Re: Where to get a reliable scoby - Science Behind Fermentation

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Hi KT Brewer in Philly and Everyone,

You wrote:

> I am a clinician, scientist, baker, and fermenter.

> I have been

> fermenting for years. started with kim chee which

> is very high in

> lactobacillus. Learned to make Kim chee from my

> grandmother. You

> pour a thick starchy liquid from rice water in with

> the vegetables

> and yo let the bacteria from outside settle in.

> They digest the

> starch, make acid, and ferment your kim chee.

> Sourdough harvests

> yeast from the surrounding. And honestly, it does

> not matter who you

> got your Scoby from. After a few cultures, your

> Scoby will be

> assimiliated into whatever bacteria and yeast are

> more prevalent in

> your area. Initially, yes. the yeast and bacteria

> from your culture

> will divide and grow. As the culture ages, your

> " imported culture "

> that you got from somewhere, will eventually take on

> more and more of

> the current flora.............It is just a fact of

microbiology.

My scoby is from a friend who bought her starter from

" shaman " type. It was absurd what this guy was

telling her to do. There is no need to go into what

beliefs she was acting on. Belief is a good place to

start as long as imagination doesn't take over when

there is legitimate scientific facts. I have terrible

arthritis in my knees. I've had the first of 3

injections in both knees with hyaluronic acid that has

been fermented. When I read about this product I was

intent upon getting it injected in my knees. I have

hope that along with everything else I do it will help

avoid surgery for a little while longer. Fermentation

has medical and scientific value.

> Bottom line is, It does not matter what you start

> out with.

> Microbiology dictates it will change and take on the

> flora of the

> area. And don't let those selling products quote

> scientific evidence

> from the 80's. We consider evidence from 2000 to be

> obsolete, so

> those articles are ancient. OK. time to get off the

> soap box. sorry

> to have hikacked the post. I just hate some of the

> unsubstantiated

> guruism I see on this page sometimes.

Please keep writing in this forum. Scientists are

invaluable. And as fun as it is to play with KT I

also need to know as much as I can about the science

behind fermentation and advancements in that

knowledge. And for heaven's sake listen to your body,

scientific reason and your instincts about how to use

KT.

To Your Health,

ann

Here is the test to find whether your mission on

Earth is finished: if you're alive, it isn't.

Bach

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play

Sims Stories at Games.

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[Guest guest]

" I have terrible

arthritis in my knees. I've had the first of 3

injections in both knees with hyaluronic acid that has

been fermented. "

Mine's not that bad,but this stuff made a difference... to the extent that

herself noticed when I stopped taking it, I reckon that cats, dogs and " G.G.s "

which get better can't possibly know they are supposed to improve.

http://www.cortaflex.co.uk/

"

Cortaflex Capsules with HA

Hyaluronic Acid (HA) is a major component of joint lubricating

fluid.

Cortaflex HA capsules combine all of the amazing benefits

of Cortaflex with an oral form of Hyaluronic Acid.

Cortaflex HA capsules can be taken to boost the regular Cortaflex

programme, or permanently for those joints that experience

excessive

wear and tear.

Available in tubs of 30 capsules "

Since the parent company is on the " other " side of the wet there otter be an

outlet somewhere.

Worth a try??

Nn. England.

Re: Where to get a reliable scoby - Science Behind Fermentation

Hi KT Brewer in Philly and Everyone,

You wrote:

> I am a clinician, scientist, baker, and fermenter.

> I have been

> fermenting for years. started with kim chee which

> is very high in

> lactobacillus. Learned to make Kim chee from my

> grandmother. You

> pour a thick starchy liquid from rice water in with

> the vegetables

> and yo let the bacteria from outside settle in.

> They digest the

> starch, make acid, and ferment your kim chee.

> Sourdough harvests

> yeast from the surrounding. And honestly, it does

> not matter who you

> got your Scoby from. After a few cultures, your

> Scoby will be

> assimiliated into whatever bacteria and yeast are

> more prevalent in

> your area. Initially, yes. the yeast and bacteria

> from your culture

> will divide and grow. As the culture ages, your

> " imported culture "

> that you got from somewhere, will eventually take on

> more and more of

> the current flora....... ......It is just a fact of

microbiology.

My scoby is from a friend who bought her starter from

" shaman " type. It was absurd what this guy was

telling her to do. There is no need to go into what

beliefs she was acting on. Belief is a good place to

start as long as imagination doesn't take over when

there is legitimate scientific facts. When I read about this product I was

intent upon getting it injected in my knees. I have

hope that along with everything else I do it will help

avoid surgery for a little while longer. Fermentation

has medical and scientific value.

> Bottom line is, It does not matter what you start

> out with.

> Microbiology dictates it will change and take on the

> flora of the

> area. And don't let those selling products quote

> scientific evidence

> from the 80's. We consider evidence from 2000 to be

> obsolete, so

> those articles are ancient. OK. time to get off the

> soap box. sorry

> to have hikacked the post. I just hate some of the

> unsubstantiated

> guruism I see on this page sometimes.

Please keep writing in this forum. Scientists are

invaluable. And as fun as it is to play with KT I

also need to know as much as I can about the science

behind fermentation and advancements in that

knowledge. And for heaven's sake listen to your body,

scientific reason and your instincts about how to use

KT.

To Your Health,

ann

Here is the test to find whether your mission on

Earth is finished: if you're alive, it isn't.

Bach

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play

Sims Stories at Games.

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[Guest guest]

Hi and EveryOne,

Bob , the previous owner-moderator of this list, also had very

bad arthritis....he said that the Kombucha helped in more than

anything else. It seems to me that he would have compiled a Kombucha

Thread from the posts to the list about Kombucha and Arthritis but I

can't seem to find it. Does anyone have that Kombucha thread? If so,

please send it to me and I will add it to the Kombucha Thread folder

in the list FILES Section.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

kombucha tea-owner

>

>

>

> > I am a clinician, scientist, baker, and fermenter.

>

> > I have been

>

> > fermenting for years. started with kim chee which

>

> > is very high in

>

> > lactobacillus. Learned to make Kim chee from my

>

> > grandmother. You

>

> > pour a thick starchy liquid from rice water in with

>

> > the vegetables

>

> > and yo let the bacteria from outside settle in.

>

> > They digest the

>

> > starch, make acid, and ferment your kim chee.

>

> > Sourdough harvests

>

> > yeast from the surrounding. And honestly, it does

>

> > not matter who you

>

> > got your Scoby from. After a few cultures, your

>

> > Scoby will be

>

> > assimiliated into whatever bacteria and yeast are

>

> > more prevalent in

>

> > your area. Initially, yes. the yeast and bacteria

>

> > from your culture

>

> > will divide and grow. As the culture ages, your

>

> > " imported culture "

>

> > that you got from somewhere, will eventually take on

>

> > more and more of

>

> > the current flora....... ......It is just a fact of

>

> microbiology.

>

>

>

> My scoby is from a friend who bought her starter from

>

> " shaman " type. It was absurd what this guy was

>

> telling her to do. There is no need to go into what

>

> beliefs she was acting on. Belief is a good place to

>

> start as long as imagination doesn't take over when

>

> there is legitimate scientific facts. When I read about this

product I was

>

> intent upon getting it injected in my knees. I have

>

> hope that along with everything else I do it will help

>

> avoid surgery for a little while longer. Fermentation

>

> has medical and scientific value.

>

>

>

> > Bottom line is, It does not matter what you start

>

> > out with.

>

> > Microbiology dictates it will change and take on the

>

> > flora of the

>

> > area. And don't let those selling products quote

>

> > scientific evidence

>

> > from the 80's. We consider evidence from 2000 to be

>

> > obsolete, so

>

> > those articles are ancient. OK. time to get off the

>

> > soap box. sorry

>

> > to have hikacked the post. I just hate some of the

>

> > unsubstantiated

>

> > guruism I see on this page sometimes.

>

>

>

> Please keep writing in this forum. Scientists are

>

> invaluable. And as fun as it is to play with KT I

>

> also need to know as much as I can about the science

>

> behind fermentation and advancements in that

>

> knowledge. And for heaven's sake listen to your body,

>

> scientific reason and your instincts about how to use

>

> KT.

>

>

>

> To Your Health,

>

>

>

> ann

>

>

>

> Here is the test to find whether your mission on

>

> Earth is finished: if you're alive, it isn't.

>

> Bach

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

story. Play Sims Stories at Games.

>

> http://sims. /

>

>

>

>

>

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yoganandaom <OM@...> said

Hi and EveryOne,

Bob , the previous owner-moderator of this list......It seems to me that

he would have compiled a Kombucha

Thread from the posts to the list about Kombucha and Arthritis but I can't seem

to find it. Does anyone have that Kombucha thread?

says

" Frayed knot "

I'm too young (in group terms to have been around. I was taking

http://www.cortafle x.co.uk/ way before I joined the group.Once I get the

brewing up to full production I'm game to drop it and report findings though.

(BTW " To whom it may concern " it left me " Cybermanx " (No tail).

As " arranged " I replied in the same format it arrived in, went to bottom and

found the dreaded Anacoda, got out the scissors and here's the result)

(;-))

Nn. England.

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Oops, it develops the tail in transit. So now we know (:-((

Swapped to Plain text and it's still there, but worserer. So I've left it. I'll

try Plain from the outset, next.

Nn. England.

Re: Where to get a reliable scoby - Science Behind Fermentation

yoganandaom <OM@...> said

Hi and EveryOne,

Bob , the previous owner-moderator of this list......It seems to me

that he would have compiled a Kombucha

Thread from the posts to the list about Kombucha and Arthritis but I can't seem

to find it. Does anyone have that Kombucha thread?

says

" Frayed knot "

I'm too young (in group terms to have been around. I was taking

http://www.cortafle x.co.uk/ way before I joined the group.Once I get the

brewing up to full production I'm game to drop it and report findings though.

(BTW " To whom it may concern " it left me " Cybermanx " (No tail).

As " arranged " I replied in the same format it arrived in, went to bottom and

found the dreaded Anacoda, got out the scissors and here's the result)

(;-))

Nn. England.

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