Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi, Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some information I should look up? Thanks Kathy-- In , Nchaotic@a... wrote: > > Kathy - > > Oh, have I been where you are... It just makes me sooooo mad. My son has > Tourette's also. I remember during 5th grade when his teacher stopped the class > and berated him in front of everyone for " rolling his eyes at her. " She > actually perceived that my son who was afraid of his own shadow was throwing her > an attitude and rolling his eyes AT HER. When I went in to speak with her > about the incident - she procedure to wag her finger at me with the gyrating hips > (as in a 17 year-old attitude) - I stopped her mid stream - I could have > knocked her to the ground. I took a deep breath and told her I could not talk to > her at the moment because I was so angry. > > You have to keep on top of it. Don't expect that because the teachers know > she has " problems " that they will be compassionate and emphathetic. You must > make your presence known. Constantly be in there " checking up. " Go to your > principal/administrator - document the incidents and let them know this behavior > will NOT be tolerated. > > You mentioned a 504 or IEP - Tread carefully... These are two different > things. Do your research and be prepared. > > I think what really bothers me the most is had your daughter been in a > wheelchair or blind, the comment most likely would not have been made to her. It's > because our kids have disabilities that aren't always that apparent or > visible to the " normal " person that they continue to be treated the way they are. I > don't know that this will ever change, but until that time we as parents must > be their " guardian angel " so to speak. > > Good luck and know you are not alone. > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 7:23:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > musicgirl9395@y... writes: > Good luck. Don't be scared to march in their and demand respectful > treatment to your daughter. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi, Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some information I should look up? Thanks Kathy-- In , Nchaotic@a... wrote: > > Kathy - > > Oh, have I been where you are... It just makes me sooooo mad. My son has > Tourette's also. I remember during 5th grade when his teacher stopped the class > and berated him in front of everyone for " rolling his eyes at her. " She > actually perceived that my son who was afraid of his own shadow was throwing her > an attitude and rolling his eyes AT HER. When I went in to speak with her > about the incident - she procedure to wag her finger at me with the gyrating hips > (as in a 17 year-old attitude) - I stopped her mid stream - I could have > knocked her to the ground. I took a deep breath and told her I could not talk to > her at the moment because I was so angry. > > You have to keep on top of it. Don't expect that because the teachers know > she has " problems " that they will be compassionate and emphathetic. You must > make your presence known. Constantly be in there " checking up. " Go to your > principal/administrator - document the incidents and let them know this behavior > will NOT be tolerated. > > You mentioned a 504 or IEP - Tread carefully... These are two different > things. Do your research and be prepared. > > I think what really bothers me the most is had your daughter been in a > wheelchair or blind, the comment most likely would not have been made to her. It's > because our kids have disabilities that aren't always that apparent or > visible to the " normal " person that they continue to be treated the way they are. I > don't know that this will ever change, but until that time we as parents must > be their " guardian angel " so to speak. > > Good luck and know you are not alone. > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 7:23:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > musicgirl9395@y... writes: > Good luck. Don't be scared to march in their and demand respectful > treatment to your daughter. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Kathy - Don't have a lot of time right now, but what I mentioned about IEP versus 504 - an IEP in my opinion holds the school more accountable - Is your daughter classified? With the Tourette's she can be classified OHI (Other health impaired) regardless of whether she has an actual identified learning disability. In my opinion, you'd probably be best served by having her classified and then developing an IEP. A 504 would provide certain accomodations, but is harder to hold them (school) accountable with. I know it's hard and frustrating - I have three with various " quirks. " My oldest is 23 now - she was bipolar and ADHD - How I made if through those years with insanity intact is beyond me! We do it though, becuase what other choice do with have, right? We cry, scream and kick along the way, but we make it some how. Good luck and let us know how things go. In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amboe16@... writes: Hi, Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some information I should look up? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Kathy - Don't have a lot of time right now, but what I mentioned about IEP versus 504 - an IEP in my opinion holds the school more accountable - Is your daughter classified? With the Tourette's she can be classified OHI (Other health impaired) regardless of whether she has an actual identified learning disability. In my opinion, you'd probably be best served by having her classified and then developing an IEP. A 504 would provide certain accomodations, but is harder to hold them (school) accountable with. I know it's hard and frustrating - I have three with various " quirks. " My oldest is 23 now - she was bipolar and ADHD - How I made if through those years with insanity intact is beyond me! We do it though, becuase what other choice do with have, right? We cry, scream and kick along the way, but we make it some how. Good luck and let us know how things go. In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amboe16@... writes: Hi, Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some information I should look up? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 - My " accountability " comment was directed at holding the school accountable (under an IEP) not Kathy's daughter as opposed to just a 504 plan. My experience with a 504 is it is very hard to keep this enforced. With an IEP you have more " legal " leverage. By having her classified, she might possibly qualify for a small classroom with actually less than 15 kids per class as in a charter school. This would allow her to relax a bit more and hopefully gain the compassion of a special education teacher that she could consider an allie at some point. .. In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:32:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, plbus@... writes: The program sounds like it might work for some kids, but absolutely awful for many (probably most!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 - My " accountability " comment was directed at holding the school accountable (under an IEP) not Kathy's daughter as opposed to just a 504 plan. My experience with a 504 is it is very hard to keep this enforced. With an IEP you have more " legal " leverage. By having her classified, she might possibly qualify for a small classroom with actually less than 15 kids per class as in a charter school. This would allow her to relax a bit more and hopefully gain the compassion of a special education teacher that she could consider an allie at some point. .. In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:32:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, plbus@... writes: The program sounds like it might work for some kids, but absolutely awful for many (probably most!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Kathy, The program sounds like it might work for some kids, but absolutely awful for many (probably most!). I think kids can be only be held " accountable " if they are capable of doing the assignment (understanding the work and what needs to be done) in the first place. And big loud voices? Wouldn't work for me at all! In my opinion, it would be better to move her out of the program. Yes, that is hard, but it sounds like the program is absolutely awful. And although it means a change for her, it also shows her that you care for her well-being. Why not involve her in the decision? Then she feels more control whether she stays or goes into mainstream classes. And if in your area there are charter schools, consider that. Often class sizes are much smaller (one of the ones near us has 15 kids per room!). One problem with many charters are that there are no buses to them, which could make it impossible since you work. Good luck to you. This is so awful for you and your family. -- E. Re: Re: Kathy - help me- > Hi Kathy - > > Don't have a lot of time right now, but what I mentioned about IEP versus > 504 > - an IEP in my opinion holds the school more accountable - Is your > daughter > classified? With the Tourette's she can be classified OHI (Other health > impaired) regardless of whether she has an actual identified learning > disability. > In my opinion, you'd probably be best served by having her classified and > then > developing an IEP. A 504 would provide certain accomodations, but is > harder > to hold them (school) accountable with. > > I know it's hard and frustrating - I have three with various " quirks. " > My > oldest is 23 now - she was bipolar and ADHD - How I made if through those > years > with insanity intact is beyond me! We do it though, becuase what other > choice do with have, right? We cry, scream and kick along the way, but we > make it > some how. > > Good luck and let us know how things go. > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > amboe16@... writes: > Hi, > Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this > in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other > children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me > constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. > > What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't > know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some > information I should look up? > > Thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Kathy, The program sounds like it might work for some kids, but absolutely awful for many (probably most!). I think kids can be only be held " accountable " if they are capable of doing the assignment (understanding the work and what needs to be done) in the first place. And big loud voices? Wouldn't work for me at all! In my opinion, it would be better to move her out of the program. Yes, that is hard, but it sounds like the program is absolutely awful. And although it means a change for her, it also shows her that you care for her well-being. Why not involve her in the decision? Then she feels more control whether she stays or goes into mainstream classes. And if in your area there are charter schools, consider that. Often class sizes are much smaller (one of the ones near us has 15 kids per room!). One problem with many charters are that there are no buses to them, which could make it impossible since you work. Good luck to you. This is so awful for you and your family. -- E. Re: Re: Kathy - help me- > Hi Kathy - > > Don't have a lot of time right now, but what I mentioned about IEP versus > 504 > - an IEP in my opinion holds the school more accountable - Is your > daughter > classified? With the Tourette's she can be classified OHI (Other health > impaired) regardless of whether she has an actual identified learning > disability. > In my opinion, you'd probably be best served by having her classified and > then > developing an IEP. A 504 would provide certain accomodations, but is > harder > to hold them (school) accountable with. > > I know it's hard and frustrating - I have three with various " quirks. " > My > oldest is 23 now - she was bipolar and ADHD - How I made if through those > years > with insanity intact is beyond me! We do it though, becuase what other > choice do with have, right? We cry, scream and kick along the way, but we > make it > some how. > > Good luck and let us know how things go. > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > amboe16@... writes: > Hi, > Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this > in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other > children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me > constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. > > What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't > know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some > information I should look up? > > Thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi, I live in Southern Calif. I don't think in my area there are charter schools. I don't know anything about them. Do they have to be in the district you live in? Do they cost money? I'm trying to involve her in the decision and I know she is just torn between leaving friends in the class and starting something new. She changes her mind constantly. Some days are good, some are just terrible, but more terrible than most. Decision making for her is not easy at all. She has changed her mind at least 12 times already this year for a Halloween costume... But on the positive side, this is the first year in her entire life that she's ever gone out trick or treating because she was always too scared. So, just the fact that she's going to do it and is excited about it is a real treat. Kathy Thanks Kathy > > Hi Kathy, > > The program sounds like it might work for some kids, but absolutely awful > for many (probably most!). I think kids can be only be held " accountable " > if they are capable of doing the assignment (understanding the work and what > needs to be done) in the first place. And big loud voices? Wouldn't work > for me at all! > > In my opinion, it would be better to move her out of the program. Yes, that > is hard, but it sounds like the program is absolutely awful. And although > it means a change for her, it also shows her that you care for her > well-being. Why not involve her in the decision? Then she feels more > control whether she stays or goes into mainstream classes. > > And if in your area there are charter schools, consider that. Often class > sizes are much smaller (one of the ones near us has 15 kids per room!). One > problem with many charters are that there are no buses to them, which could > make it impossible since you work. > > Good luck to you. This is so awful for you and your family. > > -- E. > > Re: Re: Kathy - help me- > > > > Hi Kathy - > > > > Don't have a lot of time right now, but what I mentioned about IEP versus > > 504 > > - an IEP in my opinion holds the school more accountable - Is your > > daughter > > classified? With the Tourette's she can be classified OHI (Other health > > impaired) regardless of whether she has an actual identified learning > > disability. > > In my opinion, you'd probably be best served by having her classified and > > then > > developing an IEP. A 504 would provide certain accomodations, but is > > harder > > to hold them (school) accountable with. > > > > I know it's hard and frustrating - I have three with various " quirks. " > > My > > oldest is 23 now - she was bipolar and ADHD - How I made if through those > > years > > with insanity intact is beyond me! We do it though, becuase what other > > choice do with have, right? We cry, scream and kick along the way, but we > > make it > > some how. > > > > Good luck and let us know how things go. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > amboe16@y... writes: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the understanding. This is very hard dealing with all this > > in the school system. I'm so stretched for time having 2 other > > children and being single mom and working, it's just draining me > > constantly worrying about what is going on with her in school. > > > > What did you mean tread carefully? about the 504 and iep? I don't > > know anything about either one of these, can you recommend some > > information I should look up? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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