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In California nursing and pharmacy programs, they don't mess around with

the cheaper, immunoassay test. They are testing for so much stuff, they

do GC/MS with every test. And why would they worry about expense? You

and I are footing the bill! Carte blanche.

> > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any

> > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am

> > > currently not being tested while waiting for

> > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe

> > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and

> > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the

> > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is

> > > any body recently tested positive? I hope

> > > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I

> > > dread being tested again, since I never

> > > had more then a month without a positive. I am still

> > > paranoid about using products, even

> > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering

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I didn't know that they did that on etg samples. Does

compassvison use this?

--- Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote:

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> GC/MS is 'gas chromatography mass spectrometry'. It

> is the

> method/machine they use for identifying and

> measuring the EtG

> concentration in a particular medium. The

> immunoassay EtG test is much

> cheaper but, because these types of tests yield

> false positives, they

> are used as screening tests and they must be

> CONFIRMED using GC/MS,

> which looks at the actual molecule (and therefore

> doesn't yield false

> positives).

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> > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any

> > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I

> am

> > > currently not being tested while waiting for

> > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly

> believe

> > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and

> > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the

> > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know.

> Is

> > > any body recently tested positive? I hope

> > > nobody has, I wish this test would just

> disappear. I

> > > dread being tested again, since I never

> > > had more then a month without a positive. I am

> still

> > > paranoid about using products, even

> > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering

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It stands for Gas Chrono(something) M(something) Spectrography -- I have it written down somewhere, I'll dig it out and find it for you. It breaks it down to the molecular level. I contested the validity of the EtG test. Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: What is a GCMS, are you sure it was etg or etoh?--- Conlan <christopherconlan >wrote:> I tested

positive a month ago in Family Drug Court. > It was false. They did a GCMS test and that showed> that it was a false positive, that's what they did> here in Arizona, don't know what they do in> California, but I'm pretty sure it involves giving> half your stuff to whoever was the last person you> spoke to in a bar, sort of like the divorce laws> there!> > Chris> > jhartman32001 <jhartman32001 > wrote:> I have noticed that there hasn't been any> recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > currently not being tested while waiting for> enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > my positives are related to liver metabolism and> tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is> any body recently tested

positive? I hope > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I> dread being tested again, since I never > had more then a month without a positive. I am still> paranoid about using products, even > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Access over 1 million songs - MusicUnlimited.__________________________________________________________Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now.

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hi lorie,if there are more actual EtG molecules from false positive GCMS will still yield false positive ETG.GCMS simply excludes false positive due to instrument analysis error...picky picky picky i know...regards,r Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote: GC/MS is 'gas chromatography mass spectrometry'. It is themethod/machine they use for identifying and measuring the EtGconcentration in a particular medium. The immunoassay EtG test is muchcheaper but, because these

types of tests yield false positives, theyare used as screening tests and they must be CONFIRMED using GC/MS,which looks at the actual molecule (and therefore doesn't yield falsepositives).> > I have noticed that there hasn't been any> > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am> > currently not being tested while waiting for> > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe> > my positives are related to liver metabolism and> > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the> > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is> > any body recently tested positive? I hope> > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I> > dread being tested again, since I never> > had more then a month without a positive. I am still> > paranoid about using products, even> > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> > > >> >> >> >> >>

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Not sure what you're saying, Robin. Maybe my post came across as saying

that there are no 'false positives' with GC/MS. Technically, there

aren't--The molecule is actually there. It is a 'false positive' for

relapse (if, indeed, an alcoholic beverage was not consumed and the EtOH

was ingested/absorbed/inhaled unknowingly or unintentionally). Is that

what you were getting at?

> > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any

> > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am

> > > currently not being tested while waiting for

> > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe

> > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and

> > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the

> > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is

> > > any body recently tested positive? I hope

> > > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I

> > > dread being tested again, since I never

> > > had more then a month without a positive. I am still

> > > paranoid about using products, even

> > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering

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> I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people with

false positve etg. I am

> currently not being tested while waiting for enforcement/probation in

ca. I still truly believe

> my positives are related to liver metabolism and tylenol/seroquel/any

meds effecting the

> liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body recently

tested positive? I hope

> nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being

tested again, since I never

> had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid about

using products, even

> though I am not being tested. Just wondering

>

>

Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested positive in

Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still can't

figure out what it's from. They said I was in violation of probation and

am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to eat,

breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane

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Diane, did they impose treatment based ONLY on those positive Etg levels? When did they make you go to treatment? Certainly at those levels there should not have been a 'no-questions asked' attitude of action...esp after the SAMHSA advisory came out. Just trying to get a take on what is happening and if the advisory has changed things. Thanks, doetta5555 <doetta5555@...> wrote: >> I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > currently not being tested while waiting for enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > my positives are related to liver metabolism and tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body recently tested positive? I hope > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being tested again, since I never > had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid about using products, even > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> >Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested positive in Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still can't figure out what it's from. They said I was in

violation of probation and am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to eat, breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane

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Yes, , it was recommended by my probation monitor to enter

treatment. I met with her on Nov. 29th and began treatment Dec. 6th.

It is on my contract that I had to enter a place by Dec. 15th. She

hasn't mentioned anything about the SAMHSA report. She just said the

board wants it less than 500 and that was that. I still need to speak

to the MRO for Compass Vision. I was on Toradol IM and looked on the

label and saw it has 10% alcohol in it. Does anyone think that is the

culprit? I called the place that makes toradol but they didn't think

it would interfere with any testing. I had mu Dr. change the med to

pill form so we'll see if that changes anything. I hope I am posting

this correctly. Thanks for listening. Diane

> >

> > I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people

with

> false positve etg. I am

> > currently not being tested while waiting for

enforcement/probation in

> ca. I still truly believe

> > my positives are related to liver metabolism and

tylenol/seroquel/any

> meds effecting the

> > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body

recently

> tested positive? I hope

> > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being

> tested again, since I never

> > had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid

about

> using products, even

> > though I am not being tested. Just wondering

> >

> >

> Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested

positive in

> Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still

can't

> figure out what it's from. They said I was in violation of

probation and

> am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to

eat,

> breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane

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Consider reading Shore's book, " Beyond the Wall " . He's on the spectrum

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In a message dated 5/15/07 1:40:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

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> I'm sorry to bother people with this, but I'm 15 and I wanted to know

> whether or not if it is wrong in morals to be in love with someone with

> autism when you're not.

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So sorry to take so long to respond to your email. There is nothing immoral

about loving someone with autism. Although it is a different kind of love,

every parent on this list loves someone dearly with autism. And people with

autism want love and companionship. Now they have biological issues that make

it

hard for them to be in that type of relationship...for some they have sensory

issues and can be physically uncomforatable with physical affection. This

won't mean they don't crave it...it just means they have a hard time tolerating

it. Think of someone who has broken their foot but loves to play football.

They can't tolerate being on that foot, but it doesn't mean they don't want to

play football. So it can get confusing. Some don't have those physical

issues but they do have other issues such as it being so much work for them to

communicate that it just exhausts them. It isn't that they don't want friends

or

boyfriends or girlfriends...it's just exhausting. I mentioned just 2 of the

problems but other parents are probably like me and are just praying that

someone will love them dispite their challenges.

One reason you may be having a hard time with this is because you worry how

others will feel about it. I am 44 years old and just now getting past

worrying how others will perceive me or look at me. Peer pressure is a powerful

thing. But I'm learning to be true to myself and I know life will be MUCH

better

when I do. So the answer to your question is NO it is not morally wrong to

love someone with autism any more than it would be wrong to love someone in a

wheelchair or someone who is blind. they are people who need love but they have

challenges.

My advise to you is two fold. First, if you want to have a relationship with

this person, you need to learn everything about autism that you can first.

Study hard. It will not only help you to understand this other person better,

but you can help others understand as well. It will prevent a lot of

difficulties that could be avoided by getting that education. I can not

emphasize

this enough.

Secondly, I hope you are are Christian because God promises to teach and

guide us when we seek Him. He can help you through this. First and foremost

you

must be obedient to the Lord and He will put the pieces of your life together

as He knows is best. God has no " grandchildren " , only children. My point is,

that you are nearing adulthood and once you are an adult, this is who is to

be your guide for the rest of our lives anyway. Our parents are supposed to

raise us and point us toward our true father who takes over where they leave

off. He will protect you, teach you, etc. when you seek Him with all your

heart.

This doesn't mean that when you become an adult, that you don't respect your

parents...but it does mean that you do follow God first and foremost above

all. He will arrange your relationships for you. You never want to go anywhere

the Lord knows is wrong for you. That may be with this young man or it may

not be...I have no idea. So for now, while still under your parents rule,

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In a message dated 7/24/2007 6:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,

wanda85929@... writes:

With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear

insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with

this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So

are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not

have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have

mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while

insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation.

Gail

I do not have amalgam fillings but do have lots of problems with ears

oozing, swelling internally to

where the canal is almost shut, my teeth won't shut in the back due to

swelling in jaws, (I dislike this the most) large bumps and sores behind ears,

in

front of ears, down side of face and neck. there are

times I feel lousy like I have the flu and have a temp.

For the above reasons, there are times when ear insufflations are seconds

....not minutes.

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> With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear

> insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with

> this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it.

Not in my case... I only had one filling (yes, it was an amalgam), got

it when I was in the Coast Guard back in the early eighties... then had

it replaced with a composite about 15 years ago. The dentists that did

it seemed very competent, but this was pretty early in the learning

process about these things (at least for me)...

She did do muscle testing, and I was actually very surprised at how

differently my muscles reacted to the different materials on the tray

(about 50 of them) - although kinesiology has always been suspect in my

mind, due to its nature - too much room for mental influence to play a

part - both intentional and unintentional (on the parts of both tester

and testee)...

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Hi Gail,

People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven’t done enough:-)

This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not released

your toxins yet, for what ever reason… embrace your healing, stop trying to

run from it.

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oxyplus

Subject: Wondering

With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear

insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with

this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So

are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not

have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have

mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while

insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation.

Gail

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Sherri-Lee,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I did/do get discharge when doing ear insufflating. The problem I

had was doing too much too fast.

I realize we have to go through the detoxing, but I also think one

has to go at their own pace rather than trying to go at a pace others

think they should go at.

I've also notice when I do other forms of ozone the same day I do ear

insufflating, I get way more discharge. Stands to reason as you

would have more ozone in your body as a whole.

The other day I did 1/2 hour vaginal insufflating, followed by 2

minutes ear insufflating in each ear, and then that evening did a 30

minute sauna. My ears drained, and drained, and drained, and

drained.

I want to concentrate more on ear insufflating because I have so much

brain fog so often. Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on

the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total

of 15 minutes insufflating), I'm determined to concentrate on my

ears/head. And if I'm still having a lot of trouble when I reach the

15 month mark, I will withdraw from that program and enroll in

the 'however long it takes' program.

I think I have underestimated ear insufflating. I'd been

concentrating more on saunas and vaginal insufflating that I'd

neglected my ears. Probably got a lot going on in my head that needs

to be addressed.

Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a

discharge from their ears when insufflating?

Gail

-- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman <s-lp@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Gail,

>

>

>

> People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-)

>

>

>

> This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not

released

> your toxins yet, for what ever reason… embrace your healing, stop

trying to

> run from it.

>

>

>

> Sherri-Lee

>

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> From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On

Behalf Of

> wanda85929

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:59 PM

> oxyplus

> Subject: Wondering

>

>

>

> With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear

> insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems

with

> this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it.

So

> are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do

not

> have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have

> mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while

> insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation.

>

> Gail

>

>

>

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Gail,

I am saying that you are always sounding like you are trying to avoid the

discomfort of healing and I am encouraging you to endure it anyway, because

of the rewards at the end.

Having now seen how much other ozone you are doing I am not surprised at

your reactions. When I was doing a lot of ozone, the worst reaction always

came out from the most tender and loaded place, for me the ears. Easy to

dump out of and very loaded with candida and very tender. I would suggest

not doing your ears on the same day as a sauna and doing more time.

I doubt at the end of 15 months on your plan that you would have achieved

real healing and you will still have to tough it through the discomfort

anyway only it will be 15 months from now. I hope I am wrong, but my

experience doesn't support that.

That's all:-)

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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:49 PM

oxyplus

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Sherri-Lee,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I did/do get discharge when doing ear insufflating. The problem I

had was doing too much too fast.

I realize we have to go through the detoxing, but I also think one

has to go at their own pace rather than trying to go at a pace others

think they should go at.

I've also notice when I do other forms of ozone the same day I do ear

insufflating, I get way more discharge. Stands to reason as you

would have more ozone in your body as a whole.

The other day I did 1/2 hour vaginal insufflating, followed by 2

minutes ear insufflating in each ear, and then that evening did a 30

minute sauna. My ears drained, and drained, and drained, and

drained.

I want to concentrate more on ear insufflating because I have so much

brain fog so often. Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on

the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total

of 15 minutes insufflating), I'm determined to concentrate on my

ears/head. And if I'm still having a lot of trouble when I reach the

15 month mark, I will withdraw from that program and enroll in

the 'however long it takes' program.

I think I have underestimated ear insufflating. I'd been

concentrating more on saunas and vaginal insufflating that I'd

neglected my ears. Probably got a lot going on in my head that needs

to be addressed.

Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a

discharge from their ears when insufflating?

Gail

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Sherri-Lee Pressman <s-lp@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Gail,

>

>

>

> People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-)

>

>

>

> This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not

released

> your toxins yet, for what ever reason. embrace your healing, stop

trying to

> run from it.

>

>

>

> Sherri-Lee

>

> Usborne Books Consultant

>

> _____

>

> From: oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com

[mailto:oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com] On

Behalf Of

> wanda85929

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:59 PM

> oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com

> Subject: Wondering

>

>

>

> With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear

> insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems

with

> this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it.

So

> are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do

not

> have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have

> mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while

> insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation.

>

> Gail

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Honestly, Gail. I do not think so. My reasoning is that as much as we crank up

and become more cognizant of our daily pollutants via food ingested,

environment, cosmetic substances such as shampoos, lotions, etc. we cannot avoid

them altogether. Doing so would be tanamount to livng in a bubble which none

of us do. I do believe that as long as the body harbors these contaigens, the

body when exposed to Ozone will release them. Also, the longer we avoid,

postpone or minimize the purging, the more it will build and the worse the

outcome will be as when we readdress the process.

It will, imho, always be a work in progress.

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote:

Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a

discharge from their ears when insufflating?

Gail

-- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman wrote:

>

> Hi Gail,

>

>

>

> People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-)

>

>

>

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> Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on

> the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total

> of 15 minutes insufflating),

Just a thought - it might be easier transitioning if you increased it by

15 seconds each week, instead of a full minute each months...

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> Just a thought - it might be easier transitioning if you increased

it by

> 15 seconds each week, instead of a full minute each months...

>

Good idea, . Thank you for suggesting it.

What I am actually doing this time around it simply really, really

listening to my body in order to go at it's individual pace.

When I first started ear insufflating, I did exactly what you did.

Started at 15 minutes 3 times a day. Did not have any reaction until

about 2-3 weeks, and then you know the story, I'm sure. I regret I

didn't get more informed before starting and that I ended up quiting

altogether. It's taking quite a while to get over the scare of it.

Everything swelling shut was the scariest for me.

The 1 minute increase monthly is just a time frame I'm giving myself

to allow myself a tolerable rate to detox. It's not set in stone,

tho, and is actually going faster than I thought it would. As of

today, I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been

about 5 weeks. It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the

oozing slows down, I simply increase a little to start it up again

and so on, always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is

going on.

Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin E

daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually

started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really pleasant

for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that

often comes with insufflating is not bad at all.

I'm so anxious to get my brain back, and hope this will contribute to

that. It does seem to be waking it up some.

Oh, also, thank you and Edith for responding to my amalgan question.

I thought that might cause a need for more detoxing, but since the

two of you also had severe reaction insufflating and don't have

amalgan fillings that tells me the reactions is other forms of toxins

in the head being detoxed.

Gail

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Hi, Replies below. gail

-- In oxyplus , Simon Jester <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

>

> > I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been

> > about 5 weeks.

>

> Are you doing them both simultaneously? And are you doing them 3 x

per day?

*** No, & only once a day. 2 1/2 minutes in one ear, and then 2 1/2

in the other.

>

> > It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the oozing slows

> > down, I simply increase a little to start it up again and so on,

> > always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is going on.

>

> What have you found is the biggest tell-tale sign that you need to

slow

> down?

*** Well, like I said in another post, the first time I started ear

insufflating I did way too much too soon. There was the usual itch,

redness, drainage, but it was the swelling that really scared me

because everything closed up, ears, eyes, & throat, so I'd have to

say the swelling, for me, is the biggest tell-tale. And the way I

decide when it is time to increase is because the drainage slows way

down to almost a stop, so I increase the length of insufflating by 30

seconds. However, I might even decrease that to only 15 seconds and

simply observe the effect it has on me.

>

> > Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin

E

> > daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually

> > started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really

pleasant

> > for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that

> > often comes with insufflating is not bad at all.

>

> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your

protocol. <snip>

*** I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really

bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am

careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For

me it's a problem.

> - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out

*** I am soooooooo excited about what I am learning about pacing

myself. Let me explain. While watching Ohpra, she will often have

her personal trainer (the one that helped her lose weight), and also

her favorite cardiologist on the show. What the cardiologist said

about weight loss is, 'most people feel like they have to go on an

intense diet in order to lose weight, but really all one has to do is

decrease their daily caloric intake by 100 calories, and the weight

will start to come off.' 100 calories is simple an apple or a piece

of whole wheat bread, nothing big at all. And the weight trainer

said, 'the bottom line is you have to have more going out than coming

in calorie wise.'

*** I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! It's

the same thing, so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all

you really have to do is make sure more is going out than coming in,

and it doesn't even have to be that much more. By that I really mean

just a steady amount that will not overwhelm you, while all the time

making sure more is going out than whatever you are exposed to is

going it, but it does take patience!

*** I also realize everybody's personalities are different. Mine was

always the kind that just jumps in; sink or swim, and I to be healed

now! <chuckle> That just seems to be human nature because most

people want things done now. That was the mistake I made when I

approached ozone. I thought a sauna would do it all, and I jumped in

without doing any cleansing, etc. Same with the ear insufflating.

*** I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it,

or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but

something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes

daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), no matter how long

it takes, and then to just keep doing it. My brain is getting

better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do all I can to keep it.

*** Please keep up posted on your progress.

Gail

while lessening the

> oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated

clay

> (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on

the

> outside of my ears.

>

> I'll post back once I have started to let everyone know if this

works...

>

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-- In oxyplus , Simon Jester <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

>

> > I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been

> > about 5 weeks.

>

> Are you doing them both simultaneously? And are you doing them 3 x

per day?

*** No, & only once a day. 2 1/2 minutes in one ear, and then 2 1/2

in the other.

>

> > It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the oozing slows

> > down, I simply increase a little to start it up again and so on,

> > always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is going on.

>

> What have you found is the biggest tell-tale sign that you need to

slow

> down?

*** Well, like I said in another post, the first time I started ear

insufflating I did way too much too soon. There was the usual itch,

redness, drainage, but it was the swelling that really scared me

because everything closed up, ears, eyes, & throat, so I'd have to

say the swelling, for me, is the biggest tell-tale. And the way I

decide when it is time to increase is because the drainage slows way

down to almost a stop, so I increase the length of insufflating by 30

seconds. However, I might even decrease that to only 15 seconds and

simply observe the effect it has on me.

>

> > Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin

E

> > daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually

> > started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really

pleasant

> > for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that

> > often comes with insufflating is not bad at all.

>

> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your

protocol. <snip>

*** I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really

bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am

careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For

me it's a problem.

> - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out

*** I am soooooooo excited about what I am learning about pacing

myself. Let me explain. While watching Ohpra, she will often have

her personal trainer (the one that helped her lose weight), and also

her favorite cardiologist on the show. What the cardiologist said

about weight loss is, 'most people feel like they have to go on an

intense diet in order to lose weight, but really all one has to do is

decrease their daily caloric intake by 100 calories, and the weight

will start to come off.' 100 calories is simple an apple or a piece

of whole wheat bread, nothing big at all. And the weight trainer

said, 'the bottom line is you have to have more going out than coming

in calorie wise.'

*** I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! It's

the same thing, so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all

you really have to do is make sure more is going out than coming in,

and it doesn't even have to be that much more. By that I really mean

just a steady amount that will not overwhelm you, while all the time

making sure more is going out than whatever you are exposed to is

going it, but it does take patience!

*** I also realize everybody's personalities are different. Mine was

always the kind that just jumps in; sink or swim, and I to be healed

now! <chuckle> That just seems to be human nature because most

people want things done now. That was the mistake I made when I

approached ozone. I thought a sauna would do it all, and I jumped in

without doing any cleansing, etc. Same with the ear insufflating.

*** I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it,

or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but

something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes

daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), no matter how long

it takes, and then to just keep doing it. My brain is getting

better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do all I can to keep it.

*** Please keep up posted on your progress.

Gail

while lessening the

> oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated

clay

> (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on

the

> outside of my ears.

>

> I'll post back once I have started to let everyone know if this

works...

>

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> will be experimenting with using clay water (hydrated clay, with lots of

> extra water) in the ears - I'm just going to fill the ear opening up and

> let it sit there for 10 or 15 minutes (adjusting the time if necessary)

> - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out while lessening the

> oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated clay

> (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on the

> outside of my ears.

*********************

I hope someone can correct me if I'm " all wet " , but the thought of leaving ANY

watery solution in ears is making me very nervous.

Oil, yes

H2O2, yes

I love clay, and applaud your idea of using it around your head and ears.

But water can be very difficult to thoroughly remove/dry from the ears, thus

leaving a real happy hunting ground for fungi.

I'm willing to learn if the fact that the clay is in the water will mitigate

this effect. Until I'm convinced, though, you couldn't pay me to put water in my

ears.

I've had (and may still have, on occasion), " fungal ears " .

That condition led me to getting a Plasmafire from Saul in the first place.

Ok, knowledgeable ones----fire away!

Sharon

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>> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your

>> protocol.

<snip>

> I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really

> bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am

> careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For

> me it's a problem.

Weird - and interesting...

I wonder if charcoal can temporarily pull calcium from the blood? This

would definitely cause the cramps, especially if you are already low...

Do you ever have problems with them (charlie-horses) otherwise?

> And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have

> more going out than coming in calorie wise.'

Bingo... the cardiologist was also right, but *only* if you were eating

*less* than one hundred calories *more* than were being consumed by

daily activity.

Anyone interested in weight loss might find the idea of 'Negative

Calorie Foods' interesting. It is simply foods that (supposedly) require

more energy for their digestion than they provide to the body when

digested... increasing the quantity of these kinds of foods should, in

theory, help to change the ratio to one favorable to losing weight...

There are actually people selling this information, but here's a site

that lists them for free:

http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/negative-calorie-foods.html

Of course, everyone's metabolism is different, and I'm guessing that

this isn't quite the weight loss miracle that it is touted to be, but it

is still interesting...

> I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing!

Of course it can... :)

What you are doing - keeping the uncomfortable detox symptoms/reactions

to just below the intolerable level - is fine, as long as you aren't

being too 'wimpy' about what constitutes 'intolerable'... ;) and no, I'm

not saying you are... :)

> so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have

> to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't

> even have to be that much more.

Of course - but at the same time, there is no reason to stretch the

process out for longer than is necessary, is there?

And if there is a way to *reduce* the detox symptoms, thereby

*increasing* the amount of junk coming out - why on earth would you

*not* want to do that?

> I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it,

> or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but

> something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes

> daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily),

If you're loving it, why not? ;)

> My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do

> all I can to keep it.

Well, you sure are inspiring me... I got my new FIR/ozone sauna set up

this weekend, and think my mindset is almost to the point of getting

started... don't ask - I'm weird - I have to prepare myself mentally and

emotionally before starting this stuff.

I'm also going to add in the SomaLife GHP, and the neuro-ceuticals.

> Please keep us posted on your progress.

I certainly will... I really hope the clay/charcoal stuff will help with

the symptoms.

My plan is to start right in at 15 mins 2x per day (I no longer live

close enough to work to go home for lunch), only because I want to

really test the effectiveness of the clay/charcoal at reducing these

symptoms.

I'll be drinking the clay/charcoal slurries at least 4 or 5 times per

day from the beginning.

I'll start applying the clay topically at night when I first start to

notice the rash/weeping starting up (guess I'll have to get my wife to

make me some kind of pillow prtector).

When the rash/weeping starts, I'll also begin using the

clay-charcoal-water inside the ear canal - 15 minutes in the morning,

after that session, 15 minutes after lunch, and 15-30 minutes after my

evening session - to see if it will control it, or at least keep it at a

tolerable level while doing the full 15 minutes.

If it doesn't, then I'll back off, stop ear insufflation until the

weeping is almost gone, then start at 1 min 2x day and increase by 1

minute each week until the reactions kick in (to more quickly find my

current manageable tolerance level), and then back off again, and then

start increasing by 15 seconds each week and just resign myself to

having to do it more slowly...

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>> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your

>> protocol.

<snip>

> I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really

> bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am

> careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For

> me it's a problem.

Weird - and interesting...

I wonder if charcoal can temporarily pull calcium from the blood? This

would definitely cause the cramps, especially if you are already low...

Do you ever have problems with them (charlie-horses) otherwise?

> And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have

> more going out than coming in calorie wise.'

Bingo... the cardiologist was also right, but *only* if you were eating

*less* than one hundred calories *more* than were being consumed by

daily activity.

Anyone interested in weight loss might find the idea of 'Negative

Calorie Foods' interesting. It is simply foods that (supposedly) require

more energy for their digestion than they provide to the body when

digested... increasing the quantity of these kinds of foods should, in

theory, help to change the ratio to one favorable to losing weight...

There are actually people selling this information, but here's a site

that lists them for free:

http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/negative-calorie-foods.html

Of course, everyone's metabolism is different, and I'm guessing that

this isn't quite the weight loss miracle that it is touted to be, but it

is still interesting...

> I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing!

Of course it can... :)

What you are doing - keeping the uncomfortable detox symptoms/reactions

to just below the intolerable level - is fine, as long as you aren't

being too 'wimpy' about what constitutes 'intolerable'... ;) and no, I'm

not saying you are... :)

> so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have

> to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't

> even have to be that much more.

Of course - but at the same time, there is no reason to stretch the

process out for longer than is necessary, is there?

And if there is a way to *reduce* the detox symptoms, thereby

*increasing* the amount of junk coming out - why on earth would you

*not* want to do that?

> I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it,

> or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but

> something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes

> daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily),

If you're loving it, why not? ;)

> My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do

> all I can to keep it.

Well, you sure are inspiring me... I got my new FIR/ozone sauna set up

this weekend, and think my mindset is almost to the point of getting

started... don't ask - I'm weird - I have to prepare myself mentally and

emotionally before starting this stuff.

I'm also going to add in the SomaLife GHP, and the neuro-ceuticals.

> Please keep us posted on your progress.

I certainly will... I really hope the clay/charcoal stuff will help with

the symptoms.

My plan is to start right in at 15 mins 2x per day (I no longer live

close enough to work to go home for lunch), only because I want to

really test the effectiveness of the clay/charcoal at reducing these

symptoms.

I'll be drinking the clay/charcoal slurries at least 4 or 5 times per

day from the beginning.

I'll start applying the clay topically at night when I first start to

notice the rash/weeping starting up (guess I'll have to get my wife to

make me some kind of pillow prtector).

When the rash/weeping starts, I'll also begin using the

clay-charcoal-water inside the ear canal - 15 minutes in the morning,

after that session, 15 minutes after lunch, and 15-30 minutes after my

evening session - to see if it will control it, or at least keep it at a

tolerable level while doing the full 15 minutes.

If it doesn't, then I'll back off, stop ear insufflation until the

weeping is almost gone, then start at 1 min 2x day and increase by 1

minute each week until the reactions kick in (to more quickly find my

current manageable tolerance level), and then back off again, and then

start increasing by 15 seconds each week and just resign myself to

having to do it more slowly...

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>> I will be experimenting with using clay water (hydrated clay, with

>> lots of extra water) in the ears - I'm just going to fill the ear

>> opening up and let it sit there for 10 or 15 minutes (adjusting the

>> time if necessary) - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out

>> while lessening the oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be

>> applying thick hydrated clay (like a facial mask) to the outside of

>> my head and around and on the outside of my ears.

> I hope someone can correct me if I'm " all wet " , but the thought of

> leaving ANY watery solution in ears is making me very nervous. Oil,

> yes H2O2, yes

What do you think is in the other 97% of 3% H2O2? ;)

> I love clay, and applaud your idea of using it around your head and

> ears.

>

> But water can be very difficult to thoroughly remove/dry from the

> ears, thus leaving a real happy hunting ground for fungi.

I understand your trepidation... but this is an experiment.

I'm also concerned about the drying effect the clay may have...

> I'm willing to learn if the fact that the clay is in the water will

> mitigate this effect. Until I'm convinced, though, you couldn't pay

> me to put water in my ears.

Did you think I was recommending that anyone else try this? Certainly I

didn't say anything that could be misconstrued that way?

> I've had (and may still have, on occasion), " fungal ears " . That

> condition led me to getting a Plasmafire from Saul in the first

> place.

I'll find out soon enough... I'm really hoping that just drinking lots

of it will do most of the work - and maybe I'll just have to apply the

clay topically at night - I think I'll modify my plan to not do the

clay-charcoal-water *inside* the ear canal unless/until the topical

application fails. I'll apply it topically all over the outside of the

ears, and inside the outer ear opening.

The main thing I want to do is eliminate the obvious, ugly/nasty looking

rash/scabbing. I can tolerate pretty much anything else, as long as

other people don't have to see what looks like gangrenous lumps on the

side of my head... ;)

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