Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 Hi I have not used this even though I would love to have some much glutathione that he could remove toxins and cellular waste , which everybody's body makes.. I just don't know if it would be useful.. It has a life span of minutes I believe. So I don't use it right now. . kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 --- In egroups, " SHARON SEKOSKY " <sekosky6@h...> wrote: > Is there a specific type of brand name of glutathione that is best to use? Any guidelines on what to avoid as far as ingredients? > Appreciate any help, trying to supplement appropriately for chelation. > Thanks!! My daughter was recommended by Shaw's lab to take Reduced glutathione based on her OAT. What is the difference in the Reduced and Glutathione?? I found a product from Vital Life called reduced L-glutathione.Anyone use this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 This is the brand of Reduced L-Glutathione that we use. We got it from the chiropractor. She recommends that you give it with about 250 mg. Vitamin C. Someone on this list, I don't remember who, told me that Reduced L-Glutathione isn't really glutathione, but a mixture of the precursors to glutathione. If this is true, then Reduced L- Glutathione should be a whole lot more valuable than plain old glutathione. I haven't noticed any negative effects from it. My kids take it once a day--it doesn't taste bad, and mixes well with juice. > > Is there a specific type of brand name of glutathione that is best > to use? Any guidelines on what to avoid as far as ingredients? > > Appreciate any help, trying to supplement appropriately for > chelation. > > Thanks!! > My daughter was recommended by Shaw's lab to take > Reduced glutathione based on her OAT. What is the difference in the > Reduced and Glutathione?? I found a product from Vital Life called > reduced L-glutathione.Anyone use this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Here, I'll give you yet a third view. Glutathione has nothing to do with variations in DMSA kinetics under physiologically achievable conditions. Glutathione is harmful to that half or so of the mercury toxic population that has elevated plasma cysteine, so it should not be given randomly. It should never be given to those with elevated cysteine. For those with low cysteine glutathione is an expensive and not very good way of raising it - use NAC and diets high in eggs, dairy, and sulfury vegetables. Andy > in skimming my digests this morning, I saw a post stating that > glutathione should not be given on 'on' days as it might bind with > the DMSA. According to the chelation protocol authored by Amy > Holmes, Jeff Bradstreet, and others, it states that glutathion SHOULD > be given on 'on' days as it enables the DMSA by preventing it from > being deactivated by the body. This was e-mailed to be by Bradstreet > last week-end. Where was this opposite advic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 I want to echo Andy's statement here. While testing for amino acids, we see a number of people with elevated (some high normal) cysteine and they are always contraindicated for glutathione. In health, Mark Schauss www.cellmatewellness.com [ ] Re: glutathione > Here, I'll give you yet a third view. > > Glutathione has nothing to do with variations in DMSA kinetics under > physiologically achievable conditions. > > Glutathione is harmful to that half or so of the mercury toxic > population that has elevated plasma cysteine, so it should not be > given randomly. It should never be given to those with elevated > cysteine. For those with low cysteine glutathione is an expensive and > not very good way of raising it - use NAC and diets high in eggs, > dairy, and sulfury vegetables. > > Andy > > > > in skimming my digests this morning, I saw a post stating that > > glutathione should not be given on 'on' days as it might bind with > > the DMSA. According to the chelation protocol authored by Amy > > Holmes, Jeff Bradstreet, and others, it states that glutathion > SHOULD > > be given on 'on' days as it enables the DMSA by preventing it from > > being deactivated by the body. This was e-mailed to be by > Bradstreet > > last week-end. Where was this opposite advic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Yes. Try Kirkmans. > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. Until then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione supplements. Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains Lab stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be supplemented with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it really didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy glutathione?? I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. Can you order it from Kirkman Labs? > > Trina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Glutathione is a common supplement. If you ask around you can find it in many health food stores and at many mail order places. NAC also elevates glutathione, as does whey protein, and a diet high in dairy, eggs and 'sulfury' vegetables. It is also worth noting that about half of autistic children need LESS rather than more of these - yet GPL suggests it for everyone. Pay attention to how he responds to the stuff - if he gets better give him LOTS of it, if he gets worse, reduce other sulfur sources in his diet and see if he improves. If you have a ccooperative doc and if you are going to do any blood tests, checking plasma cysteine (not cystine, cysteine, which can be done at Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs and is inexpensive) will tell you if he needs more or less in the way of glutathione boosters. Andy > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. Until > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione supplements. > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains Lab > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be supplemented > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it really > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy glutathione?? > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. Can you > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Sorry, what is NAC? I have seen it so many times. [ ] Re: glutathione Glutathione is a common supplement. If you ask around you can find it in many health food stores and at many mail order places. NAC also elevates glutathione, as does whey protein, and a diet high in dairy, eggs and 'sulfury' vegetables. It is also worth noting that about half of autistic children need LESS rather than more of these - yet GPL suggests it for everyone. Pay attention to how he responds to the stuff - if he gets better give him LOTS of it, if he gets worse, reduce other sulfur sources in his diet and see if he improves. If you have a ccooperative doc and if you are going to do any blood tests, checking plasma cysteine (not cystine, cysteine, which can be done at Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs and is inexpensive) will tell you if he needs more or less in the way of glutathione boosters. Andy > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. Until > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione supplements. > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains Lab > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be supplemented > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it really > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy glutathione?? > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. Can you > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Andy, I tried very hard to get Kaiser Permanente, my California HMO to do a Plasma cysteine test. Last week, the lab tech looked through 5 different manuals looking for such a test. I told her everything about it - liver detox panel, etc. she made numerous calls to the specialty labs they deal with and finally COULD NOT find anyone in their sphere who could do it. Cysteine simply is not in their language. I will now call Great Smokies and see if they need the doc's signature....and try to order the test in some way through them......and in some way try to coordinate it through my HMO. The same decision was found about getting a stool test through Kaiser. THEY HAVE NO WAY TO DO A STOOL TEST. So I will now go into the Kaiser Hospital's lab and BEG the director to do the stool test via DDI. I talk about this just so people will know just how crazy it is when traditional/conventional labs don't have a clue. Aly [ ] Re: glutathione > Glutathione is a common supplement. If you ask around you can find it > in many health food stores and at many mail order places. > > NAC also elevates glutathione, as does whey protein, and a diet high > in dairy, eggs and 'sulfury' vegetables. > > It is also worth noting that about half of autistic children need LESS > rather than more of these - yet GPL suggests it for everyone. Pay > attention to how he responds to the stuff - if he gets better give him > LOTS of it, if he gets worse, reduce other sulfur sources in his diet > and see if he improves. > > If you have a ccooperative doc and if you are going to do any blood > tests, checking plasma cysteine (not cystine, cysteine, which can be > done at Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs and is inexpensive) will tell > you if he needs more or less in the way of glutathione boosters. > > Andy > > > > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. Until > > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione supplements. > > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains Lab > > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be supplemented > > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it really > > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy glutathione?? > > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. Can you > > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Hello : I used to belong to Kaiser in San ( facility). We now live in Montana and no longer deal with Kaiser. I do have one experience with them to get an outside test done. I was interested in getting my essential fatty acids test done. Of course, Kaiser did not know about this test or who GSDL was. I spoke to my attending doc and asked him to sign a slip for Kaiser to draw the blood in their regular lab. I came in with the " kit " from GSDL. GSDL provided all the tubes and mailing stuff, etc. The doc was willing because it was really no skin off his nose to sign a form for an outside test. I did however have to convince him that it was no big deal for him to sign a lab form. It was easier for him to sign the paper than it was to continue to listen to me talk to him about it. He signed the paper, I took it to the lab. They drew the blood. I placed it in the mailer as described in the instructions. It went off to GSDL and the results were sent to my doc (outside the kaiser system). My outside doc did comment that it was the first time that he had seen kaiser do anything extra. The thing that I told my kaiser doc was, the lab techs are there all day whether they stand there and do nothing or take a blood draw from me. It does not cost kaiser an extra penny to do it. As long as you can get an outside doc to order the test or a kaiser doc to be willing to authorize the test you can get kaiser to flex. It will always be a push but by know you are probably used to that. Hope this proves to be a benefit. In Christ's love and mine...Jen : ) On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:51:58 -0000 AndyCutler@... writes: > Kaiser's lab doesn't do this test. If you want it, you have to have > > them prep a plasma tube from a Great Smokies comp liver detox kit > and > you send it off to GS with a doctor's signed order and a check. It > is > unlikely Kaiser will cover it, but it is only $30 or $40. The stool > > analysis is much more expensive (but I don't think it is necessary > either). > > Andy > > > > > > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. > Until > > > > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione > supplements. > > > > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains > > Lab > > > > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be > supplemented > > > > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it > really > > > > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy > glutathione?? > > > > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. > Can > you > > > > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 , The plasma cysteine test from GS is not an expensive test. Somewhere around $50. When we were Kaiser patients, we would get the test kit from Great Smokies, have Kaiser plebs. draw the blood, and then send it in the GS test kit. This worked well for us for a number of tests. We have since switched insurances, and now have no trouble getting everything covered. It has made a world of difference. I think it is wonderful you have been able to get Kaiser to do so much for you. Thanks for educating them on the West Coast. I've been working on educating them on the East Coast! Rhonda -- In @y..., " Aly " <tafa@g...> wrote: > Andy, > I tried very hard to get Kaiser Permanente, my California HMO to do a Plasma > cysteine test. Last week, the lab tech looked through 5 different manuals > looking for such a test. I told her everything about it - liver detox > panel, etc. she made numerous calls to the specialty labs they deal with > and finally COULD NOT find anyone in their sphere who could do it. > Cysteine simply is not in their language. I will now call Great Smokies > and see if they need the doc's signature....and try to order the test in > some way through them......and in some way try to coordinate it through my > HMO. The same decision was found about getting a stool test through Kaiser. > THEY HAVE NO WAY TO DO A STOOL TEST. So I will now go into the Kaiser > Hospital's lab and BEG the director to do the stool test via DDI. I talk > about this just so people will know just how crazy it is when > traditional/conventional labs don't have a clue. > Aly > [ ] Re: glutathione > > > > Glutathione is a common supplement. If you ask around you can find it > > in many health food stores and at many mail order places. > > > > NAC also elevates glutathione, as does whey protein, and a diet high > > in dairy, eggs and 'sulfury' vegetables. > > > > It is also worth noting that about half of autistic children need LESS > > rather than more of these - yet GPL suggests it for everyone. Pay > > attention to how he responds to the stuff - if he gets better give him > > LOTS of it, if he gets worse, reduce other sulfur sources in his diet > > and see if he improves. > > > > If you have a ccooperative doc and if you are going to do any blood > > tests, checking plasma cysteine (not cystine, cysteine, which can be > > done at Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs and is inexpensive) will tell > > you if he needs more or less in the way of glutathione boosters. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > Yes. Try Kirkmans. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @y..., " Montgomery " <mont@h...> wrote: > > > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. Until > > > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione supplements. > > > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains Lab > > > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be supplemented > > > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it really > > > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy glutathione?? > > > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. Can you > > > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 , Thanks so much. I am going to try this. Tomorrow, I will call and order the tests. Thanks for spelling out the procedure - I think we can do it. Aly Re: [ ] Re: glutathione > Hello : > > I used to belong to Kaiser in San ( facility). We now live in > Montana and no longer deal with Kaiser. I do have one experience with > them to get an outside test done. I was interested in getting my > essential fatty acids test done. Of course, Kaiser did not know about > this test or who GSDL was. I spoke to my attending doc and asked him to > sign a slip for Kaiser to draw the blood in their regular lab. I came in > with the " kit " from GSDL. GSDL provided all the tubes and mailing stuff, > etc. The doc was willing because it was really no skin off his nose to > sign a form for an outside test. > > I did however have to convince him that it was no big deal for him to > sign a lab form. It was easier for him to sign the paper than it was to > continue to listen to me talk to him about it. He signed the paper, I > took it to the lab. They drew the blood. I placed it in the mailer as > described in the instructions. It went off to GSDL and the results were > sent to my doc (outside the kaiser system). My outside doc did comment > that it was the first time that he had seen kaiser do anything extra. > > The thing that I told my kaiser doc was, the lab techs are there all day > whether they stand there and do nothing or take a blood draw from me. It > does not cost kaiser an extra penny to do it. As long as you can get an > outside doc to order the test or a kaiser doc to be willing to authorize > the test you can get kaiser to flex. It will always be a push but by > know you are probably used to that. Hope this proves to be a benefit. > > In Christ's love and mine...Jen : ) > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:51:58 -0000 AndyCutler@... writes: > > Kaiser's lab doesn't do this test. If you want it, you have to have > > > > them prep a plasma tube from a Great Smokies comp liver detox kit > > and > > you send it off to GS with a doctor's signed order and a check. It > > is > > unlikely Kaiser will cover it, but it is only $30 or $40. The stool > > > > analysis is much more expensive (but I don't think it is necessary > > either). > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I have an appt for my son to see Dr. Holmes in May. > > Until > > > > > then, I thought I might start my son on glutathione > > supplements. > > > > > Ironically, a couple of years ago, when I did the Great Plains > > > > Lab > > > > > stuff (urine and stool), it was recommended that he be > > supplemented > > > > > with glutathione. However, that was all it said, and it > > really > > > > > didn't say why. So, I never did it. Where can I buy > > glutathione?? > > > > > I tried to get it today at Wild Oats, but it was not there. > > Can > > you > > > > > order it from Kirkman Labs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 Osteoarthritis is often referred to as an age related disease because it occurs from a joint wearing out. Rheumatoid Arthritis is not a local joint wearing out, it is a systemic disease and has nothing to do with age. Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis is a term for children diagnosed with RA. Just like diabetes, RA can occur early or later in life. Juvenile or adult onset. Rheumatoid and osteo are dramatically different illnesses and treatment is entirely different too. Please don't lump everything as arthritis. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 Hi; OK, how about putting it this way; glutathione will quench the free radical cascades that occur in BOTH types of arthritis. What these two specific and unique diseases have in common with the rest of the autoimmune disorders, and ALS, MS, Parkinson disease is that sujects with all these unique diseases exhibit very low systemic cellular glutathione levels. The levels are low in direct proportion to the severity of the disease. In and near the tissues that are primarily affected, the cellular glutathione is even more depleted and in some subjects, unmeasurably low. In these areas there are vast amounts of free radicals in an unquenched free radical cascade, that causes most of the pain, inflammation, and damage in all of these unique diseases. This free radical cascade is in effect, oxidative stress. The free radicals can be quenched, however, by increasing cellular glutathione levels. This also increases the Th1 memory cells that moderate the Th2 cell proliferation and hence, reduces inflammation that way too. The point to this observation is that supplementation with this FDA sanctioned whey isolate, Imunocal, is the best way to increase cellular glutathione levels and bring a measure of relief. This is a matter of science, not hype, as the research posted on the government's National Institute of Health site will show. Enter the site to enter a query yourself. EXAMPLE: " glutathione AND rheumatoid arthritis " or " glutathione AND oxidative stress " or " glutathione AND arthritis " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi OK, this reduces the disease progress but does not regrow cartilage. I'll post information about a product that does that next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 > > How did we survive as a species then if it it so difficult to get > enough glutathione precursors ? > > > > , In prehistoric times we lived to be about 42. That's more than long enough for survival. Long enough to raise a batch of clildren and train them; that's all that's required. Nowadays we find we can way more than double that if we choose to, and for every person who says there's one who does. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 , Great Smokies does a “Intestinal Permeability” test. Their website is www.gdsl.com. RE: Re: glutathione , I always assumed I had a leaky gut, because I am a universal reactor, but my new naturopath says it ain't necessarily so. How do they test for it? Thanks, (I do have a leaky gut, was tested for this) People > really do need to be careful with the whey. Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Yeah, isn't this always the case? Every time a new miracle supplement comes along it eventually becomes the next big thing to avoid. (Soy and flax oil come to mind.) People are different and there just aren't any blanket remedies that can be applied to everyone. From: hope0073 <hope0073@...>Subject: [infections] Glutathioneinfections Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:59 AM I believe Dr. Cheney (the CFIDS guru)changed his mind re: glutathione via whey protocol from yes to no...Also, the Cutler amalgam protocol discourages glutathione as well...I am speaking in generalities here so don't quote me. So do a lot of research please. Hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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