mold childrens minds to this way of thinking. They want robots that are good for an assembly line,or other pointless job, that won't question anything. A previous post here belittling anyone that didn't take drug industry $science about HIV is a perfect example. The college lie is part of this indoctrination process. Only those with an alphabet soup title are worthy of thinking or repeating industry mantra. Only they are worthy of public health/regulatory authority. And of course they care so much, and they have figured out all of THE best (and only) options and ways, and they just so happen to always involve super profitable industry/drug/chemical models. Cheyenne > > > > This commentary was printed in the Lakeshore Weekly News (the newspaper > for the Lake Minnetonka area): > > > > 12/13/2010 4:28:00 PM > > The milk man cometh > > > > By Brett Stursa > > Editor > > > > On a chilly Tuesday morning last week, the milk man was busted in > Minnetonka. The case involves unnamed informants, a search warrant and, some > argue, civil disobedience. > > > > The milk man's alleged crime? Selling raw milk from his truck. > > > > For the uninitiated, raw milk is unpasteurized, leaving what most consider > harmful bacteria that can make people sick. To those who drink it, the milk > has better taste and more nutrients. > > > > In Minnesota, it is generally illegal to sell raw milk, although > occasional sales are allowed on the farm where the milk is produced. > > > > Last week's incident in Minnetonka involved a farmer allegedly delivering > raw milk to customers who had ordered it. > > > > The milk came from Mike Hartmann's farm, which is located in rural Gibbon. > He's tussled with the courts before as the plaintiff of a 2005 decision that > affirmed his right to sell the products of his farm without a license. > > > > In May, the Minnesota Department Agriculture (MDA) traced eight people's > E. coli illness back to the Hartmann farm and then this summer, the MDA said > another seven people got sick from his raw milk. > > > > After the May accusations, the Hartmanns issued a statement defending > their farm. > > > > " The Hartmann family requests that its farm not be prejudged by the media. > Please be aware that organic producers, and particularly those who engage in > the private sale of raw milk to individuals who make that choice, have been > the subject of intense investigations and enforcement actions in a number of > states, including Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York, " it > stated. > > > > It was Mike Hartmann's brother, , who was at the helm of the milk > truck in Minnetonka last week when it was seized. > > > > While the MDA took the lead on towing the milk truck and seizing the milk > - hundreds gallons labeled " real milk " - Minnetonka police officers were on > hand, at the request of the MDA. > > > > The officers helped with crowd management as more and more people > assembled to protest the actions. From a YouTube video posted online, the > crowd of about 30 people appeared to be behaving, but there certainly > appeared to be tension in the air as the would-be milk buyers saw their > stash embargoed. > > > > The Minnetonka Health Department tipped off the MDA in November that the > Hartmanns were selling raw milk at locations other than their farm. > > > > A little more than a week later an anonymous informant reported that the > Hartmanns were using a Martha Lane home in Minnetonka as a drop site to > deliver and sell their milk. > > > > All this culminated in the milk bust last week. One man who was there > compared it to Parks' decision to refuse to sit in the back of the bus. > Such rhetoric shows the conviction - well placed or not - some raw milk > drinkers have toward the issue. > > > > But public health officials are equally insistent that raw milk should be > avoided. > > > > " This risk isn't a matter of personal opinion; it's an established > scientific fact. Drinking raw milk or eating products made from raw milk can > expose consumers to a variety of organisms that can result in anything from > a few days of diarrhea to kidney failure and death, " said Minnesota Health > Commissioner Dr. Sanne Magnan in a prepared statement. > > > > Personally, I'm inclined to trust warnings coming from the Minnesota > Department of Health and think the department could do a better job > educating us on the dangers of raw milk. > > > > I respect that people have personal choice and can enjoy raw milk if they > choose. On the other hand, while consumer choice is important, enforcement > of existing laws is needed as well. > > > > There is no reason to think that family farms are above the law. As more > consumers are recognizing the importance of regulating corporate farms, and > enforcing those regulations, it only makes sense to insist the same of > family farms. > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/37xhnva > > http://www.weeklynews.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Isn't one of the misstatements in the article Stursa wrote " Selling raw milk from his truck " ? My understanding is that the milk was already purchased/paid for and not being sold from the truck. Judy > > This commentary was printed in the Lakeshore Weekly News (the newspaper for the Lake Minnetonka area): > > 12/13/2010 4:28:00 PM > The milk man cometh > > By Brett Stursa > Editor > > On a chilly Tuesday morning last week, the milk man was busted in Minnetonka. The case involves unnamed informants, a search warrant and, some argue, civil disobedience. > > The milk man's alleged crime? Selling raw milk from his truck. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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