Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hi........I was wondering what concentration of ozone is possible using air as a feed......this is ok for olive oil and water ozonating right?.......[using corona].....does anyone know what concentration is possible using air?..thanks.......Robb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Air is only 20% oxygen. The generator will only be able to create ozone from the 20% oxygen content. The concentration of ozone will depend on the generator. Don't use an air fed generator for internal body use...use an oxygen fed machine for that. Dennis Robb wrote: >Hi........I was wondering what concentration of ozone is possible using air as a feed......this is ok for olive oil and water ozonating right?.......[using corona].....does anyone know what concentration is possible using air?..thanks.......Robb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Dear Gail, The concentration is one important parameter. 20 ug/ml is the accepted threshold of efficacy. 70 ug/ml is the accepted level of safety. Any concentration between these levels will be in the window of therapeutic effect. And the best response of the immune system is at the level of 45 - 55 ug/ml. Time is equally important as parameter of efficacy. Remember the CT value, the measure of oxidative work done. It is the product of concentration x time. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Rant and run Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 04:16:36 -0000 Hi Saul, Thank you for the explanation. I have a question, tho, if you don't mind. Tim said something about the concentration being so important. Could you explain a little about that as I know nothing about concentration. I don't even see it on any of the equipment I have of yours. Also, would it be ok to take some benadryl or would that be counter productive? Thanks, Gail > Dear Oxyplus Listmembers, > > Yesterday a post came through from Tim that you may have seen. > > It was filled with innuendo, unsubstantiated accusations and misinformation. > Not enough information was posted to allow a defence, or to check on the > reality of the charges. It was just character assassination with the > secondary > aim of promoting a bogus training course. > > Immediately after posting it, Tim went to " NO EMAIL " . > > Jim told me that " rant and run " types have no credibility and deserve > banning, > and I have done so. > > I don't consider it worth any of our time, so let's just ignore it the way > we do > when spammers break through. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul pressman > List moderator > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://hotmail.com/enca & HL=Mar ket_MSNIS_Taglines OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dear Tom, Singlet Oxygen, O1, has a higher oxidation potential than ozone and Hydroxyl, OH, has a higher oxidation potential than that. Hydroxyl is too powerful to use, except for industrial processes. There is a patented process called Peroxone, which uses ozonation of hydrogen peroxide to produce hydroxyl. This process is used by Los Angeles in their water treatment plant. Do NOT try this at home. O4 is two O2 molecules stuck together. They have no more energy than if they were not stuck together. (So much for Aran). O8 is four O2 molecules. Nothing special there either. It is the O5 molecule, the O6 (O3 + O3), the O7 and the O9 molecule that would be of interest. The odd numbered one is where the added energy is. It is actually the singlet oxygen that breaks off from ozone O3 that does the work. The other part of O3 is just O2. O3 => O2 + O1 There is gas mass spectrometer proof that heavier species exist (such as O6). There is no proof that this is of any importance. The CONCENTRATION is what is relevant. Too little is ineffective. Too much is immune suppressive. Our medical window is 20 - 75 ug/ml. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tom Harrelson " <tharrels1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Does ozone get rid of fluoride in water? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:13:18 -0000 Hi Donna! I looked at ALL of my online References and I couldn't find the Fact that Ozone (O3) NEUTRALIZES Flourides! It's probably because Flourine, being a Component of Fluoride Compounds, has a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage, than Ozone has (see chart below). The Polyatomic Molecules of Oxygen (O4 to O8), and NOT Ozone (O3), which are generated in a " Cold Plasma " Electrical Field have MANY MORE Electrons AVAILABLE than Ozone and so their Oxidant Potential Voltage should DEFINITELY be HIGHER than Ozone and may even be HIGHER than Fluorine. I posted the following Chart a few years, while I was doing Research for my various Ozone Fact Sheets, but I wasn't ABLE to find the Oxidant Potential Voltage for O4, let alone O5, O6, O7 and/or O8. I did find 2 other Molecules (atomic oxygen - O1 & hydroxyl radical - OH), which have a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (see chart below). I was SURPRISED to learn, after I did my Research, that MANY Websites, Ozone Organizations and Ozone Generator Manufacturers CLAIM that Ozone has the next HIGHEST Oxidant Potential Voltage to Fluorine, when in fact, these two other Molecules have a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (O3)! http://healingtools.tripod.com/ofs2h.html http://healingtools.tripod.com/OT_pages.html#ofs I'm NOW wondering, does Saul or ANYONE know the Oxidant Potential Voltages of the Polyatomic Oxygen Molecules - O4 to O8? " THANKS " for your " SHOCKED " Post! LOL Tom/Psa. 103:1-5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Well I am shocked. I had read that ozone got rid of flouride. I > believe it was in Ed McCabes book. Ugh. > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > >Dear Nenah, > > > >I looked for the answer to this question a number of years ago and couldn't > >get it. > >I still do not have an answer in the positive, so my assumption is that > >ozone does > >not remove fluoride from water. _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca & HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dear Tom, Singlet Oxygen, O1, has a higher oxidation potential than ozone and Hydroxyl, OH, has a higher oxidation potential than that. Hydroxyl is too powerful to use, except for industrial processes. There is a patented process called Peroxone, which uses ozonation of hydrogen peroxide to produce hydroxyl. This process is used by Los Angeles in their water treatment plant. Do NOT try this at home. O4 is two O2 molecules stuck together. They have no more energy than if they were not stuck together. (So much for Aran). O8 is four O2 molecules. Nothing special there either. It is the O5 molecule, the O6 (O3 + O3), the O7 and the O9 molecule that would be of interest. The odd numbered one is where the added energy is. It is actually the singlet oxygen that breaks off from ozone O3 that does the work. The other part of O3 is just O2. O3 => O2 + O1 There is gas mass spectrometer proof that heavier species exist (such as O6). There is no proof that this is of any importance. The CONCENTRATION is what is relevant. Too little is ineffective. Too much is immune suppressive. Our medical window is 20 - 75 ug/ml. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tom Harrelson " <tharrels1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Does ozone get rid of fluoride in water? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:13:18 -0000 Hi Donna! I looked at ALL of my online References and I couldn't find the Fact that Ozone (O3) NEUTRALIZES Flourides! It's probably because Flourine, being a Component of Fluoride Compounds, has a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage, than Ozone has (see chart below). The Polyatomic Molecules of Oxygen (O4 to O8), and NOT Ozone (O3), which are generated in a " Cold Plasma " Electrical Field have MANY MORE Electrons AVAILABLE than Ozone and so their Oxidant Potential Voltage should DEFINITELY be HIGHER than Ozone and may even be HIGHER than Fluorine. I posted the following Chart a few years, while I was doing Research for my various Ozone Fact Sheets, but I wasn't ABLE to find the Oxidant Potential Voltage for O4, let alone O5, O6, O7 and/or O8. I did find 2 other Molecules (atomic oxygen - O1 & hydroxyl radical - OH), which have a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (see chart below). I was SURPRISED to learn, after I did my Research, that MANY Websites, Ozone Organizations and Ozone Generator Manufacturers CLAIM that Ozone has the next HIGHEST Oxidant Potential Voltage to Fluorine, when in fact, these two other Molecules have a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (O3)! http://healingtools.tripod.com/ofs2h.html http://healingtools.tripod.com/OT_pages.html#ofs I'm NOW wondering, does Saul or ANYONE know the Oxidant Potential Voltages of the Polyatomic Oxygen Molecules - O4 to O8? " THANKS " for your " SHOCKED " Post! LOL Tom/Psa. 103:1-5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Well I am shocked. I had read that ozone got rid of flouride. I > believe it was in Ed McCabes book. Ugh. > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > >Dear Nenah, > > > >I looked for the answer to this question a number of years ago and couldn't > >get it. > >I still do not have an answer in the positive, so my assumption is that > >ozone does > >not remove fluoride from water. _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca & HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 > Dear Tom, > > Singlet Oxygen, O1, has a higher oxidation potential than ozone and > Hydroxyl, OH, has a higher oxidation potential than that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Saul, My Ozone Fact Sheet shows that that is correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hydroxyl is too powerful to use, except for industrial processes. There is a > patented process called Peroxone, which uses ozonation of hydrogen peroxide > to produce hydroxyl. This process is used by Los Angeles in their water > treatment plant. Do NOT try this at home. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I was recently emailed some Information from a Co. in Korea, which offers a Home Air and Water Purifier, that produces Hydroxyl (OH), but I can't seem to find it now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > O4 is two O2 molecules stuck together. They have no more energy than > if they were not stuck together. (So much for Aran). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isn't the term, Aran, also used to mean other higher Allotropes of Oxygen such as O5, O6, O7, O8, O9 & O10? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > O8 is four O2 molecules. Nothing special there either. > > It is the O5 molecule, the O6 (O3 + O3), the O7 and the O9 molecule that > would be of interest. The odd numbered one is where the added energy is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Doesn't Aran also encompass these Oxygen Molecules? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > It is actually the singlet oxygen that breaks off from ozone > O3 that does the work. The other part of O3 is just O2. > > O3 => O2 + O1 > > There is gas mass spectrometer proof that heavier species exist (such as > O6). > There is no proof that this is of any importance. > > The CONCENTRATION is what is relevant. > > Too little is ineffective. > Too much is immune suppressive. > > Our medical window is 20 - 75 ug/ml. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have these higher allotropes of Oxygen been tested for their Oxidant Potential Voltage? If they have, do the very high allotropes of Oxygen have a higher Oxidant Potential Voltage than Fluorine? And if they have, wouldn't they neutralize Fluorides? " THANKS " for your reply post! Tom/Psa. 33:12. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Tom Harrelson " <tharrels1@y...> > Reply-oxyplus > oxyplus > Subject: Re: Does ozone get rid of fluoride in water? > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:13:18 -0000 > > Hi Donna! I looked at ALL of my online References and I couldn't > find the Fact that Ozone (O3) NEUTRALIZES Flourides! It's probably > because Flourine, being a Component of Fluoride Compounds, has a > HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage, than Ozone has (see chart below). > > The Polyatomic Molecules of Oxygen (O4 to O8), and NOT Ozone (O3), > which are generated in a " Cold Plasma " Electrical Field have MANY > MORE Electrons AVAILABLE than Ozone and so their Oxidant Potential > Voltage should DEFINITELY be HIGHER than Ozone and may even be HIGHER > than Fluorine. > > I posted the following Chart a few years, while I was doing Research > for my various Ozone Fact Sheets, but I wasn't ABLE to find the > Oxidant Potential Voltage for O4, let alone O5, O6, O7 and/or O8. I > did find 2 other Molecules (atomic oxygen - O1 & hydroxyl radical - > OH), which have a HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (see > chart below). I was SURPRISED to learn, after I did my Research, > that MANY Websites, Ozone Organizations and Ozone Generator > Manufacturers CLAIM that Ozone has the next HIGHEST Oxidant Potential > Voltage to Fluorine, when in fact, these two other Molecules have a > HIGHER Oxidant Potential Voltage than Ozone (O3)! > > http://healingtools.tripod.com/ofs2h.html > http://healingtools.tripod.com/OT_pages.html#ofs > > I'm NOW wondering, does Saul or ANYONE know the Oxidant Potential > Voltages of the Polyatomic Oxygen Molecules - O4 to O8? > > " THANKS " for your " SHOCKED " Post! LOL > > Tom/Psa. 103:1-5. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Well I am shocked. I had read that ozone got rid of flouride. I > > believe it was in Ed McCabes book. Ugh. > > Donna > > http://www.excellentthings.com > > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > >Dear Nenah, > > > > > >I looked for the answer to this question a number of years ago and > couldn't > > >get it. > > >I still do not have an answer in the positive, so my assumption is > that > > >ozone does > > >not remove fluoride from water. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® > SmartScreen Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://hotmail.com/enca & HL=Mar ket_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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