(to Sandy & ALL members) OCD stress theory

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Sandy and all parents in this forum,

I was on 300 of wellbutrin along with 150 of zoloft. I started on 150

wellbutrin a year ago and discovered anxiety was still an issue. Zoloft is

an antidepressant, but from my understanding, it does have anti anxiety

properties. I know it sounds like a lot, but I do not feel drugged up and

it beats living in dread and worry. I personally was born with a family

history of chemical imbalance, so it is chronic in my case. Our bodies are

very sensitive to the effects of stress, so if you are dealing with

excessive stress, the chemical balance can easily be shifted as a response

mechanism. I am very open with my " imbalance " and find that sooooo many

people are having difficulty dealing with the stress of society and

responsibility in this modern world, which is comforting to say the least. I

used to be ashamed of my inadequacy for dealing. I have always been a

proponent of alternative meds and believe that docs do overmedicate, but I

also believe that the stress of modern society can catch up with anybody,

and if meds help, then go for it! I cannot believe how many people I know

that have been on some sort of mood stabilizing script at one time or

another. Once I got over my feeling of guilt by relying on meds to help me

through life, the meds were actually more effective. Funny thing about all

of this is that my daughter's friend's mother called me yesterday to ask me

how Colleen was doing in school with her anxiety. I briefed her, as I knew

there had to be more reason for her call, then she proceeded to tell me some

of the behaviors her daughter was displaying- very similar to Colleen- which

were causing her distress. In considering her phone call and how many

children are placed on ADHD meds nowadays, I developed a theory. Pregnant

women are under too much stress (work, family, household, finances, divorce,

etc) resulting in chemical imbalance throughout pregnancy. If meds taken

during pregnancy are not safe for a developing fetus, how can a chemical

imbalance be any different? I also am convinced that children are faced

with so much more responsibility at such young ages, that simply is not

natural or healthy (daycare, go families, working moms,higher demands of

school in huge classes, etc), that their little bodies are faced with more

stress than it is capable of dealing with. I have to laugh because the

thought of a young child having too much stress is utterly ridiculous, but

it is a fact of today. Children are also very impressionable, as well as

very dependent on mommy, so how can our imbalances and difficulty dealing

with stresses we face not have a radical impact on them. Kids have a

phenomenal sixth sense, so to speak. So, all in all, the fact that there

are so many children facing challenges of OCD and ADD, etc, is the basis for

my theory that this modern world's requirements of individuals, beginning at

a very young age, is creating widespread chemical imbalance, including that

of our children. I think we need to slow down as a whole and it needs to be

a widespread movement. Unfortunately, I do not think this is going to

happen, so we medicate to survive.

I apologize for the lecture, but when I get on a role, I just cannot stop!

In my pursuance of a secondary certification, I intend on using it to touch

the lives of my students and set them up for emotional success in addition

to scholastic success.

Any comments? Would love to hear what others think- whether agree or

disagree. Maybe if we dig a bit deeper, we can come up with some solutions.

Jill in Michigan (anybody else in metro Detroit?)

>From: " Sandy " <melbiscuit5@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: what is wrong with me-Sandy

>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:29:44 -0000

>

>Jill, that is interesting that you are on wellbutrin for depression

>and zoloft for anxiety. I thought zoloft was for depression too. I

>am only taking 150 mg of well. and read earlier that 300 is the

>dosage! I definately need to get my head figured out! Good luck on

>getting your masters! That is awesome.

>Sandy

>

>

>

>

> > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

>depression,

> > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

>combo I have

> > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for the

>anxiety

> > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin and

>replacing

> > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

>pursue

> > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

>previous

> > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and anxiety

>while

> > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the meds

>to kick in

> > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > Jill

> >

> >

> > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > >Reply-

> > >< >

> > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > >

> > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on Zoloft 6

>years

> > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

>because I

> > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

>been on

> > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd and 3rd

>week

> > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

>The other

> > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

>plain " out of

> > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

>continues to

> > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested to

>see what

> > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > >

> > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > >

> > >

> > > what is wrong with me

> > >

> > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

>I do

> > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

>inattentive

> > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

>more

> > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

>figure

> > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

>Thanks

> > >again for your input.

> > >Sandy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I have been thinking alot about something like this too. My 10 yr old daughter

has OCD. When I was pregnant with her, I constantly stayed stressed due to her

father not being a good husband. Long story short, it was not an easy pregnancy

mentally. I wonder if me staying so agitated and nervous (crying, screaming,

etc.) made this start while I was pregnant with her. I was on no meds at the

time.

I am now on Zoloft and have been for right at 10 yrs. Was told it was ok to

take while pregnant. I took it while I was preg w/my 2 yr old and now 9 mos

preg and have taken it the whole time. I am curious to see if what you are

saying could be true. But there is no way I could go off the medicine. I am a

total basket case, yelling and stressing out. So we will see what happens.

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[Guest guest]

I have been thinking alot about something like this too. My 10 yr old daughter

has OCD. When I was pregnant with her, I constantly stayed stressed due to her

father not being a good husband. Long story short, it was not an easy pregnancy

mentally. I wonder if me staying so agitated and nervous (crying, screaming,

etc.) made this start while I was pregnant with her. I was on no meds at the

time.

I am now on Zoloft and have been for right at 10 yrs. Was told it was ok to

take while pregnant. I took it while I was preg w/my 2 yr old and now 9 mos

preg and have taken it the whole time. I am curious to see if what you are

saying could be true. But there is no way I could go off the medicine. I am a

total basket case, yelling and stressing out. So we will see what happens.

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Jill,

Well, I agree and disagree with your post. I agree 100% about today's

society giving our kids too much stress. We get used to going all the

time and spreading ourselves thin, but if many of us think to back to

our youth....ah, so much simpler. The extra-curricular activities are

a hot-button for me; I see so many kids rushing around, doing 2, 3

different activities, plus schoolwork, and both parents working. And

often the parents push the kids to do more, do it better, etc. Most

of them look exhausted from not getting enough sleep. When do kids

get to be kids?

For my OCD child, I know she could never do all that, she can't seem

to handle school and homework! We have started swimming lessons on

Saturdays, but you can see that although she loves it, it takes so

much out of her. OCD kids do not need added stress from the outside,

they have enough on the inside!

What I highly disagree with is that stress during pregnancy can cause

OCD (I think that's your theory). I believe it is highly hereditary,

so you " pass " it on that way, but not from your stress. I have a

sister-in-law who has OCD, but she is a calm person, very patient,

never raises her voice, and moves at a snail's pace, so not franatic

at all. (Her OCD is about checking things, pretty mild.) Yet her

daughter wound up with severe OCD. I think if you have any mental

health issues, it is very likely (unfortunately) that at least one of

your children will have something too, although it can manifest itself

differently (as in your case, you have anxiety and depression, in your

daughter it came out in the form of OCD).

nna.

NY

> > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> >depression,

> > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> >combo I have

> > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for the

> >anxiety

> > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin and

> >replacing

> > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> >pursue

> > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> >previous

> > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and anxiety

> >while

> > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the meds

> >to kick in

> > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > Jill

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > >Reply-

> > > >< >

> > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > >

> > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on Zoloft 6

> >years

> > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> >because I

> > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> >been on

> > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd and 3rd

> >week

> > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> >The other

> > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> >plain " out of

> > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> >continues to

> > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested to

> >see what

> > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > >

> > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > what is wrong with me

> > > >

> > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> >I do

> > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> >inattentive

> > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> >more

> > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> >figure

> > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> >Thanks

> > > >again for your input.

> > > >Sandy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> >accessed

> > > >at: / .

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[Guest guest]

Jill,

Well, I agree and disagree with your post. I agree 100% about today's

society giving our kids too much stress. We get used to going all the

time and spreading ourselves thin, but if many of us think to back to

our youth....ah, so much simpler. The extra-curricular activities are

a hot-button for me; I see so many kids rushing around, doing 2, 3

different activities, plus schoolwork, and both parents working. And

often the parents push the kids to do more, do it better, etc. Most

of them look exhausted from not getting enough sleep. When do kids

get to be kids?

For my OCD child, I know she could never do all that, she can't seem

to handle school and homework! We have started swimming lessons on

Saturdays, but you can see that although she loves it, it takes so

much out of her. OCD kids do not need added stress from the outside,

they have enough on the inside!

What I highly disagree with is that stress during pregnancy can cause

OCD (I think that's your theory). I believe it is highly hereditary,

so you " pass " it on that way, but not from your stress. I have a

sister-in-law who has OCD, but she is a calm person, very patient,

never raises her voice, and moves at a snail's pace, so not franatic

at all. (Her OCD is about checking things, pretty mild.) Yet her

daughter wound up with severe OCD. I think if you have any mental

health issues, it is very likely (unfortunately) that at least one of

your children will have something too, although it can manifest itself

differently (as in your case, you have anxiety and depression, in your

daughter it came out in the form of OCD).

nna.

NY

> > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> >depression,

> > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> >combo I have

> > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for the

> >anxiety

> > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin and

> >replacing

> > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> >pursue

> > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> >previous

> > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and anxiety

> >while

> > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the meds

> >to kick in

> > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > Jill

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > >Reply-

> > > >< >

> > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > >

> > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on Zoloft 6

> >years

> > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> >because I

> > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> >been on

> > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd and 3rd

> >week

> > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> >The other

> > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> >plain " out of

> > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> >continues to

> > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested to

> >see what

> > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > >

> > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > what is wrong with me

> > > >

> > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> >I do

> > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> >inattentive

> > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> >more

> > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> >figure

> > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> >Thanks

> > > >again for your input.

> > > >Sandy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> >accessed

> > > >at: / .

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> > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> >Wagner,

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> >are

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

I was the happiest I'd ever been in my life (and I've never suffered

from depression) while I was pregnant. My son's grandfather, my

father, has OCD and always has. There's a biological link, but I

don't think it's pregnancy...

> > > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> > >depression,

> > > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> > >combo I have

> > > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for

the

> > >anxiety

> > > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin

and

> > >replacing

> > > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> > >pursue

> > > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> > >previous

> > > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and

anxiety

> > >while

> > > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the

meds

> > >to kick in

> > > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > > Jill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >< >

> > > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > > >

> > > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on

Zoloft 6

> > >years

> > > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> > >because I

> > > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> > >been on

> > > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd

and 3rd

> > >week

> > > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> > >The other

> > > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> > >plain " out of

> > > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> > >continues to

> > > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested

to

> > >see what

> > > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > > >

> > > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > what is wrong with me

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my

obgyn.

> > >I do

> > > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> > >inattentive

> > > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me

feel

> > >more

> > > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way

to

> > >figure

> > > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist.

lol.

> > >Thanks

> > > > >again for your input.

> > > > >Sandy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> > >accessed

> > > > >at: / .

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Ph.D.(

> > > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> > >Wagner,

> > > > >Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list

moderators

> > >are

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[Guest guest]

I was the happiest I'd ever been in my life (and I've never suffered

from depression) while I was pregnant. My son's grandfather, my

father, has OCD and always has. There's a biological link, but I

don't think it's pregnancy...

> > > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> > >depression,

> > > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> > >combo I have

> > > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for

the

> > >anxiety

> > > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin

and

> > >replacing

> > > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> > >pursue

> > > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> > >previous

> > > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and

anxiety

> > >while

> > > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the

meds

> > >to kick in

> > > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > > Jill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >< >

> > > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > > >

> > > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on

Zoloft 6

> > >years

> > > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> > >because I

> > > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> > >been on

> > > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd

and 3rd

> > >week

> > > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> > >The other

> > > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> > >plain " out of

> > > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> > >continues to

> > > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested

to

> > >see what

> > > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > > >

> > > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > what is wrong with me

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my

obgyn.

> > >I do

> > > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> > >inattentive

> > > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me

feel

> > >more

> > > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way

to

> > >figure

> > > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist.

lol.

> > >Thanks

> > > > >again for your input.

> > > > >Sandy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> > >accessed

> > > > >at: / .

> > > > >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky,

Ph.D.(

> > > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> > >Wagner,

> > > > >Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list

moderators

> > >are

> > > > > Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes,

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> > > > >Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy .

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[Guest guest]

Gotta agree here. I was extremely happy to be pregnant with my OCD son. It was a

good time of my life. My second pregnancy was incredibly stressful for a variety

of reasons. I remember asking my mom 'can stress cause a baby to be born

stressed?' In the end, my second child did have a birth defect (eye cataract)

but does not have any anxiety/ocd type difficulties like my first-born.

kimz

what is wrong with me

> > > >

> > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> >I do

> > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> >inattentive

> > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> >more

> > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> >figure

> > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> >Thanks

> > > >again for your input.

> > > >Sandy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Gotta agree here. I was extremely happy to be pregnant with my OCD son. It was a

good time of my life. My second pregnancy was incredibly stressful for a variety

of reasons. I remember asking my mom 'can stress cause a baby to be born

stressed?' In the end, my second child did have a birth defect (eye cataract)

but does not have any anxiety/ocd type difficulties like my first-born.

kimz

what is wrong with me

> > > >

> > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> >I do

> > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> >inattentive

> > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> >more

> > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> >figure

> > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> >Thanks

> > > >again for your input.

> > > >Sandy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> >accessed

> > > >at: / .

> > > >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> >Wagner,

> > > >Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators

> >are

> > > > Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes,

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> > > >Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription

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> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill, as to your theory on pregnancy and then also about childhood

these days, I disagree & agree!

Let's see, I have 3 sons, 2 are twins so 2 pregancies there.

All my pregnancies were stressful as to my marriage. And my first

pregnancy - boy, I ran the gamut of hormonal emotions there, LOL,

marriage problems aside! (in other words, could have had a perfect

marriage and I'd still have been up/down emotionally) With the

twins, things were more calm (or rather *I* was, marriage was

failing) but then I was so " morning sickness " the entire pregnancy,

etc., - well, anyway, my " hormonal " reactions 2nd time weren't there

so far as the extreme highs/lows/feelings....

Do I think my emotions & stress played a part in how my kids turned

out - don't know. I do think they might play a part. But I can't

say that someone who goes 100% thru a pregnancy very happily,

cheerfully, great marriage, etc., can't end up having *something*

with their child at some age (birth or later). So genetics play a

big part I believe. I see where 's OCD comes from (my mom,

me). had OCD at a very young age, basically went away (yay!!)

I've read where the ultrasound is being looked at, it's advised not

to have too many (or are wondering about the effects of too many) as

ultrasounds might affect the fetus, I'm thinking neurologically.

Side note - Did you see today where Paxil has another warning to not

take it during pregnancy, might cause heart condition (or

something)?

Just never know what all might affect a child before birth -

heredity/genetics, emotions, mom's hormones(!), foods,

ultrasounds....

As to childhood - YES, back to the simpler life!! Sounds great but

that's because I'm getting up in age, LOL!

Gotta go, just some very quick thoughts (that I can take back later,

LOL!)

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill, as to your theory on pregnancy and then also about childhood

these days, I disagree & agree!

Let's see, I have 3 sons, 2 are twins so 2 pregancies there.

All my pregnancies were stressful as to my marriage. And my first

pregnancy - boy, I ran the gamut of hormonal emotions there, LOL,

marriage problems aside! (in other words, could have had a perfect

marriage and I'd still have been up/down emotionally) With the

twins, things were more calm (or rather *I* was, marriage was

failing) but then I was so " morning sickness " the entire pregnancy,

etc., - well, anyway, my " hormonal " reactions 2nd time weren't there

so far as the extreme highs/lows/feelings....

Do I think my emotions & stress played a part in how my kids turned

out - don't know. I do think they might play a part. But I can't

say that someone who goes 100% thru a pregnancy very happily,

cheerfully, great marriage, etc., can't end up having *something*

with their child at some age (birth or later). So genetics play a

big part I believe. I see where 's OCD comes from (my mom,

me). had OCD at a very young age, basically went away (yay!!)

I've read where the ultrasound is being looked at, it's advised not

to have too many (or are wondering about the effects of too many) as

ultrasounds might affect the fetus, I'm thinking neurologically.

Side note - Did you see today where Paxil has another warning to not

take it during pregnancy, might cause heart condition (or

something)?

Just never know what all might affect a child before birth -

heredity/genetics, emotions, mom's hormones(!), foods,

ultrasounds....

As to childhood - YES, back to the simpler life!! Sounds great but

that's because I'm getting up in age, LOL!

Gotta go, just some very quick thoughts (that I can take back later,

LOL!)

[Guest guest]

HI nna,

Good point! I do not disagree with you. I should have clarified that I

believe it to be factual that the imbalance on a human system is hereditary-

absolutely no doubt about it. So, my theory about stress of modern society-

pressures faced by women mostly (be it visual to an outsider or not) having

an impact on fetal development could possibly, in addition to the hereditary

likeliness of a child of of a parent with an imbalance, make it more likely

for the child to possess these tendencies. I am a great example of someone

that does not appear whatsoever to suffer from my disorders. It is

difficult for most people to believe that I have such turmoil going on in

myself, including a few of the docs I have been to and my immediate family,

because of my ability to mask it on the outside. I suppose that in itself

is part of my disfunction!!! So, instead of using the word stress of a

mother through pregnancy is not precisely the message I was trying to

convey. With your response, I am able to put my theory into perspective and

re-evaluate the terminology.

Thanks for your insight. Being a scientist, in addition to my ADD, often

makes me overthink!

Jill

>From: " nna " <mdonlon@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: (to Sandy & ALL members) OCD stress theory

>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:45:36 -0000

>

>Jill,

>

>Well, I agree and disagree with your post. I agree 100% about today's

>society giving our kids too much stress. We get used to going all the

>time and spreading ourselves thin, but if many of us think to back to

>our youth....ah, so much simpler. The extra-curricular activities are

>a hot-button for me; I see so many kids rushing around, doing 2, 3

>different activities, plus schoolwork, and both parents working. And

>often the parents push the kids to do more, do it better, etc. Most

>of them look exhausted from not getting enough sleep. When do kids

>get to be kids?

>

>For my OCD child, I know she could never do all that, she can't seem

>to handle school and homework! We have started swimming lessons on

>Saturdays, but you can see that although she loves it, it takes so

>much out of her. OCD kids do not need added stress from the outside,

>they have enough on the inside!

>

>What I highly disagree with is that stress during pregnancy can cause

>OCD (I think that's your theory). I believe it is highly hereditary,

>so you " pass " it on that way, but not from your stress. I have a

>sister-in-law who has OCD, but she is a calm person, very patient,

>never raises her voice, and moves at a snail's pace, so not franatic

>at all. (Her OCD is about checking things, pretty mild.) Yet her

>daughter wound up with severe OCD. I think if you have any mental

>health issues, it is very likely (unfortunately) that at least one of

>your children will have something too, although it can manifest itself

>differently (as in your case, you have anxiety and depression, in your

>daughter it came out in the form of OCD).

>

>nna.

>NY

>

>

>

>

> > > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> > >depression,

> > > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> > >combo I have

> > > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for the

> > >anxiety

> > > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin and

> > >replacing

> > > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> > >pursue

> > > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> > >previous

> > > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and anxiety

> > >while

> > > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the meds

> > >to kick in

> > > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > > Jill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >< >

> > > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > > >

> > > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on Zoloft 6

> > >years

> > > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> > >because I

> > > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> > >been on

> > > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd and 3rd

> > >week

> > > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> > >The other

> > > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> > >plain " out of

> > > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> > >continues to

> > > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested to

> > >see what

> > > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > > >

> > > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > what is wrong with me

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> > >I do

> > > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> > >inattentive

> > > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> > >more

> > > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> > >figure

> > > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> > >Thanks

> > > > >again for your input.

> > > > >Sandy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> > >accessed

> > > > >at: / .

> > > > >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> > > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> > >Wagner,

> > > > >Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators

> > >are

> > > > > Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes,

> > >Joye,

> > > > >Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription

> > >issues

> > > > >or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

> > > > >louisharkins@y... , louisharkins@h... ,

> > > > >louisharkins@g... .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

HI nna,

Good point! I do not disagree with you. I should have clarified that I

believe it to be factual that the imbalance on a human system is hereditary-

absolutely no doubt about it. So, my theory about stress of modern society-

pressures faced by women mostly (be it visual to an outsider or not) having

an impact on fetal development could possibly, in addition to the hereditary

likeliness of a child of of a parent with an imbalance, make it more likely

for the child to possess these tendencies. I am a great example of someone

that does not appear whatsoever to suffer from my disorders. It is

difficult for most people to believe that I have such turmoil going on in

myself, including a few of the docs I have been to and my immediate family,

because of my ability to mask it on the outside. I suppose that in itself

is part of my disfunction!!! So, instead of using the word stress of a

mother through pregnancy is not precisely the message I was trying to

convey. With your response, I am able to put my theory into perspective and

re-evaluate the terminology.

Thanks for your insight. Being a scientist, in addition to my ADD, often

makes me overthink!

Jill

>From: " nna " <mdonlon@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: (to Sandy & ALL members) OCD stress theory

>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:45:36 -0000

>

>Jill,

>

>Well, I agree and disagree with your post. I agree 100% about today's

>society giving our kids too much stress. We get used to going all the

>time and spreading ourselves thin, but if many of us think to back to

>our youth....ah, so much simpler. The extra-curricular activities are

>a hot-button for me; I see so many kids rushing around, doing 2, 3

>different activities, plus schoolwork, and both parents working. And

>often the parents push the kids to do more, do it better, etc. Most

>of them look exhausted from not getting enough sleep. When do kids

>get to be kids?

>

>For my OCD child, I know she could never do all that, she can't seem

>to handle school and homework! We have started swimming lessons on

>Saturdays, but you can see that although she loves it, it takes so

>much out of her. OCD kids do not need added stress from the outside,

>they have enough on the inside!

>

>What I highly disagree with is that stress during pregnancy can cause

>OCD (I think that's your theory). I believe it is highly hereditary,

>so you " pass " it on that way, but not from your stress. I have a

>sister-in-law who has OCD, but she is a calm person, very patient,

>never raises her voice, and moves at a snail's pace, so not franatic

>at all. (Her OCD is about checking things, pretty mild.) Yet her

>daughter wound up with severe OCD. I think if you have any mental

>health issues, it is very likely (unfortunately) that at least one of

>your children will have something too, although it can manifest itself

>differently (as in your case, you have anxiety and depression, in your

>daughter it came out in the form of OCD).

>

>nna.

>NY

>

>

>

>

> > > > I have been trying to find the right meds for my chronic

> > >depression,

> > > > (adult)ADD and anxiety for the past ten plus years. The best

> > >combo I have

> > > > had thus far is wellbutrin for the depression and zoloft for the

> > >anxiety

> > > > (taken simultaneously). I am now weaning off the wellbutrin and

> > >replacing

> > > > it with adderall for the ADD since I have re-entered school to

> > >pursue

> > > > teaching degree with a masters. I have not read all of the

> > >previous

> > > > messages, but I know how hard it is to live with dread and anxiety

> > >while

> > > > your mind is racing and having to wait so darn long for the meds

> > >to kick in

> > > > if they are in fact going to work. Hope that helps.

> > > > Jill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >From: " Jeff " <shiffra@c...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >< >

> > > > >Subject: RE: what is wrong with me-Sandy

> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:46:34 -0700

> > > > >

> > > > >I, too, was recently put on Wellbutrin. I had been on Zoloft 6

> > >years

> > > > >ago after my son was born. I believe the Zoloft " pooped out "

> > >because I

> > > > >was unable to get a good night's sleep and felt down. I have

> > >been on

> > > > >Wellbutrin now for about 3 weeks (1st week on 150 mg, 2nd and 3rd

> > >week

> > > > >on 300mg). I have had about 5 good days in the last 3 weeks.

> > >The other

> > > > >days I feel tired, light-headed, down, anxious, and just

> > >plain " out of

> > > > >sorts " . I am now seeing my daughter's psychiatrist and she

> > >continues to

> > > > >assure me that I need to give it time. I will be interested to

> > >see what

> > > > >your doctor says. Let us know...

> > > > >

> > > > >LKS (not Jeff)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > what is wrong with me

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks to all who responded. I was put on wellbutrin by my obgyn.

> > >I do

> > > > >think I should see a p-doc and do a symptoms test. I felt

> > >inattentive

> > > > >and distracted before the wellbutrin, but it does make me feel

> > >more

> > > > >anxious and my heart beats funny sometimes. So the only way to

> > >figure

> > > > >it out is go in! Never thought I would see a psychiatrist. lol.

> > >Thanks

> > > > >again for your input.

> > > > >Sandy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

> > >accessed

> > > > >at: / .

> > > > >Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> > > > >http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

> > >Wagner,

> > > > >Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators

> > >are

> > > > > Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes,

> > >Joye,

> > > > >Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription

> > >issues

> > > > >or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

> > > > >louisharkins@y... , louisharkins@h... ,

> > > > >louisharkins@g... .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I totally agree.

(High School teacher in TExas)

Sandy and all parents in this forum,

I apologize for the lecture, but when I get on a role, I just cannot stop!

In my pursuance of a secondary certification, I intend on using it to touch

the lives of my students and set them up for emotional success in addition

to scholastic success.

Any comments? Would love to hear what others think- whether agree or

disagree. Maybe if we dig a bit deeper, we can come up with some solutions.

Jill in Michigan (anybody else in metro Detroit?)

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I totally agree.

(High School teacher in TExas)

Sandy and all parents in this forum,

I apologize for the lecture, but when I get on a role, I just cannot stop!

In my pursuance of a secondary certification, I intend on using it to touch

the lives of my students and set them up for emotional success in addition

to scholastic success.

Any comments? Would love to hear what others think- whether agree or

disagree. Maybe if we dig a bit deeper, we can come up with some solutions.

Jill in Michigan (anybody else in metro Detroit?)

[Guest guest]

Both of my pregnancies were easy and joyful and both of my kids have OCD.

The only difference between the two pregnancies was the severity of my asthma

and since both girls have OCD, I don't think that contributed either. Kelley in

NV

[Guest guest]

Both of my pregnancies were easy and joyful and both of my kids have OCD.

The only difference between the two pregnancies was the severity of my asthma

and since both girls have OCD, I don't think that contributed either. Kelley in

NV