Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > ex=1366516800

> > > > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > > > hwartz/

> > > > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > > > people_

> > > > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?

> inline=nyt-

> > org>

> > > > > People for

> > > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> > dollars

> > > > > for fake

> > > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within

> the

> > > > > organization.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

> > for a $1

> > > > > million

> > > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

> by

> > > > > 2012. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> > test tube

> > > > > is not new.

> > > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > > > technologies to grow

> > > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> > the

> > > > > expense of land

> > > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> > international

> > > > > symposium

> > > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> > once

> > > > > grown, could be

> > > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > > > structural agents

> > > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

> more

> > meaty

> > > > > texture.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote

> the

> > > > > field, says on

> > > > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > > substitutes are

> > > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

> > maintain in

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> > polluting

> > > > > and more

> > > > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > > > johns_h

> > > > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s

> Hopkins

> > > > > University who

> > > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> > researchers was

> > > > > promising.

> > > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > > > x_prize

> > > > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

> > competition

> > > > > that produced

> > > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

> Matheny

> > > > > said, " they

> > > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than

> the

> > prize

> > > > > represents. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

> > hoping to

> > > > > get the

> > > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> > technology for

> > > > > at least a

> > > > > > > decade.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> > caused " a

> > > > > near civil

> > > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

> > repulsed by

> > > > > the thought

> > > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said

> she

> > was

> > > > > part of the

> > > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

> animal

> > > > > rights

> > > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > > > philosophy and

> > > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

> Lange

> > > > > added, " I

> > > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable

> promoting

> > > > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural,

> adding, " We

> > will

> > > > > have members

> > > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> > said. " Well,

> > > > > human beings

> > > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> > people who

> > > > > strive for

> > > > > > > purity. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> > taking

> > > > > uncomfortable

> > > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In

> that

> > way,

> > > > > she said, " in

> > > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

> > greeted with

> > > > > a wary

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in

> the

> > > > > Netherlands and

> > > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> > prize

> > > > > competition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > > > technology, "

> > > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

> > by the

> > > > > animal

> > > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> > issues are

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands

> has

> > put

> > > > > $5 million

> > > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> > mail

> > > > > that he was

> > > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> > that

> > > > > even with

> > > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

> Professor

> > Roelen

> > > > > added, " For

> > > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

> > much. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> > fundamental

> > > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > ex=1366516800

> > > > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > > > hwartz/

> > > > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > > > people_

> > > > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?

> inline=nyt-

> > org>

> > > > > People for

> > > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> > dollars

> > > > > for fake

> > > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within

> the

> > > > > organization.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

> > for a $1

> > > > > million

> > > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

> by

> > > > > 2012. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> > test tube

> > > > > is not new.

> > > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > > > technologies to grow

> > > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> > the

> > > > > expense of land

> > > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> > international

> > > > > symposium

> > > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> > once

> > > > > grown, could be

> > > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > > > structural agents

> > > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

> more

> > meaty

> > > > > texture.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote

> the

> > > > > field, says on

> > > > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > > substitutes are

> > > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

> > maintain in

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> > polluting

> > > > > and more

> > > > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > > > johns_h

> > > > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s

> Hopkins

> > > > > University who

> > > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> > researchers was

> > > > > promising.

> > > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > > > x_prize

> > > > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

> > competition

> > > > > that produced

> > > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

> Matheny

> > > > > said, " they

> > > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than

> the

> > prize

> > > > > represents. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

> > hoping to

> > > > > get the

> > > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> > technology for

> > > > > at least a

> > > > > > > decade.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> > caused " a

> > > > > near civil

> > > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

> > repulsed by

> > > > > the thought

> > > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said

> she

> > was

> > > > > part of the

> > > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

> animal

> > > > > rights

> > > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > > > philosophy and

> > > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

> Lange

> > > > > added, " I

> > > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable

> promoting

> > > > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural,

> adding, " We

> > will

> > > > > have members

> > > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> > said. " Well,

> > > > > human beings

> > > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> > people who

> > > > > strive for

> > > > > > > purity. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> > taking

> > > > > uncomfortable

> > > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In

> that

> > way,

> > > > > she said, " in

> > > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

> > greeted with

> > > > > a wary

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in

> the

> > > > > Netherlands and

> > > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> > prize

> > > > > competition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > > > technology, "

> > > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

> > by the

> > > > > animal

> > > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> > issues are

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands

> has

> > put

> > > > > $5 million

> > > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> > mail

> > > > > that he was

> > > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> > that

> > > > > even with

> > > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

> Professor

> > Roelen

> > > > > added, " For

> > > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

> > much. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> > fundamental

> > > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hope things will go well for you and your family.

Keep in touch when you can

Reggie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?

> > ex=1366516800

> > > > > > > <http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?

> > > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc 4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ people/s/ john_sc

> > > > > hwartz/

> > > > > > > index.html?inline= nyt-per>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ p/

> > > > > people_

> > > > > > > for_the_ethical_ treatment_ of_animals/ index.html?

> inline=nyt-

> > org>

> > > > > People for

> > > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> > dollars

> > > > > for fake

> > > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within

> the

> > > > > organization.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

> > for a $1

> > > > > million

> > > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

> by

> > > > > 2012. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> > test tube

> > > > > is not new.

> > > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > > > technologies to grow

> > > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> > the

> > > > > expense of land

> > > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> > international

> > > > > symposium

> > > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> > once

> > > > > grown, could be

> > > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > > > structural agents

> > > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

> more

> > meaty

> > > > > texture.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote

> the

> > > > > field, says on

> > > > > > > its <http://www.new- harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > > substitutes are

> > > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

> > maintain in

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> > polluting

> > > > > and more

> > > > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ j/

> > > > > johns_h

> > > > > > > opkins_university/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> s

> Hopkins

> > > > > University who

> > > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> > researchers was

> > > > > promising.

> > > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ x/

> > > > > x_prize

> > > > > > > _foundation/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> X Prize, a

> > competition

> > > > > that produced

> > > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

> Matheny

> > > > > said, " they

> > > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than

> the

> > prize

> > > > > represents. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

> > hoping to

> > > > > get the

> > > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> > technology for

> > > > > at least a

> > > > > > > decade.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> > caused " a

> > > > > near civil

> > > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

> > repulsed by

> > > > > the thought

> > > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said

> she

> > was

> > > > > part of the

> > > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

> animal

> > > > > rights

> > > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > > > philosophy and

> > > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

> Lange

> > > > > added, " I

> > > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable

> promoting

> > > > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural,

> adding, " We

> > will

> > > > > have members

> > > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> > said. " Well,

> > > > > human beings

> > > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> > people who

> > > > > strive for

> > > > > > > purity. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> > taking

> > > > > uncomfortable

> > > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In

> that

> > way,

> > > > > she said, " in

> > > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

> > greeted with

> > > > > a wary

> > > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in

> the

> > > > > Netherlands and

> > > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> > prize

> > > > > competition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > > > technology, "

> > > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

> > by the

> > > > > animal

> > > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> > issues are

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands

> has

> > put

> > > > > $5 million

> > > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> > mail

> > > > > that he was

> > > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> > that

> > > > > even with

> > > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

> > produce

> > > > > commercially

> > > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

> Professor

> > Roelen

> > > > > added, " For

> > > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

> > much. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> > fundamental

> > > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Reggie,

I haven't read Ingrid Newkirk's official position on the matter, but I

agree with the logic behind the argument that it's better to euthanize

animals than keep them in shelters. If our goal is to reduce suffering,

then it makes more sense to euthanize/kill *one* animal than to let it

live and thereby cause the deaths of *dozens/hundreds* of other animals

that will become its food over its lifetime.

By keeping companion animals we are directly choosing to give more

importance to the lives of our " pets " than to the lives of the animals

that are their " food. "

- Zenz

KidBean.com - Vegan Family Superstore

http://www.kidbean.com

mzenz@...

828-299-3608

[Guest guest]

Reggie,

I haven't read Ingrid Newkirk's official position on the matter, but I

agree with the logic behind the argument that it's better to euthanize

animals than keep them in shelters. If our goal is to reduce suffering,

then it makes more sense to euthanize/kill *one* animal than to let it

live and thereby cause the deaths of *dozens/hundreds* of other animals

that will become its food over its lifetime.

By keeping companion animals we are directly choosing to give more

importance to the lives of our " pets " than to the lives of the animals

that are their " food. "

- Zenz

KidBean.com - Vegan Family Superstore

http://www.kidbean.com

mzenz@...

828-299-3608

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Yea, you know how I feel about the feeding our companion animals other

slaughtered

animals. Oh gee.

Yea Ingrid that's her name. LOL

I heard about that a while back.

R

>

> Reggie,

>

> I haven't read Ingrid Newkirk's official position on the matter, but I

> agree with the logic behind the argument that it's better to euthanize

> animals than keep them in shelters. If our goal is to reduce suffering,

> then it makes more sense to euthanize/kill *one* animal than to let it

> live and thereby cause the deaths of *dozens/hundreds* of other animals

> that will become its food over its lifetime.

>

> By keeping companion animals we are directly choosing to give more

> importance to the lives of our " pets " than to the lives of the animals

> that are their " food. "

>

> - Zenz

> KidBean.com - Vegan Family Superstore

> http://www.kidbean.com

> mzenz@...

> 828-299-3608

>