Screaming

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sounds like an anxiety release, changes are hard and such but this

behavior can be altered if you to be very consistent in try a few things.

One is to have a folder of her scheduled things for the day in it, when ever

there might be a switch in routine or things that you are unsure of then

place question marks in that time slot letting her know you are unsure what

will happen during that time. Also to make her a smiley face chart and for

each time she to comply to the schedule and does not break the no scream ,

use my words rule, she get a smiley face. She to need to earn so many in the

trip or day to earn the reward you have set for her but it has to be a

reward that to her is worth the working for, such as if she to love computer

, then she to know if she to earn the amount of set smilies then she to get

computer that night when she to get home to play. Do not let her to have the

things though even if she to melt down because if you to give in once she to

know this and will use this to her advantage. Most important it to be

consistent. Do not count screams but episodes of the screaming. In the

beginning when she to lose a smilie she to may meltdown form anxiety until

she to learn how this program works. do not be to feed into the meltdown

simply state in direct reasons she to breaked the rule of the screaming.

Remind her that screaming is not allowed in the store, etc... ask her to

look around is anyone screaming? Now you might need for her to be calm

somewhat first before to cue her of why her screaming is wrong choice, and

then move on from the behavior as though it to not happened. You can be to

also cue her before she to go in of the rule, and letting her know what she

should be to do instead. Make sure too that how many she to need to earn is

not out of her reach in the beginning or she will become frustrated with it.

I to be to share for a day I to set 6 smilies and for just outings and such

3 as this will produce more anxiety to be in unfamiliar settings, not

knowing expectations of the events.

Sondra

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I'm not an expert, but I'm in a similar position.

My daughter is 10 1/2 and going through puberty. The screaming started with the

beginning of puberty. The screams are from the bottom of the toes - blood

curdling/glass shattering screams. She is on risperdal and depokote. It seems

to be an attention getting behavior and for the most part yes - it does get

everyones attention. She seems to scream when things are not going the way she

thinks they should - definitely a control issue. When at home - I try to ignore

the behavior as much as possible and work through it. It is almost amusing to

watch her as she sees the screaming isn't getting the results she wants - so she

tries screaming even louder and if I walk away to do something else - she

follows me screaming! Screaming in public is much more of a problem as the

options to work through it are more limited. I'm a single dad and you can

imagine the looks I get as people watch us to see in what way I'm mistreating

this little girl! Very stressful especially when done in front of authority

figures like police or security guards. I always worry that one day they will

just take me to jail and ask questions later! If she has to wait too long on a

line in a store or if I stop for a second to look at something that she isn't

interested in, she may start to scream. I've had some success in tellling her

that screaming in a store is not good behavior and if she doesn't stop, the

manager will come and tell her that she can not come back into the store again.

(actually there are a few small stores that have already told her mother never

to return with Lara) She doesn't want this and will usually stop. I do all the

schedule things and rewards etc and medication for behavior and sometimes

nothing works but to remove her from the environment - but then I think that she

has won and she will do it again if she thinks it will work. It's very

frustrating and stressful - I too would like to hear from any one else that has

a screaming issue and what works for them.

good luck!

Loren

Dad to Lara 10.5

LI,NY

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Hello! It's been ages since I've posted. My daughter is 8, fairly

middle-of-road autistic type of kid. She is really wonderful and for

the most part a total joy. I have used a garden variety of therapies

to help her and they have all helped HOWEVER, her very first reaction

to to most change is the scream. Now, I have never tried any meds--

nothing dietary (I have two other kids and am divorced) but I'm ready

to talk about it. The biggest block for her is the screaming. Her

pediatrician believes, as I do, that she is truly acting out a bit

more as she is aging and I believe on the brink of puberty. She

*can* talk and sometimes, between the screeching, does make her

concerns known but almost always they can't be remedied. For

example, she can not stand to backtrack. When we have to do it she

screams and screams, even with prior warning. I do get stress

headaches, and the screaming is starting to really wear on my nerves.

It had been getting better over the years but it seems to be back.

Any suggestions from you experts??

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Loren. when you to be in public do you to set up a reward system to let her

to know if she to be patient and to allow you to do things you to need to do

first then after wards she to be to get to do something she to want to do

such as look in a shop she to like or to get a favorite treat on the way

home and if she to scream once she to lose the treat, remind of her of this

as soon as she starts to give you signs she is about the let the screams

come, say you need to stop or you will not get to go do _______? today. Also

do scenario's of role reversals to her and act like her when she does not

get her way. mock and imitate it exactly as she well then see how this looks

and feels to see you act oddly in a way she is not use to and this will

cause her to stop and think. Another good technique is to record one of her

screaming fits, but not only her but try hard to get others faces in the

back ground so she can be to see the reactions, only this can be done around

family and friends , not in public but help her to be aware how her

behaviors might cause unwelcome reactions in others as the screaming is

painful and hurts others ears too. I to not have a screamer in my group of

children's but a bolter who will flip furniture and such in hims path to

bolt away when he is angry or frustrated it has improved quite much though

as he to use to be to do this up to 3 times a day and now it to be rare but

happens maybe once or twice every six months. He to be to scare me much for

fear he will be to run into the street and get hit. He to be to have done

this in winter with no shoes and coat on and bolt out in bare feet unaware

of the cold and such on hims body. He was much hard to capture LOL but once

we did be to get him took several of us to get this little guy back into the

house and calm him as he to be to spit, pinch and kick at us from much

anger. My oldest one to be a whiner who to not take no for an answer and

follows us around much re asking same questions over and over hoping we to

give in but we are now working harder to simply say to her we do not be to

want to hear the words anymore on this and to please go to her room, if she

to continue she to lose privileges and it is to be working better.

Sondra

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I swear my 13 year old has turned into a " terrible twos " toddler ever since

we hit puberty. I'm wondering if this is a very delayed stage she is going

through and will pass. One can only hope!

RE: screaming

> I'm not an expert, but I'm in a similar position.

> My daughter is 10 1/2 and going through puberty. The screaming started

with the beginning of puberty. The screams are from the bottom of the

toes - blood curdling/glass shattering screams. She is on risperdal and

depokote. It seems to be an attention getting behavior and for the most

part yes - it does get everyones attention. She seems to scream when things

are not going the way she thinks they should - definitely a control issue.

When at home - I try to ignore the behavior as much as possible and work

through it. It is almost amusing to watch her as she sees the screaming

isn't getting the results she wants - so she tries screaming even louder and

if I walk away to do something else - she follows me screaming! Screaming

in public is much more of a problem as the options to work through it are

more limited. I'm a single dad and you can imagine the looks I get as

people watch us to see in what way I'm mistreating this little girl! Very

stressful especially when done!

> in front

> good luck!

> Loren

> Dad to Lara 10.5

> LI,NY

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> Hello! It's been ages since I've posted. My daughter is 8, fairly

> middle-of-road autistic type of kid. She is really wonderful and for

> the most part a total joy. I have used a garden variety of therapies

> to help her and they have all helped HOWEVER, her very first reaction

> to to most change is the scream. Now, I have never tried any meds--

> nothing dietary (I have two other kids and am divorced) but I'm ready

> to talk about it. The biggest block for her is the screaming. Her

> pediatrician believes, as I do, that she is truly acting out a bit

> more as she is aging and I believe on the brink of puberty. She

> *can* talk and sometimes, between the screeching, does make her

> concerns known but almost always they can't be remedied. For

> example, she can not stand to backtrack. When we have to do it she

> screams and screams, even with prior warning. I do get stress

> headaches, and the screaming is starting to really wear on my nerves.

> It had been getting better over the years but it seems to be back.

> Any suggestions from you experts??

>

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Sondra

I read all of your posts with great interest - I am very glad that you are part

of this group.

There are many things involved and difficult to explain all in detail in writing

like this. My daughter does not always behave the same under the same

conditions. This is part of the stress - I have to be ready for anything at all

times. Even if things went great - I'm usually very tired anyway. I do try

the reward system if she behaves - not always - sometimes we are only doing

things that she wants to do. One problem is that if she screams and I have to

tell her she didn't earn her reward then she usually " really " flips out and goes

into full blown violent tantrum.

If we didn't have every ones attention before when she screamed then we

certainly do during the tantrum. Once I remove her and we get back home she

will be calm and understand what happened and why she didn't get her reward, but

it doesn't seem to have any effect on stopping her in the future. Just a word

to those people that still have young children - use your reinforcers sparingly

- if you escalate them too quickly - over time you may run out by the time they

get older - with Lara there are things that she would still consider a reward,

but nothing that is absolutely so great that she will behave no matter what// I

have tried reducing her priveledges step by step each time she screamed while we

are out - I usually have to get pretty far in removing/not earning priveledges

until I can get her to stop...This isn't always good for me...if she loses TV or

the computer, then I become the source of the entertainment and I don't always

have the time being a single parent with another child to take care of also -

Lara and her brother are always both competing for my time and yes I do try to

schedule time periods - not always that easy when I have things of my own to

take care of//I did video tape her during some tantrums for the doctors to see.

Lara loves to watch these tapes when she can and thinks they are very funny. I

try to hide them and not let her watch because she enjoys them so much that I

think it gives her the wrong idea.//I have tried role reversal - if she is

acting out, she either actually enjoys having the company in doing the same

thing, or wants to be able to do it all by herself - not really seeing that

there is anything wrong in what she is doing.//Lara will also repeat asking a

question if she doesn't like the answer and I do very much the same as you do.

There was a time once when Lara was driving me crazy by asking the same

questions over and over again when I knew that she knew all the answers. I told

her that I didn't want to talk about ...and I listed all the things that she was

repeating. Her next sentence made me very sad..

she said " what to talk about? " I know that she knows and thinks about a lot

more than she talks about in words and I realized that she was just trying to

make conversation - she didn't know how to express the other ideas.

Loren

Dad to Lara 10.5

LI,NY

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Loren. when you to be in public do you to set up a reward system to let her

to know if she to be patient and to allow you to do things you to need to do

first then after wards she to be to get to do something she to want to do

such as look in a shop she to like or to get a favorite treat on the way

home and if she to scream once she to lose the treat, remind of her of this

as soon as she starts to give you signs she is about the let the screams

come, say you need to stop or you will not get to go do _______? today. Also

do scenario's of role reversals to her and act like her when she does not

get her way. mock and imitate it exactly as she well then see how this looks

and feels to see you act oddly in a way she is not use to and this will

cause her to stop and think. Another good technique is to record one of her

screaming fits, but not only her but try hard to get others faces in the

back ground so she can be to see the reactions, only this can be done around

family and friends , not in public but help her to be aware how her

behaviors might cause unwelcome reactions in others as the screaming is

painful and hurts others ears too. I to not have a screamer in my group of

children's but a bolter who will flip furniture and such in hims path to

bolt away when he is angry or frustrated it has improved quite much though

as he to use to be to do this up to 3 times a day and now it to be rare but

happens maybe once or twice every six months. He to be to scare me much for

fear he will be to run into the street and get hit. He to be to have done

this in winter with no shoes and coat on and bolt out in bare feet unaware

of the cold and such on hims body. He was much hard to capture LOL but once

we did be to get him took several of us to get this little guy back into the

house and calm him as he to be to spit, pinch and kick at us from much

anger. My oldest one to be a whiner who to not take no for an answer and

follows us around much re asking same questions over and over hoping we to

give in but we are now working harder to simply say to her we do not be to

want to hear the words anymore on this and to please go to her room, if she

to continue she to lose privileges and it is to be working better.

Sondra

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Loren I to be to review your word tonight and will be to respond to them , I

to think this list to be to have a delay as things I to post seem to be to

come in to others days later. Anyways a few things to catched my eye as

trouble shooting, but as you to share this is hard without to actually see

it but this is my areas of skills and expertise. I to love the challenging

so called behaviors as I to understand them and often see the motivators

that others do not be to know. My sunshine girl is much a challenge somedays

and if I to not attend 100% to her any mild things can divert her behaviors

into troublesome dangerous areas of screaming, shouting, hitting self or

peers, pinching spitting etc.. but the child has been to improved by 70 % ,

some through the consistency , some through diet , some through medications

but she it one who was being removed up to 10x in a day from her classroom

to maybe 2-3 times in a week now. She is able to through consistency learned

some skills to do instead of shouting or hitting.

First of all age to play a big part in this and so I to ask that if you to

not mind and would like in private to share her age and if she to be in

school what settings is she to do , what is her interests and strengths and

weaknesses.

This will help much and I to be to then give better thinking on approach ,

but again from no exposure to her it can be seen only as suggestions and not

as therapist or such. I to only share from own experiences not from any

degrees to do so.

Sondra

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Having trouble somewhere like school, hormones kicking in, (my

daughter has breast buds at age 9, having a hard time dealing with

something in her life. These are reasons myt daughter does this

Charlene

-- screaming

Hello! It's been ages since I've posted. My daughter is 8, fairly

middle-of-road autistic type of kid. She is really wonderful and for

the most part a total joy. I have used a garden variety of therapies

to help her and they have all helped HOWEVER, her very first reaction

to to most change is the scream. Now, I have never tried any meds--

nothing dietary (I have two other kids and am divorced) but I'm ready

to talk about it. The biggest block for her is the screaming. Her

pediatrician believes, as I do, that she is truly acting out a bit

more as she is aging and I believe on the brink of puberty. She

*can* talk and sometimes, between the screeching, does make her

concerns known but almost always they can't be remedied. For

example, she can not stand to backtrack. When we have to do it she

screams and screams, even with prior warning. I do get stress

headaches, and the screaming is starting to really wear on my nerves.

It had been getting better over the years but it seems to be back.

Any suggestions from you experts??

Many THanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has a child that screams? My daughter is almost 4

and non verbal. She does this thing where she screams. Sometimes she does it

all day and sometimes it's louder than usual. Yesterday she did it all day and

it was very loud and annoying. When she has something in her hand it gets

worse. I don't know if it's some type of stim or what. Any input will be

greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Karac screamed when he was that age. I did different things to help him overcome it.

i.e. If he screamed while watching TV, I turned it off and turned it back on the minute

he stopped to take a breath. In the car I would turn the music off when he screamed and

back on the minute he stopped to catch a breath. At church he liked to play with play doh;

when he screamed I would take it away and give it back the minute he stopped to catch a

breath. I would always say, "good being calm and quiet". It probably took about two years

of doing that consistently before it was totally eliminated.

Be careful to not reward screaming. If I had taken Karac out of church for screaming, I

would have been rewarding the screaming because that would be exactly what he wanted.

Fortunately, the church where I attend has a training room where mother's can see and

hear the preacher while they train their childrenl. Karac learned to sit quietly through the

whole sermon. It wasn't easy and sometimes I went home crying. Love and blessings, Pat K

Screaming

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has a child that screams? My daughter is almost 4 and non verbal. She does this thing where she screams. Sometimes she does it all day and sometimes it's louder than usual. Yesterday she did it all day and it was very loud and annoying. When she has something in her hand it gets worse. I don't know if it's some type of stim or what. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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I work as an aide in a classroom for children with autism. I have met children on the spectrum of all severities at all ages and this screaming business is very common. Unfortunately I haven't come across any sure fire ways to stop it. Although I have worked with children with so many disgusting behaviors like spitting, body fluid sampling, eating things that aren't food, etc, I would look at screaming as easier to try to deal with. I would look into whether a music therapy program may help. I don't know what you are already doing but redirecting your child when he is screaming into a calm activity may take his mind off of whatever is bothering him. He may hear a sound that is hurting his head so bad that he is trying to scream to make it go away. Really pay attention to the antecedent (what is happening prior to

the scream?) and how you respond to it. If you give him something he likes to calm him down, he may be screaming just to get what he wants since he is nonverbal. You could try headphones that completely cover the ears to help mute sounds.

Shana

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Another suggestion is to roll your child in a blanket snugly and apply pressure on his back and the back of his legs with a therapy ball or just your hands. The pressure should feel like a firm hug. Rhoda From: shana nagel <shanajpitts@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:32 PMSubject: Re: Screaming

I work as an aide in a classroom for children with autism. I have met children on the spectrum of all severities at all ages and this screaming business is very common. Unfortunately I haven't come across any sure fire ways to stop it. Although I have worked with children with so many disgusting behaviors like spitting, body fluid sampling, eating things that aren't food, etc, I would look at screaming as easier to try to deal with. I would look into whether a music therapy program may help. I don't know what you are already doing but redirecting your child when he is screaming into a calm activity may take his mind off of whatever is bothering him. He may hear a sound that is hurting his head so bad that he is trying to scream to make it go away. Really pay attention to the antecedent (what is happening

prior to

the scream?) and how you respond to it. If you give him something he likes to calm him down, he may be screaming just to get what he wants since he is nonverbal. You could try headphones that completely cover the ears to help mute sounds.

Shana