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Jenna - I am so happy for you!!

Cherie

> > >

> > > I have seen a lot of things I am starting to wonder about. I

> have

> > no

> > > doubt that implants cause problems, however, I have seen that

> many

> > > women get them out and have problems still or what they call

> > relapses

> > > and they change the way they eat and such but still have

> problems.

> > So

> > > how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> > > I can't help but wonder if my implants are really the problem

or

> > if I

> > > am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not need right

away.

> I

> > had

> > > seen what I thought were symptoms but could also be stress

> related

> > and

> > > I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged lymph nodes

> but

> > dr

> > > Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them and neither

can

> > three

> > > other doctors that don't know why I had them check because I

> > didn't

> > > want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do not want to

> > spend my

> > > spring and summer recovering from a surgery that is going to

> drain

> > any

> > > self-confidence I had and be depressed.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Your body has accumulated toxins from your implants, simply removing the

implant does nothing to remove the toxic build up in your body, it simply

removes the source. It will take detoxing, cleansing and time to clean

your body up. Also, if you have developed autoimmune responses to your

implants, your body has to acclimate to having the implants out before it

stops reacting to the implants. Again, this doesn't happen over night.

Kenda

> I have seen a lot of things I am starting to wonder about. I have no

> doubt that implants cause problems, however, I have seen that many

> women get them out and have problems still or what they call relapses

> and they change the way they eat and such but still have problems. So

> how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> I can't help but wonder if my implants are really the problem or if I

> am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not need right away. I had

> seen what I thought were symptoms but could also be stress related and

> I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged lymph nodes but dr

> Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them and neither can three

> other doctors that don't know why I had them check because I didn't

> want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do not want to spend my

> spring and summer recovering from a surgery that is going to drain any

> self-confidence I had and be depressed.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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Hi. There is another thing we need to look at. I have been

monitoring and sometiems contributing to the site, and I have read

other sites as well. I think that the ladies who had the

explantaion and then had no other problems just eventually fell away

from the sites, so you aren't hearing aqbout them. I have seen

names come and go in my short three month exposure. The names I see

here are regulars because they in some way are help givers...then

there are others who are in the middle of the process and still

others who are in need of support as their bodies respond to the

detoxing. I just used way too many words to say that I think you

are missing the stories of many who experienced complete recovery

and no problems. Just a thought. Good luck with your decision

making. Also read the stories of these and other women at

explantation.com if you haven't already. Charlotte

>

> I have seen a lot of things I am starting to wonder about. I have

no

> doubt that implants cause problems, however, I have seen that many

> women get them out and have problems still or what they call

relapses

> and they change the way they eat and such but still have problems.

So

> how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> I can't help but wonder if my implants are really the problem or

if I

> am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not need right away. I

had

> seen what I thought were symptoms but could also be stress related

and

> I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged lymph nodes but

dr

> Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them and neither can

three

> other doctors that don't know why I had them check because I

didn't

> want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do not want to

spend my

> spring and summer recovering from a surgery that is going to drain

any

> self-confidence I had and be depressed.

>

>

>

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Charlotte,

I think you're right about many of the women who

recover after explant and move on soon after . . .

Sometimes they stop by to offer a word of

encouragement from time to time! That's always a

treat! . . . Some of them are out there working on the

implant issue in their own way!

I just wish that every woman who gets sick from her

implants would tell everyone she encounters about the

dangers of breast implants. Being ashamed of believing

the plastic surgeons, and keeping quiet, is only

allowing a serious problem to continue!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Charlotte <chiandjoe@...> wrote:

> Hi. There is another thing we need to look at. I

> have been

> monitoring and sometiems contributing to the site,

> and I have read

> other sites as well. I think that the ladies who

> had the

> explantaion and then had no other problems just

> eventually fell away

> from the sites, so you aren't hearing aqbout them.

> I have seen

> names come and go in my short three month exposure.

> The names I see

> here are regulars because they in some way are help

> givers...then

> there are others who are in the middle of the

> process and still

> others who are in need of support as their bodies

> respond to the

> detoxing. I just used way too many words to say

> that I think you

> are missing the stories of many who experienced

> complete recovery

> and no problems. Just a thought. Good luck with

> your decision

> making. Also read the stories of these and other

> women at

> explantation.com if you haven't already. Charlotte

>

>

>

> >

> > I have seen a lot of things I am starting to

> wonder about. I have

> no

> > doubt that implants cause problems, however, I

> have seen that many

> > women get them out and have problems still or what

> they call

> relapses

> > and they change the way they eat and such but

> still have problems.

> So

> > how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> > I can't help but wonder if my implants are really

> the problem or

> if I

> > am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not

> need right away. I

> had

> > seen what I thought were symptoms but could also

> be stress related

> and

> > I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged

> lymph nodes but

> dr

> > Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them

> and neither can

> three

> > other doctors that don't know why I had them check

> because I

> didn't

> > want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do

> not want to

> spend my

> > spring and summer recovering from a surgery that

> is going to drain

> any

> > self-confidence I had and be depressed.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I wish there were some kind of registry so that the numbers could be

counted, and the symptoms could be compared.

> > >

> > > I have seen a lot of things I am starting to

> > wonder about. I have

> > no

> > > doubt that implants cause problems, however, I

> > have seen that many

> > > women get them out and have problems still or what

> > they call

> > relapses

> > > and they change the way they eat and such but

> > still have problems.

> > So

> > > how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> > > I can't help but wonder if my implants are really

> > the problem or

> > if I

> > > am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not

> > need right away. I

> > had

> > > seen what I thought were symptoms but could also

> > be stress related

> > and

> > > I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged

> > lymph nodes but

> > dr

> > > Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them

> > and neither can

> > three

> > > other doctors that don't know why I had them check

> > because I

> > didn't

> > > want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do

> > not want to

> > spend my

> > > spring and summer recovering from a surgery that

> > is going to drain

> > any

> > > self-confidence I had and be depressed.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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,

Your doubts are very normal . . .

What you have to ask yourself is what you are willing

to risk to keep your implants? and, if they are worth

it?

I'm sure there are some women who have had theirs

removed, then went back and had them replaced. . .

But, I don't remember anyone on who has

said that they have replaced theirs after having them

removed for a time. . . I think one woman (Cheryl?)

had hers replaced at the time she had them removed.

IMHO, getting my implants removed was the single best

decision or investment I ever made in myself!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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Charlotte,

There's been some talk of that . . . I think involving

the silicone gels they are waiting for approval of

right now. . . However, if past history is any

indication, the doctors won't follow up with negative

reports! . . .

Great idea though!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- auntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote:

> I wish there were some kind of registry so that the

> numbers could be

> counted, and the symptoms could be compared.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I have seen a lot of things I am starting to

> > > wonder about. I have

> > > no

> > > > doubt that implants cause problems, however, I

> > > have seen that many

> > > > women get them out and have problems still or

> what

> > > they call

> > > relapses

> > > > and they change the way they eat and such but

> > > still have problems.

> > > So

> > > > how can it be the implants if they are

> removed??

> > > > I can't help but wonder if my implants are

> really

> > > the problem or

> > > if I

> > > > am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not

> > > need right away. I

> > > had

> > > > seen what I thought were symptoms but could

> also

> > > be stress related

> > > and

> > > > I had an ultra sound done that showed no

> enlarged

> > > lymph nodes but

> > > dr

> > > > Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel

> them

> > > and neither can

> > > three

> > > > other doctors that don't know why I had them

> check

> > > because I

> > > didn't

> > > > want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I

> do

> > > not want to

> > > spend my

> > > > spring and summer recovering from a surgery

> that

> > > is going to drain

> > > any

> > > > self-confidence I had and be depressed.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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, my symptoms are not totally gone, but they are about 80%

gone and I have an entirely new life compared to before my explant. I

may complain about symptoms now and again but belive me I have not

once felt that my recovery has been a depressing process. I have lived

more in the past 6 months than I had in the previous 4 years!!! Your

spring and summer will bring you happiness I am sure.

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Sis,

Apparently there has been some sort of registry established,

according to the news article, below. However, I think these

registries are way too late, and at this point in time can't

possibly give an accurate picture of what happens to women over a

period of 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. And I believe also that the

spin put on what data they do have is going to be skewed to show

what they want it to. I wouldn't be too impressed by anything the

PSEF, the educational arm of ASPS, puts out. Of course, they are

going to be biased.

This article came out 2 and a half years ago. If you take the data

that this article discusses, even that is alarming. If they would

have had data collected over the 40 years that breast implants have

been around, they could have had a goldmine of info to work with.

Right now, it is scant concerning the population of women who have

had implants.

Patty

Breast Implant Registry Shows Low Complication Rates for Silicone

Implants

http://www.plasticsurgery.org/news_room/press_releases/BREAST-

IMPLANT-REGISTRY-SHOWS-LOW-COMPLICATION-RATES-FOR-SILICONE-

IMPLANTS.cfm

Registries Key to Understanding Implant Benefits and Risks

For Immediate Release: May 28, 2003

ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, Ill. – Breast implant surgery registries across

the globe are dispelling myths and highlighting the benefits of

breast augmentation, reconstruction, and reduction. Data from the

Danish Registry for Plastic Surgery of the Breast shows that a low

number of silicone and saline implant patients experience

complications, according to an article published in the June issue

of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery®, the official medical journal

of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS).

" Breast implant surgery registries provide real-time, unbiased data

to plastic surgeons, crucial in examining the potential short-term

and, eventually, long-term complications and possible health effects

of surgery of the breast, " said ASPS member Leroy Young, MD, chair

of the Plastic Surgery Educational Foundation (PSEF) National Breast

Implant Registry. " In addition, not only will these data contribute

to the ongoing evaluation and improvement of surgical results and

surveillance of devices, but it will allow us to identify new areas

for research in the cosmetic and reconstructive breast surgery

fields. "

From June 1999 to November 2001, a total of 1,472 women with breast

implants were registered in the Danish Registry for Plastic Surgery

of the Breast. For 1,240 women, this was their first breast implant

procedure. Of the 1,240 women, 85 percent received breast implants

for augmentation (cosmetic) and 15 percent had implants for breast

reconstruction following mastectomy; 88 percent of all implants were

silicone gel. Additionally, 560 women were registered for breast

reduction surgery.

After their first breast augmentation, 16 percent of the women

experienced adverse effects (the majority of which was change in

feeling); 4 percent (of the 16 percent) had capsular contracture, or

a hardening of the breast due to scar tissue, the majority of which

were categorized as minor; and 1 percent (of the 16 percent)

required additional surgery.

A breast implant registry was established by PSEF, the educational

arm of ASPS, in 2000 to gather and analyze data regarding breast

surgeries to provide valuable information regarding breast

procedures to the public. To date more than 4,300 women have

registered in PSEF's National Breast Implant Registry. A formal

report is expected in late 2003. Additionally in May, 2002, an

international breast implant registry was established to gather

similar data from across the globe. The countries currently

participating in the international registry are: Brazil, Austrailia,

Mexico, Canada, Israel, Germany and the U.S.

ASPS, founded in 1931, is the largest plastic surgery organization

in the world and the foremost authority on cosmetic and

reconstructive plastic surgery. ASPS represents physicians certified

by The American Board of Plastic Surgery (ABPS) or The Royal College

of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada. For referrals to ABPS-

certified plastic surgeons in your area and to learn more about

cosmetic and reconstructive plastic surgery, call the ASPS at (888)

4-PLASTIC (1-888-475-2784) or visit www.plasticsurgery.org.

> > > >

> > > > I have seen a lot of things I am starting to

> > > wonder about. I have

> > > no

> > > > doubt that implants cause problems, however, I

> > > have seen that many

> > > > women get them out and have problems still or what

> > > they call

> > > relapses

> > > > and they change the way they eat and such but

> > > still have problems.

> > > So

> > > > how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> > > > I can't help but wonder if my implants are really

> > > the problem or

> > > if I

> > > > am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not

> > > need right away. I

> > > had

> > > > seen what I thought were symptoms but could also

> > > be stress related

> > > and

> > > > I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged

> > > lymph nodes but

> > > dr

> > > > Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them

> > > and neither can

> > > three

> > > > other doctors that don't know why I had them check

> > > because I

> > > didn't

> > > > want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do

> > > not want to

> > > spend my

> > > > spring and summer recovering from a surgery that

> > > is going to drain

> > > any

> > > > self-confidence I had and be depressed.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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: I think most of us went back and forth before our explants, wondering if we were doing the right thing, wanting to keep our implants, and needing "proof." I know went through this in the couple of months after I realized it was probably my implants causing my symptoms. I wasted a lot of valuable time waiting for appointments to see so-called "specialists." A rheumatologist told me he didn't think it was my implants and I should just leave them in as the silicone would be all over my body anyway. During these two months, I became horribly ill and I started coming down with new symptoms almost daily. I was in such a hurry by then I had to go to my implanting PS, who I didn't trust, because the recommended surgeons were booked months in advance. You can't expect to be 100% better over night as your immune system has taken a huge hit. It's been almost a year

since my explant and most of my symptoms are gone and I look and feel so much better. There's no doubt in my mind it was the implants. I don't trust doctors any more either, but the ones recommended here are the few who believe implants make us sick and do explant surgeries properly. You'll probably find your explant surgery to be much easier (less pain/recovery, etc.) than your implanting surgery. Although I was still pretty sick, I was only off work a couple of days and several of my symptoms went away instantly, such as twitching muscles. Kate swtlilblonde31 <swtlilblonde31@...> wrote: I have seen a lot of things I am starting to wonder about. I have no doubt that implants cause problems, however, I have seen that many

women get them out and have problems still or what they call relapses and they change the way they eat and such but still have problems. So how can it be the implants if they are removed?? I can't help but wonder if my implants are really the problem or if I am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not need right away. I had seen what I thought were symptoms but could also be stress related and I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged lymph nodes but dr Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them and neither can three other doctors that don't know why I had them check because I didn't want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do not want to spend my spring and summer recovering from a surgery that is going to drain any self-confidence I had and be depressed.

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Dr. Kolb removed my implants. SHe did not ever say my lymph nodes were

enlarged.

Indeed, upon explant, there was no need to remove any lymph nodes. However, my

20

year old silicone implants were grossly ruptured. I was nearly unable to walk

when I had

surgery and was in constant pain. Much of that is resolved now.

I do not think Dr. Kolb would tell you your lymph nodes were enlarged if they

weren't.

Dr. Kolb is ...unusual, I guess I would say. But I believe with all my heart

that she is an

outstanding doctor, and genuinely cares about women getting better.

I had been to all kind of doctors previously, and none figured out it was my

implants.

Actually, a doctor did figure it out, but I was not seeing him as a patient. He

is an attorney

as well as an MD, and knew immediately when I complained of my symptoms, what

was

going on. I had not told him I even had implants. That is the exception, not

the norm.

I had itchy rashes that drove me crazy for nearly 5 years, and no dermatologist

could

figure it out. Well, they went away after explant.

> I have seen a lot of things I am starting to wonder about. I have no

> doubt that implants cause problems, however, I have seen that many

> women get them out and have problems still or what they call relapses

> and they change the way they eat and such but still have problems. So

> how can it be the implants if they are removed??

> I can't help but wonder if my implants are really the problem or if I

> am going to pay 11,400 for a surgery I may not need right away. I had

> seen what I thought were symptoms but could also be stress related and

> I had an ultra sound done that showed no enlarged lymph nodes but dr

> Kolb says she feels them, but I can't feel them and neither can three

> other doctors that don't know why I had them check because I didn't

> want them to be bias. So what am I to think? I do not want to spend my

> spring and summer recovering from a surgery that is going to drain any

> self-confidence I had and be depressed.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

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I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood here is that everyone is different in their implant related illnesses.... some are sick just from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and after removal usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a much longer period of time causing many other heath issues that will take time to heal. In my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three surgeries due to complications before explanting including a complete rupture in 1999. What was found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the silicone envelope several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal 30% of my shells were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of mold, fungus and 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally contaminated with all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my 99 rupture... My doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my system from the breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc., is why I am still sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often. It will be 2 years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better - I was almost bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was happening then. I think that everyone is different as everyone had different styles and brands of implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some had them for 6 months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill from different parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone that broke down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me having Rheumatoid arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my body a while depending on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold is still in my system to heal.....

I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that they are making us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may get completely better right away while some with different types of exposures may take more time and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you ill, and I have no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they are taken out the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait another year or two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out it is then you have exposed your body to two more years of all the toxicity... two more year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly exposing a child if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not think it would be worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I know the surgery is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in the long run you will be doing the right thing.

Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

shari

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Shari,

I know you are right but I have silicone implants and not saline

and that is scary enough in itself. I have had these implants for

nearly 3 years and had saline implants prior to that for nearly 5

years so for a total of 8 years I have had breast implants. I don't

want to wait trust me but I am scared of making the wrong decision

on a doctor, I can't afford any more surgeries after explant this

has just drained our savings...everything my husband has worked for

in the past 6 years is gone and spent all on my chest!!

I also just started a full time job for the first time in 6 years, I

have stayed at home with my kids but I need to have an income

because of the money we are spending on my breasts. So now I am not

sure how I will get the time to have the surgery now that I have the

money...no time.It will not look good for me to have just started a

job and imediately take time off for surgery, so if anyone here

knows how lone I will need to be out of work I would greatly

appreaciate their info. I work in a pet store just so you know.

Thanks

>

>

>

> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood here

is that

> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses.... some

are sick just

> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

after removal

> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

much longer

> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take time

to heal. In

> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three surgeries

due to

> complications before explanting including a complete rupture in

1999. What was

> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

silicone envelope

> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal 30%

of my shells

> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

mold, fungus and

> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

contaminated with

> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my 99

rupture... My

> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

system from the

> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc., is

why I am still

> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often. It

will be 2

> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better - I

was almost

> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

happening then. I

> think that everyone is different as everyone had different styles

and brands of

> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some had

them for 6

> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

from different

> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

that broke

> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me having

Rheumatoid

> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my body a

while depending

> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold is

still in my

> system to heal.....

>

> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that they

are m

> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may get

completely better

> right away while some with different types of exposures may take

more time

> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you ill,

and I have

> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

are taken out

> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

another year or

> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out it

is then you

> have exposed your body to two more years of all the toxicity...

two more

> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

exposing a child

> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not think

it would be

> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I know

the surgery

> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in the

long run you

> will be doing the right thing.

>

> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

>

> shari

>

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Recovery from explant is much quicker than with implant; at least it

was in my experience. I was waitressing at the time of my explant

and I think I took off two weeks. Of course with waitressing you

are lifting heavy trays of food, but I tried to take it easy even

after I went back to work. (I worked at the largest restaurant in

the state of Arizona, so that helped because there were lots of

waitresses.) I think you will do okay.

My experience also was that there was way less pain than with

implant. I didn't even have to take the pain pills that they gave me.

I did not have drains though, which may be different for you.

Drains are really very important to have, as they help get all that

gunk to the outside of your body, instead of leaving it in you for

your body to fight off. I wish I would have had them; I ended up

looking like the bride of enstein with all the bruising I had,

not to mention the immune system effects.

I remember being able to be up and about fairly quickly and feeling

okay. (Still with symptoms though.) Maybe a week or less. And then

it was just a matter of time, and letting the body heal after you

get the stitches out. Maybe 3 weeks tops.

Everyone is different though, so just take my experience as an

example...I am sure you will get other replies about it.

Best wishes,

Patty

> >

> >

> >

> > I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood here

> is that

> > everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

some

> are sick just

> > from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

> after removal

> > usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

> much longer

> > period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

time

> to heal. In

> > my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three surgeries

> due to

> > complications before explanting including a complete rupture in

> 1999. What was

> > found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

> silicone envelope

> > several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal 30%

> of my shells

> > were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

> mold, fungus and

> > 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

> contaminated with

> > all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my 99

> rupture... My

> > doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

> system from the

> > breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc., is

> why I am still

> > sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often. It

> will be 2

> > years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better - I

> was almost

> > bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

> happening then. I

> > think that everyone is different as everyone had different

styles

> and brands of

> > implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

had

> them for 6

> > months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

> from different

> > parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

> that broke

> > down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me having

> Rheumatoid

> > arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my body

a

> while depending

> > on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

is

> still in my

> > system to heal.....

> >

> > I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

they

> are m

> > aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may get

> completely better

> > right away while some with different types of exposures may take

> more time

> > and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

ill,

> and I have

> > no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

> are taken out

> > the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

> another year or

> > two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

it

> is then you

> > have exposed your body to two more years of all the toxicity...

> two more

> > year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

> exposing a child

> > if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

think

> it would be

> > worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I know

> the surgery

> > is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in the

> long run you

> > will be doing the right thing.

> >

> > Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

> >

> > shari

> >

>

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I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

running around half naked.

I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

job.

I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

months now.

Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

have explant and lift??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

here

> > is that

> > > everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

> some

> > are sick just

> > > from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

> > after removal

> > > usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

> > much longer

> > > period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

> time

> > to heal. In

> > > my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

surgeries

> > due to

> > > complications before explanting including a complete rupture

in

> > 1999. What was

> > > found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

> > silicone envelope

> > > several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

30%

> > of my shells

> > > were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

> > mold, fungus and

> > > 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

> > contaminated with

> > > all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

99

> > rupture... My

> > > doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

> > system from the

> > > breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

is

> > why I am still

> > > sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

It

> > will be 2

> > > years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

I

> > was almost

> > > bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

> > happening then. I

> > > think that everyone is different as everyone had different

> styles

> > and brands of

> > > implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

> had

> > them for 6

> > > months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

> > from different

> > > parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

> > that broke

> > > down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

having

> > Rheumatoid

> > > arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

body

> a

> > while depending

> > > on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

> is

> > still in my

> > > system to heal.....

> > >

> > > I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

> they

> > are m

> > > aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

get

> > completely better

> > > right away while some with different types of exposures may

take

> > more time

> > > and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

> ill,

> > and I have

> > > no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

> > are taken out

> > > the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

> > another year or

> > > two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

> it

> > is then you

> > > have exposed your body to two more years of all the

toxicity...

> > two more

> > > year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

> > exposing a child

> > > if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

> think

> > it would be

> > > worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

know

> > the surgery

> > > is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

the

> > long run you

> > > will be doing the right thing.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

> > >

> > > shari

> > >

> >

>

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that can depend on what kind of work you're doing. if it's a desk job

or one that doesn't require much physical activity or mental stress

then I don't see why you couldn't try it. My grad classes start back

at the university this Monday, just 11 days after my surgery and i

don't see a problem with it except trying to carry my bookbag but i

can make other arrangements for that.maybe you can make some

arrangements on your job for anyting that might be a potential

problem. what is the nature of the job? plus if you can also continue

to rest, eat well, etc. while on the job and after you get home from

it, then you could do okay. I remember when i had my hysterectomy(5

hrs long and had some complications) almost 4 1/2 yrs ago, i had just

started a semester of undergrad classes-just 2- and i went back less

than 2 wks after it. it just depends on what that job takes out of

you,whether or not go back to it after a week and still continue to

heal properly. if the job leaves you overly tired,even now, then it

may be too much right after surgery.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

> here

> > > is that

> > > > everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

> > some

> > > are sick just

> > > > from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly

and

> > > after removal

> > > > usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

> > > much longer

> > > > period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

> > time

> > > to heal. In

> > > > my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

> surgeries

> > > due to

> > > > complications before explanting including a complete rupture

> in

> > > 1999. What was

> > > > found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

> > > silicone envelope

> > > > several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

> 30%

> > > of my shells

> > > > were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

> > > mold, fungus and

> > > > 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

> > > contaminated with

> > > > all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

> 99

> > > rupture... My

> > > > doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside

my

> > > system from the

> > > > breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

> is

> > > why I am still

> > > > sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

> It

> > > will be 2

> > > > years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

> I

> > > was almost

> > > > bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

> > > happening then. I

> > > > think that everyone is different as everyone had different

> > styles

> > > and brands of

> > > > implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't...

some

> > had

> > > them for 6

> > > > months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become

ill

> > > from different

> > > > parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the

silicone

> > > that broke

> > > > down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

> having

> > > Rheumatoid

> > > > arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

> body

> > a

> > > while depending

> > > > on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much

mold

> > is

> > > still in my

> > > > system to heal.....

> > > >

> > > > I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

> > they

> > > are m

> > > > aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

> get

> > > completely better

> > > > right away while some with different types of exposures may

> take

> > > more time

> > > > and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

> > ill,

> > > and I have

> > > > no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner

they

> > > are taken out

> > > > the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you

wait

> > > another year or

> > > > two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

> > it

> > > is then you

> > > > have exposed your body to two more years of all the

> toxicity...

> > > two more

> > > > year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

> > > exposing a child

> > > > if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

> > think

> > > it would be

> > > > worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

> know

> > > the surgery

> > > > is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

> the

> > > long run you

> > > > will be doing the right thing.

> > > >

> > > > Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you

make!!

> > > >

> > > > shari

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dr. Kolb will be able to tell you more what to expect, but here is

my two cents about it:

Going through surgery alone is stressful, and those issues of

fatigue and hair loss means something is out of whack in your body.

You could go back to work if you want, but you need to make sure

that during the other hours, you are doing nothing but giving

yourself some good TLC. That means lots of rest, good foods, fresh

air, a little bit of sunshine, lots of pure water, and NO STRESS.

As we have said on this group many times, stress is a killer. It

can actually delay healing and even make you worse, if you don't

learn to cope with it in healthy ways.

That is why we stress the spiritual aspects of healing on this group

as well.

Sometimes, for some people, working in the right job may be a good

stress reducer, and in that case, work can actually be a good thing.

Like, if your work with animals brings you great joy and it is lots

of fun, is not stressful and is actually a diversion from other

stressful situations, then work can be beneficial in those cases.

But I tend to think that those situations are few and far between.

You may be in just the right place, and it may work for you. The

only thing you can do is go by your gut instinct for what you feel

is right in your situation.

But I would ask Dr. Kolb if she thought you could go back to work

after one week. She'll probably know better than anyone else what

would be recommended after explant. She knows implant illness very

well.

Patty

>

> I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

> think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to

take

> off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

> hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but

my

> health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

> the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

> running around half naked.

> I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

> afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

> dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17

though.

> If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

> whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep

my

> job.

> I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

> doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also

I

> do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

> loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

> that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a

few

> months now.

> Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

> have explant and lift??

>

>

>

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, Talk it over with your employer, see if they can accomadate any restrictions you may have after your surgery. I know when I had my implant surgery I was back at work with restrictions within a week. In my opinion, don't let your job get in the way of your explant, I understand you need the money. How long will your job last if your symptoms get worse. I had to quit working six months ago because I couldn't walk very well on my own. I haven't been able to work since. I can't even hold an office job because I have limited use of my hands. I have new symptoms popping up just about every week. I will be praying for you difficult decisions. swtlilblonde31 <swtlilblonde31@...> wrote: I am supposed to have

drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is running around half naked.I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21 dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though. If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my job.I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of

hair loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few months now.Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I have explant and lift??> > >> > > > > > > > > I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood here > > is that

> > > everyone is different in their implant related illnesses.... > some > > are sick just > > > from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and > > after removal > > > usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a > > much longer > > > period of time causing many other heath issues that will take > time > > to heal. In > > > my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three surgeries > > due to > > > complications before explanting including a complete rupture in > > 1999. What was > > > found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the > > silicone envelope > > > several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal 30% > > of my shells > > >

were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of > > mold, fungus and > > > 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally > > contaminated with > > > all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my 99 > > rupture... My > > > doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my > > system from the > > > breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc., is > > why I am still > > > sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often. It > > will be 2 > > > years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better - I > > was almost > > > bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was > > happening then. I > > > think that everyone is

different as everyone had different > styles > > and brands of > > > implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some > had > > them for 6 > > > months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill > > from different > > > parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone > > that broke > > > down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me having > > Rheumatoid > > > arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my body > a > > while depending > > > on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold > is > > still in my > > > system to heal.....> > > > > > I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that > they >

> are m> > > aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may get > > completely better > > > right away while some with different types of exposures may take > > more time > > > and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you > ill, > > and I have > > > no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they > > are taken out > > > the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait > > another year or > > > two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out > it > > is then you > > > have exposed your body to two more years of all the toxicity... > > two more > > > year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly > > exposing a child

> > > if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not > think > > it would be > > > worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I know > > the surgery > > > is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in the > > long run you > > > will be doing the right thing.> > > > > > Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!> > > > > > shari> > >> >>

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I would think it all depends on the job you're doing.

A desk job? No problem! . . . Loading luggage? No way!

I started an eight-hour a day AutoCad class five days

after my explant and mastopexy. I can't say I was on

top of things the way I would have been otherwise, but

I found ways to compensate - and I made that class my

only priority for a while.

The thing you may find a problem is concentrating. So,

take your time to be sure you understand your

assignment. Being a new employee may help there since

you will be in your training period. Make notes so you

don't miss anything. The only person who picked up on

my having problems was a psychologist who was taking

the class. He recommended that I read a book on ADD in

adults! LOL! It wasn't just the explant that was

causing THAT problem!

Hugs,

Rogene

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I would think most employers would be very understanding of your position if

you explained it to them, new employee or not. Chances are you are going to

be missing more work from being sick from implants than having explant

surgery. If you aren't very sick yet, you very well could be as time goes

on.

Kenda

> I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

> think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

> off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

> hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

> health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

> the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

> running around half naked.

> I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

> afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

> dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

> If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

> whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

> job.

> I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

> doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

> do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

> loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

> that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

> months now.

> Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

> have explant and lift??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

> here

>>> is that

>>>> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

>> some

>>> are sick just

>>>> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

>>> after removal

>>>> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

>>> much longer

>>>> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

>> time

>>> to heal. In

>>>> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

> surgeries

>>> due to

>>>> complications before explanting including a complete rupture

> in

>>> 1999. What was

>>>> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

>>> silicone envelope

>>>> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

> 30%

>>> of my shells

>>>> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

>>> mold, fungus and

>>>> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

>>> contaminated with

>>>> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

> 99

>>> rupture... My

>>>> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

>>> system from the

>>>> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

> is

>>> why I am still

>>>> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

> It

>>> will be 2

>>>> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

> I

>>> was almost

>>>> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

>>> happening then. I

>>>> think that everyone is different as everyone had different

>> styles

>>> and brands of

>>>> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

>> had

>>> them for 6

>>>> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

>>> from different

>>>> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

>>> that broke

>>>> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

> having

>>> Rheumatoid

>>>> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

> body

>> a

>>> while depending

>>>> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

>> is

>>> still in my

>>>> system to heal.....

>>>>

>>>> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

>> they

>>> are m

>>>> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

> get

>>> completely better

>>>> right away while some with different types of exposures may

> take

>>> more time

>>>> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

>> ill,

>>> and I have

>>>> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

>>> are taken out

>>>> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

>>> another year or

>>>> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

>> it

>>> is then you

>>>> have exposed your body to two more years of all the

> toxicity...

>>> two more

>>>> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

>>> exposing a child

>>>> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

>> think

>>> it would be

>>>> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

> know

>>> the surgery

>>>> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

> the

>>> long run you

>>>> will be doing the right thing.

>>>>

>>>> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

>>>>

>>>> shari

>>>>

>>>

>>

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Kenda,

Sorry to disagree, but employers are often not that

understanding. From my social worker point of view, I have found

that many employers are supportive as long as you are there every day

and working, but get sick or have to take unexpected time off, the

understanding of many goes out the window. I think each of us has to

evaluate our own workplace and get a feel, and I would trust that she

has done that and knows that she would be in danger of losing her

job. Sometimes you have to wait, unfortunately, until the time is

right. In a just world, that would not be the case, but then, would

there be implants in a just world???? I think not!!!!

Lynda

At 11:36 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

>I would think most employers would be very understanding of your position if

>you explained it to them, new employee or not. Chances are you are going to

>be missing more work from being sick from implants than having explant

>surgery. If you aren't very sick yet, you very well could be as time goes

>on.

>

>Kenda

>

>

> > I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

> > think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

> > off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

> > hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

> > health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

> > the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

> > running around half naked.

> > I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

> > afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

> > dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

> > If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

> > whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

> > job.

> > I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

> > doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

> > do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

> > loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

> > that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

> > months now.

> > Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

> > have explant and lift??

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

> > here

> >>> is that

> >>>> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

> >> some

> >>> are sick just

> >>>> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

> >>> after removal

> >>>> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

> >>> much longer

> >>>> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

> >> time

> >>> to heal. In

> >>>> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

> > surgeries

> >>> due to

> >>>> complications before explanting including a complete rupture

> > in

> >>> 1999. What was

> >>>> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

> >>> silicone envelope

> >>>> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

> > 30%

> >>> of my shells

> >>>> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

> >>> mold, fungus and

> >>>> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

> >>> contaminated with

> >>>> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

> > 99

> >>> rupture... My

> >>>> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

> >>> system from the

> >>>> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

> > is

> >>> why I am still

> >>>> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

> > It

> >>> will be 2

> >>>> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

> > I

> >>> was almost

> >>>> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

> >>> happening then. I

> >>>> think that everyone is different as everyone had different

> >> styles

> >>> and brands of

> >>>> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

> >> had

> >>> them for 6

> >>>> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

> >>> from different

> >>>> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

> >>> that broke

> >>>> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

> > having

> >>> Rheumatoid

> >>>> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

> > body

> >> a

> >>> while depending

> >>>> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

> >> is

> >>> still in my

> >>>> system to heal.....

> >>>>

> >>>> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

> >> they

> >>> are m

> >>>> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

> > get

> >>> completely better

> >>>> right away while some with different types of exposures may

> > take

> >>> more time

> >>>> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

> >> ill,

> >>> and I have

> >>>> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

> >>> are taken out

> >>>> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

> >>> another year or

> >>>> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

> >> it

> >>> is then you

> >>>> have exposed your body to two more years of all the

> > toxicity...

> >>> two more

> >>>> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

> >>> exposing a child

> >>>> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

> >> think

> >>> it would be

> >>>> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

> > know

> >>> the surgery

> >>>> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

> > the

> >>> long run you

> >>>> will be doing the right thing.

> >>>>

> >>>> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

> >>>>

> >>>> shari

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >

>

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> >

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Boy, I'm really sorry to hear this, Lynda. I guess I was always lucky with

employers. A shame.

Kenda

> Kenda,

>

> Sorry to disagree, but employers are often not that

> understanding. From my social worker point of view, I have found

> that many employers are supportive as long as you are there every day

> and working, but get sick or have to take unexpected time off, the

> understanding of many goes out the window. I think each of us has to

> evaluate our own workplace and get a feel, and I would trust that she

> has done that and knows that she would be in danger of losing her

> job. Sometimes you have to wait, unfortunately, until the time is

> right. In a just world, that would not be the case, but then, would

> there be implants in a just world???? I think not!!!!

>

> Lynda

>

>

>

> At 11:36 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

>> I would think most employers would be very understanding of your position if

>> you explained it to them, new employee or not. Chances are you are going to

>> be missing more work from being sick from implants than having explant

>> surgery. If you aren't very sick yet, you very well could be as time goes

>> on.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>

>>> I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

>>> think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

>>> off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

>>> hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

>>> health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

>>> the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

>>> running around half naked.

>>> I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

>>> afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

>>> dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

>>> If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

>>> whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

>>> job.

>>> I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

>>> doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

>>> do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

>>> loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

>>> that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

>>> months now.

>>> Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

>>> have explant and lift??

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

>>> here

>>>>> is that

>>>>>> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

>>>> some

>>>>> are sick just

>>>>>> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

>>>>> after removal

>>>>>> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

>>>>> much longer

>>>>>> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

>>>> time

>>>>> to heal. In

>>>>>> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

>>> surgeries

>>>>> due to

>>>>>> complications before explanting including a complete rupture

>>> in

>>>>> 1999. What was

>>>>>> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

>>>>> silicone envelope

>>>>>> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

>>> 30%

>>>>> of my shells

>>>>>> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

>>>>> mold, fungus and

>>>>>> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

>>>>> contaminated with

>>>>>> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

>>> 99

>>>>> rupture... My

>>>>>> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

>>>>> system from the

>>>>>> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

>>> is

>>>>> why I am still

>>>>>> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

>>> It

>>>>> will be 2

>>>>>> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

>>> I

>>>>> was almost

>>>>>> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

>>>>> happening then. I

>>>>>> think that everyone is different as everyone had different

>>>> styles

>>>>> and brands of

>>>>>> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

>>>> had

>>>>> them for 6

>>>>>> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

>>>>> from different

>>>>>> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

>>>>> that broke

>>>>>> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

>>> having

>>>>> Rheumatoid

>>>>>> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

>>> body

>>>> a

>>>>> while depending

>>>>>> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

>>>> is

>>>>> still in my

>>>>>> system to heal.....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

>>>> they

>>>>> are m

>>>>>> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

>>> get

>>>>> completely better

>>>>>> right away while some with different types of exposures may

>>> take

>>>>> more time

>>>>>> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

>>>> ill,

>>>>> and I have

>>>>>> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

>>>>> are taken out

>>>>>> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

>>>>> another year or

>>>>>> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

>>>> it

>>>>> is then you

>>>>>> have exposed your body to two more years of all the

>>> toxicity...

>>>>> two more

>>>>>> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

>>>>> exposing a child

>>>>>> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

>>>> think

>>>>> it would be

>>>>>> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

>>> know

>>>>> the surgery

>>>>>> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

>>> the

>>>>> long run you

>>>>>> will be doing the right thing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> shari

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>> given by licensed

>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>> how to live a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>>

>> <http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.

>> com/action/

>>>

>>>

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Yes, a few are fortunate with employers, but I would not think this

is a rule. Big business is getting tougher and tougher on employees,

and it trickles down to smaller businesses. I don't think the

majority of them are really all that sensitive to personal problems

of employees. I wish it were not so.

Lynda

At 12:20 PM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

>Boy, I'm really sorry to hear this, Lynda. I guess I was always lucky with

>employers. A shame.

>

>Kenda

>

>

> > Kenda,

> >

> > Sorry to disagree, but employers are often not that

> > understanding. From my social worker point of view, I have found

> > that many employers are supportive as long as you are there every day

> > and working, but get sick or have to take unexpected time off, the

> > understanding of many goes out the window. I think each of us has to

> > evaluate our own workplace and get a feel, and I would trust that she

> > has done that and knows that she would be in danger of losing her

> > job. Sometimes you have to wait, unfortunately, until the time is

> > right. In a just world, that would not be the case, but then, would

> > there be implants in a just world???? I think not!!!!

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> >

> >

> > At 11:36 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

> >> I would think most employers would be very understanding of your

> position if

> >> you explained it to them, new employee or not. Chances are you

> are going to

> >> be missing more work from being sick from implants than having explant

> >> surgery. If you aren't very sick yet, you very well could be as time goes

> >> on.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>

> >>> I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

> >>> think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

> >>> off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

> >>> hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

> >>> health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

> >>> the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

> >>> running around half naked.

> >>> I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

> >>> afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

> >>> dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

> >>> If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

> >>> whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

> >>> job.

> >>> I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

> >>> doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

> >>> do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

> >>> loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

> >>> that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

> >>> months now.

> >>> Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

> >>> have explant and lift??

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

> >>> here

> >>>>> is that

> >>>>>> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

> >>>> some

> >>>>> are sick just

> >>>>>> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

> >>>>> after removal

> >>>>>> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

> >>>>> much longer

> >>>>>> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

> >>>> time

> >>>>> to heal. In

> >>>>>> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

> >>> surgeries

> >>>>> due to

> >>>>>> complications before explanting including a complete rupture

> >>> in

> >>>>> 1999. What was

> >>>>>> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

> >>>>> silicone envelope

> >>>>>> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

> >>> 30%

> >>>>> of my shells

> >>>>>> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

> >>>>> mold, fungus and

> >>>>>> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

> >>>>> contaminated with

> >>>>>> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

> >>> 99

> >>>>> rupture... My

> >>>>>> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

> >>>>> system from the

> >>>>>> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

> >>> is

> >>>>> why I am still

> >>>>>> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

> >>> It

> >>>>> will be 2

> >>>>>> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

> >>> I

> >>>>> was almost

> >>>>>> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

> >>>>> happening then. I

> >>>>>> think that everyone is different as everyone had different

> >>>> styles

> >>>>> and brands of

> >>>>>> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

> >>>> had

> >>>>> them for 6

> >>>>>> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

> >>>>> from different

> >>>>>> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

> >>>>> that broke

> >>>>>> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

> >>> having

> >>>>> Rheumatoid

> >>>>>> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

> >>> body

> >>>> a

> >>>>> while depending

> >>>>>> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

> >>>> is

> >>>>> still in my

> >>>>>> system to heal.....

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

> >>>> they

> >>>>> are m

> >>>>>> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

> >>> get

> >>>>> completely better

> >>>>>> right away while some with different types of exposures may

> >>> take

> >>>>> more time

> >>>>>> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

> >>>> ill,

> >>>>> and I have

> >>>>>> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

> >>>>> are taken out

> >>>>>> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

> >>>>> another year or

> >>>>>> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

> >>>> it

> >>>>> is then you

> >>>>>> have exposed your body to two more years of all the

> >>> toxicity...

> >>>>> two more

> >>>>>> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

> >>>>> exposing a child

> >>>>>> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

> >>>> think

> >>>>> it would be

> >>>>>> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

> >>> know

> >>>>> the surgery

> >>>>>> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

> >>> the

> >>>>> long run you

> >>>>>> will be doing the right thing.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> shari

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >> given by licensed

> >>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> >>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >> how to live a

> >>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> >>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >>>

> >>

>

<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/>http://.shutterfly.

> >> com/action/

> >>>

> >>>

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You might find extra time by planning ahead . . . Can

you find a time when you can combine a holiday weekend

with your surgery? Easter perhaps? . . . If you're

working for a government agency or bank, you may have

more holidays . . . some companies have a liberal

time-off policy where you can put in extra hours in

advance of taking time off. One friend gets 1 1/2 days

off per month worked, starting right after employment.

I'd suggest looking ahead and scheduling surgery in

conjunction with whatever time you can get off to pad

your recovery time. You'll have a better idea about

company policies, personalities after being there a

little while.

Hugs,

Rogene

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This is so upsetting to me, it's been 16 years since I have worked, sounds

like things have either hanged or I had really great employers.

Kenda

> Yes, a few are fortunate with employers, but I would not think this

> is a rule. Big business is getting tougher and tougher on employees,

> and it trickles down to smaller businesses. I don't think the

> majority of them are really all that sensitive to personal problems

> of employees. I wish it were not so.

>

> Lynda

>

>

>

> At 12:20 PM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

>> Boy, I'm really sorry to hear this, Lynda. I guess I was always lucky with

>> employers. A shame.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>

>>> Kenda,

>>>

>>> Sorry to disagree, but employers are often not that

>>> understanding. From my social worker point of view, I have found

>>> that many employers are supportive as long as you are there every day

>>> and working, but get sick or have to take unexpected time off, the

>>> understanding of many goes out the window. I think each of us has to

>>> evaluate our own workplace and get a feel, and I would trust that she

>>> has done that and knows that she would be in danger of losing her

>>> job. Sometimes you have to wait, unfortunately, until the time is

>>> right. In a just world, that would not be the case, but then, would

>>> there be implants in a just world???? I think not!!!!

>>>

>>> Lynda

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> At 11:36 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:

>>>> I would think most employers would be very understanding of your

>> position if

>>>> you explained it to them, new employee or not. Chances are you

>> are going to

>>>> be missing more work from being sick from implants than having explant

>>>> surgery. If you aren't very sick yet, you very well could be as time goes

>>>> on.

>>>>

>>>> Kenda

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> I am supposed to have drains when I have explant because Dr Kolb

>>>>> think I need a lift due to my large implants. I can't afford to take

>>>>> off two week from work, I litterally just started the job, I was

>>>>> hoping I could wait until closer to fall to have them removed but my

>>>>> health can't afford that. I also hate the thought of going through

>>>>> the summer here in Georgia dealing with explant while everyone is

>>>>> running around half naked.

>>>>> I may not have a choice but to wait though because I just can't

>>>>> afford to lose this job. It is full time and I will make 17 to 21

>>>>> dollars an hour depending of my commission, no less then 17 though.

>>>>> If I could just take a week off that might be doable but not two

>>>>> whole weeks there is no way they would allow that and let me keep my

>>>>> job.

>>>>> I have an amazing tolerance for pain, so I am more worried about

>>>>> doing damage to the healing process then I am anything else. Also I

>>>>> do not have many health issues with implants mainly lots of hair

>>>>> loss and sometimes I get nightsweats or will feel a bit tired but

>>>>> that is not al the time in fact I haven't had that happen for a few

>>>>> months now.

>>>>> Does anyone think it is possible to be back to work in a week if I

>>>>> have explant and lift??

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I can understand your concerns.... What must be understood

>>>>> here

>>>>>>> is that

>>>>>>>> everyone is different in their implant related illnesses....

>>>>>> some

>>>>>>> are sick just

>>>>>>>> from the exposure to the silicone shell - get sick quickly and

>>>>>>> after removal

>>>>>>>> usually do very well. Some of us had their implants in for a

>>>>>>> much longer

>>>>>>>> period of time causing many other heath issues that will take

>>>>>> time

>>>>>>> to heal. In

>>>>>>>> my case I had my implants in for 7 years... had three

>>>>> surgeries

>>>>>>> due to

>>>>>>>> complications before explanting including a complete rupture

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> 1999. What was

>>>>>>>> found with me is that not only did I have a reaction to the

>>>>>>> silicone envelope

>>>>>>>> several years in as the shells deteriorated and upon removal

>>>>> 30%

>>>>>>> of my shells

>>>>>>>> were missing completely. Mine were also found to be FULL of

>>>>>>> mold, fungus and

>>>>>>>> 12 different living organisms - one was black... totally

>>>>>>> contaminated with

>>>>>>>> all that crap which in turn started to make me ill after my

>>>>> 99

>>>>>>> rupture... My

>>>>>>>> doc believes that the chunks of silicone shell left inside my

>>>>>>> system from the

>>>>>>>> breakdown as well as all of the exposure to the mold, etc.,

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> why I am still

>>>>>>>> sick.... it weakened my immune system and I get sick often.

>>>>> It

>>>>>>> will be 2

>>>>>>>> years in April since I explanted and I do feel much better -

>>>>> I

>>>>>>> was almost

>>>>>>>> bedridden. I still have bad days but no where near what was

>>>>>>> happening then. I

>>>>>>>> think that everyone is different as everyone had different

>>>>>> styles

>>>>>>> and brands of

>>>>>>>> implants - different sizes, some ruptured some didn't... some

>>>>>> had

>>>>>>> them for 6

>>>>>>>> months and some here for 20 years.... we have all become ill

>>>>>>> from different

>>>>>>>> parts of our implant nightmares. My exposure to the silicone

>>>>>>> that broke

>>>>>>>> down and got into my blood stream has been linked to me

>>>>> having

>>>>>>> Rheumatoid

>>>>>>>> arthritis and Fibromyalgia... My doc said it will take my

>>>>> body

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> while depending

>>>>>>>> on how much of the silicone pieces are left and how much mold

>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> still in my

>>>>>>>> system to heal.....

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I guess what I am trying to say is that we know for sure that

>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> are m

>>>>>>>> aking us ill.... people with implants for only 2 months may

>>>>> get

>>>>>>> completely better

>>>>>>>> right away while some with different types of exposures may

>>>>> take

>>>>>>> more time

>>>>>>>> and efforts... The fact is - if your implants are making you

>>>>>> ill,

>>>>>>> and I have

>>>>>>>> no doubt that they are and/or eventually will, the sooner they

>>>>>>> are taken out

>>>>>>>> the sooner you will get better - that is a fact. If you wait

>>>>>>> another year or

>>>>>>>> two thinking that maybe it isn't your implants, then find out

>>>>>> it

>>>>>>> is then you

>>>>>>>> have exposed your body to two more years of all the

>>>>> toxicity...

>>>>>>> two more

>>>>>>>> year of mold and bacteria build up that may leak... possibly

>>>>>>> exposing a child

>>>>>>>> if you plan on any (not sure what your age is) I just do not

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>>>>>>>> worth the risk. I have been there and done all of that. I

>>>>> know

>>>>>>> the surgery

>>>>>>>> is expensive and the whole self image thing is tough but in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> long run you

>>>>>>>> will be doing the right thing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Just my two cents.... good luck in whatever decision you make!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> shari

>>>>>>>>

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