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just wondering what other people think - is it a good or bad idea?

PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800 & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

PETA’s Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

By JOHN SCHWARTZ

Published: April 21, 2008

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake meat — even if it has caused a “near civil war” within the organization.

The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million prize to the “first person to come up with a method to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012.”

The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new. For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture.

New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on its Web site, “Because meat substitutes are produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more humane than conventional meat.”

Matheny, a doctoral student at s Hopkins University who formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising. Citing the example of the Ansari X Prize, a competition that produced the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, “they inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents.”

A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a decade.

But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused “a near civil war in our office,” since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the heated exchange. “My main concern is, as the largest animal rights organization in the world, it’s our job to introduce the philosophy and hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat.” Ms. Lange added, “I remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill.”

Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, “We will have members leave us over this.”

“People say animal rights people can’t agree,” she said. “Well, human beings can’t agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for purity.”

Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. “We don’t mind taking uncomfortable positions if it means that fewer animals suffer.” In that way, she said, “in vitro meat is a godsend.”

For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary welcome.

Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

“It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology,” Professor Haagsman said.

But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such important “drivers for this research.” The Netherlands has put $5 million into in vitro meat studies.

Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was “rather surprised” by news of the competition, but said that even with strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, “For me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much.”

Why not? “I do research because I want to understand fundamental mechanisms,” he said, “not to gain fortune.”

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just wondering what other people think - is it a good or bad idea?

PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800 & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

PETA’s Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

By JOHN SCHWARTZ

Published: April 21, 2008

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake meat — even if it has caused a “near civil war” within the organization.

The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million prize to the “first person to come up with a method to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012.”

The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new. For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture.

New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on its Web site, “Because meat substitutes are produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more humane than conventional meat.”

Matheny, a doctoral student at s Hopkins University who formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising. Citing the example of the Ansari X Prize, a competition that produced the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, “they inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents.”

A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a decade.

But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused “a near civil war in our office,” since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the heated exchange. “My main concern is, as the largest animal rights organization in the world, it’s our job to introduce the philosophy and hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat.” Ms. Lange added, “I remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill.”

Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, “We will have members leave us over this.”

“People say animal rights people can’t agree,” she said. “Well, human beings can’t agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for purity.”

Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. “We don’t mind taking uncomfortable positions if it means that fewer animals suffer.” In that way, she said, “in vitro meat is a godsend.”

For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary welcome.

Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

“It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology,” Professor Haagsman said.

But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such important “drivers for this research.” The Netherlands has put $5 million into in vitro meat studies.

Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was “rather surprised” by news of the competition, but said that even with strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, “For me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much.”

Why not? “I do research because I want to understand fundamental mechanisms,” he said, “not to gain fortune.”

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thanks

I find this so repulsive but I see where they are coming from. If this helps

eliminate the

suffering of billions of animals then I think I'm for it. Sad to think and

accept that there

are millions of people who simply are that selfish and don't care that animals

are suffering

and brutally murdered every minute to put " food " on a plate for them. Although

as Peta

says it's going to happen therefore why not find a solution so we all win?

GRRRRRRR

Reggie

>

> Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

>

>

>

>

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

>

>

>

>

>

> PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

>

> By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_schwartz/

> index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>

> Published: April 21, 2008

>

>

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/people_

> for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for

> the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake

> meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the organization.

>

> The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million

> prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce commercially

> viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012. "

>

> The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.

> For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow

> tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land

> or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium

> on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be

> shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents

> that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture.

>

> New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on

> its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat substitutes are

> produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional

> animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more

> humane than conventional meat. "

>

> Matheny, a doctoral student at

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/johns_h

> opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who

> formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.

> Citing the example of the Ansari

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/x_prize

> _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced

> the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, " they

> inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents. "

>

>

> A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the

> organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a

> decade.

>

> But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a near civil

> war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought

> of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

>

> Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the

> heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal rights

> organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and

> hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange added, " I

> remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill. "

>

>

> Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will have members

> leave us over this. "

>

> " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well, human beings

> can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for

> purity. "

>

> Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking uncomfortable

> positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way, she said, " in

> vitro meat is a godsend. "

>

> For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary

> welcome.

>

> Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and

> an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

>

> " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology, "

> Professor Haagsman said.

>

> But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal

> welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such

> important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put $5 million

> into in vitro meat studies.

>

> Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was

> " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that even with

> strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially

> viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, " For

> me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

>

> Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

>

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thanks

I find this so repulsive but I see where they are coming from. If this helps

eliminate the

suffering of billions of animals then I think I'm for it. Sad to think and

accept that there

are millions of people who simply are that selfish and don't care that animals

are suffering

and brutally murdered every minute to put " food " on a plate for them. Although

as Peta

says it's going to happen therefore why not find a solution so we all win?

GRRRRRRR

Reggie

>

> Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

>

>

>

>

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

>

>

>

>

>

> PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

>

> By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_schwartz/

> index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>

> Published: April 21, 2008

>

>

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/people_

> for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for

> the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake

> meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the organization.

>

> The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million

> prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce commercially

> viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012. "

>

> The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.

> For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow

> tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land

> or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium

> on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be

> shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents

> that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture.

>

> New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on

> its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat substitutes are

> produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional

> animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more

> humane than conventional meat. "

>

> Matheny, a doctoral student at

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/johns_h

> opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who

> formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.

> Citing the example of the Ansari

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/x_prize

> _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced

> the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, " they

> inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents. "

>

>

> A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the

> organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a

> decade.

>

> But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a near civil

> war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought

> of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

>

> Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the

> heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal rights

> organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and

> hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange added, " I

> remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill. "

>

>

> Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will have members

> leave us over this. "

>

> " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well, human beings

> can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for

> purity. "

>

> Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking uncomfortable

> positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way, she said, " in

> vitro meat is a godsend. "

>

> For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary

> welcome.

>

> Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and

> an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

>

> " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology, "

> Professor Haagsman said.

>

> But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal

> welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such

> important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put $5 million

> into in vitro meat studies.

>

> Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was

> " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that even with

> strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially

> viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, " For

> me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

>

> Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

>

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Am I missing something? How is " building " animals in test tubes and

then eating them any different from growing them on a farm as far as

the animals are concerned? I get the benefit to the earth, but how

is it Ethical Treatment of Animals? I haven' t liked PETA from the

gitgo and my distrust is constantly reinforced. Pardon my disgust,

Roxy in NoCal. (fairly new...first reply).

> >

> > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> >

> > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

hwartz/

> > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> >

> > Published: April 21, 2008

> >

> >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

people_

> > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org>

People for

> > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars

for fake

> > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

organization.

> >

> > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1

million

> > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce

commercially

> > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

2012. "

> >

> > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube

is not new.

> > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

technologies to grow

> > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

expense of land

> > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international

symposium

> > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once

grown, could be

> > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

structural agents

> > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty

texture.

> >

> > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

field, says on

> > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

substitutes are

> > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in

traditional

> > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting

and more

> > humane than conventional meat. "

> >

> > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

johns_h

> > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

University who

> > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was

promising.

> > Citing the example of the Ansari

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

x_prize

> > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition

that produced

> > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

said, " they

> > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize

represents. "

> >

> >

> > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to

get the

> > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for

at least a

> > decade.

> >

> > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a

near civil

> > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by

the thought

> > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> >

> > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was

part of the

> > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

rights

> > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

philosophy and

> > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

added, " I

> > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

eating roadkill. "

> >

> >

> > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will

have members

> > leave us over this. "

> >

> > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well,

human beings

> > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who

strive for

> > purity. "

> >

> > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking

uncomfortable

> > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way,

she said, " in

> > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> >

> > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with

a wary

> > welcome.

> >

> > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

Netherlands and

> > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize

competition.

> >

> > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

technology, "

> > Professor Haagsman said.

> >

> > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the

animal

> > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are

such

> > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put

$5 million

> > into in vitro meat studies.

> >

> > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail

that he was

> > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

even with

> > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

commercially

> > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen

added, " For

> > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

> >

> > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> >

>

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Hmmm, I'm not sure that this slurry of meat tissue will be breathing or feeling any pain.

Dottie

Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Am I missing something? How is "building" animals in test tubes and then eating them any different from growing them on a farm as far as the animals are concerned? I get the benefit to the earth, but how is it Ethical Treatment of Animals? I haven' t liked PETA from the gitgo and my distrust is constantly reinforced. Pardon my disgust, Roxy in NoCal. (fairly new...first reply).> >> > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?> ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529> > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > > > > > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_schwartz/> > index.html?inline=nyt-per> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/people_> > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for> > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake> > meat - even if it has caused a "near civil war" within the organization.> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million> > prize to the "first person to come up with a method to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012." > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.> > For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow> > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land> > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium> > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be> > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents> > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture. > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on> > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, "Because meat substitutes are> > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional> > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more> > humane than conventional meat." > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/johns_h> > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who> > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.> > Citing the example of the Ansari> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/x_prize> > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced> > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, "they> > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents."> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the> > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a> > decade. > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused "a near civil> > war in our office," since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought> > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed. > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the> > heated exchange. "My main concern is, as the largest animal rights> > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and> > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat." Ms. Lange added, "I> > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill."> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, "We will have members> > leave us over this." > > > > "People say animal rights people can't agree," she said. "Well, human beings> > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for> > purity." > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. "We don't mind taking uncomfortable> > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer." In that way, she said, "in> > vitro meat is a godsend."> > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary> > welcome.> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and> > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.> > > > "It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology,"> > Professor Haagsman said. > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal> > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such> > important "drivers for this research." The Netherlands has put $5 million> > into in vitro meat studies. > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was> > "rather surprised" by news of the competition, but said that even with> > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, "For> > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much." > > > > Why not? "I do research because I want to understand fundamental> > mechanisms," he said, "not to gain fortune."> >>

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Hey Roxy

From what I remember reading about this type of thing a while back is that they

will clone

meat so it's not animals they are building but flesh which means no sentient

being would

be harmed or involved anymore.

No need to pardon your disgust, brought this to the table to get people

talking...

Keep posted Roxy!

Reggie

> > >

> > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > >

> > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> hwartz/

> > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > >

> > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > >

> > >

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> people_

> > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org>

> People for

> > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars

> for fake

> > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> organization.

> > >

> > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1

> million

> > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce

> commercially

> > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> 2012. "

> > >

> > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube

> is not new.

> > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> technologies to grow

> > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

> expense of land

> > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international

> symposium

> > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once

> grown, could be

> > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> structural agents

> > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty

> texture.

> > >

> > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> field, says on

> > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> substitutes are

> > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in

> traditional

> > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting

> and more

> > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > >

> > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> johns_h

> > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> University who

> > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was

> promising.

> > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> x_prize

> > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition

> that produced

> > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> said, " they

> > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize

> represents. "

> > >

> > >

> > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to

> get the

> > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for

> at least a

> > > decade.

> > >

> > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a

> near civil

> > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by

> the thought

> > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > >

> > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was

> part of the

> > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> rights

> > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> philosophy and

> > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> added, " I

> > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> eating roadkill. "

> > >

> > >

> > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will

> have members

> > > leave us over this. "

> > >

> > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well,

> human beings

> > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who

> strive for

> > > purity. "

> > >

> > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking

> uncomfortable

> > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way,

> she said, " in

> > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > >

> > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with

> a wary

> > > welcome.

> > >

> > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> Netherlands and

> > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize

> competition.

> > >

> > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> technology, "

> > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > >

> > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the

> animal

> > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are

> such

> > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put

> $5 million

> > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > >

> > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail

> that he was

> > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

> even with

> > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

> commercially

> > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen

> added, " For

> > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

> > >

> > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > >

> >

>

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I'm with Roxy. I think it's disgusting.

On 4/21/08, Roxanne <roxy2hsu@...> wrote:

Am I missing something? How is " building " animals in test tubes and then eating them any different from growing them on a farm as far as the animals are concerned? I get the benefit to the earth, but how

is it Ethical Treatment of Animals? I haven' t liked PETA from the gitgo and my distrust is constantly reinforced. Pardon my disgust, Roxy in NoCal. (fairly new...first reply).> >> > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?> ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > > > > > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

hwartz/> > index.html?inline=nyt-per> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

people_> > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for> > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake> > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

organization.> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million> > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

2012. " > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.> > For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow> > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

expense of land> > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium> > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be> > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

structural agents> > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture. > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on> > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

substitutes are> > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional> > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more> > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

johns_h> > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who> > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.> > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

x_prize> > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced> > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, " they> > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize

represents. " > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the> > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a

> > decade. > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a near civil> > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought

> > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed. > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the> > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

rights> > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and> > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange added, " I> > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

eating roadkill. " > > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will have members> > leave us over this. " > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well,

human beings> > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for> > purity. " > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking

uncomfortable> > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way, she said, " in> > vitro meat is a godsend. " > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with

a wary> > welcome.> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and> > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

> > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology, " > > Professor Haagsman said. > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the

animal> > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such> > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put $5 million> > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was> > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that even with> > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, " For> > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. " > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. " > >>

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I'm with Roxy. I think it's disgusting.

On 4/21/08, Roxanne <roxy2hsu@...> wrote:

Am I missing something? How is " building " animals in test tubes and then eating them any different from growing them on a farm as far as the animals are concerned? I get the benefit to the earth, but how

is it Ethical Treatment of Animals? I haven' t liked PETA from the gitgo and my distrust is constantly reinforced. Pardon my disgust, Roxy in NoCal. (fairly new...first reply).> >> > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?> ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > > > > > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

hwartz/> > index.html?inline=nyt-per> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

people_> > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for> > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake> > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

organization.> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million> > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

2012. " > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.> > For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow> > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

expense of land> > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium> > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be> > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

structural agents> > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture. > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on> > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

substitutes are> > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional> > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more> > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

johns_h> > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who> > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.> > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

x_prize> > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced> > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, " they> > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize

represents. " > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the> > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a

> > decade. > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a near civil> > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought

> > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed. > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the> > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

rights> > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and> > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange added, " I> > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

eating roadkill. " > > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will have members> > leave us over this. " > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well,

human beings> > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for> > purity. " > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking

uncomfortable> > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way, she said, " in> > vitro meat is a godsend. " > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with

a wary> > welcome.> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and> > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.

> > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology, " > > Professor Haagsman said. > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the

animal> > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such> > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put $5 million> > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was> > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that even with> > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, " For> > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. " > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental

> > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. " > >>

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On 4/22/08, purpleveg <purpleveg@...> wrote:

Hey RoxyFrom what I remember reading about this type of thing a while back is that they will clone meat so it's not animals they are building but flesh which means no sentient being would be harmed or involved anymore.

No need to pardon your disgust, brought this to the table to get people talking...Keep posted Roxy!Reggie > > >> > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800

> > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?> > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat > > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> hwartz/> > > index.html?inline=nyt-per> > > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > > > > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> people_> > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> > People for> > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars > for fake

> > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the > organization.> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 > million

> > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to produce > commercially> > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by > 2012. " > > >

> > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube > is not new.> > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop > technologies to grow> > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

> expense of land> > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international > symposium> > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once > grown, could be

> > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and > structural agents> > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty > texture. > > >

> > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the > field, says on> > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> substitutes are> > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in > traditional> > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting > and more

> > > humane than conventional meat. " > > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> johns_h> > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins > University who> > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was > promising.

> > > Citing the example of the Ansari> > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> x_prize> > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition > that produced> > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny > said, " they

> > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize > represents. " > > > > > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to

> get the> > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for > at least a> > > decade. > > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused " a

> near civil> > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed by > the thought> > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed. > > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was

> part of the> > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal > rights> > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the > philosophy and

> > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange > added, " I> > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting > eating roadkill. " > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We will > have members> > > leave us over this. " > > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she said. " Well,

> human beings> > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who > strive for> > > purity. " > > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind taking

> uncomfortable> > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that way, > she said, " in> > > vitro meat is a godsend. " > > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with

> a wary> > > welcome.> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the > Netherlands and> > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize

> competition.> > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the > technology, " > > > Professor Haagsman said. > > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the

> animal> > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are > such> > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has put > $5 million

> > > into in vitro meat studies. > > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail > that he was> > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

> even with> > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce > commercially> > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen > added, " For

> > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. " > > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand fundamental> > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > >> >>

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Thanks for the clarification! I have vision problems that often

cause me to miss things when I read online. Doesn't change my

opinion of PETA, however, and I still have fundamental issues with

this kind of ensteinian approach...I choose Mama Nature's

cuisine everytime!

Roxy

> > > >

> > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800

> > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > >

> > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > hwartz/

> > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > >

> > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > people_

> > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-

org>

> > People for

> > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

dollars

> > for fake

> > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> > organization.

> > > >

> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for

a $1

> > million

> > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

produce

> > commercially

> > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> > 2012. "

> > > >

> > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test

tube

> > is not new.

> > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > technologies to grow

> > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

> > expense of land

> > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

international

> > symposium

> > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once

> > grown, could be

> > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > structural agents

> > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more

meaty

> > texture.

> > > >

> > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> > field, says on

> > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > substitutes are

> > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain

in

> > traditional

> > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

polluting

> > and more

> > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > >

> > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > johns_h

> > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> > University who

> > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers

was

> > promising.

> > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > x_prize

> > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

competition

> > that produced

> > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> > said, " they

> > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the

prize

> > represents. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping

to

> > get the

> > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology

for

> > at least a

> > > > decade.

> > > >

> > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

caused " a

> > near civil

> > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed

by

> > the thought

> > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > >

> > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she

was

> > part of the

> > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> > rights

> > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > philosophy and

> > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> > added, " I

> > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> > eating roadkill. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We

will

> > have members

> > > > leave us over this. "

> > > >

> > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

said. " Well,

> > human beings

> > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people

who

> > strive for

> > > > purity. "

> > > >

> > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

taking

> > uncomfortable

> > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that

way,

> > she said, " in

> > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > >

> > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted

with

> > a wary

> > > > welcome.

> > > >

> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> > Netherlands and

> > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

prize

> > competition.

> > > >

> > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > technology, "

> > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > >

> > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by

the

> > animal

> > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues

are

> > such

> > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has

put

> > $5 million

> > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > >

> > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

mail

> > that he was

> > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

> > even with

> > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

> > commercially

> > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor

Roelen

> > added, " For

> > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

> > > >

> > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

fundamental

> > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks for the clarification! I have vision problems that often

cause me to miss things when I read online. Doesn't change my

opinion of PETA, however, and I still have fundamental issues with

this kind of ensteinian approach...I choose Mama Nature's

cuisine everytime!

Roxy

> > > >

> > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800

> > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > >

> > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > hwartz/

> > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > >

> > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > people_

> > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-

org>

> > People for

> > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

dollars

> > for fake

> > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> > organization.

> > > >

> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for

a $1

> > million

> > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

produce

> > commercially

> > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> > 2012. "

> > > >

> > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test

tube

> > is not new.

> > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > technologies to grow

> > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

> > expense of land

> > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

international

> > symposium

> > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once

> > grown, could be

> > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > structural agents

> > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more

meaty

> > texture.

> > > >

> > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> > field, says on

> > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > substitutes are

> > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain

in

> > traditional

> > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

polluting

> > and more

> > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > >

> > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > johns_h

> > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> > University who

> > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers

was

> > promising.

> > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > >

> >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > x_prize

> > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

competition

> > that produced

> > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> > said, " they

> > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the

prize

> > represents. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping

to

> > get the

> > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology

for

> > at least a

> > > > decade.

> > > >

> > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

caused " a

> > near civil

> > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed

by

> > the thought

> > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > >

> > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she

was

> > part of the

> > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> > rights

> > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > philosophy and

> > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> > added, " I

> > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> > eating roadkill. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We

will

> > have members

> > > > leave us over this. "

> > > >

> > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

said. " Well,

> > human beings

> > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people

who

> > strive for

> > > > purity. "

> > > >

> > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

taking

> > uncomfortable

> > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that

way,

> > she said, " in

> > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > >

> > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted

with

> > a wary

> > > > welcome.

> > > >

> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> > Netherlands and

> > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

prize

> > competition.

> > > >

> > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > technology, "

> > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > >

> > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by

the

> > animal

> > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues

are

> > such

> > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has

put

> > $5 million

> > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > >

> > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

mail

> > that he was

> > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

> > even with

> > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

> > commercially

> > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor

Roelen

> > added, " For

> > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

> > > >

> > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

fundamental

> > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks, ...what specifically bothers you about it?

I'm kind of a longterm, look-down-the-road type of person...there

are so many things being done in the name of science these days that

could best be described as slippery slopes into social demise...can

you say Soylent Green? Okay, okay, maybe I'm a bit of an alarmist,

but alarmists are valuable members to a surviving species. Roxy

> > > > >

> > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

this.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800

> > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > >

> > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > hwartz/

> > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > >

> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > people_

> > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-

org>

> > > People for

> > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

dollars

> > > for fake

> > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> > > organization.

> > > > >

> > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

for a $1

> > > million

> > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> > > 2012. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

test tube

> > > is not new.

> > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > technologies to grow

> > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

the

> > > expense of land

> > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

international

> > > symposium

> > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

once

> > > grown, could be

> > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > structural agents

> > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more

meaty

> > > texture.

> > > > >

> > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> > > field, says on

> > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > substitutes are

> > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

maintain in

> > > traditional

> > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

polluting

> > > and more

> > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > johns_h

> > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> > > University who

> > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

researchers was

> > > promising.

> > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > x_prize

> > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

competition

> > > that produced

> > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> > > said, " they

> > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the

prize

> > > represents. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

hoping to

> > > get the

> > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

technology for

> > > at least a

> > > > > decade.

> > > > >

> > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

caused " a

> > > near civil

> > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

repulsed by

> > > the thought

> > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she

was

> > > part of the

> > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> > > rights

> > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > philosophy and

> > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> > > added, " I

> > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We

will

> > > have members

> > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > >

> > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

said. " Well,

> > > human beings

> > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

people who

> > > strive for

> > > > > purity. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

taking

> > > uncomfortable

> > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that

way,

> > > she said, " in

> > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > >

> > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

greeted with

> > > a wary

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> > > Netherlands and

> > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

prize

> > > competition.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > technology, "

> > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > >

> > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

by the

> > > animal

> > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

issues are

> > > such

> > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has

put

> > > $5 million

> > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

mail

> > > that he was

> > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

that

> > > even with

> > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor

Roelen

> > > added, " For

> > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

much. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

fundamental

> > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Thanks, ...what specifically bothers you about it?

I'm kind of a longterm, look-down-the-road type of person...there

are so many things being done in the name of science these days that

could best be described as slippery slopes into social demise...can

you say Soylent Green? Okay, okay, maybe I'm a bit of an alarmist,

but alarmists are valuable members to a surviving species. Roxy

> > > > >

> > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

this.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

ex=1366516800

> > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > >

> > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > hwartz/

> > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > >

> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > people_

> > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-

org>

> > > People for

> > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

dollars

> > > for fake

> > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> > > organization.

> > > > >

> > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

for a $1

> > > million

> > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> > > 2012. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

test tube

> > > is not new.

> > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > technologies to grow

> > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

the

> > > expense of land

> > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

international

> > > symposium

> > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

once

> > > grown, could be

> > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > structural agents

> > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more

meaty

> > > texture.

> > > > >

> > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> > > field, says on

> > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > substitutes are

> > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

maintain in

> > > traditional

> > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

polluting

> > > and more

> > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > johns_h

> > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> > > University who

> > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

researchers was

> > > promising.

> > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > >

> > >

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > x_prize

> > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

competition

> > > that produced

> > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> > > said, " they

> > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the

prize

> > > represents. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

hoping to

> > > get the

> > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

technology for

> > > at least a

> > > > > decade.

> > > > >

> > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

caused " a

> > > near civil

> > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

repulsed by

> > > the thought

> > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she

was

> > > part of the

> > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> > > rights

> > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > philosophy and

> > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> > > added, " I

> > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We

will

> > > have members

> > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > >

> > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

said. " Well,

> > > human beings

> > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

people who

> > > strive for

> > > > > purity. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

taking

> > > uncomfortable

> > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that

way,

> > > she said, " in

> > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > >

> > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

greeted with

> > > a wary

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> > > Netherlands and

> > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

prize

> > > competition.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > technology, "

> > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > >

> > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

by the

> > > animal

> > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

issues are

> > > such

> > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has

put

> > > $5 million

> > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

mail

> > > that he was

> > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

that

> > > even with

> > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor

Roelen

> > > added, " For

> > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

much. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

fundamental

> > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi Roxy,

Several things bother me. Like you, I am leery of PETA to begin

with. I also have a problem with " fake " me*t, like soy and wheat

gluten products made to look and taste like slaughtered animals.

This of course is my personal opinion, and I guess if eating tofurky

for Thanksgiving spares some live birds, then that's progress. I

have the same problem with " flexitarians " who are vegetarian when

it's convenient for them. Off my soapbox now,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> ex=1366516800

> > > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > > hwartz/

> > > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > > people_

> > > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?

inline=nyt-

> org>

> > > > People for

> > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> dollars

> > > > for fake

> > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within

the

> > > > organization.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

> for a $1

> > > > million

> > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> produce

> > > > commercially

> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

by

> > > > 2012. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> test tube

> > > > is not new.

> > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > > technologies to grow

> > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> the

> > > > expense of land

> > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> international

> > > > symposium

> > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> once

> > > > grown, could be

> > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > > structural agents

> > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

more

> meaty

> > > > texture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote

the

> > > > field, says on

> > > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > substitutes are

> > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

> maintain in

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> polluting

> > > > and more

> > > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > > johns_h

> > > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s

Hopkins

> > > > University who

> > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> researchers was

> > > > promising.

> > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > > x_prize

> > > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

> competition

> > > > that produced

> > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

Matheny

> > > > said, " they

> > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than

the

> prize

> > > > represents. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

> hoping to

> > > > get the

> > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> technology for

> > > > at least a

> > > > > > decade.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> caused " a

> > > > near civil

> > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

> repulsed by

> > > > the thought

> > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said

she

> was

> > > > part of the

> > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

animal

> > > > rights

> > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > > philosophy and

> > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

Lange

> > > > added, " I

> > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable

promoting

> > > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural,

adding, " We

> will

> > > > have members

> > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> said. " Well,

> > > > human beings

> > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> people who

> > > > strive for

> > > > > > purity. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> taking

> > > > uncomfortable

> > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In

that

> way,

> > > > she said, " in

> > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

> greeted with

> > > > a wary

> > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in

the

> > > > Netherlands and

> > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> prize

> > > > competition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > > technology, "

> > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

> by the

> > > > animal

> > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> issues are

> > > > such

> > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands

has

> put

> > > > $5 million

> > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> mail

> > > > that he was

> > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> that

> > > > even with

> > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

> produce

> > > > commercially

> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

Professor

> Roelen

> > > > added, " For

> > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

> much. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> fundamental

> > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Roxy,

Several things bother me. Like you, I am leery of PETA to begin

with. I also have a problem with " fake " me*t, like soy and wheat

gluten products made to look and taste like slaughtered animals.

This of course is my personal opinion, and I guess if eating tofurky

for Thanksgiving spares some live birds, then that's progress. I

have the same problem with " flexitarians " who are vegetarian when

it's convenient for them. Off my soapbox now,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> ex=1366516800

> > > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > > hwartz/

> > > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > > people_

> > > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?

inline=nyt-

> org>

> > > > People for

> > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> dollars

> > > > for fake

> > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within

the

> > > > organization.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday

> for a $1

> > > > million

> > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> produce

> > > > commercially

> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

by

> > > > 2012. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> test tube

> > > > is not new.

> > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > > technologies to grow

> > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> the

> > > > expense of land

> > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> international

> > > > symposium

> > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> once

> > > > grown, could be

> > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > > structural agents

> > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

more

> meaty

> > > > texture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote

the

> > > > field, says on

> > > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > substitutes are

> > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to

> maintain in

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> polluting

> > > > and more

> > > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > > johns_h

> > > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s

Hopkins

> > > > University who

> > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> researchers was

> > > > promising.

> > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > > >

> > > >

>

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > > x_prize

> > > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

> competition

> > > > that produced

> > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

Matheny

> > > > said, " they

> > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than

the

> prize

> > > > represents. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been

> hoping to

> > > > get the

> > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> technology for

> > > > at least a

> > > > > > decade.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> caused " a

> > > > near civil

> > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are

> repulsed by

> > > > the thought

> > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said

she

> was

> > > > part of the

> > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

animal

> > > > rights

> > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > > philosophy and

> > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

Lange

> > > > added, " I

> > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable

promoting

> > > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural,

adding, " We

> will

> > > > have members

> > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> said. " Well,

> > > > human beings

> > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> people who

> > > > strive for

> > > > > > purity. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> taking

> > > > uncomfortable

> > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In

that

> way,

> > > > she said, " in

> > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was

> greeted with

> > > > a wary

> > > > > > welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in

the

> > > > Netherlands and

> > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> prize

> > > > competition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > > technology, "

> > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated

> by the

> > > > animal

> > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> issues are

> > > > such

> > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands

has

> put

> > > > $5 million

> > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> mail

> > > > that he was

> > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> that

> > > > even with

> > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to

> produce

> > > > commercially

> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

Professor

> Roelen

> > > > added, " For

> > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so

> much. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> fundamental

> > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Roxy, I could not agree with you more. I have not seen ethical in PETA since I was introduced to them.

Jo-Ann

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Roxanne Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Am I missing something? How is "building" animals in test tubes and then eating them any different from growing them on a farm as far as the animals are concerned? I get the benefit to the earth, but how is it Ethical Treatment of Animals? I haven' t liked PETA from the gitgo and my distrust is constantly reinforced. Pardon my disgust, Roxy in NoCal. (fairly new...first reply).> >> > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?ex=1366516800> > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?> ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529> > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > > > > > > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_schwartz/> > index.html?inline=nyt-per> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/people_> > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-org> People for> > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million dollars for fake> > meat - even if it has caused a "near civil war" within the organization.> > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for a $1 million> > prize to the "first person to come up with a method to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012." > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test tube is not new.> > For several years, scientists have worked to develop technologies to grow> > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the expense of land> > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An international symposium> > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once grown, could be> > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and structural agents> > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more meaty texture. > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the field, says on> > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, "Because meat substitutes are> > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain in traditional> > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less polluting and more> > humane than conventional meat." > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/johns_h> > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins University who> > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers was promising.> > Citing the example of the Ansari> > <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/x_prize> > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a competition that produced> > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny said, "they> > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the prize represents."> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping to get the> > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology for at least a> > decade. > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize caused "a near civil> > war in our office," since so many PETA members are repulsed by the thought> > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed. > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she was part of the> > heated exchange. "My main concern is, as the largest animal rights> > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the philosophy and> > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat." Ms. Lange added, "I> > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting eating roadkill."> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, "We will have members> > leave us over this." > > > > "People say animal rights people can't agree," she said. "Well, human beings> > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people who strive for> > purity." > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. "We don't mind taking uncomfortable> > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer." In that way, she said, "in> > vitro meat is a godsend."> > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted with a wary> > welcome.> > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and> > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the prize competition.> > > > "It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the technology,"> > Professor Haagsman said. > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by the animal> > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues are such> > important "drivers for this research." The Netherlands has put $5 million> > into in vitro meat studies. > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-mail that he was> > "rather surprised" by news of the competition, but said that even with> > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce commercially> > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor Roelen added, "For> > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much." > > > > Why not? "I do research because I want to understand fundamental> > mechanisms," he said, "not to gain fortune."> >>

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Hi group, Just a small technical request if it's ok - I've switched to digest form and maybe it's a price I have to pay, but it'd be ever so wonderful if people can delete long long long back and forth discussion when replying, and only leave a small pertinent part. If not, I understand too and will just keep my scrolling finger in top notch form :>) Roxy, where in Northern Calif are you?? I have a brother about an hour's drive north of San Francisco and another lifetime ago, I studied at Berkeley - I loved the Bay area - and most of all loved Mendocino when I'd go visit. I think I must be getting old, enjoying reminiscing of years past. Klara

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Hi group, Just a small technical request if it's ok - I've switched to digest form and maybe it's a price I have to pay, but it'd be ever so wonderful if people can delete long long long back and forth discussion when replying, and only leave a small pertinent part. If not, I understand too and will just keep my scrolling finger in top notch form :>) Roxy, where in Northern Calif are you?? I have a brother about an hour's drive north of San Francisco and another lifetime ago, I studied at Berkeley - I loved the Bay area - and most of all loved Mendocino when I'd go visit. I think I must be getting old, enjoying reminiscing of years past. Klara

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Good point, Klara!

I'm actually a bit further north in Humboldt County. I moved back

here after being in Chico for 20 years. I'm so happy to be here...I

can smell the ocean air and my entire family is here, from my 75

year old mom to my 6 year old granddaughter.

I'm not much to reminisce even though I'm getting up there in age as

well. Chico was the first place I ever stayed longer than a year! My

dad was in the Navy and I guess the transient life got into my

blood. (It wasn't til I had kids that I stopped wandering.) I tend

to be a " from this moment forward " thinker...had to learn how to

leave everything behind at an early age. I sometimes feel " jipped "

but then again it has it's perks.

And now you've discovered something else about me...I have trouble

being brief! I actually deleted a big chunk! :)

Thanks for asking, Roxy

>

>

> Roxy, where in Northern Calif are you?? I have a brother about

an hour's drive north of San Francisco and another lifetime ago, I

studied at Berkeley - I loved the Bay area - and most of all loved

Mendocino when I'd go visit.

>

> I think I must be getting old, enjoying reminiscing of years

past.

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Good point, Klara!

I'm actually a bit further north in Humboldt County. I moved back

here after being in Chico for 20 years. I'm so happy to be here...I

can smell the ocean air and my entire family is here, from my 75

year old mom to my 6 year old granddaughter.

I'm not much to reminisce even though I'm getting up there in age as

well. Chico was the first place I ever stayed longer than a year! My

dad was in the Navy and I guess the transient life got into my

blood. (It wasn't til I had kids that I stopped wandering.) I tend

to be a " from this moment forward " thinker...had to learn how to

leave everything behind at an early age. I sometimes feel " jipped "

but then again it has it's perks.

And now you've discovered something else about me...I have trouble

being brief! I actually deleted a big chunk! :)

Thanks for asking, Roxy

>

>

> Roxy, where in Northern Calif are you?? I have a brother about

an hour's drive north of San Francisco and another lifetime ago, I

studied at Berkeley - I loved the Bay area - and most of all loved

Mendocino when I'd go visit.

>

> I think I must be getting old, enjoying reminiscing of years

past.

>

> Klara

>

>

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Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Hi Roxy,Several things bother me. Like you, I am leery of PETA to begin with. I also have a problem with "fake" me*t, like soy and wheat gluten products made to look and taste like slaughtered animals. This of course is my personal opinion, and I guess if eating tofurky for Thanksgiving spares some live birds, then that's progress. I have the same problem with "flexitarians" who are vegetarian when it's convenient for them. Off my soapbox now, > > > > > >> > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading > this.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?> ex=1366516800> > > > > > <http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?> > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529> > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc 4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat> > > > > >> > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ people/s/ john_sc> > > > hwartz/> > > > > > index.html?inline= nyt-per>> > > > > >> > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ p/> > > > people_> > > > > > for_the_ethical_ treatment_ of_animals/ index.html?inline=nyt-> org>> > > > People for> > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million > dollars> > > > for fake> > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a "near civil war" within the> > > > organization.> > > > > >> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday > for a $1> > > > million> > > > > > prize to the "first person to come up with a method to > produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

by> > > > 2012."> > > > > >> > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a > test tube> > > > is not new.> > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop> > > > technologies to grow> > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without > the> > > > expense of land> > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An > international> > > > symposium> > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, > once> > > > grown, could be> > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and> > > > structural agents> > > > > > that are now used to give products

like soy burgers a more > meaty> > > > texture.> > > > > >> > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the> > > > field, says on> > > > > > its <http://www.new- harvest.org> Web site, "Because meat> > > > substitutes are> > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to > maintain in> > > > traditional> > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less > polluting> > > > and more> > > > > > humane than conventional meat."> > > > > >> > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > > > > >> > > > >

<http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ j/> > > > johns_h> > > > > > opkins_university/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> s Hopkins> > > > University who> > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for > researchers was> > > > promising.> > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ x/> > > > x_prize> > > > > > _foundation/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> X Prize, a >

competition> > > > that produced> > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny> > > > said, "they> > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the > prize> > > > represents."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been > hoping to> > > > get the> > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat > technology for> > > > at least a> > > > > > decade.> > > > > >> > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize > caused "a> > > > near civil> > > > > > war in our office," since so many PETA members are

> repulsed by> > > > the thought> > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she > was> > > > part of the> > > > > > heated exchange. "My main concern is, as the largest animal> > > > rights> > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the> > > > philosophy and> > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat." Ms. Lange> > > > added, "I> > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting> > > > eating roadkill."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the

disagreement was natural, adding, "We > will> > > > have members> > > > > > leave us over this."> > > > > >> > > > > > "People say animal rights people can't agree," she > said. "Well,> > > > human beings> > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are > people who> > > > strive for> > > > > > purity."> > > > > >> > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. "We don't mind > taking> > > > uncomfortable> > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer." In that > way,> > > > she said, "in> > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend."> > > > > >> > > > > > For some already

working in the field, the news was > greeted with> > > > a wary> > > > > > welcome.> > > > > >> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the> > > > Netherlands and> > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the > prize> > > > competition.> > > > > >> > > > > > "It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the> > > > technology,"> > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.> > > > > >> > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated > by the> > > > animal> > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health > issues are> > > > such>

> > > > > important "drivers for this research." The Netherlands has > put> > > > $5 million> > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.> > > > > >> > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-> mail> > > > that he was> > > > > > "rather surprised" by news of the competition, but said > that> > > > even with> > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to > produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor > Roelen> > > > added, "For> > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so > much."> > > > > >> > > > > > Why not?

"I do research because I want to understand > fundamental> > > > > > mechanisms," he said, "not to gain fortune."> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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Roxy

Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Hi Roxy,Several things bother me. Like you, I am leery of PETA to begin with. I also have a problem with "fake" me*t, like soy and wheat gluten products made to look and taste like slaughtered animals. This of course is my personal opinion, and I guess if eating tofurky for Thanksgiving spares some live birds, then that's progress. I have the same problem with "flexitarians" who are vegetarian when it's convenient for them. Off my soapbox now, > > > > > >> > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading > this.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?> ex=1366516800> > > > > > <http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?> > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529> > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc 4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat> > > > > >> > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ people/s/ john_sc> > > > hwartz/> > > > > > index.html?inline= nyt-per>> > > > > >> > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ p/> > > > people_> > > > > > for_the_ethical_ treatment_ of_animals/ index.html?inline=nyt-> org>> > > > People for> > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million > dollars> > > > for fake> > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a "near civil war" within the> > > > organization.> > > > > >> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday > for a $1> > > > million> > > > > > prize to the "first person to come up with a method to > produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices

by> > > > 2012."> > > > > >> > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a > test tube> > > > is not new.> > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop> > > > technologies to grow> > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without > the> > > > expense of land> > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An > international> > > > symposium> > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, > once> > > > grown, could be> > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and> > > > structural agents> > > > > > that are now used to give products

like soy burgers a more > meaty> > > > texture.> > > > > >> > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the> > > > field, says on> > > > > > its <http://www.new- harvest.org> Web site, "Because meat> > > > substitutes are> > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to > maintain in> > > > traditional> > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less > polluting> > > > and more> > > > > > humane than conventional meat."> > > > > >> > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at> > > > > >> > > > >

<http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ j/> > > > johns_h> > > > > > opkins_university/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> s Hopkins> > > > University who> > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for > researchers was> > > > promising.> > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ x/> > > > x_prize> > > > > > _foundation/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> X Prize, a >

competition> > > > that produced> > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny> > > > said, "they> > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the > prize> > > > represents."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been > hoping to> > > > get the> > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat > technology for> > > > at least a> > > > > > decade.> > > > > >> > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize > caused "a> > > > near civil> > > > > > war in our office," since so many PETA members are

> repulsed by> > > > the thought> > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she > was> > > > part of the> > > > > > heated exchange. "My main concern is, as the largest animal> > > > rights> > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the> > > > philosophy and> > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat." Ms. Lange> > > > added, "I> > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting> > > > eating roadkill."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the

disagreement was natural, adding, "We > will> > > > have members> > > > > > leave us over this."> > > > > >> > > > > > "People say animal rights people can't agree," she > said. "Well,> > > > human beings> > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are > people who> > > > strive for> > > > > > purity."> > > > > >> > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. "We don't mind > taking> > > > uncomfortable> > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer." In that > way,> > > > she said, "in> > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend."> > > > > >> > > > > > For some already

working in the field, the news was > greeted with> > > > a wary> > > > > > welcome.> > > > > >> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the> > > > Netherlands and> > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the > prize> > > > competition.> > > > > >> > > > > > "It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the> > > > technology,"> > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.> > > > > >> > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated > by the> > > > animal> > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health > issues are> > > > such>

> > > > > important "drivers for this research." The Netherlands has > put> > > > $5 million> > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.> > > > > >> > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-> mail> > > > that he was> > > > > > "rather surprised" by news of the competition, but said > that> > > > even with> > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to > produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor > Roelen> > > > added, "For> > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so > much."> > > > > >> > > > > > Why not?

"I do research because I want to understand > fundamental> > > > > > mechanisms," he said, "not to gain fortune."> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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Hi Roxy,

No problem, family comes first.

On 4/23/08, Roxanne <roxy2hsu@...> wrote:

Hi again...didn't want to leave you hangin but I'm going thru some family drama this morning and not really able to focus on the issues in the postings. Would like to discuss it with you more later if you'd like. Until then....

Roxy

Re: PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Hi Roxy,Several things bother me. Like you, I am leery of PETA to begin with. I also have a problem with " fake " me*t, like soy and wheat gluten products made to look and taste like slaughtered animals.

This of course is my personal opinion, and I guess if eating tofurky for Thanksgiving spares some live birds, then that's progress. I have the same problem with " flexitarians " who are vegetarian when

it's convenient for them. Off my soapbox now, > > > > > >> > > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading

> this.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?

> ex=1366516800> > > > > > <http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 04/21/us/ 21meat.html?

> > > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529> > > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>> > > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc 4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > > >> > > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ people/s/ john_sc

> > > > hwartz/> > > > > > index.html?inline= nyt-per>> > > > > >> > > > > > Published: April 21, 2008> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ p/

> > > > people_> > > > > > for_the_ethical_ treatment_ of_animals/ index.html?inline=nyt-> org>> > > > People for> > > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> dollars> > > > for fake> > > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the> > > > organization.> > > > > >

> > > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday > for a $1> > > > million> > > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by> > > > 2012. " > > > > > >> > > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a

> test tube> > > > is not new.> > > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop> > > > technologies to grow> > > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without

> the> > > > expense of land> > > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An > international> > > > symposium> > > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue,

> once> > > > grown, could be> > > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and> > > > structural agents> > > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a

more > meaty> > > > texture.> > > > > >> > > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the> > > > field, says on

> > > > > > its <http://www.new- harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > > substitutes are> > > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to > maintain in> > > > traditional> > > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> polluting> > > > and more> > > > > > humane than conventional meat. " > > > > > >> > > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ j/

> > > > johns_h> > > > > > opkins_university/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> s Hopkins> > > > University who> > > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for

> researchers was> > > > promising.> > > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari> > > > > >> > > > > <http://topics. nytimes.com/ top/reference/ timestopics/ organizations/ x/

> > > > x_prize> > > > > > _foundation/ index.html? inline=nyt- org> X Prize, a > competition> > > > that produced> > > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr.

Matheny> > > > said, " they> > > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the > prize> > > > represents. " > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been > hoping to> > > > get the> > > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat

> technology for> > > > at least a> > > > > > decade.> > > > > >> > > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize > caused " a

> > > > near civil> > > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are > repulsed by> > > > the thought> > > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she > was> > > > part of the> > > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest

animal> > > > rights> > > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the> > > > philosophy and> > > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms.

Lange> > > > added, " I> > > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting> > > > eating roadkill. " > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We > will> > > > have members> > > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > > >> > > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she > said. " Well,> > > > human beings> > > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are

> people who> > > > strive for> > > > > > purity. " > > > > > >> > > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> taking> > > > uncomfortable> > > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that > way,> > > > she said, " in> > > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > > >> > > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was > greeted with> > > > a wary> > > > > > welcome.> > > > > >

> > > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the> > > > Netherlands and> > > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> prize> > > > competition.> > > > > >> > > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the> > > > technology, " > > > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated > by the> > > > animal> > > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health

> issues are> > > > such> > > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has > put> > > > $5 million> > > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-> mail> > > > that he was> > > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said

> that> > > > even with> > > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to > produce> > > > commercially> > > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012.

Professor > Roelen> > > > added, " For> > > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so > much. " > > > > > >> > > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> fundamental> > > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. " > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >

> > >> >>

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Well I have no excuse for missing some stuff online. :)

I find much of what Peta does strange, I don't like that what's her name? the

founder,

finds that it's better to euthanize animals than keep them in shelters.

Although I disagree

with some of their tactics I still think they are better in some ways than

nothing, really do

get some better treatment for animals. Better sometimes than small mouths like

just ours

ya know?

My boyfriend said he thinks it would be better for a lab to come up with

something that's

meat like but from a vegetable source. Yes sure that's great but we live in a

violent society

that thinks somehow it's ok to kill and eat animals so how do we reason with

them?

Reggie

> > > > >

> > > > > Thought the group members may be interested in reading this.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> ex=1366516800

> > > > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html?

> > > > ex=1366516800 & en=ae4469529

> > > > > 5615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss>

> > > > > & en=ae44695295615fc4 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PETA's Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

> > > > >

> > > > > By JOHN SCHWARTZ

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/john_sc

> > > hwartz/

> > > > > index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> > > > >

> > > > > Published: April 21, 2008

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/

> > > people_

> > > > > for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals/index.html?inline=nyt-

> org>

> > > People for

> > > > > the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants to pay a million

> dollars

> > > for fake

> > > > > meat - even if it has caused a " near civil war " within the

> > > organization.

> > > > >

> > > > > The organization said it would announce plans on Monday for

> a $1

> > > million

> > > > > prize to the " first person to come up with a method to

> produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by

> > > 2012. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The idea of getting the next Chicken McNugget out of a test

> tube

> > > is not new.

> > > > > For several years, scientists have worked to develop

> > > technologies to grow

> > > > > tissue cultures that could be consumed like meat without the

> > > expense of land

> > > > > or feed and the disease potential of real meat. An

> international

> > > symposium

> > > > > on the topic was held this month in Norway. The tissue, once

> > > grown, could be

> > > > > shaped and given texture with the kinds of additives and

> > > structural agents

> > > > > that are now used to give products like soy burgers a more

> meaty

> > > texture.

> > > > >

> > > > > New Harvest, a nonprofit organization formed to promote the

> > > field, says on

> > > > > its <http://www.new-harvest.org> Web site, " Because meat

> > > substitutes are

> > > > > produced under controlled conditions impossible to maintain

> in

> > > traditional

> > > > > animal farms, they can be safer, more nutritious, less

> polluting

> > > and more

> > > > > humane than conventional meat. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Matheny, a doctoral student at

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/

> > > johns_h

> > > > > opkins_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> s Hopkins

> > > University who

> > > > > formed New Harvest, said the idea of a prize for researchers

> was

> > > promising.

> > > > > Citing the example of the Ansari

> > > > >

> > >

> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/x/

> > > x_prize

> > > > > _foundation/index.html?inline=nyt-org> X Prize, a

> competition

> > > that produced

> > > > > the first privately financed human spacecraft, Mr. Matheny

> > > said, " they

> > > > > inspire more dollars spent on a research problem than the

> prize

> > > represents. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said she had been hoping

> to

> > > get the

> > > > > organization involved in advancing in vitro meat technology

> for

> > > at least a

> > > > > decade.

> > > > >

> > > > > But, Ms. Newkirk said, the decision to sponsor a prize

> caused " a

> > > near civil

> > > > > war in our office, " since so many PETA members are repulsed

> by

> > > the thought

> > > > > of eating animal tissue, even if no animals are killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lange, a vice president of the organization, said she

> was

> > > part of the

> > > > > heated exchange. " My main concern is, as the largest animal

> > > rights

> > > > > organization in the world, it's our job to introduce the

> > > philosophy and

> > > > > hammer it home that animals are not ours to eat. " Ms. Lange

> > > added, " I

> > > > > remember saying I would be much more comfortable promoting

> > > eating roadkill. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Newkirk said the disagreement was natural, adding, " We

> will

> > > have members

> > > > > leave us over this. "

> > > > >

> > > > > " People say animal rights people can't agree, " she

> said. " Well,

> > > human beings

> > > > > can't agree. In any social cause community, there are people

> who

> > > strive for

> > > > > purity. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Her goal, she said, was more pragmatic. " We don't mind

> taking

> > > uncomfortable

> > > > > positions if it means that fewer animals suffer. " In that

> way,

> > > she said, " in

> > > > > vitro meat is a godsend. "

> > > > >

> > > > > For some already working in the field, the news was greeted

> with

> > > a wary

> > > > > welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Henk P. Haagsman, a professor at Utrecht University in the

> > > Netherlands and

> > > > > an in vitro meat research pioneer, said he welcomed the

> prize

> > > competition.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It will hopefully spark more interest to invest in the

> > > technology, "

> > > > > Professor Haagsman said.

> > > > >

> > > > > But he said he would not like to see the field dominated by

> the

> > > animal

> > > > > welfare issue, since environmental and public health issues

> are

> > > such

> > > > > important " drivers for this research. " The Netherlands has

> put

> > > $5 million

> > > > > into in vitro meat studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scientist at Utrecht, Bernard Roelen, said via e-

> mail

> > > that he was

> > > > > " rather surprised " by news of the competition, but said that

> > > even with

> > > > > strong financing, it would be extremely difficult to produce

> > > commercially

> > > > > viable quantities of in vitro meat before 2012. Professor

> Roelen

> > > added, " For

> > > > > me as a researcher, the announcement does not mean so much. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Why not? " I do research because I want to understand

> fundamental

> > > > > mechanisms, " he said, " not to gain fortune. "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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