Re: A question about ozonated water

January 6, 1988

hi saul

some questions and observations

first off i'm still confused about ozone as being an electrical therapy or

oxygen therapy. in your book you say that drinking ozonated water will

provide more oxygen. but on the list here i think you have said that oxygen

is the much lesser part of ozone therapy as to be almost negligible????

concerning regular water, do you think that this is a valid way to get

oxygen in the body? does it actually get broken down into hydrogen and

oxygen?

i was recently thinking that distilled water might be a way to deal with

mercury, and then i see it printed here today. will this bond be strong

enough to safely take it out throught the kidneys and out the body, or is

the mercury likely to drop off before it gets out of the body. or is

drinking distilled water combined with sauna way to get mercury out of the

body. and what is difference between regular distilled water and ozonated

distilled water with regard to its effect on mercury?

also, just an observation, but i lost my desire for salted food a few years

ago. even sea salt doesnt taste good to me. as a result i don't have a

desire for any water at all, no thirst. however i do like juicy fruits like

melons or vegetable juices. my body seems to know the difference between

these liquids as opposed to processed water with minerals. one feels like it

is being absorbed, the other feels like it is being forced. if i were to eat

alot of regular salt in a meal, then my thirst returns and the water feels

like it is being absorbed.

i think aajonus made a great point about water. that water is obviously

essential to living, and i think he even went so far as to say that

dehydration was the root of alot of illness. once a person gets into a

severely dehydrated state, simply drinking water is not the solution. but

once a person becomes reasonably healthy, then water can be brought back

into the equation.

January 4, 2004

This is from Saul and I didn't know how much your ozone friends know about

using it. You may or may not want to pass this on. I totally disagree with

the distilled water. I do think it is hungry and that is why is pull toxins,

including heavy metals so well. I do think drinking distilled ozonated

water is a great thing. Edith

January 4, 2004

In a message dated 01/04/2004 11:01:50 AM Central Standard Time,

ejohns9525@... writes:

>

> This is from Saul and I didn't know how much your ozone friends know about

> using it. You may or may not want to pass this on. I totally disagree with

> the distilled water. I do think it is hungry and that is why is pull

> toxins,

> including heavy metals so well. I do think drinking distilled ozonated

> water is a great thing. Edith

>

OOOps I meant to send this to a friend that has been fortunate to

borrow an ozone machine for her cancer. We both took a course by Dr Reams

proving the importance of distilled water in removing toxins. No controversy

intended. I pass most all Saul's emails to her because I think she (and I)

have greatly benefited from them. Edith

January 4, 2004

Dear Jim,

From " The Story of Ozone " :

" Ozone will not stay in water for very long, even at 4 degrees, so it is

best to freshly ozonate water and drink it immediately on an empty stomach,

rather than make a large amount and try to store it. It can be stored for

longer times by freezing it in plastic containers. "

" Ozonated Drinking Water:

1. Bubble ozone through cold water using the white ceramic diffuser at 1/8

liters/minute for 5 minutes for a glass; 15 minutes per liter; one hr. per

gallon.

2. Add two drops of Concentrace trace mineral drops to a glass

3. Drink immediately on an empty stomach. "

From " The Owner's Manual for the Human Body " :

" Six to eight glasses a day will establish a high level of oxygenation in

the body and assist detoxification. Bubble ozone into a glass of water for 5

- 10 minutes, then drink on an empty stomach. This will also destroy

helicobacter pylori in the stomach, which causes ulcers. "

" Water is the second most critical requirement of the body, which is itself

2/3 water. Many

aches and pains are the result of inadequate water intake. The body cannot

cleanse itself properly without adequate water. Adults need 4 - 6 glasses of

water daily, in addition to any other liquids that are ingested. Cut off

from water, the body loses energy as metabolism slows down, and ceases

functioning after seven to ten days. "

" Water needs to be mineralized to be healthful. Distilled water draws

minerals from the body, and should be avoided, unless there is a

preponderance of heavy metals (such as mercury) that need to be removed.

When adding minerals to water, the best source is ionic minerals. A product

called Essential Elements is one of the best sources, being made from

mineral deposits laid down near the Great Salt Lake, which are

reconstituted, with the sodium removed. "

" Add two drops of Essential Elements to a glass of clean cold water, ozonate

and then drink immediately on an empty stomach. Increase your consumption

until eventually you are drinking six to eight glasses over the course of a

day. "

" Drinking distilled water over a long period of time creates a strong

tendency towards mineral deficiency in the body and resulting poor health.

The mineral deficient distilled water is hungry for energy, which it obtains

by absorbing minerals from the body, some of which can be lost in excretion.

If this continues for too long, serious health problems can occur. To

remineralize distilled water, add ¼ teaspoon of Essential Elements to each

gallon of distilled water. "

---------------------------------------------

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

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From: " Jim Meissner " <jpmeissner@...>

Reply-oxyplus

Subject: A question about ozonated water

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:36:17 -0500

Dear Dr. Saul Pressman:

I just read your " The Story of Ozone " and have some questions. You

mentioned that it is nessesary to add a few drops of Concentrace in order to

hold the ozone for several months. Would you please elaborate.

Another source states that the half life of ozone in water is 80 minutes at

68 deg. F, and 11 days at 4 deg. C. To make one gallon at 1/16 flow takes

20 minutes.

What would be the half life of water with Concentrace added? How many drops

per gallon?

How does one test the ozone concentration in water? How do you determine

when you have ozonated the water long enough?

Compared to distilling water, how safe is the ozone purified water. How

about other contaminates? My understanding is that distilling is the only

real safe method purifying water, but the information in your " story " seems

to say that ozone will disinfect " all " pathogens and also oxidize " all "

pollutents. Comments please?

Jim Meissner

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January 4, 2004

Dear Saul:

I guess I asked too many questions at once. Would you give me an answer to

the following question, and I will restate the other questions separately.

> How does one test the ozone concentration in water? How do you determine

> when you have ozonated the water long enough?

A question about ozonated water

> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:36:17 -0500

>

> Dear Dr. Saul Pressman:

>

> I just read your " The Story of Ozone " and have some questions. You

> mentioned that it is nessesary to add a few drops of Concentrace in order

to

> hold the ozone for several months. Would you please elaborate.

>

> Another source states that the half life of ozone in water is 80 minutes

at

> 68 deg. F, and 11 days at 4 deg. C. To make one gallon at 1/16 flow takes

> 20 minutes.

>

> What would be the half life of water with Concentrace added? How many

drops

> per gallon?

>

> How does one test the ozone concentration in water? How do you determine

> when you have ozonated the water long enough?

>

> Compared to distilling water, how safe is the ozone purified water. How

> about other contaminates? My understanding is that distilling is the only

> real safe method purifying water, but the information in your " story "

seems

> to say that ozone will disinfect " all " pathogens and also oxidize " all "

> pollutents. Comments please?

>

> Jim Meissner

>

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January 5, 2004

In a message dated 01/05/2004 12:05:56 PM Central Standard Time,

jpmeissner@... writes:

> Dear Edith:

>

> I have also studied the Dr.Reams information. I have purchased all the test

> equipment from Pike and the Dr. Beddoe book. Very interesting and

> compelling. I like to test rather than rely on other information that may

> or may not have validity. Unless you look at the numbers you may be doing

> more harm than good. For example, with my very acid urine condition, taking

> vitamin C would make the situation significantly worse. Onions have high

> amounts of vitamin C without causing a more acid condition. Never knew that

> before. I have tested only a few other volunteers, but the numbers do

> reflect their health issues.

>

> Dr. Reams had great compelling arguments " for " distilled water, but he also

> recommended taking colloidal minerals, calcium(s), etc.

>

> I would be interested to hear your experiences with the Dr. Reams

> information.

>

> Jim Meissner

>

Hi Jim,

I have taken the course and have the test equiptment also. We also

use the onion soup rather than vit C. The onion soup is neutral am

not following about it being too acid. And I also use coliodal minerals

and get my vit b and B6 and calcium from Daily Manufacturing.

Are you familiar with Daily?

I love this program and find it fascinating. Do you have the book The

Curse Causeless Shall not Come by Nord Jr and Joanne

Fontenot's book No Time To Die? I have a couple more but have read

these 2 several times.

I live in Tx but have gone to a couple of Ream's practioners in OK & TN.

Fasinating stuff!!!

Edith

January 5, 2004

Dear Edith:

I have also studied the Dr.Reams information. I have purchased all the test

equipment from Pike and the Dr. Beddoe book. Very interesting and

compelling. I like to test rather than rely on other information that may

or may not have validity. Unless you look at the numbers you may be doing

more harm than good. For example, with my very acid urine condition, taking

vitamin C would make the situation significantly worse. Onions have high

amounts of vitamin C without causing a more acid condition. Never knew that

before. I have tested only a few other volunteers, but the numbers do

reflect their health issues.

Dr. Reams had great compelling arguments " for " distilled water, but he also

recommended taking colloidal minerals, calcium(s), etc.

I would be interested to hear your experiences with the Dr. Reams

information.

Jim Meissner

Re: A question about ozonated water

> In a message dated 01/04/2004 11:01:50 AM Central Standard Time,

> ejohns9525@... writes:

>

> >

> > This is from Saul and I didn't know how much your ozone friends know

about

> > using it. You may or may not want to pass this on. I totally disagree

with

> > the distilled water. I do think it is hungry and that is why is pull

> > toxins,

> > including heavy metals so well. I do think drinking distilled ozonated

> > water is a great thing. Edith

> >

>

> OOOps I meant to send this to a friend that has been fortunate to

> borrow an ozone machine for her cancer. We both took a course by Dr Reams

> proving the importance of distilled water in removing toxins. No

controversy

> intended. I pass most all Saul's emails to her because I think she (and

I)

> have greatly benefited from them. Edith

>

January 5, 2004

DearJim,

You don't test it because it is of no importance.

Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

regarding the efficacy of the therapy. What counts is

that you do it repeatedly. If you crank the ORP up

to 800 so that ittastes bad and you don't want to drink

it, what have you gained?

Five minutes ozonating a glass of water at 1/8 l/m at 40

ug/ml has worked for hundredsof people, so go with what

works.

Bestof Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Jim Meissner " <jpmeissner@...>

Reply-oxyplus

Subject: Re: A question about ozonated water

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:33:17 -0500

Dear Saul:

I guess I asked too many questions at once. Would you give me an answer to

the following question, and I will restate the other questions separately.

> How does one test the ozone concentration in water? How do you determine

> when you have ozonated the water long enough?

A question about ozonated water

> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:36:17 -0500

>

> Dear Dr. Saul Pressman:

>

> I just read your " The Story of Ozone " and have some questions. You

> mentioned that it is nessesary to add a few drops of Concentrace in order

to

> hold the ozone for several months. Would you please elaborate.

>

> Another source states that the half life of ozone in water is 80 minutes

at

> 68 deg. F, and 11 days at 4 deg. C. To make one gallon at 1/16 flow

takes

> 20 minutes.

>

> What would be the half life of water with Concentrace added? How many

drops

> per gallon?

>

> How does one test the ozone concentration in water? How do you determine

> when you have ozonated the water long enough?

>

> Compared to distilling water, how safe is the ozone purified water. How

> about other contaminates? My understanding is that distilling is the

only

> real safe method purifying water, but the information in your " story "

seems

> to say that ozone will disinfect " all " pathogens and also oxidize " all "

> pollutents. Comments please?

>

> Jim Meissner

>

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>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

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January 5, 2004

Dear Saul:

I have been lurking on this group for quite a while and have been very

impressed with the practical answers you give to people. I have printed out

several of your answers and hung them on the wall for reference. So thank

you very for much for the very useful information.

My background is electrical engineering and I have several patents. That

means I am interested in the technical details and theories of how things

work. Please be patient with my questions. Feel free to send me searching

elsewhere if you do not have access to the information I am looking for.

> You don't test it because it is of no importance.

I love testing, and find it to be very important.

> Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

Can I take this as hint of how to test the ozone concentration in water? I

have a " Pinpoint " ORP probe and controller, and a Hanna ORP meter. So what

would you recommend as the optimal or the minimum or maximum ORP to shoot

for. What would the ORP value be for the ozone half life point? Dead water

has an ORP of +200 to +300 mv? Do you know this number?

I would like to test the half life of ozone for various conditions. I can

believe that ozone diffusion would be faster at room temperature than at 4

degree C. Until I prove it to myself, I cannot believe that ozone will stay

available for months just by adding a few drops of Concentrace. I have

ordered a bottle of Concentrace and plan to run the experiment. I do hope

that it turns out to be true.

Any suggestions for setting up this test would be very much apreciated.

Thank you, Jim Meissner

Re: A question about ozonated water

> DearJim,

>

> You don't test it because it is of no importance.

>

> regarding the efficacy of the therapy. What counts is

> that you do it repeatedly. If you crank the ORP up

> to 800 so that ittastes bad and you don't want to drink

> it, what have you gained?

>

> Five minutes ozonating a glass of water at 1/8 l/m at 40

> ug/ml has worked for hundredsof people, so go with what

> works.

>

> Bestof Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

January 5, 2004

Jim,

The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

maxium ozone level and will go no higher. There are differences of

opinion on the concentration matter. Saul supports a medium

concentration of 40 gamma @1/8 lpm, while others support higher

concentrations of 85- 110 gamma @ 1/32 - 1/16 lpm.

So Jim, the first thing to do is to quantify the output of your

generator, then you can approach what ozone concentrations you have at

your disposal. Secondly, you can then start ozonating water and see for

yourself what works for you.

Dennis

Jim Meissner wrote:

>Dear Saul:

>

>I have been lurking on this group for quite a while and have been very

>impressed with the practical answers you give to people. I have printed out

>several of your answers and hung them on the wall for reference. So thank

>you very for much for the very useful information.

>

>My background is electrical engineering and I have several patents. That

>means I am interested in the technical details and theories of how things

>work. Please be patient with my questions. Feel free to send me searching

>elsewhere if you do not have access to the information I am looking for.

>

>>You don't test it because it is of no importance.

>>

>I love testing, and find it to be very important.

>

>>Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

>>

>

January 7, 2004

Dear Dennis:

Thank you for your comments.

> The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

> ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

> maxium ozone level and will go no higher.

My thinking is that it makes no difference what the maximum output (gamma)

or flow rate is. It is the total accumulation of ozone (ug) in the gallon

of water that matters. At high ozone concentration it will just take less

time to saturate the water. Eventually the water cannot hold any more and

the ozone feed just bubbles through. Although, it could be that at very

very low ozone concentration feed rates, the losses from the water surface

could exceed the input and limit the ultimate ozone concentration in the

water.

> Saul supports a medium

> concentration of 40 gamma @1/8 lpm, while others support higher

> concentrations of 85- 110 gamma @ 1/32 - 1/16 lpm.

This will not determine the ozone concentration in the water unless you also

state the " volume " of the water being charged and the " time " duration.

I just purchased my third ozone generator and have done quite a bit of

experimentation. I am working in a vacuum would like to confirm my findings

with the experts on this group like Dr. Saul Pressman and you.

Any comments and help would be appreciated. I do not mind being told my

theories are wrong. You have to start somewhere in order to learn.

Jim Meissner

Re: A question about ozonated water

> Jim,

>

> The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

> ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

> maxium ozone level and will go no higher. There are differences of

> opinion on the concentration matter. >

> So Jim, the first thing to do is to quantify the output of your

> generator, then you can approach what ozone concentrations you have at

> your disposal. Secondly, you can then start ozonating water and see for

> yourself what works for you.

>

> Dennis

>

> Jim Meissner wrote:

>

> >Dear Saul:

> >

> >I have been lurking on this group for quite a while and have been very

> >impressed with the practical answers you give to people. I have printed

out

> >several of your answers and hung them on the wall for reference. So

thank

> >you very for much for the very useful information.

> >

> >My background is electrical engineering and I have several patents. That

> >means I am interested in the technical details and theories of how things

> >work. Please be patient with my questions. Feel free to send me

searching

> >elsewhere if you do not have access to the information I am looking for.

> >

> >>You don't test it because it is of no importance.

> >>

> >I love testing, and find it to be very important.

> >

> >>Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

> >>

> >

>

January 7, 2004

Dear Dennis:

Thank you for your comments.

> The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

> ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

> maxium ozone level and will go no higher.

My thinking is that it makes no difference what the maximum output (gamma)

or flow rate is. It is the total accumulation of ozone (ug) in the gallon

of water that matters. At high ozone concentration it will just take less

time to saturate the water. Eventually the water cannot hold any more and

the ozone feed just bubbles through. Although, it could be that at very

very low ozone concentration feed rates, the losses from the water surface

could exceed the input and limit the ultimate ozone concentration in the

water.

> Saul supports a medium

> concentration of 40 gamma @1/8 lpm, while others support higher

> concentrations of 85- 110 gamma @ 1/32 - 1/16 lpm.

This will not determine the ozone concentration in the water unless you also

state the " volume " of the water being charged and the " time " duration.

I just purchased my third ozone generator and have done quite a bit of

experimentation. I am working in a vacuum would like to confirm my findings

with the experts on this group like Dr. Saul Pressman and you.

Any comments and help would be appreciated. I do not mind being told my

theories are wrong. You have to start somewhere in order to learn.

Jim Meissner

Re: A question about ozonated water

> Jim,

>

> The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

> ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

> maxium ozone level and will go no higher. There are differences of

> opinion on the concentration matter. >

> So Jim, the first thing to do is to quantify the output of your

> generator, then you can approach what ozone concentrations you have at

> your disposal. Secondly, you can then start ozonating water and see for

> yourself what works for you.

>

> Dennis

>

> Jim Meissner wrote:

>

> >Dear Saul:

> >

> >I have been lurking on this group for quite a while and have been very

> >impressed with the practical answers you give to people. I have printed

out

> >several of your answers and hung them on the wall for reference. So

thank

> >you very for much for the very useful information.

> >

> >My background is electrical engineering and I have several patents. That

> >means I am interested in the technical details and theories of how things

> >work. Please be patient with my questions. Feel free to send me

searching

> >elsewhere if you do not have access to the information I am looking for.

> >

> >>You don't test it because it is of no importance.

> >>

> >I love testing, and find it to be very important.

> >

> >>Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

> >>

> >

>

January 7, 2004

Jim,

First, I'm not an expert. (I'm sure Saul will correct me for inaccuracies)

I could be wrong but my understanding is that water will reach an " ozone

saturation ceiling " determined primarily by the gamma output of the

generator. The higher the gamma, the higher the ozone level in the

water. Once you pass a certain amount of time, the ozone level in the

water will go no higher. Narrow tall cylinders are more efficient than

short fat ones for ozonating water (with the bubbler at the bottom). As

long as you have good bubble output (small bubbles) and good bubble

distribution for ozone/water contact I don't think LPM flow rate is that

important as long as you have the gamma you are looking for.

What are the three ozone generators you have or do own?

Why three?

Could you give a " product evaluation " of each one?

Thanks,

Dennis

Jim Meissner wrote:

>Dear Dennis:

>

>Thank you for your comments.

>

>>The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

>>ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

>>maxium ozone level and will go no higher.

>>

>

>My thinking is that it makes no difference what the maximum output (gamma)

>or flow rate is. It is the total accumulation of ozone (ug) in the gallon

>of water that matters. At high ozone concentration it will just take less

>time to saturate the water. Eventually the water cannot hold any more and

>the ozone feed just bubbles through. Although, it could be that at very

>very low ozone concentration feed rates, the losses from the water surface

>could exceed the input and limit the ultimate ozone concentration in the

>water.

>

>>Saul supports a medium

>>concentration of 40 gamma @1/8 lpm, while others support higher

>>concentrations of 85- 110 gamma @ 1/32 - 1/16 lpm.

>>

>

>This will not determine the ozone concentration in the water unless you also

>state the " volume " of the water being charged and the " time " duration.

>

>I just purchased my third ozone generator and have done quite a bit of

>experimentation. I am working in a vacuum would like to confirm my findings

>with the experts on this group like Dr. Saul Pressman and you.

>

>Any comments and help would be appreciated. I do not mind being told my

>theories are wrong. You have to start somewhere in order to learn.

>

>Jim Meissner

>

> Re: A question about ozonated water

>

>>Jim,

>>

>>The maximum output of your generator will determine the maximum level of

>>ozone in the water. After a period of time the water will reach its

>>maxium ozone level and will go no higher. There are differences of

>>opinion on the concentration matter. >

>>So Jim, the first thing to do is to quantify the output of your

>>generator, then you can approach what ozone concentrations you have at

>>your disposal. Secondly, you can then start ozonating water and see for

>>yourself what works for you.

>>

>>Dennis

>>

>>Jim Meissner wrote:

>>

>>>Dear Saul:

>>>

>>>I have been lurking on this group for quite a while and have been very

>>>impressed with the practical answers you give to people. I have printed

>>>

>out

>

>>>several of your answers and hung them on the wall for reference. So

>>>

>thank

>

>>>you very for much for the very useful information.

>>>

>>>My background is electrical engineering and I have several patents. That

>>>means I am interested in the technical details and theories of how things

>>>work. Please be patient with my questions. Feel free to send me

>>>

>searching

>

>>>elsewhere if you do not have access to the information I am looking for.

>>>

>>>>You don't test it because it is of no importance.

>>>>

>>>I love testing, and find it to be very important.

>>>

>>>>Whether the ORP is 400 or 800 means nothing

>>>>

>>>

>>

January 7, 2004