Re: More questions on oxygen supply

[Guest guest]

Dear Gail,

If you are doing calculations, then you must take into consideration

the cost of running around in your car for the next ten years getting your

tank filled up, in addition to the actual cost of the fill.

And there is the consideration of your time in doing that running around.

And consider that a full tank of oxygen in a car is a bomb if you are rear

ended. (The pictures of these accidents are incredible!)

And consider that probably half of all the people using tanks have left it

on

overnight and lost a tankful at least once.

And consider that all your friends and relatives will want to come and have

treatments, which means a lot more oxygen used.

And consider that some welding supply shops are being forced by FDA to

ask for valid welders' certificates before they can legally sell you oxygen.

So, it is not just a simple dollar comparison...

Money is transient, convenience lasts much longer...

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

----------------------------

----Original Message Follows----

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: More questions

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:07:53 -0000

>

So two glasses of water, and a sauna without the funnel would use

> 16 liters daily. That would last 42 days nominally, but probably

less

> than a month of real world use.

=========================

Thanks, Saul.

What I'm really trying to get straight in my mind is....is it more

economical to get the concentrator rather than a tank and regulator.

It's not even what's more convenient; just what's the better deal in

the long run. I'm starting to get serious about this and just want

to do all my homework.

Thanks for your patience with me. Remember what is second nature to

you is all new (foreign even) to me.

Gail

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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[Guest guest]

Dear Gail,

If you are doing calculations, then you must take into consideration

the cost of running around in your car for the next ten years getting your

tank filled up, in addition to the actual cost of the fill.

And there is the consideration of your time in doing that running around.

And consider that a full tank of oxygen in a car is a bomb if you are rear

ended. (The pictures of these accidents are incredible!)

And consider that probably half of all the people using tanks have left it

on

overnight and lost a tankful at least once.

And consider that all your friends and relatives will want to come and have

treatments, which means a lot more oxygen used.

And consider that some welding supply shops are being forced by FDA to

ask for valid welders' certificates before they can legally sell you oxygen.

So, it is not just a simple dollar comparison...

Money is transient, convenience lasts much longer...

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

----------------------------

----Original Message Follows----

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: More questions

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:07:53 -0000

>

So two glasses of water, and a sauna without the funnel would use

> 16 liters daily. That would last 42 days nominally, but probably

less

> than a month of real world use.

=========================

Thanks, Saul.

What I'm really trying to get straight in my mind is....is it more

economical to get the concentrator rather than a tank and regulator.

It's not even what's more convenient; just what's the better deal in

the long run. I'm starting to get serious about this and just want

to do all my homework.

Thanks for your patience with me. Remember what is second nature to

you is all new (foreign even) to me.

Gail

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

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or health care provider.

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[Guest guest]

-

Morning Saul,

I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to funtion.

Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I have

thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness wants to

rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm glad

you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure others

will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the concentrator is

the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " Saul Pressman " <spressman@h...> wrote:

> Dear Gail,

>

> If you are doing calculations, then you must take into consideration

> the cost of running around in your car for the next ten years

getting your

> tank filled up, in addition to the actual cost of the fill.

>

> And there is the consideration of your time in doing that running

around.

>

> And consider that a full tank of oxygen in a car is a bomb if you

are rear

> ended. (The pictures of these accidents are incredible!)

>

> And consider that probably half of all the people using tanks have

left it

> on

> overnight and lost a tankful at least once.

>

> And consider that all your friends and relatives will want to come

and have

> treatments, which means a lot more oxygen used.

>

> And consider that some welding supply shops are being forced by FDA

to

> ask for valid welders' certificates before they can legally sell

you oxygen.

>

> So, it is not just a simple dollar comparison...

>

> Money is transient, convenience lasts much longer...

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------

>

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Re: More questions

> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:07:53 -0000

>

>

> >

> So two glasses of water, and a sauna without the funnel would use

> > 16 liters daily. That would last 42 days nominally, but probably

> less

> > than a month of real world use.

>

> =========================

>

> Thanks, Saul.

>

> What I'm really trying to get straight in my mind is....is it more

> economical to get the concentrator rather than a tank and regulator.

> It's not even what's more convenient; just what's the better deal in

> the long run. I'm starting to get serious about this and just want

> to do all my homework.

>

> Thanks for your patience with me. Remember what is second nature to

> you is all new (foreign even) to me.

>

> Gail

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find

here are

> for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

agree to

> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas

found

> here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

researcher

> or health care provider.

>

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[Guest guest]

-

Morning Saul,

I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to funtion.

Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I have

thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness wants to

rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm glad

you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure others

will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the concentrator is

the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " Saul Pressman " <spressman@h...> wrote:

> Dear Gail,

>

> If you are doing calculations, then you must take into consideration

> the cost of running around in your car for the next ten years

getting your

> tank filled up, in addition to the actual cost of the fill.

>

> And there is the consideration of your time in doing that running

around.

>

> And consider that a full tank of oxygen in a car is a bomb if you

are rear

> ended. (The pictures of these accidents are incredible!)

>

> And consider that probably half of all the people using tanks have

left it

> on

> overnight and lost a tankful at least once.

>

> And consider that all your friends and relatives will want to come

and have

> treatments, which means a lot more oxygen used.

>

> And consider that some welding supply shops are being forced by FDA

to

> ask for valid welders' certificates before they can legally sell

you oxygen.

>

> So, it is not just a simple dollar comparison...

>

> Money is transient, convenience lasts much longer...

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------

>

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Re: More questions

> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:07:53 -0000

>

>

> >

> So two glasses of water, and a sauna without the funnel would use

> > 16 liters daily. That would last 42 days nominally, but probably

> less

> > than a month of real world use.

>

> =========================

>

> Thanks, Saul.

>

> What I'm really trying to get straight in my mind is....is it more

> economical to get the concentrator rather than a tank and regulator.

> It's not even what's more convenient; just what's the better deal in

> the long run. I'm starting to get serious about this and just want

> to do all my homework.

>

> Thanks for your patience with me. Remember what is second nature to

> you is all new (foreign even) to me.

>

> Gail

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find

here are

> for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

agree to

> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas

found

> here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

researcher

> or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the

following

> address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or

BODY of the

> message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to

normal mode.

>

[Guest guest]

Gail,

I thought I'd put my 2 cents in if it will help you make up your mind...

If I could afford that concentrator, I'd go for it!

I'm sitting here with an almost empty tank, same condition it's been in

for months.

Part of this is sheer inertia, part impossible winter weather, part that

I've got to strong-arm the strong-armed man to get the regulator off so

I can take the tank to the welding supply and leave it and have to pick

it up about a week later

All that, and trust that I'm not going to run into someone at the

welding supply that decides to question why I want oxygen. I guess

that's not really a threat, but it does cross my mind

And I've been 'meaning' to write Saul and order a second tank, and

replacement lines but something always comes up and there goes the $

into the plumber's, electrician's, et al, pocket.

Yup, I want a concentrator!

Sharon

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

> -

> Morning Saul,

>

> I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

> brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to funtion.

> Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I have

> thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

> license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

> would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

> drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness wants to

> rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

> would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm glad

> you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure others

> will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the concentrator is

> the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

[Guest guest]

Gail,

I thought I'd put my 2 cents in if it will help you make up your mind...

If I could afford that concentrator, I'd go for it!

I'm sitting here with an almost empty tank, same condition it's been in

for months.

Part of this is sheer inertia, part impossible winter weather, part that

I've got to strong-arm the strong-armed man to get the regulator off so

I can take the tank to the welding supply and leave it and have to pick

it up about a week later

All that, and trust that I'm not going to run into someone at the

welding supply that decides to question why I want oxygen. I guess

that's not really a threat, but it does cross my mind

And I've been 'meaning' to write Saul and order a second tank, and

replacement lines but something always comes up and there goes the $

into the plumber's, electrician's, et al, pocket.

Yup, I want a concentrator!

Sharon

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

> -

> Morning Saul,

>

> I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

> brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to funtion.

> Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I have

> thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

> license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

> would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

> drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness wants to

> rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

> would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm glad

> you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure others

> will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the concentrator is

> the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

[Guest guest]

I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

earlier today.

I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

hyperbaric chamber.

And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

[Guest guest]

I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

earlier today.

I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

hyperbaric chamber.

And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

[Guest guest]

This should help:

https://www.invacare.com/cgi-bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detail.jsp?s=0 & cus\

tomerID=null & prodID=IRCPF16 & showProduct=true

Dennis

jill1313 wrote:

>I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

>earlier today.

>

>I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

>to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

>higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

>it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

>as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

>outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

>it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

>set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

>smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

>website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

>a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

>flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

>attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

>be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

>sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

>hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

>tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

>anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

>of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

>hyperbaric chamber.

>

>And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

>chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for

information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we

believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address

- NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the

message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

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[Guest guest]

This should help:

https://www.invacare.com/cgi-bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detail.jsp?s=0 & cus\

tomerID=null & prodID=IRCPF16 & showProduct=true

Dennis

jill1313 wrote:

>I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

>earlier today.

>

>I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

>to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

>higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

>it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

>as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

>outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

>it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

>set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

>smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

>website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

>a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

>flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

>attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

>be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

>sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

>hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

>tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

>anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

>of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

>hyperbaric chamber.

>

>And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

>chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for

information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we

believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address

- NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the

message! :

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> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

[Guest guest]

-

HI Sharon,

One thing that has stuck in my mind, and I tried to find it in the

archives but couldn't is (if my memory is correct) Saul wrote in

saying Jim didn't have his regulator? (correct or incorrect, Saul?),

and that Saul mailed him the family's personal regulator but it

didn't get to him in time. If I read this correctly and I've got the

story right, I just sit here shaking my head. What a shame. It just

kind of hits you in the gut, but maybe (hopefully) I've got the story

wrong. gail

-- In oxyplus , " Sharon " <starshar@c...> wrote:

> Gail,

> I thought I'd put my 2 cents in if it will help you make up your

mind...

> If I could afford that concentrator, I'd go for it!

> I'm sitting here with an almost empty tank, same condition it's

been in

> for months.

> Part of this is sheer inertia, part impossible winter weather, part

that

> I've got to strong-arm the strong-armed man to get the regulator

off so

> I can take the tank to the welding supply and leave it and have to

pick

> it up about a week later

> All that, and trust that I'm not going to run into someone at the

> welding supply that decides to question why I want oxygen. I guess

> that's not really a threat, but it does cross my mind

> And I've been 'meaning' to write Saul and order a second tank, and

> replacement lines but something always comes up and there goes the $

> into the plumber's, electrician's, et al, pocket.

>

> Yup, I want a concentrator!

>

> Sharon

>

>

> From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@y...>

> > -

> > Morning Saul,

> >

> > I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

> > brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to

funtion.

> > Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I

have

> > thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

> > license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

> > would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

> > drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness

wants to

> > rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

> > would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm

glad

> > you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure

others

> > will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the

concentrator is

> > the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

[Guest guest]

-

HI Sharon,

One thing that has stuck in my mind, and I tried to find it in the

archives but couldn't is (if my memory is correct) Saul wrote in

saying Jim didn't have his regulator? (correct or incorrect, Saul?),

and that Saul mailed him the family's personal regulator but it

didn't get to him in time. If I read this correctly and I've got the

story right, I just sit here shaking my head. What a shame. It just

kind of hits you in the gut, but maybe (hopefully) I've got the story

wrong. gail

-- In oxyplus , " Sharon " <starshar@c...> wrote:

> Gail,

> I thought I'd put my 2 cents in if it will help you make up your

mind...

> If I could afford that concentrator, I'd go for it!

> I'm sitting here with an almost empty tank, same condition it's

been in

> for months.

> Part of this is sheer inertia, part impossible winter weather, part

that

> I've got to strong-arm the strong-armed man to get the regulator

off so

> I can take the tank to the welding supply and leave it and have to

pick

> it up about a week later

> All that, and trust that I'm not going to run into someone at the

> welding supply that decides to question why I want oxygen. I guess

> that's not really a threat, but it does cross my mind

> And I've been 'meaning' to write Saul and order a second tank, and

> replacement lines but something always comes up and there goes the $

> into the plumber's, electrician's, et al, pocket.

>

> Yup, I want a concentrator!

>

> Sharon

>

>

> From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@y...>

> > -

> > Morning Saul,

> >

> > I am such a simple person that lives on a hefty diet of fried

> > brains. Simplicity is a necessity for me to even be able to

funtion.

> > Thus I try and get to the bottom line as quickly as possible. I

have

> > thought about most of what you're saying except needing a welders

> > license. That never occured to me. A major consideration for me

> > would also be will I at times even be able to get in the car and

> > drive to wherever to get the tank filled. When this illness

wants to

> > rise up it's ugly head, it will flatten you in a heart beat. That

> > would be my first consideration, then the cost factor. But I'm

glad

> > you also brought up the other things to consider as I'm sure

others

> > will also be enlightened. For me bottome line is the

concentrator is

> > the better choice, which is what I'm leaning towards.

[Guest guest]

Gail,

Your memory is the same as mine on this. That's exactly what Saul said.

And as I fuss with myself about getting the tank refilled, I think one

of those " what ifs... " someone is coming down with a severe flu and

under the best of circumstances I'd be waiting a week for a fresh tank

full of oxygen.

When I came down with Lyme I was so grateful that I already had the

Plasmafire and over 1/2 a tank of oxygen in the house. Supplementing the

Doxycycline with ozonated water, funneling, and ear insufflation really

helped me beat that critter.

I think I'll go drag the tank into the middle of the kitchen floor; that

way he'll fall over it and I can hand him a tool for removing the

regulator.........

Go for the concentrator if you can!

Sharon

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

> HI Sharon,

>

> One thing that has stuck in my mind, and I tried to find it in the

> archives but couldn't is (if my memory is correct) Saul wrote in

> saying Jim didn't have his regulator? (correct or incorrect, Saul?),

> and that Saul mailed him the family's personal regulator but it

> didn't get to him in time. If I read this correctly and I've got the

> story right, I just sit here shaking my head. What a shame. It just

> kind of hits you in the gut, but maybe (hopefully) I've got the story

> wrong. gail

[Guest guest]

Gail,

Your memory is the same as mine on this. That's exactly what Saul said.

And as I fuss with myself about getting the tank refilled, I think one

of those " what ifs... " someone is coming down with a severe flu and

under the best of circumstances I'd be waiting a week for a fresh tank

full of oxygen.

When I came down with Lyme I was so grateful that I already had the

Plasmafire and over 1/2 a tank of oxygen in the house. Supplementing the

Doxycycline with ozonated water, funneling, and ear insufflation really

helped me beat that critter.

I think I'll go drag the tank into the middle of the kitchen floor; that

way he'll fall over it and I can hand him a tool for removing the

regulator.........

Go for the concentrator if you can!

Sharon

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

> HI Sharon,

>

> One thing that has stuck in my mind, and I tried to find it in the

> archives but couldn't is (if my memory is correct) Saul wrote in

> saying Jim didn't have his regulator? (correct or incorrect, Saul?),

> and that Saul mailed him the family's personal regulator but it

> didn't get to him in time. If I read this correctly and I've got the

> story right, I just sit here shaking my head. What a shame. It just

> kind of hits you in the gut, but maybe (hopefully) I've got the story

> wrong. gail

[Guest guest]

Thanx Dennis. I didn't even know such things existed. Maybe INtegra

makes one too? Or maybe this one will work with an INtegra?

I also was looking at used tanks/regulators on ebay and they seem

very reasonable. I.E. if my integra will work for the sauna and I

can get a little tank for the water. But maybe longterm one of these

items is better. Thx again.

> This should help:

>

> https://www.invacare.com/cgi-

bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detail.jsp?

s=0 & customerID=null & prodID=IRCPF16 & showProduct=true

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanx Dennis. I didn't even know such things existed. Maybe INtegra

makes one too? Or maybe this one will work with an INtegra?

I also was looking at used tanks/regulators on ebay and they seem

very reasonable. I.E. if my integra will work for the sauna and I

can get a little tank for the water. But maybe longterm one of these

items is better. Thx again.

> This should help:

>

> https://www.invacare.com/cgi-

bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detail.jsp?

s=0 & customerID=null & prodID=IRCPF16 & showProduct=true

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jill,

Your living room has been transformed into a healing room!

1/2 l/m is fine for the sauna, and you can also make ozonated water

with the Alpha at that flow rate, so there is no need to get a tank and

regulator.

You need lower flow rates for insufflation, but you are not going to do

those

yet anyway, so just do some ozonated water to start off, and when you have

the sauna outgassed, start doing your ozone saunas.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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----Original Message Follows----

From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: More questions on oxygen supply

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:12:03 -0000

I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

earlier today.

I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

hyperbaric chamber.

And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dennis,

The Invacare flow meter only goes down to 1/2 l/m, which is

what the flow meter on her concentrator does.

There are other flow meters available that will work, however.

See Dwyer flowmeters:

http://www.dwyer-inst.com/htdocs/onlinestuff/AddItem.cfm?FN=VIEW & RA=/htdocs/flow\

/qsvf.cfm & CFID=979034 & CFTOKEN=47febd515c0bab72-93FFF4E5-255C-6ECA-9DDBC204B4E17A\

AF

Cut and paste the whole address to get to the order page for this item,

which operates at .06 - .5 l/m (1/16 - 1/2 l/m)

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

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----Original Message Follows----

From: dlipter <dlipter@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: Re: More questions on oxygen supply

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:06:34 -0500

This should help:

https://www.invacare.com/cgi-bin/imhqprd/inv_catalog/prod_cat_detail.jsp?s=0 & cus\

tomerID=null & prodID=IRCPF16 & showProduct=true

Dennis

jill1313 wrote:

>I think my concentrator is too powerful. I emailed Saul a little

>earlier today.

>

>I have an Integra concentrator for my hyperbaric chamber. It goes up

>to 10 litres/m. A little ball rises up the guage as you set it

>higher or lower. My sauna came last night and I am trying to outgas

>it with ozone for a few days as the styrene smell is too much for me

>as I am chemically sensitive. Even if it takes a week or two to

>outgas, this is preferable to me than actually taking steam saunas in

>it when it is new and outgassing. But I am not sure I have precisely

>set my concentrator at 1/2. I tried my best to guage. I think I

>smell ozone coming out of the silicone tubing. I looked on Saul's

>website and back through the posts on ozonetherapy and I see he makes

>a little concnentrator that has slow flow rates, and the slower the

>flow rate the higher the 02 concentration. I just didn't pay

>attention before and I assumed my extra powerful concentrator would

>be better but I now wonder if it's not. Maybe it'll work for the

>sauna and I can get one little tank for ozonating water. I guess I

>hvae to figure it out in the next few days. I am going to research

>tanks now and hopefully talk to Saul in the next day or two. If

>anybody has thoughts on this please let me know but I am probably one

>of the only people who already had a concentrator because of having a

>hyperbaric chamber.

>

>And by the way, my livingroom is an aesthetic mumble jumble! A

>chamber, a sauna, oh my god. It isn't a livingroom anymore.

>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

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[Guest guest]

Anyone ordering a flowmeter:

Choose a stainless steel valve assembly.

You will need 1/8 " male NPT fittings to screw into the 1/8 " female NPT

fittings on the rear of the flowmeter.

NPT = National Pipe Thread

The other end of the fitting will have either a 1/8 " or 1/4 " barb for

your tubing.

1/8 " barb for 1/8 id tubing

1/4 " barb for 1/4 id tubing

id = inside dimension

You will need to mount the flowmeter on a secure vertical surface.

Dennis

[Guest guest]

Anyone ordering a flowmeter:

Choose a stainless steel valve assembly.

You will need 1/8 " male NPT fittings to screw into the 1/8 " female NPT

fittings on the rear of the flowmeter.

NPT = National Pipe Thread

The other end of the fitting will have either a 1/8 " or 1/4 " barb for

your tubing.

1/8 " barb for 1/8 id tubing

1/4 " barb for 1/4 id tubing

id = inside dimension

You will need to mount the flowmeter on a secure vertical surface.

Dennis

[Guest guest]

On second thought for a single flowmeter, the one Saul recommended is best.

You just loose accuracy @ 1/32 LPM. It also has the advantage of having

a LPM scale........less confusing.

Dennis

dlipter wrote:

>Saul,

>

>The Invacare Pediatric Flowmeter has a scale from 0 to 3/4 LPM. The

>first scale division is 1/16 LPM and the flow can be regulated to sit

>the float ball half way between 0 and 1/16 which yields approx. 1/32

>LPM. The other divisions are 1/8 LPM, 3/16 LPM, 1/4 LPM, 1/2 LPM, and

>3/4 LPM.

>

>A better choice for a naked flowmeter would be:

>

>Dwyer RMA150 which has a range of 0-100CC/min with 30CC=1/32 LPM,

>65CC=1/16 LPM (good accuracy at 1/32 and 1/16 but lacks higher flow rate

>divisions)

>Or

>Dwyer RMA151 which has a range of 0-50CC/min with the 30CC=1/32 LPM

>(very accurate for 1/32 flow rates)

>Or

>Dwyer RMA-11 which has a range of 30-240CC/min with 30CC=1/32LPM,

>65CC=1/16LPM, 125CC=1/8LPM, and 250CC=1/4LPM

>(sacrifices accuracy at 1/32 for an expanded scale)

>

>All the above flowmeters are calibrated for air. They would all be

>slightly off measuring oxygen.

>

>Dennis

>

>Saul Pressman wrote:

>

>

>

>>Dear Dennis,

>>

>>The Invacare flow meter only goes down to 1/2 l/m, which is

>>what the flow meter on her concentrator does.

>>

>>There are other flow meters available that will work, however.

>>See Dwyer flowmeters:

>>http://www.dwyer-inst.com/htdocs/onlinestuff/AddItem.cfm?FN=VIEW & RA=/htdocs/fl\

ow/qsvf.cfm & CFID=979034 & CFTOKEN=47febd515c0bab72-93FFF4E5-255C-6ECA-9DDBC204B4E1\

7AAF

>>

>>Cut and paste the whole address to get to the order page for this item,

>>which operates at .06 - .5 l/m (1/16 - 1/2 l/m)

>>

>>Best of Health!

>>Dr. Saul Pressman

>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for

information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we

believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

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care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address

- NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

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>

[Guest guest]

On second thought for a single flowmeter, the one Saul recommended is best.

You just loose accuracy @ 1/32 LPM. It also has the advantage of having

a LPM scale........less confusing.

Dennis

dlipter wrote:

>Saul,

>

>The Invacare Pediatric Flowmeter has a scale from 0 to 3/4 LPM. The

>first scale division is 1/16 LPM and the flow can be regulated to sit

>the float ball half way between 0 and 1/16 which yields approx. 1/32

>LPM. The other divisions are 1/8 LPM, 3/16 LPM, 1/4 LPM, 1/2 LPM, and

>3/4 LPM.

>

>A better choice for a naked flowmeter would be:

>

>Dwyer RMA150 which has a range of 0-100CC/min with 30CC=1/32 LPM,

>65CC=1/16 LPM (good accuracy at 1/32 and 1/16 but lacks higher flow rate

>divisions)

>Or

>Dwyer RMA151 which has a range of 0-50CC/min with the 30CC=1/32 LPM

>(very accurate for 1/32 flow rates)

>Or

>Dwyer RMA-11 which has a range of 30-240CC/min with 30CC=1/32LPM,

>65CC=1/16LPM, 125CC=1/8LPM, and 250CC=1/4LPM

>(sacrifices accuracy at 1/32 for an expanded scale)

>

>All the above flowmeters are calibrated for air. They would all be

>slightly off measuring oxygen.

>

>Dennis

>

>Saul Pressman wrote:

>

>

>

>>Dear Dennis,

>>

>>The Invacare flow meter only goes down to 1/2 l/m, which is

>>what the flow meter on her concentrator does.

>>

>>There are other flow meters available that will work, however.

>>See Dwyer flowmeters:

>>http://www.dwyer-inst.com/htdocs/onlinestuff/AddItem.cfm?FN=VIEW & RA=/htdocs/fl\

ow/qsvf.cfm & CFID=979034 & CFTOKEN=47febd515c0bab72-93FFF4E5-255C-6ECA-9DDBC204B4E1\

7AAF

>>

>>Cut and paste the whole address to get to the order page for this item,

>>which operates at .06 - .5 l/m (1/16 - 1/2 l/m)

>>

>>Best of Health!

>>Dr. Saul Pressman

>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for

information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we

believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

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care provider.

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dennis,

My mistake.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

----Original Message Follows----

From: dlipter <dlipter@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: Re: More questions on oxygen supply

Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:19:35 -0500

Saul,

The Invacare Pediatric Flowmeter has a scale from 0 to 3/4 LPM. The

first scale division is 1/16 LPM and the flow can be regulated to sit

the float ball half way between 0 and 1/16 which yields approx. 1/32

LPM. The other divisions are 1/8 LPM, 3/16 LPM, 1/4 LPM, 1/2 LPM, and

3/4 LPM.

A better choice for a naked flowmeter would be:

Dwyer RMA150 which has a range of 0-100CC/min with 30CC=1/32 LPM,

65CC=1/16 LPM (good accuracy at 1/32 and 1/16 but lacks higher flow rate

divisions)

Or

Dwyer RMA151 which has a range of 0-50CC/min with the 30CC=1/32 LPM

(very accurate for 1/32 flow rates)

Or

Dwyer RMA-11 which has a range of 30-240CC/min with 30CC=1/32LPM,

65CC=1/16LPM, 125CC=1/8LPM, and 250CC=1/4LPM

(sacrifices accuracy at 1/32 for an expanded scale)

All the above flowmeters are calibrated for air. They would all be

slightly off measuring oxygen.

Dennis

Saul Pressman wrote:

>Dear Dennis,

>

>The Invacare flow meter only goes down to 1/2 l/m, which is

>what the flow meter on her concentrator does.

>

>There are other flow meters available that will work, however.

>See Dwyer flowmeters:

>http://www.dwyer-inst.com/htdocs/onlinestuff/AddItem.cfm?FN=VIEW & RA=/htdocs/flo\

w/qsvf.cfm & CFID=979034 & CFTOKEN=47febd515c0bab72-93FFF4E5-255C-6ECA-9DDBC204B4E17\

AAF

>

>Cut and paste the whole address to get to the order page for this item,

>which operates at .06 - .5 l/m (1/16 - 1/2 l/m)

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-------------------

>

>

>

>

>

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

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information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

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[Guest guest]

" Saul Pressman " <spressman@h...> wrote:

> And consider that all your friends and relatives will want to

> come and have treatments, which means a lot more oxygen used.

My friends and relatives would rather die than try something

that wasn't recommended by a doctor.

Whenever they ask a doctor about something alternative,

the doctor always says " don't do that! " .

[Guest guest]

Help! Remember, I am a female! Doesn't this thing come readymade

or do I have to go get wire and NPT fittings whatever those are?

Yikes. That's probably why I need to call Integra.

> Anyone ordering a flowmeter:

>

> Choose a stainless steel valve assembly.

> You will need 1/8 " male NPT fittings to screw into the 1/8 " female

NPT

> fittings on the rear of the flowmeter.

> NPT = National Pipe Thread

> The other end of the fitting will have either a 1/8 " or 1/4 " barb

for

> your tubing.

> 1/8 " barb for 1/8 id tubing

> 1/4 " barb for 1/4 id tubing

> id = inside dimension

>

> You will need to mount the flowmeter on a secure vertical surface.

>

> Dennis