Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Okay, so I have watched the Ed McCabe Brisbane Australia video about three times and he says repeatedly that people have done iv ozone in varying ways and found themselves free of such serious things as end stage AIDS illnesses in two weeks time. So I am wondering where a person goes to get this done now a days. This video is about ten years old and so the resource info is not up to date. It is an awesome video and if anyone wants one I will get them and offer them to the group at a discount if I get enough interest. It is about three hours of excellent oxygen/ozone teaching. At the time of the making of this video people were going to mexico and getting various kinds of ozone and some were self treating with rectal insulflation, but the most powerful seems to be direct IV or auto hemo therapy. So does anyone have the scoop on this. With an ozone sauna you have the power to treat at home, but with the iv options you skip the rash and need for long term endurance and with a person who is end stage anything, I think the option to do direct iv ozone would be important. So I am wondering what our options are for this. Is anyone in the US doing this? If not, where does a person go in Mexico to get it done? Or Germany? Or Canada? Anyone know? Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dear Donna, We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in 12 years. There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full power. Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because you don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon cleanses, kidney cleanses, etc. Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED TOXINS? This is a fatal blindspot in the western allopathic approach to medicine. The idea that you can have healing: WITHOUT DISCOMFORT and REAL FAST, too are mainly American ideas, fostered by advertising and commercialism. The European approach is more sensible, and some countries have yearly paid spa retreats for their workers. That way the toxins are cleaned out on a regular basis, and medicine moves into prevention, rather than CRISIS MANAGEMENT. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: ozone options Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 03:40:25 -0800 Okay, so I have watched the Ed McCabe Brisbane Australia video about three times and he says repeatedly that people have done iv ozone in varying ways and found themselves free of such serious things as end stage AIDS illnesses in two weeks time. So I am wondering where a person goes to get this done now a days. This video is about ten years old and so the resource info is not up to date. It is an awesome video and if anyone wants one I will get them and offer them to the group at a discount if I get enough interest. It is about three hours of excellent oxygen/ozone teaching. At the time of the making of this video people were going to mexico and getting various kinds of ozone and some were self treating with rectal insulflation, but the most powerful seems to be direct IV or auto hemo therapy. So does anyone have the scoop on this. With an ozone sauna you have the power to treat at home, but with the iv options you skip the rash and need for long term endurance and with a person who is end stage anything, I think the option to do direct iv ozone would be important. So I am wondering what our options are for this. Is anyone in the US doing this? If not, where does a person go in Mexico to get it done? Or Germany? Or Canada? Anyone know? Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dear Donna, We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in 12 years. There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full power. Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because you don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon cleanses, kidney cleanses, etc. Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED TOXINS? This is a fatal blindspot in the western allopathic approach to medicine. The idea that you can have healing: WITHOUT DISCOMFORT and REAL FAST, too are mainly American ideas, fostered by advertising and commercialism. The European approach is more sensible, and some countries have yearly paid spa retreats for their workers. That way the toxins are cleaned out on a regular basis, and medicine moves into prevention, rather than CRISIS MANAGEMENT. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: ozone options Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 03:40:25 -0800 Okay, so I have watched the Ed McCabe Brisbane Australia video about three times and he says repeatedly that people have done iv ozone in varying ways and found themselves free of such serious things as end stage AIDS illnesses in two weeks time. So I am wondering where a person goes to get this done now a days. This video is about ten years old and so the resource info is not up to date. It is an awesome video and if anyone wants one I will get them and offer them to the group at a discount if I get enough interest. It is about three hours of excellent oxygen/ozone teaching. At the time of the making of this video people were going to mexico and getting various kinds of ozone and some were self treating with rectal insulflation, but the most powerful seems to be direct IV or auto hemo therapy. So does anyone have the scoop on this. With an ozone sauna you have the power to treat at home, but with the iv options you skip the rash and need for long term endurance and with a person who is end stage anything, I think the option to do direct iv ozone would be important. So I am wondering what our options are for this. Is anyone in the US doing this? If not, where does a person go in Mexico to get it done? Or Germany? Or Canada? Anyone know? Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Saul. Replies in text below. http://www.excellentthings.com RE: ozone options Dear Donna, We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in 12 years. ### This is excellent information. Love that! ### There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. ### Not being rude here, just sincerely asking. So then, since he clearly tells of several cases where the people were free of all their issues in two weeks, is he lying, or are the doctors who told him this lying????### The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full power. Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because you don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon cleanses, kidney cleanses, etc. ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people the rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging for the nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash from ozonated olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it was just in a small area, maybe four inches square. It is not just itchy it is painful and made me feel jangled and crazy. So when I think of doing a sauna and having all over body painful itch, I just don't think my nervous system is up for it. I don't consider Jim Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him to press through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. ### Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED TOXINS? ### I don't understand this question. The lymph comes from the blood, and oxygen goes into the tissues from the blood and into the lymphatic system from the blood, so why would iv ozone not be the most direct route to get ozone to the lymph. And since your blood goes to every organ and every tissue, even bone, why would it not reach toxins no matter where they were stored? ### Thanks Saul, Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Saul. Replies in text below. http://www.excellentthings.com RE: ozone options Dear Donna, We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in 12 years. ### This is excellent information. Love that! ### There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. ### Not being rude here, just sincerely asking. So then, since he clearly tells of several cases where the people were free of all their issues in two weeks, is he lying, or are the doctors who told him this lying????### The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full power. Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because you don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon cleanses, kidney cleanses, etc. ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people the rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging for the nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash from ozonated olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it was just in a small area, maybe four inches square. It is not just itchy it is painful and made me feel jangled and crazy. So when I think of doing a sauna and having all over body painful itch, I just don't think my nervous system is up for it. I don't consider Jim Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him to press through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. ### Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED TOXINS? ### I don't understand this question. The lymph comes from the blood, and oxygen goes into the tissues from the blood and into the lymphatic system from the blood, so why would iv ozone not be the most direct route to get ozone to the lymph. And since your blood goes to every organ and every tissue, even bone, why would it not reach toxins no matter where they were stored? ### Thanks Saul, Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Very interesting. Hum. . . So when you say you injected it, do you mean in muscle or vein? Also, what was the potency of the ozone you injected? I really, really want to know the truth about this. Another list member contacted me privately and said a friend of hers when to Dr. Schallenberg in NV and got IV injections for a fungal issue and it didn't fix it. So I wonder what the deal is. Does it work or not? Are the wrong protocols being used??? Wassup? Smile. Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Donna, I injected 50cc o3 daily, 200+ times in a period of about 11 months, to try and eradicate hcv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Very interesting. Hum. . . So when you say you injected it, do you mean in muscle or vein? Also, what was the potency of the ozone you injected? I really, really want to know the truth about this. Another list member contacted me privately and said a friend of hers when to Dr. Schallenberg in NV and got IV injections for a fungal issue and it didn't fix it. So I wonder what the deal is. Does it work or not? Are the wrong protocols being used??? Wassup? Smile. Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Donna, I injected 50cc o3 daily, 200+ times in a period of about 11 months, to try and eradicate hcv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Saul. Okay, so the ozone from doing saunas does reach the lymph? Doesn't it have to reach the lymph by entering the blood stream? On the ozone rash being due to toxins. I just don't totally believe this. I realize you are the expert on this and you say that eventually people don't get the rash and so it has to be toxins. But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. I just don't see my reaction to ozonated olive oil as a toxic response. I get the same rash from miracle two soap, so that says to me it is caused by being so alkaline. It turns my skin bright red and it burns and itches. That seems like an alkaline burn to me. One or two applications doesn't do it, but four or five does. Is that totally wrong thinking? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a long concerted effort. The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in the blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no disease. Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the disease. Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with toxins and is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The biggest red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an itchy detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the hint and follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi Saul. Okay, so the ozone from doing saunas does reach the lymph? Doesn't it have to reach the lymph by entering the blood stream? On the ozone rash being due to toxins. I just don't totally believe this. I realize you are the expert on this and you say that eventually people don't get the rash and so it has to be toxins. But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. I just don't see my reaction to ozonated olive oil as a toxic response. I get the same rash from miracle two soap, so that says to me it is caused by being so alkaline. It turns my skin bright red and it burns and itches. That seems like an alkaline burn to me. One or two applications doesn't do it, but four or five does. Is that totally wrong thinking? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a long concerted effort. The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in the blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no disease. Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the disease. Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with toxins and is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The biggest red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an itchy detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the hint and follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Donna, I injected 50cc o3 daily, 200+ times in a period of about 11 months, to try and eradicate hcv. In the beginning, at about #30, I was feeling and looking better than usual, and had almost no symptoms. But, as time went on, there was less improvement, and then a reversal of improvement. I was testing viral load, and got down to 66,000, which is extremely low, but still did not eliminate. When I finally gave up, my appearance and digestion were worse than when I started. I have heard several opinions that there is something wrong with my approach, that I have repressed anger, that I failed to address detox pathways, and so forth; In my opinon, iv 03 is good on a small, maintenance kind of schedule, perhaps 30 cc, 2-3 times a week, or close. I think above that creates oxidative stress that could possibly be countered with iv vit C, but that would cost approx $150 per day. I've searched the net for people who have been " cured " of hcv, hiv, thru iv 03. I haven't found them yet, but if you do, please send them my way; I'd like to ask a few questions..... My best advice is to get a generator and do rectal insufflations, and/or the others.. Unless a clinic can offer solid proof of success, you may be wasting your money. I'm not saying that 03 is not valid. I would not part with my generator. I'm just sayig that iv 03 is, in my view, too harsh for a body that has been under chronic, viral stress for a long time. Perhaps a young, recently infected person would have a better shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Donna, I injected 50cc o3 daily, 200+ times in a period of about 11 months, to try and eradicate hcv. In the beginning, at about #30, I was feeling and looking better than usual, and had almost no symptoms. But, as time went on, there was less improvement, and then a reversal of improvement. I was testing viral load, and got down to 66,000, which is extremely low, but still did not eliminate. When I finally gave up, my appearance and digestion were worse than when I started. I have heard several opinions that there is something wrong with my approach, that I have repressed anger, that I failed to address detox pathways, and so forth; In my opinon, iv 03 is good on a small, maintenance kind of schedule, perhaps 30 cc, 2-3 times a week, or close. I think above that creates oxidative stress that could possibly be countered with iv vit C, but that would cost approx $150 per day. I've searched the net for people who have been " cured " of hcv, hiv, thru iv 03. I haven't found them yet, but if you do, please send them my way; I'd like to ask a few questions..... My best advice is to get a generator and do rectal insufflations, and/or the others.. Unless a clinic can offer solid proof of success, you may be wasting your money. I'm not saying that 03 is not valid. I would not part with my generator. I'm just sayig that iv 03 is, in my view, too harsh for a body that has been under chronic, viral stress for a long time. Perhaps a young, recently infected person would have a better shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Donna, I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a long concerted effort. The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in the blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no disease. Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the disease. Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with toxins and is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The biggest red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an itchy detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the hint and follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:35:13 -0800 Hi Saul. Replies in text below. http://www.excellentthings.com RE: ozone options Dear Donna, We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in 12 years. ### This is excellent information. Love that! ### There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. ### Not being rude here, just sincerely asking. So then, since he clearly tells of several cases where the people were free of all their issues in two weeks, is he lying, or are the doctors who told him this lying????### The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full power. Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because you don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon cleanses, kidney cleanses, etc. ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people the rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging for the nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash from ozonated olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it was just in a small area, maybe four inches square. It is not just itchy it is painful and made me feel jangled and crazy. So when I think of doing a sauna and having all over body painful itch, I just don't think my nervous system is up for it. I don't consider Jim Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him to press through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. ### Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED TOXINS? ### I don't understand this question. The lymph comes from the blood, and oxygen goes into the tissues from the blood and into the lymphatic system from the blood, so why would iv ozone not be the most direct route to get ozone to the lymph. And since your blood goes to every organ and every tissue, even bone, why would it not reach toxins no matter where they were stored? ### Thanks Saul, Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Saul, you said " The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. " When you do such things as vaginal insufflation which directs ozone to the lymph, does that in turn effect the blood as well, or strictly the lymph. And if so, would it be necessary to do both vaginal insufflation and rectal insufflation to get both the blood and the lymph cleansed? I ask because doing vaginal insufflations is much easier than rectal, but if I need to add it I will. Thanks, > Dear Donna, > > I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. > Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked > out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? > No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying > chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a > long concerted effort. > > The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from > the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. > Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood > will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the > lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the > clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are > getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of > weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the > " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in > the > blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS > NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. > > Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no > disease. > Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the > disease. > Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with > toxins and > is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The > biggest > red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers > are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the > body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. > > Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an > itchy > detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the > hint and > follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > Reply-oxyplus > <oxyplus > > Subject: Re: ozone options > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:35:13 -0800 > > Hi Saul. Replies in text below. > > http://www.excellentthings.com > > > RE: ozone options > > > Dear Donna, > > We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. > We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in > 12 years. > > ### This is excellent information. Love that! ### > > There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. > No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. > > ### Not being rude here, just sincerely asking. So then, since he > clearly tells of several cases where the people were free of all their > issues in two weeks, is he lying, or are the doctors who told him this > lying????### > > The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full > power. > Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because > you > don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a > thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon > cleanses, > kidney cleanses, etc. > > ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people the > rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging for the > nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash from ozonated > olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it was just in a small > area, maybe four inches square. It is not just itchy it is painful and made > me feel jangled and crazy. So when I think of doing a sauna and having all > over body painful itch, I just don't think my nervous system is up for it. > I don't consider Jim Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him > to press through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of > others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. ### > > > Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, > is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED > TOXINS? > > ### I don't understand this question. The lymph comes from the blood, > and oxygen goes into the tissues from the blood and into the lymphatic > system from the blood, so why would iv ozone not be the most direct route to > get ozone to the lymph. And since your blood goes to every organ and every > tissue, even bone, why would it not reach toxins no matter where they were > stored? ### > > > Thanks Saul, > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Saul, you said " The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. " When you do such things as vaginal insufflation which directs ozone to the lymph, does that in turn effect the blood as well, or strictly the lymph. And if so, would it be necessary to do both vaginal insufflation and rectal insufflation to get both the blood and the lymph cleansed? I ask because doing vaginal insufflations is much easier than rectal, but if I need to add it I will. Thanks, > Dear Donna, > > I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. > Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked > out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? > No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying > chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a > long concerted effort. > > The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from > the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. > Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood > will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the > lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the > clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are > getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of > weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the > " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in > the > blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS > NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. > > Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no > disease. > Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the > disease. > Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with > toxins and > is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The > biggest > red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers > are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the > body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. > > Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an > itchy > detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the > hint and > follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> > Reply-oxyplus > <oxyplus > > Subject: Re: ozone options > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:35:13 -0800 > > Hi Saul. Replies in text below. > > http://www.excellentthings.com > > > RE: ozone options > > > Dear Donna, > > We have treated many people with HIV and fullblown AIDS as well. > We have not used direct IV and we have not lost a single person in > 12 years. > > ### This is excellent information. Love that! ### > > There is a considerable amount of outdated information in that video. > No one is cured in 2 weeks of anything except the flu or a cold. > > ### Not being rude here, just sincerely asking. So then, since he > clearly tells of several cases where the people were free of all their > issues in two weeks, is he lying, or are the doctors who told him this > lying????### > > The rash is a symptom of total full-on healing, with the body at full > power. > Trying to avoid it is like trying to take a shower in a rain coat because > you > don't want to get wet. Far better to embrace the body's power and do a > thorough job of cleansing, inside and out, icluding liver cleanses, colon > cleanses, > kidney cleanses, etc. > > ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people the > rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging for the > nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash from ozonated > olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it was just in a small > area, maybe four inches square. It is not just itchy it is painful and made > me feel jangled and crazy. So when I think of doing a sauna and having all > over body painful itch, I just don't think my nervous system is up for it. > I don't consider Jim Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him > to press through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of > others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. ### > > > Treating the blood only, whether by direct injection or autohemotherapy, > is an allopathic approach. WHAT ABOUT THE LYMPH? WAT ABOUT STORED > TOXINS? > > ### I don't understand this question. The lymph comes from the blood, > and oxygen goes into the tissues from the blood and into the lymphatic > system from the blood, so why would iv ozone not be the most direct route to > get ozone to the lymph. And since your blood goes to every organ and every > tissue, even bone, why would it not reach toxins no matter where they were > stored? ### > > > Thanks Saul, > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Donna, No, the transdermal ozone can get to the lymph without going through the blood stream. There is a complete branching lymph system, as you know, which is entirely separated from the blood vessels. One of the ways of going direct into the lymph is to put the end of the tubing under your armpit, and holding your arm against your body. As I remember, Miracle soap has hydrogen peroxide in it. That is also an oxidant, although less poweful than ozone. That might be why it takes a couple of applications before you see a reaction. As Ken and others have posted, after a few saunas, the red rash appears. It gets worse as you do more, and then it subsides, even if you do a lot more. So this is not a reaction to ozone, per se. This is the result of toxin release. As the level of toxins drops, the reaction fades. In Ken's case, he say the red rash return after a good number of more saunas. Why? Because he has now peeled down to another layer of the onion and is working at that level. He started with 450 lipomas. He is down to 165, last count. He is much cleaner than he was. But he is not 100% cleaned out, or he wouldn't have any lipomas. The fact that the rash returned is confirmation of the internal state of affairs. It takes a lot of grit to face that rash again, and I give him full marks for tenacity. Since the ozone literature is not rich in articles on transdermal ozone application, we are on our own in this. One area that has not been addressed much is the fact that ozone works largely through the mechanism of lipid oxidation. The lipid peroxides are the first step in the cascade reaction that follows, with perhaps another dozen reactive oxygen species following. If the skin has insufficient levels of lipids (fats) then I suppose it is possibly that the oxidation of some of them might cause irritation. If this is correct, it would explain why Jim got relief from the rash by using emu oil. However, this doesn't explain fully why the ozonated olive oil wouldn't have the same effect in replacing dermal lipid levels. Perhaps it is not close enough to human lipids to act as replacement. I will try and get in touch with my friend Udo Erasmus, a world expert on fats, and see if he has an answer. At any rate, I apologize for sounding a bit heavy handed with my remark about the level of toxicity in your body. You obviously have done a good job in keeping the internal terrain in good shape. This makes the question of your reaction more mysterious, and I wonder whether the dermal lipid level is the key. Is your skin dry by nature? Have you tanned or burned a lot? You are in a rural area, I believe, so I would presume that you have had a good deal of sun exposure. Correct me if I am wrong. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:49:17 -0800 Hi Saul. Okay, so the ozone from doing saunas does reach the lymph? Doesn't it have to reach the lymph by entering the blood stream? On the ozone rash being due to toxins. I just don't totally believe this. I realize you are the expert on this and you say that eventually people don't get the rash and so it has to be toxins. But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. I just don't see my reaction to ozonated olive oil as a toxic response. I get the same rash from miracle two soap, so that says to me it is caused by being so alkaline. It turns my skin bright red and it burns and itches. That seems like an alkaline burn to me. One or two applications doesn't do it, but four or five does. Is that totally wrong thinking? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a long concerted effort. The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in the blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no disease. Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the disease. Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with toxins and is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The biggest red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an itchy detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the hint and follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Donna, No, the transdermal ozone can get to the lymph without going through the blood stream. There is a complete branching lymph system, as you know, which is entirely separated from the blood vessels. One of the ways of going direct into the lymph is to put the end of the tubing under your armpit, and holding your arm against your body. As I remember, Miracle soap has hydrogen peroxide in it. That is also an oxidant, although less poweful than ozone. That might be why it takes a couple of applications before you see a reaction. As Ken and others have posted, after a few saunas, the red rash appears. It gets worse as you do more, and then it subsides, even if you do a lot more. So this is not a reaction to ozone, per se. This is the result of toxin release. As the level of toxins drops, the reaction fades. In Ken's case, he say the red rash return after a good number of more saunas. Why? Because he has now peeled down to another layer of the onion and is working at that level. He started with 450 lipomas. He is down to 165, last count. He is much cleaner than he was. But he is not 100% cleaned out, or he wouldn't have any lipomas. The fact that the rash returned is confirmation of the internal state of affairs. It takes a lot of grit to face that rash again, and I give him full marks for tenacity. Since the ozone literature is not rich in articles on transdermal ozone application, we are on our own in this. One area that has not been addressed much is the fact that ozone works largely through the mechanism of lipid oxidation. The lipid peroxides are the first step in the cascade reaction that follows, with perhaps another dozen reactive oxygen species following. If the skin has insufficient levels of lipids (fats) then I suppose it is possibly that the oxidation of some of them might cause irritation. If this is correct, it would explain why Jim got relief from the rash by using emu oil. However, this doesn't explain fully why the ozonated olive oil wouldn't have the same effect in replacing dermal lipid levels. Perhaps it is not close enough to human lipids to act as replacement. I will try and get in touch with my friend Udo Erasmus, a world expert on fats, and see if he has an answer. At any rate, I apologize for sounding a bit heavy handed with my remark about the level of toxicity in your body. You obviously have done a good job in keeping the internal terrain in good shape. This makes the question of your reaction more mysterious, and I wonder whether the dermal lipid level is the key. Is your skin dry by nature? Have you tanned or burned a lot? You are in a rural area, I believe, so I would presume that you have had a good deal of sun exposure. Correct me if I am wrong. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:49:17 -0800 Hi Saul. Okay, so the ozone from doing saunas does reach the lymph? Doesn't it have to reach the lymph by entering the blood stream? On the ozone rash being due to toxins. I just don't totally believe this. I realize you are the expert on this and you say that eventually people don't get the rash and so it has to be toxins. But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. I just don't see my reaction to ozonated olive oil as a toxic response. I get the same rash from miracle two soap, so that says to me it is caused by being so alkaline. It turns my skin bright red and it burns and itches. That seems like an alkaline burn to me. One or two applications doesn't do it, but four or five does. Is that totally wrong thinking? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Re: ozone options Dear Donna, I would say that the 2 week cure idea is overly optimistic. Certainly there are people who were on death's door who walked out the door after two weeks of ozone therapy, but was this a cure? No, it was the resolution of an acute episode. The underlying chronic condition was barely scratched. To get at that takes a long concerted effort. The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. If you read between the lines of the clinical reports from Germany, you will notice that the patients who are getting autohemotherapy return yearly, in most cases, for another couple of weeks of AHT. WHY? Because the stored toxins are not touched, and the " booster " series is required in order to bring the virus or toxin load in the blood down again enough so that the person will be functional. THIS IS NOT THE NATUROPATHIC WAY. This is an allopathic approach. Naturopathy states that if there are no toxins in the body there will be no disease. Conversely, the level of toxins corresponds to the seriousness of the disease. Life-threatening diseases mean that the body is filled to the brim with toxins and is attempting to draw attention to the seriousness of the situation. The biggest red flag the body can wave is cancer. Therefore, people with active cancers are the most toxified. With the ozone sauna, we clean them out, and then the body doesn't need the cancers anymore, and they are discarded. Extreme reactions to cleansing reveal extreme levels of toxicity. To get an itchy detox rash from ozonated olive oil is a big warning sign to you. Take the hint and follow through with a top-to-bottom cleanout. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear , You are in luck! Mother nature has provided an excellent delivery system and vaginal insufflation ends up with about 3/4 in the lymph system and 1/4 in the blood. So you are covering all the bases! My wife has often remarked when she is doing vaginal insufflation that she can feel it in her throat and eyes within a few minutes. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " ktomboaz " <ktomboaz@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:01:59 -0000 Saul, you said " The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. " When you do such things as vaginal insufflation which directs ozone to the lymph, does that in turn effect the blood as well, or strictly the lymph. And if so, would it be necessary to do both vaginal insufflation and rectal insufflation to get both the blood and the lymph cleansed? I ask because doing vaginal insufflations is much easier than rectal, but if I need to add it I will. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear , You are in luck! Mother nature has provided an excellent delivery system and vaginal insufflation ends up with about 3/4 in the lymph system and 1/4 in the blood. So you are covering all the bases! My wife has often remarked when she is doing vaginal insufflation that she can feel it in her throat and eyes within a few minutes. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " ktomboaz " <ktomboaz@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:01:59 -0000 Saul, you said " The lymph and the blood are separate, although the lymph comes from the blood. Cleansing the blood does NOT ensure cleansing of the lymph. Toxins are stored in the lymph and in fat. Ozone directed into the blood will clean the blood superbly, but that does NOT guarantee that the lymph or the fat are cleaned. " When you do such things as vaginal insufflation which directs ozone to the lymph, does that in turn effect the blood as well, or strictly the lymph. And if so, would it be necessary to do both vaginal insufflation and rectal insufflation to get both the blood and the lymph cleansed? I ask because doing vaginal insufflations is much easier than rectal, but if I need to add it I will. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > > >Ozone directed into the blood > will clean the blood superbly > Saul, Does ozone administered through a sauna clean the blood superbly? Dennis P.S. Glad to have you as a moderator and active participant to this list. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > > >Ozone directed into the blood > will clean the blood superbly > Saul, Does ozone administered through a sauna clean the blood superbly? Dennis P.S. Glad to have you as a moderator and active participant to this list. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Dennis, Yes, we have had feedback from darkfield microscopy on ozone sauna clients, and the technicains have reported perfectly clean blood. It just takes a little longer than direct IV or AHT. And don't have it looke at after just a dozen saunas. It will look awful at that point, as all the garbage is being released. Which emphasizes the point about the rash, because the release of the stored toxins after all the ozone ('reactive oxygen species') is used up, causes the body to take emergency action and push it out through the skin. Thanks for the kind words...glad to be of service. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: dlipter <dlipter@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: ozone options Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:31:40 -0500 > > >Ozone directed into the blood > will clean the blood superbly > Saul, Does ozone administered through a sauna clean the blood superbly? Dennis P.S. Glad to have you as a moderator and active participant to this list. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus & pgmarket=en-ca & RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn\ ..com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > > But I have done so much cleansing for many, many years. About the only thing I haven't done is an ozone sauna. I have done liver and kidney cleanses and bowel cleanses and have eaten organic for years and live where the air is clean and drink ozonated water, etc. =================== Hi Donna, Just thinking out loud here. If according to Dr. Cheney our liver is not detoxing correctly or efficiently, correct? That is people with cfids. That being the case, I would think we would always be in a state of toxicity to some degree even with various cleanses. Also, with our liver not working correctly, I would think it would take something very powerful to fully detox and probably take a while to get every cleaned up. Just the way the liver cleanse made you so sick would be an indicator to me of a very toxic liver. I can easily see how we would be toxic even with years of cleansing. If we weren't, I would think we would be well. Something isn't working somehow or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 http://www.caringmedical.com/therapies/ozonetherapy.asp Looks like this place does all forms of ozone treatment ---------------------------------------------------- Sue Thomson Phone 07 3356 6271 6 Antill Street Mobile 04 0946 6271 Wilston QLD 4051 Fax 07 3352 6619 ---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Has anyone read or have access to The Use of Ozone in Medicine (1999) by Renate Viebahn-Haensler. I have been told that she refers to ozone allergy somewhere but I have not seen the book. I know others don't believe in the concept - I would like to see what this text says. Sue > > > ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people >the rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging >for the nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash >from ozonated olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it >was just in a small area, maybe four inches square. It is not just >itchy it is painful and made me feel jangled and crazy. So when I >think of doing a sauna and having all over body painful itch, I just >don't think my nervous system is up for it. I don't consider Jim >Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him to press >through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of >others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. >### > ---------------------------------------------------- Sue Thomson Phone 07 3356 6271 6 Antill Street Mobile 04 0946 6271 Wilston QLD 4051 Fax 07 3352 6619 ---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Has anyone read or have access to The Use of Ozone in Medicine (1999) by Renate Viebahn-Haensler. I have been told that she refers to ozone allergy somewhere but I have not seen the book. I know others don't believe in the concept - I would like to see what this text says. Sue > > > ### The only problem I have with this idea is that for some people >the rash is not just a hardship to endure. It is too challenging >for the nervous system of some people. I have gotten an ozone rash >from ozonated olive oil that was so extreme I couldn't sleep, and it >was just in a small area, maybe four inches square. It is not just >itchy it is painful and made me feel jangled and crazy. So when I >think of doing a sauna and having all over body painful itch, I just >don't think my nervous system is up for it. I don't consider Jim >Lambert a weak person and yet it was too much for him to press >through. So, being realistic about my limitations and those of >others with similar neuro challenges, I am concerned about the rash. >### > ---------------------------------------------------- Sue Thomson Phone 07 3356 6271 6 Antill Street Mobile 04 0946 6271 Wilston QLD 4051 Fax 07 3352 6619 ---------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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