Re: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

[Guest guest]

Jill, one other note...the ozone sauna did not stir up mercury until after

about 20 saunas. I find this fascinating. I think its because it had to get

deep enough through the " layers " to encounter where my body was storing mercury.

Just as Saul suggests, it seems that ozone therapy is cumulative in that

each new session gets a little deeper.

> Saul, do you have any thoughts about the idea that suggests

> that ozone sauna stirs up mercury? My recollection is there is no

> data suggesting ozone can chelate mercury (from our phone talk) but

> that it does oxidize iron....

>

[Guest guest]

Not necessarily. Whether or not you become mercury toxic has nothing to do

with your fillings. Just like some people can tolerate strawberries and others

can't, its the same with mercury.

Its an individual thing. Some people can have a mouth full of fillings and

work in a mercury mine and not get toxic.

Other people can be exposed once, to a tiny amount, and be sick forever.

> Dear Jill,

>

> I am skeptical.

>

> My wife has 14 mercury fillings and has done an enormous amount of

> ozone, in every way possible. She has overcome fibromyalgia and

> chronic fatigue, and is healthier now than she has been for 25 years.

>

> If ozone did move mercury around, surely she would have felt something.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Thats wrong jill. I know these are mercury symptoms because I get the same

symptoms when I take too much DMPS. DMPS only moves mercury (and cadnium,

copper, and a few other things...)

> Thanx Saul. Don't know why I'm up this late. Anyway, I think we all

> tend to " self diagnose " our symptoms, thus I am not sure what Arthur

> and are experiencing is mercury toxicity or mercury

> redistribution. It could be any form of toxic load. The only way

> one would know is if one could biopsy various tissues before and

> after sauna.

[Guest guest]

Thats wrong jill. I know these are mercury symptoms because I get the same

symptoms when I take too much DMPS. DMPS only moves mercury (and cadnium,

copper, and a few other things...)

> Thanx Saul. Don't know why I'm up this late. Anyway, I think we all

> tend to " self diagnose " our symptoms, thus I am not sure what Arthur

> and are experiencing is mercury toxicity or mercury

> redistribution. It could be any form of toxic load. The only way

> one would know is if one could biopsy various tissues before and

> after sauna.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jill,

I am skeptical.

My wife has 14 mercury fillings and has done an enormous amount of

ozone, in every way possible. She has overcome fibromyalgia and

chronic fatigue, and is healthier now than she has been for 25 years.

If ozone did move mercury around, surely she would have felt something.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:03:49 -0000

Saul, do you have any thoughts about the idea that suggests

that ozone sauna stirs up mercury? My recollection is there is no

data suggesting ozone can chelate mercury (from our phone talk) but

that it does oxidize iron....

> Yes, we are doing ozone still. He doesn't have an ozone sauna. We

both do

> ear, rectal, and ozonated water, and I do the sauna.

>

> The sauna stirs too much mercury up in me at this time so I can't

do it as

> much as I'd like. But my mercury symptoms are improving

dramatically.

>

> The ozone treatments are excellent and a core part of Marc and my

program.

>

>

>

>

> > Are you and Marc still doing the ozone? I haven't noticed either

of

> > you saying much about it lately.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jill,

I am skeptical.

My wife has 14 mercury fillings and has done an enormous amount of

ozone, in every way possible. She has overcome fibromyalgia and

chronic fatigue, and is healthier now than she has been for 25 years.

If ozone did move mercury around, surely she would have felt something.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

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Subject: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:03:49 -0000

Saul, do you have any thoughts about the idea that suggests

that ozone sauna stirs up mercury? My recollection is there is no

data suggesting ozone can chelate mercury (from our phone talk) but

that it does oxidize iron....

> Yes, we are doing ozone still. He doesn't have an ozone sauna. We

both do

> ear, rectal, and ozonated water, and I do the sauna.

>

> The sauna stirs too much mercury up in me at this time so I can't

do it as

> much as I'd like. But my mercury symptoms are improving

dramatically.

>

> The ozone treatments are excellent and a core part of Marc and my

program.

>

>

>

>

> > Are you and Marc still doing the ozone? I haven't noticed either

of

> > you saying much about it lately.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe ozone " chelates " mercury but MAY oxidize it into a form that the

body can more easily handle through its normal detox pathways. Chelate comes

from the Greek for " grab " and DMSA, etc chelating agents actually bind to the

mercury and take it out of the body. Ozone, I think, just oxidizes the mercury

and/or destroys the cells damaged by the mercury and the mercury is then

mobilized to go out with the sweat, rash/ooze and/or the normal detox pathways

as it is released into the lymph system. Therefore, I believe that it is quite

possible for you to feel the effects of mercury being re-distributed but some is

going to go out of the body before it re-settles, thereby reducing the total

body load. This is only my logic, putting things together from all the stuff I

have read on chelation as well as ozone. Don't have one single study that

brings this all together and we probably never will get one. Our Aussie

professor is probably the one that comes closest. I would love to hear his take

on my theory. If you agree with the theory you may want to try a small amount

of DMSA soon about 1 hour after your ozone, again at 4 hours and 8 hours after.

I estimate these times as 6 hours after ozone is when the ozone rash/itch begins

for me so you may want to change them for went it get active for you.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

Jill, one other note...the ozone sauna did not stir up mercury until after

about 20 saunas. I find this fascinating. I think its because it had to get

deep enough through the " layers " to encounter where my body was storing

mercury.

Just as Saul suggests, it seems that ozone therapy is cumulative in that

each new session gets a little deeper.

> Saul, do you have any thoughts about the idea that suggests

> that ozone sauna stirs up mercury? My recollection is there is no

> data suggesting ozone can chelate mercury (from our phone talk) but

> that it does oxidize iron....

[Guest guest]

yes ken, i agree with you 100 percent.

however the key point is the rate at which you stir it up vs the rate at which

you excrete it. stirring too much puts it in your brain, and this is the last

thing that anyone wants. not a trivial point at all.

i have found that due to how aggressive the ozone is, much more mercury gets

stirred up than is released in sweat. this is why i bought the fir sauna and it

has worked very well in that regard. also keep in mind that mercury toxic people

can have impaired normal routes of excretion. so the sweat issue becomes

crucial.

the one thing i havent done is push the ozone limit to where i get a rash. i

have opted to clean my liver out instead. with regard to mercury, it is too much

of a gamble for me to push this envelope and hope.

another sense i have is that the way ozone affects mercury is by increasing

glutathione. i always have mercury reactions whenever i take anything that

enhances glutathione.

[Guest guest]

yes ken, i agree with you 100 percent.

however the key point is the rate at which you stir it up vs the rate at which

you excrete it. stirring too much puts it in your brain, and this is the last

thing that anyone wants. not a trivial point at all.

i have found that due to how aggressive the ozone is, much more mercury gets

stirred up than is released in sweat. this is why i bought the fir sauna and it

has worked very well in that regard. also keep in mind that mercury toxic people

can have impaired normal routes of excretion. so the sweat issue becomes

crucial.

the one thing i havent done is push the ozone limit to where i get a rash. i

have opted to clean my liver out instead. with regard to mercury, it is too much

of a gamble for me to push this envelope and hope.

another sense i have is that the way ozone affects mercury is by increasing

glutathione. i always have mercury reactions whenever i take anything that

enhances glutathione.

[Guest guest]

Wow, thanks Saul. That about puts paid to my theory unless those 14 fillings

are keeping her from attaining Super-woman status! :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

Dear Jill,

I am skeptical.

My wife has 14 mercury fillings and has done an enormous amount of

ozone, in every way possible. She has overcome fibromyalgia and

chronic fatigue, and is healthier now than she has been for 25 years.

If ozone did move mercury around, surely she would have felt something.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Wow, thanks Saul. That about puts paid to my theory unless those 14 fillings

are keeping her from attaining Super-woman status! :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: Ozone sauna mercury chelation--Saul?

Dear Jill,

I am skeptical.

My wife has 14 mercury fillings and has done an enormous amount of

ozone, in every way possible. She has overcome fibromyalgia and

chronic fatigue, and is healthier now than she has been for 25 years.

If ozone did move mercury around, surely she would have felt something.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Thanx Saul. Don't know why I'm up this late. Anyway, I think we all

tend to " self diagnose " our symptoms, thus I am not sure what Arthur

and are experiencing is mercury toxicity or mercury

redistribution. It could be any form of toxic load. The only way

one would know is if one could biopsy various tissues before and

after sauna.

> > Yes, we are doing ozone still. He doesn't have an ozone sauna.

We

> both do

> > ear, rectal, and ozonated water, and I do the sauna.

> >

> > The sauna stirs too much mercury up in me at this time so I can't

> do it as

> > much as I'd like. But my mercury symptoms are improving

> dramatically.

> >

> > The ozone treatments are excellent and a core part of Marc and my

> program.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Are you and Marc still doing the ozone? I haven't noticed

either

> of

> > > you saying much about it lately.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanx Saul. Don't know why I'm up this late. Anyway, I think we all

tend to " self diagnose " our symptoms, thus I am not sure what Arthur

and are experiencing is mercury toxicity or mercury

redistribution. It could be any form of toxic load. The only way

one would know is if one could biopsy various tissues before and

after sauna.

> > Yes, we are doing ozone still. He doesn't have an ozone sauna.

We

> both do

> > ear, rectal, and ozonated water, and I do the sauna.

> >

> > The sauna stirs too much mercury up in me at this time so I can't

> do it as

> > much as I'd like. But my mercury symptoms are improving

> dramatically.

> >

> > The ozone treatments are excellent and a core part of Marc and my

> program.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Are you and Marc still doing the ozone? I haven't noticed

either

> of

> > > you saying much about it lately.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

saul

according to andy cutler, once you remove your fillings, the body starts a

massive dump of stored mercury. this is the mercury that does damage since only

a certain amount can be released from fillings at one time. your wife might

still have recovered from cfs and still have alot of stored mercury. it is

possible also that ozone will not react with mercury bound in fillings,. but

might react unpredictably with free floating mercury in blood, tissue or organs.

this makes sense to me because ozone is not a chelator per se, whereas dmps or

dmsa will aggressively bind with mercury and try to take it out of amalgam in

teeth.

i found my metabolism changed greatly after removal of my fillings. i suspect

andy cutler is correct in his theory.i passed a three foot worm a few days after

my last tooth replacement.

also, keep in mind that amalgams can be a lesser source of mercury than vaccines

and other environmental exposure. it is also possible that your wife's cfs was

not caused by mercury.

now we have two people on this list, myself and bryan who definitely feel ozone

doing something to mercury.

i think you mentioned once that ozone recharges glutathione??? if this is so

then it could explain how mercury gets moved around by the effect of ozone

rather than the ozone itself.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps. Or perhaps toxic overload of certain channels causes similar

symptoms. For instance, I am not convinced that my doug machine

heart palpitations were based on a heart herx since I have no other

heart symptoms with any other modality to treat lyme (abx,

hyperbaric, ozone, herbs). I think it is because the EM field is so

strong. But nobody can say for sure unless they biopsy my tissue. I

think we are on shaky ground when we start diagnosing what is going

on at a cellular level from our reactions. Similarly with samento--

many have jitteriness or insomnia. For some this might be a herx,

for others just a reaction to the herb. Saying it is one or the

other definitively is speculation.

In any case, from what I've read and heard I remain doubtful about

ozone and mercury. But if I get a response similar to DMSA (i.e. if

it redistributes methyl mercury and I get kidney pain) then I will

change my tune.

Re: ALA, your question in your email, it just doesn't seem to affect

me one way or the other. I tend to gravitate toward therapies that

have an effect I can feel, that's all. So popping a pill that seems

innocuous, I just don't do it. Could be I'm wrong, but the bottle

sits there in my cabinet. I can feel an effect for other things and

even a craving--like my echinacea, my cranberry, and selenium.

> Thats wrong jill. I know these are mercury symptoms because I get

the same

> symptoms when I take too much DMPS. DMPS only moves mercury (and

cadnium,

> copper, and a few other things...)

>

> > Thanx Saul. Don't know why I'm up this late. Anyway, I think we

all

> > tend to " self diagnose " our symptoms, thus I am not sure what

Arthur

> > and are experiencing is mercury toxicity or mercury

> > redistribution. It could be any form of toxic load. The only

way

> > one would know is if one could biopsy various tissues before and

> > after sauna.

>

>

>

>