Re:OUR PARONSOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

April 29, 2007

Gee Marge,

AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and have lived here in Canada

for several years and love it in comparison.

I was going to leave it alone but parts of your rebuttal I think are part of

y'alls current mess.

THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A BUNCH OF BRAVE WILD

ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED WAGONS

Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who slaughtered whole races of peoples

considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of almost extinction and

left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the Indians (natives?) The

original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot gut to natives to cheat

them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were formed to

keep them out of Canada.

The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many many years later

UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER. WE RESENT ANY

ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN DESTINY

Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the largest prison population

in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N. Korea, Communist China,

well ... everyone. And most of the population in prison are poor blacks.

Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your correspondances,

renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on Drugs, (ya'll are fond of

'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much endless.

Free to vote for government which is selected for your approval by the

largest total of money from corporate donations to which they are beholden

(military-industrial complex)

Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans are like the hells

angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary, malicious and dangerous in a

group.

Thought for the day

Total up all the countries who were once your friends and you later screwed

over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber (present day) which is not

the only incident, just the latest. Actually the shorter list would be the

ones that haven't been screwed over.

I DO realize that the majority of people in the US are very nice, wonderful,

compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's just your voices are

drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and shakers'

cheers

peter

--

First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

April 29, 2007

!

Thank you for saving me the trouble of having to write this kind of reply.

It is long overdue for Americans to give up their ideas of elitism, coming

to a grand country because our privileged ancestry had greater intelligence,

skill and nobility.

The US has been largely settled by bounty seekers and hunters who walked on

and over people to establish a thriving economy on the backs of a slave

class in the most oppressive and inhumane way in a country who claimed that

" all men were created equal. " (not women either) We still have a long way to

go to live up to that claim. We think that only money is proof of our

superiority. Finally we got rid of slavery but still had to hate someone,

guess who it was? Alas, civilizations do become vain....

Let's get organized around some good stuff like sharing KT! (among many

others)

cheers,

On 4/29/07, peter <ooptec@...> wrote:

>

> Gee Marge,

>

> AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

>

> I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and have lived here in

> Canada

> for several years and love it in comparison.

>

> I was going to leave it alone but parts of your rebuttal I think are part

> of

> y'alls current mess.

>

> THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A BUNCH OF BRAVE WILD

> ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED WAGONS

>

> Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who slaughtered whole races of

> peoples

> considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

>

> As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of almost extinction and

> left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the Indians (natives?) The

> original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot gut to natives to

> cheat

> them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

>

> Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were formed to

> keep them out of Canada.

>

> The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many many years later

>

> UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER. WE RESENT ANY

> ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN DESTINY

>

> Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the largest prison

> population

> in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N. Korea, Communist

> China,

> well ... everyone. And most of the population in prison are poor blacks.

>

> Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your correspondances,

> renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on Drugs, (ya'll are fond of

> 'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much endless.

>

> Free to vote for government which is selected for your approval by the

> largest total of money from corporate donations to which they are beholden

> (military-industrial complex)

>

> Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans are like the hells

> angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary, malicious and dangerous in

> a

> group.

>

> Thought for the day

> Total up all the countries who were once your friends and you later

> screwed

> over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber (present day) which is

> not

> the only incident, just the latest. Actually the shorter list would be the

> ones that haven't been screwed over.

>

> I DO realize that the majority of people in the US are very nice,

> wonderful,

> compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's just your voices are

> drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and shakers'

>

> cheers

>

> peter

>

> --

> First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

> The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

>

April 29, 2007

Hello,

Does this have anything to do with kombucha?

I am on plenty of political lists. And I think they are great. However, I am

not on this list for this kind of email. Perhaps I'm the only one who is

bothered by this, but perhaps not. May I suggest that you correspond directly

rather than through the list?

Regards,

Bruce

******

“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?”

Jalal ad-Din Rumi

Re:OUR PARONSOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

Gee Marge,

AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and have lived here in Canada

for several years and love it in comparison.

I was going to leave it alone but parts of your rebuttal I think are part of

y'alls current mess.

THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A BUNCH OF BRAVE WILD

ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED WAGONS

Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who slaughtered whole races of peoples

considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of almost extinction and

left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the Indians (natives?) The

original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot gut to natives to cheat

them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were formed to

keep them out of Canada.

The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many many years later

UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER. WE RESENT ANY

ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN DESTINY

Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the largest prison population

in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N. Korea, Communist China,

well ... everyone. And most of the population in prison are poor blacks.

Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your correspondances,

renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on Drugs, (ya'll are fond of

'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much endless.

Free to vote for government which is selected for your approval by the

largest total of money from corporate donations to which they are beholden

(military-industria l complex)

Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans are like the hells

angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary, malicious and dangerous in a

group.

Thought for the day

Total up all the countries who were once your friends and you later screwed

over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber (present day) which is not

the only incident, just the latest. Actually the shorter list would be the

ones that haven't been screwed over.

I DO realize that the majority of people in the US are very nice, wonderful,

compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's just your voices are

drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and shakers'

cheers

peter

--

First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

April 30, 2007

Hi Bruce and Everyone,

I agree, but since we are international I'm glad that

occasionally we go off topic to get a sense of who we

all are. I personally believe that if more of

us(including leaders of nations world-wide) took

better care of their health by using natural healing

things like KT, Kefir and locally grown herbs the

whole world would be better off. But there is lots of

greed, envy, blaming, shaming, judging and all kinds

of negative stuff done on a nation to nation basis.

And maybe....someday....as a world we will learn

enough to get a more positive spirit.

I'm trying to take care of myself. The information

that is shared here has been invaluable. I only hope

that I can keep sharing on topic. A little chaos

caused by off topic sharing may occasionally teach us

something about ourselves. Personally I want to

expand my understanding until I have genuine good

feelings for or at least tolerate as many variation of

human kind as possible.

To Your Health,

ann

- bruce <bvh1223@...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Does this have anything to do with kombucha?

>

> I am on plenty of political lists. And I think they

> are great. However, I am not on this list for this

> kind of email. Perhaps I'm the only one who is

> bothered by this, but perhaps not. May I suggest

> that you correspond directly rather than through the

> list?

>

> Regards,

> Bruce

>

> ******

> “If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be

> polished?”

> Jalal ad-Din Rumi

>

> Re:OUR PARONSOD NEIGHBORS TO THE

> SOUTH.

>

> Gee Marge,

>

> AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

>

> I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and

> have lived here in Canada

>

> for several years and love it in comparison.

>

> I was going to leave it alone but parts of your

> rebuttal I think are part of

>

> y'alls current mess.

>

> THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A

> BUNCH OF BRAVE WILD

>

> ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED

> WAGONS

>

> Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who

> slaughtered whole races of peoples

>

> considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

>

> As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of

> almost extinction and

>

> left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the

> Indians (natives?) The

>

> original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot

> gut to natives to cheat

>

> them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

>

> Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted

> Police were formed to

>

> keep them out of Canada.

>

> The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many

> many years later

>

> UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER.

> WE RESENT ANY

>

> ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN

> DESTINY

>

> Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the

> largest prison population

>

> in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N.

> Korea, Communist China,

>

> well ... everyone. And most of the population in

> prison are poor blacks.

>

> Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your

> correspondances,

>

> renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on

> Drugs, (ya'll are fond of

>

> 'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much

> endless.

>

> Free to vote for government which is selected for

> your approval by the

>

> largest total of money from corporate donations to

> which they are beholden

>

> (military-industria l complex)

>

> Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans

> are like the hells

>

> angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary,

> malicious and dangerous in a

>

> group.

>

> Thought for the day

>

> Total up all the countries who were once your

> friends and you later screwed

>

> over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber

> (present day) which is not

>

> the only incident, just the latest. Actually the

> shorter list would be the

>

> ones that haven't been screwed over.

>

> I DO realize that the majority of people in the US

> are very nice, wonderful,

>

> compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's

> just your voices are

>

> drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and

> shakers'

>

> cheers

>

> peter

>

> --

>

> First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

>

> The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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April 30, 2007

Hello....This is my first response...I've been watching this forum for

several weeks now..never responding...I use to make Kombucha years

ago..and have started again, so have been reading your comments to see

what I could learn about it. I came across this message..and I'm not

sure about it. I don't know where any of you are from. I'm a born

American and so proud and thankful to be a part of a great and free

country. But, I think I feel insulted here...maybe I missed something

in another message... maybe YOU are too intelligent..have greater

skill and nobility for me.....I just wanted to know more about

Kombucha-not how horrible my ancestors were or how stupid I am....Hope

I misread something somewhere...I thought this was a Kombucha forum

NOT a political forum.

Have a blessed day..

Marsha

-- In kombucha tea , " O " <susone@...> wrote:

>

> !

>

> Thank you for saving me the trouble of having to write this kind of

reply.

> It is long overdue for Americans to give up their ideas of elitism,

coming

> to a grand country because our privileged ancestry had greater

intelligence,

> skill and nobility.

>

> The US has been largely settled by bounty seekers and hunters who

walked on

> and over people to establish a thriving economy on the backs of a slave

> class in the most oppressive and inhumane way in a country who

claimed that

> " all men were created equal. " (not women either) We still have a

long way to

> go to live up to that claim. We think that only money is proof of our

> superiority. Finally we got rid of slavery but still had to hate

someone,

> guess who it was? Alas, civilizations do become vain....

>

> Let's get organized around some good stuff like sharing KT! (among many

> others)

>

> cheers,

>

> On 4/29/07, peter <ooptec@...> wrote:

> >

> > Gee Marge,

> >

> > AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

> >

> > I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and have lived here in

> > Canada

> > for several years and love it in comparison.

> >

> > I was going to leave it alone but parts of your rebuttal I think

are part

> > of

> > y'alls current mess.

> >

> > THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A BUNCH OF

BRAVE WILD

> > ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED WAGONS

> >

> > Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who slaughtered whole races of

> > peoples

> > considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

> >

> > As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of almost

extinction and

> > left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the Indians

(natives?) The

> > original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot gut to natives to

> > cheat

> > them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

> >

> > Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were

formed to

> > keep them out of Canada.

> >

> > The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many many years later

> >

> > UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER. WE RESENT ANY

> > ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN DESTINY

> >

> > Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the largest prison

> > population

> > in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N. Korea, Communist

> > China,

> > well ... everyone. And most of the population in prison are poor

blacks.

> >

> > Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your correspondances,

> > renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on Drugs, (ya'll are

fond of

> > 'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much endless.

> >

> > Free to vote for government which is selected for your approval by the

> > largest total of money from corporate donations to which they are

beholden

> > (military-industrial complex)

> >

> > Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans are like the hells

> > angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary, malicious and

dangerous in

> > a

> > group.

> >

> > Thought for the day

> > Total up all the countries who were once your friends and you later

> > screwed

> > over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber (present day)

which is

> > not

> > the only incident, just the latest. Actually the shorter list

would be the

> > ones that haven't been screwed over.

> >

> > I DO realize that the majority of people in the US are very nice,

> > wonderful,

> > compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's just your

voices are

> > drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and shakers'

> >

> > cheers

> >

> > peter

> >

> > --

> > First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

> > The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

> >

April 30, 2007

Bruce..thank you...I agree....Marsha

-- Re: Re:OUR PARONSOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

Hello,

Does this have anything to do with kombucha?

I am on plenty of political lists. And I think they are great. However, I

am not on this list for this kind of email. Perhaps I'm the only one who is

bothered by this, but perhaps not. May I suggest that you correspond

directly rather than through the list?

Regards,

Bruce

******

“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?”

Jalal ad-Din Rumi

Re:OUR PARONSOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.

Gee Marge,

AND I PROMISE NOT SHOUT lol

I am an american born and bred in Indianapolis and have lived here in Canada

for several years and love it in comparison.

I was going to leave it alone but parts of your rebuttal I think are part of

y'alls current mess.

THIS WONDERFUL, " SOUTHERN, " COUNTRY WAS SETTLED BY A BUNCH OF BRAVE WILD

ONES WHO DARED CROSS THE WILDERNESS IN COVERED WAGONS

Oh yea, but isn't this the same group who slaughtered whole races of peoples

considered substandard? (hmmm .... sounds like Iraq)

As well slaughtered buffalo (bison) to the point of almost extinction and

left them to rot so as to hasten the demise of the Indians (natives?) The

original settlers were whiskey merchants trading rot gut to natives to cheat

them out of furs ala British opium trade in China.

Which incedentally is why the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were formed to

keep them out of Canada.

The settlers (women, children and clergy) came many many years later

UNIQUE COUNTRY WHICH WE WANT TO KEEP FREE FOREVER. WE RESENT ANY

ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR FREEDOM TO WORK OUT OUR OWN DESTINY

Right, except y'all have the freedom to create the largest prison population

in the entire world. Larger than such resorts as N. Korea, Communist China,

well ... everyone. And most of the population in prison are poor blacks.

Also, the 'patriot act', NSA listeneng to all your correspondances,

renditions to torturing countries, Gitmo, War on Drugs, (ya'll are fond of

'wars'), CODEX, Jeeze the list is pretty much endless.

Free to vote for government which is selected for your approval by the

largest total of money from corporate donations to which they are beholden

(military-industria l complex)

Our opinion (not universal lol) is that americans are like the hells

angels, quite pleasant one at a time but scary, malicious and dangerous in a

group.

Thought for the day

Total up all the countries who were once your friends and you later screwed

over. Canada is on that list ala softwood lumber (present day) which is not

the only incident, just the latest. Actually the shorter list would be the

ones that haven't been screwed over.

I DO realize that the majority of people in the US are very nice, wonderful,

compassionate, caring peoples. This is a truth, It's just your voices are

drowned out and inaudible by the 'movers and shakers'

cheers

peter

--

First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of

The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode

April 30, 2007

Hi

This is could be a case of the moderators falling asleep at he wheel.. Looks

like the overwhelming sentiment is to close this thread... It simply does not

belong here

Frantz

marshacrt <marshacrt@...> wrote: