Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

March 8, 2004

> Dear ,

>

> We have seen this before, and were able to reduce this by taking

> flax oil. It seems that Omega 3 EFAs are involved in this process.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

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> From: " brian " <fade_216@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: mental crash after ozone sauna

> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0000

>

> Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

> great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind becomes

> pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

> electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this effect.

> I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

> effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

>

> I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was

doing

> ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

> because they would cause insomnia.

>

> thanks

> brian

>

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March 8, 2004

> Dear ,

>

> We have seen this before, and were able to reduce this by taking

> flax oil. It seems that Omega 3 EFAs are involved in this process.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: " brian " <fade_216@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: mental crash after ozone sauna

> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0000

>

> Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

> great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind becomes

> pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

> electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this effect.

> I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

> effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

>

> I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was

doing

> ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

> because they would cause insomnia.

>

> thanks

> brian

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

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March 8, 2004

If your body is trying to heal itself, there will be some sort of healing

reaction it will go through.

Whether it be big, small or just getting rid of what is in the body that is

toxic whichever way it comes out of the body. Some don't even know they are

going through them at times, just depends on the body.

GAle ^i^

http://www.orgone.biz

" aluckower " <aluckower@...> wrote:

>

> gale

>

> what is 'the healing reactions'

>

> jill has a valid point

>

> you cannot just ascribe everything in the world as a healing reaction,

even

> though in your mind it may make sense. and if you are talking about the

> woman who went through the gerson program, that is only one person's

> experience and not necessarily relevant to the rest of humanity.

>

> there are many ( infinite) ways of interpreting bodily reactions

>

> for example, people here are always concerned with killing candida

>

> there are people on the metals list who have elminated candida just by

> getting their fillings out or chelating. no healing reaction necessary.

this

> is why context is so important

>

> i have read your story about healing reactions. and i also have

experienced

> almost everything that woman has experienced. i am keeping an open mind

that

> there are other ways to go about achieving an end

>

> for example i talked with a woman who restored her endocrine system using

> wilson's syndrome protocol. she didn't have to go through any healing

> reaction.

>

> and even if it is a healing reaction, there are many ways to go through

it.

> finding the best one for the person at the right time is part of the art

of

> this.

>

> another example

>

> some of the most difficult healing reactions are caused by the primal

diet.

> it is a great modality. however not without flaws. & nbsp; all of the people

> that

> blindly abide to is as the ultimate salvation i feel suffer from a common

> delusion, that this is the only way to do things. i was going through

daily

> cleansing reactions that almost drove me insane. yes they were no doubt

> healing reactions. however the primal diet progenitor aajonus is in denial

> about liver cleanses being real. so therefore everyone who does his diet

> does so with a constantly congested liver. perhaps spending the rest of

> their days with a clogged liver, going through healing reactions.

>

> the world of alternative health is rife with examples like this. mainly

due

> to, imo, people with small closed minds

>

> death too can be considered a cleansing reaction, though many of us here

are

> trying to postpone it

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for

> information and research purposes only. & nbsp; We are people sharing

information

> we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own

risk. & nbsp;

> Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

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March 8, 2004

If your body is trying to heal itself, there will be some sort of healing

reaction it will go through.

Whether it be big, small or just getting rid of what is in the body that is

toxic whichever way it comes out of the body. Some don't even know they are

going through them at times, just depends on the body.

GAle ^i^

http://www.orgone.biz

" aluckower " <aluckower@...> wrote:

>

> gale

>

> what is 'the healing reactions'

>

> jill has a valid point

>

> you cannot just ascribe everything in the world as a healing reaction,

even

> though in your mind it may make sense. and if you are talking about the

> woman who went through the gerson program, that is only one person's

> experience and not necessarily relevant to the rest of humanity.

>

> there are many ( infinite) ways of interpreting bodily reactions

>

> for example, people here are always concerned with killing candida

>

> there are people on the metals list who have elminated candida just by

> getting their fillings out or chelating. no healing reaction necessary.

this

> is why context is so important

>

> i have read your story about healing reactions. and i also have

experienced

> almost everything that woman has experienced. i am keeping an open mind

that

> there are other ways to go about achieving an end

>

> for example i talked with a woman who restored her endocrine system using

> wilson's syndrome protocol. she didn't have to go through any healing

> reaction.

>

> and even if it is a healing reaction, there are many ways to go through

it.

> finding the best one for the person at the right time is part of the art

of

> this.

>

> another example

>

> some of the most difficult healing reactions are caused by the primal

diet.

> it is a great modality. however not without flaws. & nbsp; all of the people

> that

> blindly abide to is as the ultimate salvation i feel suffer from a common

> delusion, that this is the only way to do things. i was going through

daily

> cleansing reactions that almost drove me insane. yes they were no doubt

> healing reactions. however the primal diet progenitor aajonus is in denial

> about liver cleanses being real. so therefore everyone who does his diet

> does so with a constantly congested liver. perhaps spending the rest of

> their days with a clogged liver, going through healing reactions.

>

> the world of alternative health is rife with examples like this. mainly

due

> to, imo, people with small closed minds

>

> death too can be considered a cleansing reaction, though many of us here

are

> trying to postpone it

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for

> information and research purposes only. & nbsp; We are people sharing

information

> we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own

risk. & nbsp;

> Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

> responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

> yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. & nbsp; Do not use any ideas found

here

> without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or

health

> care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address

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March 8, 2004

Just a comment on this - if you are doing a steam sauna the water is

being distilled a second time (since it is turned to steam). So I

would doubt that there's any problem with that.

I believe the reason that distilled water is recommended is so that

minerals, etc, do not build up in the steamer. My steam unit (not

one of Saul's)starting sparking one day, I unplugged it, opened it up

and found that moist mineral deposits were causing a short circuit.

I had been using filtered water because my local grocery stores had

been out of distilled water every time I went looking for it. So I

cleaned out the deposits and make sure to use only distilled water

now.

> I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

> feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why

the

> water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in

the

> water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in

plastic

> bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

> does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

> have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

> but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

>

> The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

>

> The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff

in

> the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

> by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

> hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not

really

> able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small

amounts

> of time of vaginal.

March 8, 2004

Just a comment on this - if you are doing a steam sauna the water is

being distilled a second time (since it is turned to steam). So I

would doubt that there's any problem with that.

I believe the reason that distilled water is recommended is so that

minerals, etc, do not build up in the steamer. My steam unit (not

one of Saul's)starting sparking one day, I unplugged it, opened it up

and found that moist mineral deposits were causing a short circuit.

I had been using filtered water because my local grocery stores had

been out of distilled water every time I went looking for it. So I

cleaned out the deposits and make sure to use only distilled water

now.

> I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

> feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why

the

> water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in

the

> water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in

plastic

> bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

> does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

> have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

> but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

>

> The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

>

> The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff

in

> the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

> by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

> hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not

really

> able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small

amounts

> of time of vaginal.

March 8, 2004

Gale,

This is possible, but far too often the alternative health community

looks at negative effects as a positive healing reaction without

questioning it. It is of note that I have been doing these saunas

for over a year and experienced nothing like this in the beginning,

actually it's happened more and more recently, so I personally highly

doubt it is to detoxification.

> Just a healing reaction going on.

>

> Gale ^i^

> http://orgone.biz

>

> Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

>

> I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable,

jumpy,

> feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why

the

> water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in

the

> water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in

plastic

> bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

> does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I

do

> have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled

water,

> but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

>

> The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

>

> The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off

stuff in

> the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul

explained

> by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have

a

> hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not

really

> able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small

amounts

> of time of vaginal.

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative

therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will

find here are for information and research purposes only. We are

people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found

here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence,

common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own

actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY

responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without

consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or

health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the

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