Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 What's up here? Caring Medical is an alternative medical facility in Oak Park, Ill. They are offering ALL forms of ozone therapy at their clinic. How can they do that legally? Re: ozone options http://www.caringmedical.com/therapies/ozonetherapy.asp Looks like this place does all forms of ozone treatment ---------------------------------------------------- Sue Thomson Phone 07 3356 6271 6 Antill Street Mobile 04 0946 6271 Wilston QLD 4051 Fax 07 3352 6619 ---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 What's up here? Caring Medical is an alternative medical facility in Oak Park, Ill. They are offering ALL forms of ozone therapy at their clinic. How can they do that legally? Re: ozone options http://www.caringmedical.com/therapies/ozonetherapy.asp Looks like this place does all forms of ozone treatment ---------------------------------------------------- Sue Thomson Phone 07 3356 6271 6 Antill Street Mobile 04 0946 6271 Wilston QLD 4051 Fax 07 3352 6619 ---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Hi Saul. Okay, so with a sauna the ozone goes into the skin and into the lymph, I would expect it also goes into the blood. Love that. On the apology. Thank you, but. . . I didn't take offense. It is hard to know when you can't hear a persons tone of voice. For future referece, my tone is always kindness and interest and I consider my conversations with you just that. Conversations. Conversations with a friend. So just for the record, when I am asking questions and wondering and questioning, it is in the pursuit of truth and I don't have a problem with being corrected in my wrong thinking. I am pursuing the truth and am not thinned skinned. If I make a challenging statement it is in the effort to understand. There is no hostility or defensiveness there. Just a sincere desire to fully understand. My response to your suggestion that I needed to cleanse was not a defense, just sharing what I know about me, in response. I think the dry skin issue is a possible part of the clue. I have always had dry skin, as far back as I can remember. When I do internal oils, as fish oil and evening primrose oil and coconut oil/butter, etc. I do okay. If I did not do these I would be painfully dry. I don't have any thryroid issues, as far as I know, so I don't think it is that. I have tried repeatedly to do flax oil or borage and get profoundly depressed, the opposite of who I normally am. I have met a handful of other people with the same experience. When you chat with Udo, you might ask him if he has a clue as to why this would be. Three days on flax and I literally feel like dying, like there is no reason to live. It is really quite remarkable, and borage is even worse, Takes one day to get there. It is not survivable, it is that extreme. Relief comes in just one day of not taking it. I bounce right back. Evening primrose oil is the opposite. Boosts the mood. Recently Gail posted about the b12 that really supports the nervous system. Methyl something or other. Smile. Well I am going to try that and see if I can get my nervous system up to speed so that I can tolerate an ozone rash and not feel like I'm going to freak out. Chuckle. Trace and macro minerals seem to help, and omega three's help, but I think the b12 might help also. If anyone else has any recommendation for a strong nervous system, I would like to hear them. Thanks all Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, No, the transdermal ozone can get to the lymph without going through the blood stream. There is a complete branching lymph system, as you know, which is entirely separated from the blood vessels. One of the ways of going direct into the lymph is to put the end of the tubing under your armpit, and holding your arm against your body. As I remember, Miracle soap has hydrogen peroxide in it. That is also an oxidant, although less poweful than ozone. That might be why it takes a couple of applications before you see a reaction. As Ken and others have posted, after a few saunas, the red rash appears. It gets worse as you do more, and then it subsides, even if you do a lot more. So this is not a reaction to ozone, per se. This is the result of toxin release. As the level of toxins drops, the reaction fades. In Ken's case, he say the red rash return after a good number of more saunas. Why? Because he has now peeled down to another layer of the onion and is working at that level. He started with 450 lipomas. He is down to 165, last count. He is much cleaner than he was. But he is not 100% cleaned out, or he wouldn't have any lipomas. The fact that the rash returned is confirmation of the internal state of affairs. It takes a lot of grit to face that rash again, and I give him full marks for tenacity. Since the ozone literature is not rich in articles on transdermal ozone application, we are on our own in this. One area that has not been addressed much is the fact that ozone works largely through the mechanism of lipid oxidation. The lipid peroxides are the first step in the cascade reaction that follows, with perhaps another dozen reactive oxygen species following. If the skin has insufficient levels of lipids (fats) then I suppose it is possibly that the oxidation of some of them might cause irritation. If this is correct, it would explain why Jim got relief from the rash by using emu oil. However, this doesn't explain fully why the ozonated olive oil wouldn't have the same effect in replacing dermal lipid levels. Perhaps it is not close enough to human lipids to act as replacement. I will try and get in touch with my friend Udo Erasmus, a world expert on fats, and see if he has an answer. At any rate, I apologize for sounding a bit heavy handed with my remark about the level of toxicity in your body. You obviously have done a good job in keeping the internal terrain in good shape. This makes the question of your reaction more mysterious, and I wonder whether the dermal lipid level is the key. Is your skin dry by nature? Have you tanned or burned a lot? You are in a rural area, I believe, so I would presume that you have had a good deal of sun exposure. Correct me if I am wrong. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Hi Gail. Since figuring out that my problem all along was poisoning myself with grains, and since getting off of grains, I don't really consider myself a cfs person any longer. I consider myself a person with grain intolerance. Which, from what I have studied, is something you can get past with diet. So I am working on that. Never the less, I do consider that, tho I have done alot of cleansing, there is still alot to do. Still. . .I just continue to feel like my response to ozonated olive oil was more of a burn than a rash. I would like to be wrong. Incidentally I used a chlorophyll oointment made by Standard Process on the ozone burn and on the m2 burn and it helped some. It does stain clothing horribly tho, so I wouldn't recommend it except at bedtime with a tee shirt that you don't mind staining. Ozonated olive oil also leaves a smell in clothing that doesn't seem to come out after many washings, so I would recommend not using it near clothing either. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options > > But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. =================== Hi Donna, Just thinking out loud here. If according to Dr. Cheney our liver is not detoxing correctly or efficiently, correct? That is people with cfids. That being the case, I would think we would always be in a state of toxicity to some degree even with various cleanses. Also, with our liver not working correctly, I would think it would take something very powerful to fully detox and probably take a while to get every cleaned up. Just the way the liver cleanse made you so sick would be an indicator to me of a very toxic liver. I can easily see how we would be toxic even with years of cleansing. If we weren't, I would think we would be well. Something isn't working somehow or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Dear Donna, Taking too much flax oil can cause depression. My wife experienced that. You have to find a level that works for you. Evening primrose is a good oil and highly recommended. Dry sking and a digestion problem with fats speaks of the liver not doing its job. If you had your gallbladder removed, this is what we would expect to see. If you still have your gallbladder, then it means that the liver is not functioning at its optimum. Milkthistle, mariendistel (European liquid milkthistle) and dandelion root are the herbs associated with liver functioning. I am sure you know of them. Beyond that, there is the liver cleanse. I can't remember if you were able to do that or not. It contains beets, which on their own are a good liver cleanser. If you juice beets daily, that will go a long way towards improving digestion, as they contain hydrochloric acid (betaine). Methyl cobalamin is the B12 that is most available. Brewer's yeast is an excellent source of B vitamins, with blackstrap molasses as a close second. It can be made into a lovely tea just by dropping a tablespoon in a cup of hot water. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:21:59 -0800 Hi Saul. Okay, so with a sauna the ozone goes into the skin and into the lymph, I would expect it also goes into the blood. Love that. On the apology. Thank you, but. . . I didn't take offense. It is hard to know when you can't hear a persons tone of voice. For future referece, my tone is always kindness and interest and I consider my conversations with you just that. Conversations. Conversations with a friend. So just for the record, when I am asking questions and wondering and questioning, it is in the pursuit of truth and I don't have a problem with being corrected in my wrong thinking. I am pursuing the truth and am not thinned skinned. If I make a challenging statement it is in the effort to understand. There is no hostility or defensiveness there. Just a sincere desire to fully understand. My response to your suggestion that I needed to cleanse was not a defense, just sharing what I know about me, in response. I think the dry skin issue is a possible part of the clue. I have always had dry skin, as far back as I can remember. When I do internal oils, as fish oil and evening primrose oil and coconut oil/butter, etc. I do okay. If I did not do these I would be painfully dry. I don't have any thryroid issues, as far as I know, so I don't think it is that. I have tried repeatedly to do flax oil or borage and get profoundly depressed, the opposite of who I normally am. I have met a handful of other people with the same experience. When you chat with Udo, you might ask him if he has a clue as to why this would be. Three days on flax and I literally feel like dying, like there is no reason to live. It is really quite remarkable, and borage is even worse, Takes one day to get there. It is not survivable, it is that extreme. Relief comes in just one day of not taking it. I bounce right back. Evening primrose oil is the opposite. Boosts the mood. Recently Gail posted about the b12 that really supports the nervous system. Methyl something or other. Smile. Well I am going to try that and see if I can get my nervous system up to speed so that I can tolerate an ozone rash and not feel like I'm going to freak out. Chuckle. Trace and macro minerals seem to help, and omega three's help, but I think the b12 might help also. If anyone else has any recommendation for a strong nervous system, I would like to hear them. Thanks all Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, No, the transdermal ozone can get to the lymph without going through the blood stream. There is a complete branching lymph system, as you know, which is entirely separated from the blood vessels. One of the ways of going direct into the lymph is to put the end of the tubing under your armpit, and holding your arm against your body. As I remember, Miracle soap has hydrogen peroxide in it. That is also an oxidant, although less poweful than ozone. That might be why it takes a couple of applications before you see a reaction. As Ken and others have posted, after a few saunas, the red rash appears. It gets worse as you do more, and then it subsides, even if you do a lot more. So this is not a reaction to ozone, per se. This is the result of toxin release. As the level of toxins drops, the reaction fades. In Ken's case, he say the red rash return after a good number of more saunas. Why? Because he has now peeled down to another layer of the onion and is working at that level. He started with 450 lipomas. He is down to 165, last count. He is much cleaner than he was. But he is not 100% cleaned out, or he wouldn't have any lipomas. The fact that the rash returned is confirmation of the internal state of affairs. It takes a lot of grit to face that rash again, and I give him full marks for tenacity. Since the ozone literature is not rich in articles on transdermal ozone application, we are on our own in this. One area that has not been addressed much is the fact that ozone works largely through the mechanism of lipid oxidation. The lipid peroxides are the first step in the cascade reaction that follows, with perhaps another dozen reactive oxygen species following. If the skin has insufficient levels of lipids (fats) then I suppose it is possibly that the oxidation of some of them might cause irritation. If this is correct, it would explain why Jim got relief from the rash by using emu oil. However, this doesn't explain fully why the ozonated olive oil wouldn't have the same effect in replacing dermal lipid levels. Perhaps it is not close enough to human lipids to act as replacement. I will try and get in touch with my friend Udo Erasmus, a world expert on fats, and see if he has an answer. At any rate, I apologize for sounding a bit heavy handed with my remark about the level of toxicity in your body. You obviously have done a good job in keeping the internal terrain in good shape. This makes the question of your reaction more mysterious, and I wonder whether the dermal lipid level is the key. Is your skin dry by nature? Have you tanned or burned a lot? You are in a rural area, I believe, so I would presume that you have had a good deal of sun exposure. Correct me if I am wrong. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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