Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

March 8, 2004

Hi Brain,

I haven't done any saunas but I have always noticed a dizzy, fried

feeling mentally after dong increased abouts of ozone whether it be

insufflation or drinking the ozonated water. It is more prominate

when drinking the water. I am just assuming it is some kind of

dieoff. I would hate to think this is the way it will always be. I

am also hoping it doesn't have anything to do with all the fillings I

have in my mouth.

Gail

> Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

> great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind

becomes

> pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

> electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this

effect.

> I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

> effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

>

> I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was

doing

> ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

> because they would cause insomnia.

>

> thanks

> brian

March 8, 2004

Hi Brain,

I haven't done any saunas but I have always noticed a dizzy, fried

feeling mentally after dong increased abouts of ozone whether it be

insufflation or drinking the ozonated water. It is more prominate

when drinking the water. I am just assuming it is some kind of

dieoff. I would hate to think this is the way it will always be. I

am also hoping it doesn't have anything to do with all the fillings I

have in my mouth.

Gail

> Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

> great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind

becomes

> pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

> electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this

effect.

> I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

> effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

>

> I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was

doing

> ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

> because they would cause insomnia.

>

> thanks

> brian

March 8, 2004

Dear ,

We have seen this before, and were able to reduce this by taking

flax oil. It seems that Omega 3 EFAs are involved in this process.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: mental crash after ozone sauna

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0000

Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind becomes

pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this effect.

I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was doing

ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

because they would cause insomnia.

thanks

brian

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Dear ,

We have seen this before, and were able to reduce this by taking

flax oil. It seems that Omega 3 EFAs are involved in this process.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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oxyplus

Subject: mental crash after ozone sauna

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0000

Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind becomes

pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this effect.

I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was doing

ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

because they would cause insomnia.

thanks

brian

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March 8, 2004

I notice a fried buzzy brain feeling after taking certain Solgar vitamins

that are highly touted. They are high in B vits. I have lots of amalgam

and am in need of dental revision.

J.

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

Hi Brain,

I haven't done any saunas but I have always noticed a dizzy, fried

feeling mentally after dong increased abouts of ozone whether it be

insufflation or drinking the ozonated water. It is more prominate

when drinking the water. I am just assuming it is some kind of

dieoff. I would hate to think this is the way it will always be. I

am also hoping it doesn't have anything to do with all the fillings I

have in my mouth.

Gail

March 8, 2004

I notice a fried buzzy brain feeling after taking certain Solgar vitamins

that are highly touted. They are high in B vits. I have lots of amalgam

and am in need of dental revision.

J.

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

Hi Brain,

I haven't done any saunas but I have always noticed a dizzy, fried

feeling mentally after dong increased abouts of ozone whether it be

insufflation or drinking the ozonated water. It is more prominate

when drinking the water. I am just assuming it is some kind of

dieoff. I would hate to think this is the way it will always be. I

am also hoping it doesn't have anything to do with all the fillings I

have in my mouth.

Gail

March 8, 2004

I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why the

water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in the

water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in plastic

bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff in

the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not really

able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small amounts

of time of vaginal.

March 8, 2004

I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why the

water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in the

water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in plastic

bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff in

the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not really

able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small amounts

of time of vaginal.

March 8, 2004

Just a healing reaction going on.

Gale ^i^

http://orgone.biz

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why the

water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in the

water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in plastic

bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff in

the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not really

able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small amounts

of time of vaginal.

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alternative self-help subjects.

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March 8, 2004

Just a healing reaction going on.

Gale ^i^

http://orgone.biz

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

I notice the weird feeling from the water. I get irritable, jumpy,

feel upset, etc. Later I get real tired. I cannot figure out why the

water has such an effect. Maybe some other things are created in the

water, for instance, even though its " distilled " it comes in plastic

bottles--plastic could leach into the water (I'm sure it probably

does) and maybe the ozone reacts with that? Just a thought. I do

have a distiller but I am feeling too lazy to make distilled water,

but perhaps I will do it on the weekend.

The sauna (so far) has a mood elevating peaceful effect.

The vaginal insufflation--I am pretty sure it is killing off stuff in

the bladder, so I have to go very slow on it. Also, Saul explained

by email to me that 1/16th is stronger than 1/32nd. Since I have a

hard time regulating my concentrator down that low and am not really

able to get it down to 1/32nd I figure I should do very small amounts

of time of vaginal.

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March 8, 2004

Hi Gale, I don't think you can always say that " just a healing

reaction. " It could be, or it could be any # of other things--as for

instance, Saul has mentioned liver cleansing, and now fatty acids. It

is important to be careful when interpreting people's

responses/descriptions on the internet...

March 8, 2004

Hi Gale, I don't think you can always say that " just a healing

reaction. " It could be, or it could be any # of other things--as for

instance, Saul has mentioned liver cleansing, and now fatty acids. It

is important to be careful when interpreting people's

responses/descriptions on the internet...

March 8, 2004

But once again Jill, have you read the healing reactions?

Or did you read and quit, it might answer some of your questions. And once

again that is choice as well.

You might want to read the whole thing and see if what you are experiencing is

there.

Here is the site again and others might like to read this as well.

http://orgone.biz/healing_reactions.html

Having great health is great, I have been on hydrogen peroxide since 1994 and

yes I have been through most of these reactions

a time or to and I am now enjoying great health and lots of energy as well.

Wishing all great health and happy living,

Gale ^i^

http://orgone.biz

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

Hi Gale, I don't think you can always say that " just a healing

reaction. " It could be, or it could be any # of other things--as for

instance, Saul has mentioned liver cleansing, and now fatty acids. It

is important to be careful when interpreting people's

responses/descriptions on the internet...

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March 8, 2004

But once again Jill, have you read the healing reactions?

Or did you read and quit, it might answer some of your questions. And once

again that is choice as well.

You might want to read the whole thing and see if what you are experiencing is

there.

Here is the site again and others might like to read this as well.

http://orgone.biz/healing_reactions.html

Having great health is great, I have been on hydrogen peroxide since 1994 and

yes I have been through most of these reactions

a time or to and I am now enjoying great health and lots of energy as well.

Wishing all great health and happy living,

Gale ^i^

http://orgone.biz

Re: mental crash after ozone sauna

Hi Gale, I don't think you can always say that " just a healing

reaction. " It could be, or it could be any # of other things--as for

instance, Saul has mentioned liver cleansing, and now fatty acids. It

is important to be careful when interpreting people's

responses/descriptions on the internet...

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March 8, 2004

Yes, actually, I did read what happened to her, at least on your

website. Haven't read the book itself.

But you notice she notes that she didn't have enough of certain

essential nutrients at one point...iodine, potassium etc, and didn't

know it at that point--and that was part of her body's response (or

lack thereof).

There is more than simply " healing reaction. "

I always think we must be careul to diagnose via internet. I take it

with a grain of salt myself but I know some people are easily

influenced. It is good to gather all kinds of information. For

instance, I am interested in the fatty acid connection Saul

mentioned. There may be ways one can support the body when doing

ozone. Nothing is without side effects.

March 8, 2004

Yes, actually, I did read what happened to her, at least on your

website. Haven't read the book itself.

But you notice she notes that she didn't have enough of certain

essential nutrients at one point...iodine, potassium etc, and didn't

know it at that point--and that was part of her body's response (or

lack thereof).

There is more than simply " healing reaction. "

I always think we must be careul to diagnose via internet. I take it

with a grain of salt myself but I know some people are easily

influenced. It is good to gather all kinds of information. For

instance, I am interested in the fatty acid connection Saul

mentioned. There may be ways one can support the body when doing

ozone. Nothing is without side effects.

March 8, 2004

Also, to my mind, that would not explain my different response to

sauna vs vaginal insufflation vs water. It's different with each

one. So, I will continue asking questions and thinking about it.

March 8, 2004

Also, to my mind, that would not explain my different response to

sauna vs vaginal insufflation vs water. It's different with each

one. So, I will continue asking questions and thinking about it.

March 8, 2004

-Hi Saul, , Jill & all,

Many years ago when I fist came down with cfids and was trying this

and that to help recover, I came across H202. I loved the stuff.

Finally I had some energy. Howcver, after a couple of months or so I

noticed right after I would drink it, my energy would just drain. I

eventually quit drinking it altogether. Somewhere during the early

years I also met Donna Crow and we would chat overy the phone about

what helps. I remember mentioning how the H202 had really helped

then after a while it backfired on me. She told me she had heard

when taking a high oxygen supplement, it will distroy the fatty acids

and one should supplement with them. Later I mentioned this to her

and she didn't remember saying that. However, after that we also

started taking evening primrose oil and never noticed the lag again.

I've mentioned this on other lists before and most have never even

heard of it but now you are saying about the same thing. Well, not

that it distroys the fatty acids but that you can reduce this mental

slump by taking flax. I think that's kind of exciting. It confirms

what Donna said many years ago. I don't really know, but I do know

that the ozone seems to really dry out my skin so I would think you

would need something. Now the problem I'm having is I actually do

take flax oil but am still having the mental problem so I would have

to assume it might be some kind of detox. I am taking a 1,000 mg.

capsule by NOW but I might try taking more just to see if it makes

any difference. Usually tho whenever I've tried to increase it in

the past, it really depressed me. Guess I can always be depressed

but oily and mentally sound. lol Somehow that seems contradictory.

I don't have much to report. It's only been a week since I started

this stuff, but have noticed my ears are very dry. I will insufflate

anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes two to three times daily and still am

not getting any oozing. I took a break over the weekend from the

vaginal infufflation because I was busy but did drink the water and

did the ear insuffation. It's just really too early to give any

accurate account, but I'm working on it. The one consistent thing

I've noticed is the water really wipes me out.

FWIW,

GAil

-- In oxyplus , " Saul Pressman " <spressman@h...> wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> We have seen this before, and were able to reduce this by taking

> flax oil. It seems that Omega 3 EFAs are involved in this process.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

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> From: " brian " <fade_216@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: mental crash after ozone sauna

> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:55:59 -0000

>

> Anyone notice this effect? Immediately after an ozone sauna I feel

> great, but within an hour or two I totally crash and my mind becomes

> pretty useless. I was wondering if it was due to loss of

> electrolytes, but non-ozone saunas do not seem to have this effect.

> I have tried reduced time in the ozone sauna and still notice the

> effect after a 10 minute sauna. Any thoughts?

>

> I did not notice this effect in the past, but in the past I was

doing

> ozone saunas in the evenings. I had to change them to mornings

> because they would cause insomnia.

>

> thanks

> brian

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

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>

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> for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

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> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

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> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas

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gale

what is 'the healing reactions'

jill has a valid point

you cannot just ascribe everything in the world as a healing reaction, even

though in your mind it may make sense. and if you are talking about the

woman who went through the gerson program, that is only one person's

experience and not necessarily relevant to the rest of humanity.

there are many ( infinite) ways of interpreting bodily reactions

for example, people here are always concerned with killing candida

there are people on the metals list who have elminated candida just by

getting their fillings out or chelating. no healing reaction necessary. this

is why context is so important

i have read your story about healing reactions. and i also have experienced

almost everything that woman has experienced. i am keeping an open mind that

there are other ways to go about achieving an end

for example i talked with a woman who restored her endocrine system using

wilson's syndrome protocol. she didn't have to go through any healing

reaction.

and even if it is a healing reaction, there are many ways to go through it.

finding the best one for the person at the right time is part of the art of

this.

another example

some of the most difficult healing reactions are caused by the primal diet.

it is a great modality. however not without flaws. all of the people that

blindly abide to is as the ultimate salvation i feel suffer from a common

delusion, that this is the only way to do things. i was going through daily

cleansing reactions that almost drove me insane. yes they were no doubt

healing reactions. however the primal diet progenitor aajonus is in denial

about liver cleanses being real. so therefore everyone who does his diet

does so with a constantly congested liver. perhaps spending the rest of

their days with a clogged liver, going through healing reactions.

the world of alternative health is rife with examples like this. mainly due

to, imo, people with small closed minds

death too can be considered a cleansing reaction, though many of us here are

trying to postpone it

March 8, 2004