Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

[Guest guest]

Actually Jay. The body needs to produce free radicals, much like a fire with

sufficient oxygen produces clean ash. The fact that their is more oxygen than

can be burnt is good for the fire (energy within the body). If you don't have

enough oxygen, big lumps of unburnt charcoal will remain. The body with a lot

of oxygen/ozone will create a lot of free radicals but will have the energy to

eliminate them out of the body. Anti-oxidants, in my understanding, are just

suppressing the free radicals just as water would subdue the ash but not get rid

of it unless you use a lot to wash it away but it is not the way the body is

meant to operate in a perfect world. We need more ozone and/or oxygen to

function perfectly.

Sorry, not a great scientific explanation but I am hoping that Saul will respond

to that. I know he feels there is a big fallacy in the way the free radical

phobia has been transmitted by the media but his explanation is much more

scientific. :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

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My controversy with Ozone/Saul

Hello Saul,

I've been on this list for maybe 9 months now. I can tell your a very

knowledgeable man. I have a thought. I've been reading bits and pieces from

all the ozone threads. From what I gather ozone is a " Free radical. " The

body uses anti-oxidants to fight off free radicals. That tells me that

that's not what the body needs. Are you sure that using ozone isn't similar

to the use of medication. Going for the apparent fix. Are you fighting the

cause or the symptom? Thank you Dr. Saul.

jay

[Guest guest]

Jay,

I'm not Saul but I'll chime in.

Ozone is a delivery system for singlet oxygen to the body. My

understanding is that the body is designed to operate in an oxygen rich

environment i.e. it uses oxygen to oxidize glucose for energy, and it

uses oxygen to take out the garbage. Insufficient oxygen results in

impaired oxidation resulting in a " dirty " burn which creates more

garbage that the body has a reduced capacity to remove due to the

already present lowered oxygen levels. What we have is a negative spiral

of impairment leading the body to downwardly adapt to lower and lower

levels of function. By flooding the body with oxygen, you set into

motion the mechanism of demolition ( thank you Saul for the metaphor),

in other words the body uses the oxygen to start cleaning out. Of course

you must also pay attention to the reconstruction phase.... nutrition.

So the oxygen does two important things, it burns up toxins and microbes

and restablishes efficient and clean oxidation of glucose. Healthy cells

produce antioxident enzymes to protect cell membranes from oxidative

damage. Ozone upregulates the production of these enzymes.

Dennis

Jay Ice wrote:

>Hello Saul,

>I've been on this list for maybe 9 months now. I can tell your a very

>knowledgeable man. I have a thought. I've been reading bits and pieces from

>all the ozone threads. From what I gather ozone is a " Free radical. " The

>body uses anti-oxidants to fight off free radicals. That tells me that

>that's not what the body needs. Are you sure that using ozone isn't similar

>to the use of medication. Going for the apparent fix. Are you fighting the

>cause or the symptom? Thank you Dr. Saul.

>jay

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

>

>

>

>

>>Ozone will repair whatever is wrong with the kidney and make it as good as

>>new.

>>Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

For the short answer, yes, ozone is a free radical. So what?

If you believe all free radicals are harmful, you have swallowed

a bill of goods.

Without free radicals there would be NO CHEMICAL REACTIONS in your body.

That means instant death. INSTANT.

If you don't believe me, here is what Drs. Deepak Chopra, Horst Kief, and

Freibott, had to say about free radicals:

" THE FREE RADICAL THEORY - Dr. Deepak Chopra

In the 1950s, Dr. Denham Harman of the University of Nebraska theorized that

free radicals are an important cause of aging at the cellular level. This is

believed to happen through a process called cross-linkage, a chemical

reaction that locks up the outer atomic shells of collagen. The cause of

cross-linkage is thought to be the tendency of free radicals to bind

indiscriminately with many vital molecules in the body, including DNA.

Cross-linkage is only one example of the damage free radicals can inflict.

They can supposedly split up molecules, garble information in cells, clog

cell membranes, promote cancerous mutations, and impair the function of the

mitochondria (the energy factories inside each cell). Free radicals will

attack almost any molecule; the extent of the damage they do is so wide that

the free radical theory of aging has grown in popularity with each passing

decade.

Paradoxically, free radicals are necessary to life. A free radical is really

a temporary stopping-point leading from one stable molecule to another. The

normal life-span of such unstable particles is thousandths of a second;

millions of these fleeting molecules are emitted in every cell as it burns

sugar with life-giving oxygen.

Why does the body produce free radicals? They are the natural product of any

chemical reaction and they fit into the body's overall balance. In the

immune system, white blood cells use free radicals in hydrogen peroxide to

destroy invading bacteria and viruses. In that role, the free radical's

tendency to latch onto anything in sight saves your life daily.

To protect itself from any damage, every cell produces enzymes to neutralize

free radicals. These free radical scavengers include superoxide dismutase,

glutathione peroxidase and catalase. In recent times, people have been urged

to take large amounts of free radical scavengers in order to minimize cell

damage. However, the eminent Japanese medical investigator Dr. Yukie Niwa,

himself a staunch proponent of the free radical theory, has demonstrated in

the laboratory that dosing a culture of cells with these products does

little to decrease free radical production. It would be still less effective

for a person to swallow these scavengers, as most would be nullified by

digestive juices long before they got to the cells they were meant to

protect.

The whole life extension enterprise misses the point. The damage caused by

free radicals is secondary, not causal. In its normal state, the body

controls free radicals as a matter of course. Your body is not blindly

fighting for its life against “bad” chemicals; such a notion is far too

simplistic. If you could view a cell as it produces its myriad free radicals

and myriad scavengers at the same time, you would see the two floating

around in the same environment, not like loose cannons, but closely

monitored and controlled by the cell. Both are kept in balance and used as

the cell requires, in serene harmony.

It has not been shown that older people have necessarily higher levels of

free radicals in their cells or lower levels of scavengers. Free radical

damage is only one type of imbalance that can occur at the cellular level.

If the body's generative powers are at optimum, disorder and chaos do not

attack a cell.

FREE RADICALS, OZONE AND ANTIOXIDANTS - Dr. Horst Kief

As with everything on our planet, both oxygen and antioxidants have two

sides, the positive and the negative. On one side, free radicals will age us

quicker; on the other side, without them we have no immune system. It is

not well known that oxygen is bound to our hemoglobin as a superoxide anion,

so the oxygen in our breathing process is already there as a radical.

It is the same with antioxidants. Antioxidants are often prescribed to be

taken along with the use of ozone. These are not simply opposites that

cancel each other out, but rather, a thoughtful optimization, since most

antioxidants have very specific tasks. Vitamin E is active at the cell

membrane. Vitamin C is itself a radical that can speed the electron flow

through oxidation. If ozone is taken for a long time at a high dose, it is

wise to take Vitamin A as a preventive measure to prevent the problems of

Vitamin A deficiency.

In summary, both effects have their function and their place in a symbiotic

relationship.

OXIDATION: THE KEY TO CANCER AND DEGENERATIVE DISEASE - Dr. Freibott

What is oxidation? A substance undergoes oxidation if it loses electrons,

loses hydrogen, or gains oxygen. When oxygen is combined with sugar in the

cell, ATP is formed and water and carbon dioxide are the waste products.

This process of oxidation occurs constantly in the cells. Without this

process taking place, life would cease very, very quickly. We take in

oxygen, through our respiratory exchanges, and dispose of body effete, also

referred to as ‘toxins’. Our blood has the function of picking up crucial

oxygen from the lungs, transporting it to the cells, and disposing of toxins

formed there.

Often today we hear of the ‘toxic free radicals’ and the free radical theory

of disease causation. Yet, without free radicals the body ceases to exist.

Oxygen and ozone break down to unpaired, freely bonding electron sub-units

able to combine with other free radicals. These new compounds can then be

excreted. The common belief today is “Free radicals are bad, nasty, harmful

to the human body.” Do not be fooled! Free radicals are necessary to the

functioning and nutrition of the human organism. It is the excessive

proliferation of free radicals that are unnecessary to metabolic function

and nutrition, and that are not scavenged by enzymes because of toxic

buildup, that are harmful to the human organism.

Why are we now discussing free radicals? Because free radicals are either a

boon or a bane to the state of health and homeostasis. Without the free

radical oxygen, also known as O1 or nascent oxygen, ‘nasty, destructive’

free radicals cannot be efficiently eliminated by the body. The nascent free

radical oxygen seeks out and combines with toxic free radicals. These

destructive free radicals have accumulated due to the absence of healthy

‘free radical’ oxygen. This absence has hindered the whole oxidative cycle

of our aerobic bodies. The ingestion of ozone and magnesium peroxide raise

the level of oxygen in the body, and contribute to improved health through

improved oxidation and oxygenation.

Harmful free radicals come from :

- smoking

- constipation

- trans fatty acids and rancid oils

- carbon monoxide

- nitrosamines (chemical food additives)

- radiation (such as X-rays)

- chlorinated water

- heavy metals "

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:48:33 -0500

Hello Saul,

I've been on this list for maybe 9 months now. I can tell your a very

knowledgeable man. I have a thought. I've been reading bits and pieces from

all the ozone threads. From what I gather ozone is a " Free radical. " The

body uses anti-oxidants to fight off free radicals. That tells me that

that's not what the body needs. Are you sure that using ozone isn't similar

to the use of medication. Going for the apparent fix. Are you fighting the

cause or the symptom? Thank you Dr. Saul.

jay

----- Original Message -----

From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

> Ozone will repair whatever is wrong with the kidney and make it as good

as

> new.

> Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

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[Guest guest]

Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it as an

insufflation.)

However, there can be too much of a good thing.

I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful results.

Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference in

my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major difference.

My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants, and use

the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not count on

it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

defenses.

[Guest guest]

> Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

> Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it as an

> insufflation.)

> However, there can be too much of a good thing.

> I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful results.

> Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference in

> my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

> other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major difference.

> My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants, and use

> the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

> This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not count on

> it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

> defenses.

Arthur,

I have always personally questioned your OBSESSIVE tendency to 'listen

to your intuition' in trying to determine your treatments. Yes, one

should listen to their body, but it is simply irresponsible to believe

that you'll get it right every time - in fact, I personally believe that

you would have more of a tendency to get it WRONG, because you would

tend to believe just what you 'wanted' to believe.

Saul suggested that maybe, just maybe it was your OBSESSIVE use of liver

flushes - I vividly remember you talking about the incredible quantity

of flushes you were doing and Sauls cuation flags at the time.

Also, above you talk about daily injections of 50cc for 200+ days

straight - this, too, is OBSESSIVE behavior, and yes, even ozone taken

at THESE extremes just might not be a good thing - but that certainly

doesnt warrant your labeling ozone as bad - it does, however, warrant

lableing OBSESSIVE USE OF ANY TREATMENT as bad.

Saul just suggested that maybe, just maybe, these were the cause of your

aging face syndrome, and you have ignored that suggestion. I do believe

that if Ozone were the cause

I think you need to take a long, hard look at the 'system' you are using

for treating your self.

Just mnsho...

[Guest guest]

Its not Arthur who injected the ozone and aged himself - its someone called

Mike. Arthur looks very young by all accounts ;-)

Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

> Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

> Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it as an

> insufflation.)

> However, there can be too much of a good thing.

> I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful results.

> Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference in

> my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

> other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major difference.

> My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants, and use

> the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

> This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not count on

> it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

> defenses.

Arthur,

I have always personally questioned your OBSESSIVE tendency to 'listen

to your intuition' in trying to determine your treatments. Yes, one

should listen to their body, but it is simply irresponsible to believe

that you'll get it right every time - in fact, I personally believe that

you would have more of a tendency to get it WRONG, because you would

tend to believe just what you 'wanted' to believe.

Saul suggested that maybe, just maybe it was your OBSESSIVE use of liver

flushes - I vividly remember you talking about the incredible quantity

of flushes you were doing and Sauls cuation flags at the time.

Also, above you talk about daily injections of 50cc for 200+ days

straight - this, too, is OBSESSIVE behavior, and yes, even ozone taken

at THESE extremes just might not be a good thing - but that certainly

doesnt warrant your labeling ozone as bad - it does, however, warrant

lableing OBSESSIVE USE OF ANY TREATMENT as bad.

Saul just suggested that maybe, just maybe, these were the cause of your

aging face syndrome, and you have ignored that suggestion. I do believe

that if Ozone were the cause

I think you need to take a long, hard look at the 'system' you are using

for treating your self.

Just mnsho...

[Guest guest]

There seems like a lot of " reading into " , instead of reading my post. I

did not do 200 LFs. I did 200 IV o3 over a period of 1 1/2 yrs. I did

this with the suggestion of 2 " authorities " on this list, and not a word

of caution from either.

If it makes you feel better, blame me for being obsessive.

I'm just telling folks that I think o3 is a useful tool, but to be

careful, and don't do it blindly. I think my posts reflect that.

Insufflation is probably the best for liver ailments after all. I don't

blame anyone. I was told that IV o3 is best 8 years ago, so I had

previous reference. At one time, I promoted it as well, even making a

video to share. But in hindsight, I don't think it's a good idea, unless

you have access to treatment to deal with the oxidative stress.

I am puzzled how this message gets misconstued.

[Guest guest]

Many times we get misconstrued online as there is no tone, and people

read quickly and don't have the whole picture. For example, Gale is

convinced I had a local source of h202...and that I already have an

ozone sauna.

I think what you are saying now makes sense: balance. Listen to

your body. Make sure to detox, and perhaps add in antioxidants to

quench free radical damage particularly if you're killing off a lot

of stuff at once.

No therapy is without side effects.

> There seems like a lot of " reading into " , instead of reading my

post. I

> did not do 200 LFs. I did 200 IV o3 over a period of 1 1/2 yrs. I

did

> this with the suggestion of 2 " authorities " on this list, and not a

word

> of caution from either.

> If it makes you feel better, blame me for being obsessive.

> I'm just telling folks that I think o3 is a useful tool, but to be

> careful, and don't do it blindly. I think my posts reflect that.

> Insufflation is probably the best for liver ailments after all. I

don't

> blame anyone. I was told that IV o3 is best 8 years ago, so I had

> previous reference. At one time, I promoted it as well, even

making a

> video to share. But in hindsight, I don't think it's a good idea,

unless

> you have access to treatment to deal with the oxidative stress.

> I am puzzled how this message gets misconstued.

[Guest guest]

" No therapy is without side effects. "

Actually, NO THERAPY HAS SIDE EFFECTS! I wish we could all get away from hits

idea that " one " effect is the effect and the others are " side " effects. I am

not picking on you because this is how it is used and why drug companies manage

to push some of the horrendous drugs on the unwitting populace. Everything has

a certain number of effects, they just choose the one they want and call the

rest " side " effects.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

Many times we get misconstrued online as there is no tone, and people

read quickly and don't have the whole picture. For example, Gale is

convinced I had a local source of h202...and that I already have an

ozone sauna.

I think what you are saying now makes sense: balance. Listen to

your body. Make sure to detox, and perhaps add in antioxidants to

quench free radical damage particularly if you're killing off a lot

of stuff at once.

No therapy is without side effects.

[Guest guest]

did you ever do sauna's?.....or was it always iv?.........just

curious.......Robb

Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

There seems like a lot of " reading into " , instead of reading my post. I

did not do 200 LFs. I did 200 IV o3 over a period of 1 1/2 yrs. I did

this with the suggestion of 2 " authorities " on this list, and not a word

of caution from either.

If it makes you feel better, blame me for being obsessive.

I'm just telling folks that I think o3 is a useful tool, but to be

careful, and don't do it blindly. I think my posts reflect that.

Insufflation is probably the best for liver ailments after all. I don't

blame anyone. I was told that IV o3 is best 8 years ago, so I had

previous reference. At one time, I promoted it as well, even making a

video to share. But in hindsight, I don't think it's a good idea, unless

you have access to treatment to deal with the oxidative stress.

I am puzzled how this message gets misconstued.

[Guest guest]

Robb, I've done o3 everyway mentioned on this list.

[Guest guest]

> Robb, I've done o3 everyway mentioned on this list.

......and what was the outcome of your doing those therapies?

Judy