Re: Ozone and tooth enamel

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Mike,

Why do you believe HP dissolves tooth enamel??

I read somewhere that a dentist put some plak (sp?) in some 3% HP and it

dissolved.

Laurie

Ozone and tooth enamel

Question for Ken or Saul

Ken or Saul,

I believe that 3% H2O2 eats the enamel off of teeth, would ozone do the same

damage if used long term on a persons teeth?

Thanks, mike rose

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Dear Mike,

Why do you believe that 3% H2O2 eats enamel?

I have never heard that before.

I have been doing ozone in my mouth for over ten years

and there is no damage to my enamel. On the contrary,

some tiny chips I had seem to have filled in.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " Rose " <maltandhops@...>

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Subject: Ozone and tooth enamel

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:29:32 -0800

Question for Ken or Saul

Ken wrote:

>Yes. AT the end of my sauna, I put the end of the tube in my mouth for

about 30 >seconds and then hold it in my mouth while breathing through my

nose. I do this >about 2-3x per week and I have had great gum and mouth

improvement - basically >stretched out my tooth cleanings to 1/year. I did

it every day for a while and my >teeth seemed to become sensitive so backed

off.

>Best wishes and much love, Ken

>Ken Gullan

Ken or Saul,

I believe that 3% H2O2 eats the enamel off of teeth, would ozone do the same

damage if used long term on a persons teeth?

Thanks, mike rose

[Guest guest]

> I believe that 3% H2O2 eats the enamel off of teeth, would ozone

do the same damage if used long term on a persons teeth?

>

> Thanks, mike rose

>

Well, I never cured any cavity with h202. You might want to do some

web researh on what ozone can do for a tooth filled with decay

however.

Dick

[Guest guest]

I have heard that too right here on this list. That using 35% HP very

carefully on your teeth will whiten them but if used often, over time, will

compromise the outer, shiney layer of the tooth and makes them porous.

GypsyRose

Dear Mike,

Why do you believe that 3% H2O2 eats enamel?

I have never heard that before.

I have been doing ozone in my mouth for over ten years

and there is no damage to my enamel. On the contrary,

some tiny chips I had seem to have filled in.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " Rose " <maltandhops@...>

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Subject: Ozone and tooth enamel

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:29:32 -0800

Question for Ken or Saul

Ken wrote:

>Yes. AT the end of my sauna, I put the end of the tube in my mouth for

about 30 >seconds and then hold it in my mouth while breathing through my

nose. I do this >about 2-3x per week and I have had great gum and mouth

improvement - basically >stretched out my tooth cleanings to 1/year. I did

it every day for a while and my >teeth seemed to become sensitive so backed

off.

>Best wishes and much love, Ken

>Ken Gullan

Ken or Saul,

I believe that 3% H2O2 eats the enamel off of teeth, would ozone do the same

damage if used long term on a persons teeth?

Thanks, mike rose

[Guest guest]

I have read this, that it makes the enamel more porous and you actually end up

with teeth that stain easier. It weakens the enamel. Jerry Mittlemen who is on

a number of lists that I am on, and who is a wholistic dental person, mentions

this and I have read it on some dental sites like therabreath.com

Blessings.

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Re: Ozone and tooth enamel

Dear Mike,

Why do you believe that 3% H2O2 eats enamel?

I have never heard that before.

I have been doing ozone in my mouth for over ten years

and there is no damage to my enamel. On the contrary,

some tiny chips I had seem to have filled in.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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[Guest guest]

Saul,

Could you tell me how one uses the ozone in the mouth?

Erma

At 07:11 PM 11/25/2003, you wrote:

>Dear Mike,

>

>Why do you believe that 3% H2O2 eats enamel?

>I have never heard that before.

>

>I have been doing ozone in my mouth for over ten years

>and there is no damage to my enamel. On the contrary,

>some tiny chips I had seem to have filled in.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman

>

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Dear Erma,

Very carefully! (couldn't resist)

Just place the end of the tubing into your mouth, and close your mouth.

Breathe through your nose only, and turn on the flow rate at 1/32 l/m.

Turn on the generator. That's it.

Periodically, I find I need to take the tubing out of my mouth, and rest my

jaws.

Then I put it back in.

This method will kill a beginning cold in 5 minutes. I have used it many

times

when I am getting ready to go out for a public speaking engagement and my

throat feels a little scratchy. Works like a charm.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: Erma <misserma53@...>

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Subject: Re: Ozone and tooth enamel

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:57:40 -0600

Saul,

Could you tell me how one uses the ozone in the mouth?

Erma

At 07:11 PM 11/25/2003, you wrote:

>Dear Mike,

>

>Why do you believe that 3% H2O2 eats enamel?

>I have never heard that before.

>

>I have been doing ozone in my mouth for over ten years

>and there is no damage to my enamel. On the contrary,

>some tiny chips I had seem to have filled in.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman

>

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[Guest guest]

> Dear Erma,

>

> Very carefully! (couldn't resist)

>

> Just place the end of the tubing into your mouth, and close your mouth.

> Breathe through your nose only, and turn on the flow rate at 1/32 l/m.

> Turn on the generator. That's it.

>

Hello Saul, and Ken, and anyone else interested in this topic

of using ozone in one's mouth!

I have been also using ozone in my mouth (I increased the time

to 30 seconds after reading the post above). Currently I

am very interested in doing this since my recent dental appt

was told some areas are looking " questionable " so I'd like to

get them " improved " before I go back in. (I have 2 appts

scheduled soon to replace fillings which have decay under

them. Yuck.)

Anyhow, I am concerned about whether ozone will make the

filling materials in my mouth break down faster. It seems

to me that it will do this if I use ozone very much in mouth.

(I have some plastic stuff and a gold crown.... possibly a

3rd material, I'd have to check my notes though, I'm not

sure.) So, I'm not sure if I will do this regualarly, or

just as a special occassional procedure.

Saul, do you have any fillings? Do you just do it anyway, or

is there some reason you think it will not adversely affect

fillings.....

Any thoughts out there on this?

I would also ask this on the " healozone " (dental ozone) list,

but I think that device does not get ozone in the mouth much.

Also the treatments are for a very limited amount of time

(not on-going).

thanks for any thoughts on this.

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Dear Erma,

>

> Very carefully! (couldn't resist)

>

> Just place the end of the tubing into your mouth, and close your mouth.

> Breathe through your nose only, and turn on the flow rate at 1/32 l/m.

> Turn on the generator. That's it.

>

Hello Saul, and Ken, and anyone else interested in this topic

of using ozone in one's mouth!

I have been also using ozone in my mouth (I increased the time

to 30 seconds after reading the post above). Currently I

am very interested in doing this since my recent dental appt

was told some areas are looking " questionable " so I'd like to

get them " improved " before I go back in. (I have 2 appts

scheduled soon to replace fillings which have decay under

them. Yuck.)

Anyhow, I am concerned about whether ozone will make the

filling materials in my mouth break down faster. It seems

to me that it will do this if I use ozone very much in mouth.

(I have some plastic stuff and a gold crown.... possibly a

3rd material, I'd have to check my notes though, I'm not

sure.) So, I'm not sure if I will do this regualarly, or

just as a special occassional procedure.

Saul, do you have any fillings? Do you just do it anyway, or

is there some reason you think it will not adversely affect

fillings.....

Any thoughts out there on this?

I would also ask this on the " healozone " (dental ozone) list,

but I think that device does not get ozone in the mouth much.

Also the treatments are for a very limited amount of time

(not on-going).

thanks for any thoughts on this.

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Moria,

Healozone has a cup that covers just one tooth at a time, so that is

not relevant to your question.

Nobody in scientific medicine does this and writes papers about it, so there

is no data base. There is lots of use of ozone in dentistry besides the

Healozone

technique, ozonated water and even ozonated oil (yuck), but as for long term

daily use of ozone gas, no written information exists that I am aware of.

My dental history:

I don't go to the dentist very often. I don't get toothaches, and I don't

like being

poked with sharp instruments.

My parents took me when I was young, and I had six mercury fillings in my

baby teeth.

I stopped going to dentists when I was 14. I went once again when

I was 36 (14 years ago) for cleaning. The only filling I have in my

permanent teeth

is left upper, between a bicuspid and a molar. The mercury filling fell out

when I was 38,

and I had a new one put in with a composite material. But the front part of

that one fell

out, leaving a big hole. I have been directing ozone towards it for the last

year or so. I think

it is getting smaller, at least it feels that way to my tongue and when I

insert a dental

pick into it. I have thought about getting it filled, but have decided to

see if the

ozone can help it remineralize. I have been doing ozone gas in my mouth

sporadically

for the last 11 years.

I have large and strong teeth and jaws and used to do tricks, lifting heavy

things and

biting into boards when I was a kid. I once chipped one of the front teeth,

taking a corner

out of it opening a bottle. That corner is now back in place. I don't know

when it regrew,

but it was before the checkup at 36. There was also once a dent in a lower

left canine

with a dark mark in the bottom of the dent, but the dent is gone now. I have

all my wisdom

teeth, which came in easily at age 18 in a few months. I do have some tooth

sensitivity

to cold, and have used Sensodyne toothpaste (no fluoride thank you) since my

early 20s.

I am a very strong tooth grinder in my sleep (drives my wife mad), and my

gums always

bleed a great deal when I brush (vigorously).

I have always wondered why they bleed so easily when I brush, but got an

answer from my daughter's dentist. He said that brushing teeth is cosmetic,

but brushing gums is therapeutic.

The more your gums bleed, the better the supply of blood. The better the

supply of blood,

the healthier the teeth will be. So bleeding is actually a good sign.

Conversely, if your gums do

not bleed when you brush them, that could mean that your teeth are not

getting sufficient nutrition. I was surprised by this information, because I

had always been told that bleeding

from the gums was a bad sign. Since my teeth never give me any trouble, I

thought that this

must be wrong, but didn't have the missing piece of info.

Sorry I don't have more info on interaction between ozone and mercury

fillings...my

wife has 14 mercury fillings and she does ozone in her mouth as well as

rinse and spit

with ozonated water, as well as drinking ozonated water. No problems that we

can

determine....

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " moriamerri " <moriam@...>

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Subject: Re: Ozone and tooth enamel

Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:36:01 -0000

> Dear Erma,

>

> Very carefully! (couldn't resist)

>

> Just place the end of the tubing into your mouth, and close your mouth.

> Breathe through your nose only, and turn on the flow rate at 1/32 l/m.

> Turn on the generator. That's it.

>

Hello Saul, and Ken, and anyone else interested in this topic

of using ozone in one's mouth!

I have been also using ozone in my mouth (I increased the time

to 30 seconds after reading the post above). Currently I

am very interested in doing this since my recent dental appt

was told some areas are looking " questionable " so I'd like to

get them " improved " before I go back in. (I have 2 appts

scheduled soon to replace fillings which have decay under

them. Yuck.)

Anyhow, I am concerned about whether ozone will make the

filling materials in my mouth break down faster. It seems

to me that it will do this if I use ozone very much in mouth.

(I have some plastic stuff and a gold crown.... possibly a

3rd material, I'd have to check my notes though, I'm not

sure.) So, I'm not sure if I will do this regualarly, or

just as a special occassional procedure.

Saul, do you have any fillings? Do you just do it anyway, or

is there some reason you think it will not adversely affect

fillings.....

Any thoughts out there on this?

I would also ask this on the " healozone " (dental ozone) list,

but I think that device does not get ozone in the mouth much.

Also the treatments are for a very limited amount of time

(not on-going).

thanks for any thoughts on this.

Moria

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[Guest guest]

Don't know if this is related - I asked my dentist (who was extolling

the virtues of Hydrogen Peroxide as a mouthwash) if it would cause

the amalgam filling to leach out more mercury etc - she said she

thought so. I assumed this be the same for ozone.

>

>

>Anyhow, I am concerned about whether ozone will make the

>filling materials in my mouth break down faster. It seems

>to me that it will do this if I use ozone very much in mouth.

>(I have some plastic stuff and a gold crown.... possibly a

>3rd material, I'd have to check my notes though, I'm not

>sure.) So, I'm not sure if I will do this regualarly, or

>just as a special occassional procedure.

>

>

>Saul, do you have any fillings? Do you just do it anyway, or

>is there some reason you think it will not adversely affect

>fillings.....

>Any thoughts out there on this?

>

>

>thanks for any thoughts on this.

>

>Moria

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear Moria,

>

> Healozone has a cup that covers just one tooth at a time, so that is

> not relevant to your question.

so I have gathered. It only has the ozone on when it is " sealed "

to the tooth surface.

> I have been directing ozone towards it for the last

> year or so. I think

> it is getting smaller, at least it feels that way to my tongue and

when I

> insert a dental

> pick into it. I have thought about getting it filled, but have

decided to

> see if the

> ozone can help it remineralize. I have been doing ozone gas in my mouth

> sporadically

> for the last 11 years.

well, then you will be a good piece of data on this issue

> the healthier the teeth will be. So bleeding is actually a good sign.

> Conversely, if your gums do

> not bleed when you brush them, that could mean that your teeth are not

> getting sufficient nutrition. I was surprised by this information,

because I

> had always been told that bleeding

> from the gums was a bad sign.

yes, that is what I have heard too

> Sorry I don't have more info on interaction between ozone and mercury

> fillings...

oh, I don't have any mercury in my mouth! I have only plastic stuff,

maybe some ceramic stuff, and gold. No amalgam.

But it seems to me that ozone " breaks down " most materials.

Is that correct? It seems to be " hard on things " .

I've got a LOT of fillings. I don't want them falling apart.

Moria