Re: Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

[Guest guest]

Dear Group:

I have the results of two test on warm room temperature ozonated water over

time.

1-14-04 test conditions: Charged the water as in previous message. Left

ORP probe in the ozonated water during the test. The left column is the

time, the right ORP

3:08=975

3:19=990

3:30=1011

3:41=989

3:53=985

4:05=970

4:33=970

went shopping

9:17=312

So it seems that for 1 1/2 hours the ozone concentration was stable, and 6

hours later the charge was gone.

1-16-04 test conditions. Started with probe in plain water, then tested the

ozonated water for 10 minutes and returned probe back to plain water. Test

started 11:24 am and ended 7:58 pm. The number on left are the time, and

ORP on right.

11:24=1044

11:49=1047

12:14=1036

12:40=1032

01:30=0947

02:09=0995

02:53=0814

04:12=0613

05:40=0396

07:28=0340

It looks like the charge remained high for 3 1/2 hours, and reached the 50%

point at about 5 hours.

So it looks like you can make some and sip on it during the day. I have

been using a 32 oz mason jar and sealing the top between sips. It smells

like it is lasting most of the day. I will test that next.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time

> Thank you, thank you! I'm sure my ozonated water is definatly

> ozonated enough after reading your results.

> I prefer drinking warm water over cold, and have been trying

> (not too sucessfully) to get on a schedule of ozonated water

> TWICE a day (rather than once).

>

> I second the " further question " as to how long the warm ozonated

> water RETAINS the ozone.

>

>

> Moria

>

>

> > > I know that COLD water holds ozone much longer than warm water....

> > > but generally prefer room temp water. So, my question is:

> > > how long will room temp water hold ozone? I generally get

> > > the water (3 to 4 cups of it) drunk down in about 10 or 15

> > > minutes I'd guess. I've been using cold water, but I'm

> > > wondering if warm would be okay.

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > > Moria

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim that's where I was going.

Looks like you can make some in the morning but only sip off it until

mid-day, unless you cap it up after each sip. Personally, I don't think (

what fun is all this without a little friendly wager) capping will make much

of a difference. My guess is that it will gather above the water and just

spill out when you take off the lid. Have a test for that? :-)

Ron

Re: Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting

time.

Dear Group:

I have the results of two test on warm room temperature ozonated water over

time.

1-14-04 test conditions: Charged the water as in previous message. Left

ORP probe in the ozonated water during the test. The left column is the

time, the right ORP

3:08=975

3:19=990

3:30=1011

3:41=989

3:53=985

4:05=970

4:33=970

went shopping

9:17=312

So it seems that for 1 1/2 hours the ozone concentration was stable, and 6

hours later the charge was gone.

1-16-04 test conditions. Started with probe in plain water, then tested the

ozonated water for 10 minutes and returned probe back to plain water. Test

started 11:24 am and ended 7:58 pm. The number on left are the time, and

ORP on right.

11:24=1044

11:49=1047

12:14=1036

12:40=1032

01:30=0947

02:09=0995

02:53=0814

04:12=0613

05:40=0396

07:28=0340

It looks like the charge remained high for 3 1/2 hours, and reached the 50%

point at about 5 hours.

So it looks like you can make some and sip on it during the day. I have

been using a 32 oz mason jar and sealing the top between sips. It smells

like it is lasting most of the day. I will test that next.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time

> Thank you, thank you! I'm sure my ozonated water is definatly

> ozonated enough after reading your results.

> I prefer drinking warm water over cold, and have been trying

> (not too sucessfully) to get on a schedule of ozonated water

> TWICE a day (rather than once).

>

> I second the " further question " as to how long the warm ozonated

> water RETAINS the ozone.

>

>

> Moria

>

>

> > > I know that COLD water holds ozone much longer than warm water....

> > > but generally prefer room temp water. So, my question is:

> > > how long will room temp water hold ozone? I generally get

> > > the water (3 to 4 cups of it) drunk down in about 10 or 15

> > > minutes I'd guess. I've been using cold water, but I'm

> > > wondering if warm would be okay.

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > > Moria

>

>

>

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Dear Dick:

> Thanks for the interesting info Jim. What do you think would happen

> if you just bubbled oxygen in the water and omitted the ozone?

Look at my message 1-14-04, 2:28 pm. I bubbled just oxygen until the ORP

stablized at 420, then turned on the ozone. Does that answer the question?

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

>

> > Dear Group:

> >

> > I have the results of two test on warm room temperature ozonated

> water over

> > time.

>

> Thanks for the interesting info Jim. What do you think would happen

> if you just bubbled oxygen in the water and omitted the ozone?

>

> Dick

>

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Dear Dick:

> I wonder how many drops of hydrogen

> peroxide it would take to do the same thing as the ozone?

I don't understand, are you implying there is some relationship between

ozone and hydrogen peroxide? I have not tried it, but I would not expect

H2O2 to change the ORP. Just adding oxygen to the water does not change the

ORP as you saw in the previous experiment.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

>

> >

> > Look at my message 1-14-04, 2:28 pm. I bubbled just oxygen until

> the ORP

> > stablized at 420, then turned on the ozone. Does that answer the

> question?

> >

> > Jim Meissner

>

> Yes it does Jim. Excellent work. Or did I

> miss that post too?

>

> As a sidebar, I remember that Den from ozone services had one of

> those meters that measured oxygen saturation of the blood. He said

> he gave ozone water to himself and his family members, all with

> varying degrees oxygen levels to begin with. I think Den was the

> lowest of the group at 92%. After drinking ozone water, all

> participants had 100% after 20 minutes and it remained at that level

> for another 45 minutes.

>

> Dick

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dick:

> I wonder how many drops of hydrogen

> peroxide it would take to do the same thing as the ozone?

I don't understand, are you implying there is some relationship between

ozone and hydrogen peroxide? I have not tried it, but I would not expect

H2O2 to change the ORP. Just adding oxygen to the water does not change the

ORP as you saw in the previous experiment.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

>

> >

> > Look at my message 1-14-04, 2:28 pm. I bubbled just oxygen until

> the ORP

> > stablized at 420, then turned on the ozone. Does that answer the

> question?

> >

> > Jim Meissner

>

> Yes it does Jim. Excellent work. Or did I

> miss that post too?

>

> As a sidebar, I remember that Den from ozone services had one of

> those meters that measured oxygen saturation of the blood. He said

> he gave ozone water to himself and his family members, all with

> varying degrees oxygen levels to begin with. I think Den was the

> lowest of the group at 92%. After drinking ozone water, all

> participants had 100% after 20 minutes and it remained at that level

> for another 45 minutes.

>

> Dick

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dick:

Some time back there was an intense discussion on the CS list whether ozone

becomes H2O2 and then oxygen. Both sides presented formulas that I do not

understand. Still, I do not believe ozone becomes H2O2. My understanding

is that oxygen is able to store electrical energy. My pet theory is that

illness is a result of depleted systems that cannot repair due to a lack of

energy. Ozone is able to couple energy and that energy recharges the cells

of the body and thus helps the body to heal. My experiments have shown me

that I can reduce the amount of food that I consume while drinking

" charged " water indicating to me that the ozone provided energy that usually

comes from digesting food. Another hint is that I do not like H2O2 and

would be able to detect the presence of H2O2 by the awful taste in the

water. That is my opinion. If this is wrong, someone please correct me.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

>

> > Dear Dick:

> >

> > > I wonder how many drops of hydrogen

> > > peroxide it would take to do the same thing as the ozone?

> >

> > I don't understand, are you implying there is some relationship

> between

> > ozone and hydrogen peroxide? I have not tried it, but I would not

> expect

> > H2O2 to change the ORP. Just adding oxygen to the water does not

> change the

> > ORP as you saw in the previous experiment.

> >

> > Jim Meissner

>

>

> Hydrogen peroxide has an extra molecule of oxygen like ozone, is

> that not correct? After all, adding ozone to water does make some

> hydrogen peroxide in it, is that not correct? Oxygen and hydrogen

> peroxide is not the same chemical formula, is that not correct?

>

>

> Dick

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Now! (ala ny Carson's sidekick Ed McMahon),

Easy there Dick, we don't want Jim to take his toys and go home! :-)

Can't ya word it in such a way to make him think it's his idea?! (Jim don't

read previous line)

Ron

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

Another hint is that I do not like H2O2 and

> would be able to detect the presence of H2O2 by the awful taste in

the

> water. That is my opinion. If this is wrong, someone please

correct me.

>

> Jim Meissner

>

Did you run a ORP test on H202 in water yet? Maybe you could correct

yourself on that first before we proceed. Forgive me if this seems

harsh, but I just hate science being relegated to what someone likes

or dislikes.

Dick

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dick:

Sorry about the un-precise way I phrased the previous message. I have

bubbled ozone through water for many hours and even days and have never

noticed the " distinctive " taste of H2O2.

> Did you run a ORP test on H202 in water yet? Maybe you could correct

> yourself on that first before we proceed.

If you would like to design a test protocol such as how many drops, etc., I

will attempt to run the test for you. Did you know that you can buy a

Hanna ORP meter and chemicals for less than $100 and run the test yourself

and be assured it is being done in a scientific way.

Jim Meissner

Re: ozonated warm water charging time and lasting time.

>

> Another hint is that I do not like H2O2 and

> > would be able to detect the presence of H2O2 by the awful taste in

> the

> > water. That is my opinion. If this is wrong, someone please

> correct me.

> >

> > Jim Meissner

> >

>

Forgive me if this seems

> harsh, but I just hate science being relegated to what someone likes

> or dislikes.

>

> Dick

>

>

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