Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

[Guest guest]

> Ray Saarela, specialist on mercury detoxing disacrease strongly on

many issues with Andy Cutler, stating that his advices are dangerous

for sensitive people.

> Advices about ALA, DMPS protocols especially.

>

> Just for your info.

>

>

>

Thanks for the tip, .

I'm aware of Ray, not all of his views, but generally.

Moria

[Guest guest]

I would be enormously pleased if in general, in addressing subjects,

you refrained from black and white pronouncements, that one way is

the only way, and also eliminated percentages.

Runner21 (Misty) is getting better on his protocol. Gigi was cured.

Both had heavy metal contamination.

> Dietrich Klinghartd is a great doctor with good intentions and a

heart for

> people.

>

> However, his approach to heavy metal detox is wickedly insane and

should be

> considered desperation medicine at best, and criminal at worst.

>

> I propose that the patients who DID " get well " using his metal

techniques

> weren't actually severely poisoned in the first place.

>

> The actually severely poisoned patients who go to see him (I can

think of two

> off the top of my head) have gotten permanantly (or long term)

worse, and

> felt their lives were in danger.

>

> Otherwise, the guy does know his stuff, ART, kinesiology, Lyme

stuff...He is

> a good doctor.

>

>

>

> > Several lymies have gotten well using Klinghardt's method and

feel he

> > saved their lives. That includes the way he approaches

mercury/metals.

> >

> > >> & Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and others also use Kinesiology for

> > >activating detox and so they state with good results

> > >

> > >I'm familiar with Dr Klinghardt and his methods. I've read

> > >some of his writing and would not recommend using his methods.

> > >

> > >good wishes,

> > >Moria

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Unfortunately there are organs in the body that mercury is bound tightly

to and will never leave without proper chelating agents.

Does the electrical charge situation have anything to do with what traps it?

J.

[Guest guest]

Ray Saarela was extremely poisoned from dental amalgam for many years.

His mother was a dentist assistent in Finland, she used to paste the mercury

amalgams in here hand (no gloves) in those times. This she also did during

pregnance of Ray.

So he was born with a high amount of mercury (mothers body dumps 4 times the

amount of mercury in the fetus then the motherbody holds hereself. The fetus is

used as a waste bin, (Prof Daunderer has done extensive autopsy studies that

resulted in this conclusion, the amount of mercury in the fetus is direct

related to the amount of amalgams in the mouth of the mother he concluded)

During his puberty up to his mid thirties every year Ray's amalgam fillings

were all replaced because he had very bad teeth which did not hold the fillings

well.

So he got approximately 250 amalgamfillings placed in his mouth during these

years. With every removal (drilling) of old fillings and placement of new

amalgam fillings large amounts of mercury are released in the mouth as mercury-

particles and fumes.

Many years after the removal of the last amalgam fillings and many years of

detoxing, the amount of mercury vapor in his mouth was still higher then many

people have even with their amalgams still in place.

As soon as he understood the source of his ailments he started to research ever

available book and science literature on biochemistry, detox pathways etc etc.

He made it a quest and his knowlegde on mercury toxicity and bio-chemistry

cannot be surpassed by many if by any at all.

He himself allmost died from a DMPS treatment. The amount of mercury released

was far to high for his kidneys to excrete, they stopped functioning, he was on

the verge of death. Only by taking a chemical substance that up to that time had

only be tried in laboratory with mercury poisened rats, he saved his life.

He was continuesly warning people on the mercury mailing list against the

advices of Andy Cutler and accused him of stealing many data from him for

publishing his book on detox. Ray requested Andy to at least mention his name in

the book at those points that Andy got his knowledge from Ray, which is on many

issues in the book.

Well this is what I got from the many email exchanges on that list

I trust Ray very much, he always chose for the safe road of detoxification and

adviced hundreds with specific advises what they could do best in their specific

situation and with their specific compaints.

Regards

TheSkyKing@... wrote:

> > Ray Saarela, specialist on mercury detoxing

>

> " Specialist " by what qualifications?

>

> disacrease strongly on many issues with Andy Cutler, stating that his

> advices are

> > dangerous for sensitive people.

> > Advices about ALA, DMPS protocols especially.

>

> Thats funny, because I think Andy's protocol works the best for the most

> sensitive people.

>

> >

> > Just for your info.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

Ray Saarela was extremely poisoned from dental amalgam for many years.

His mother was a dentist assistent in Finland, she used to paste the

mercury amalgams in here hand (no gloves) in those times. This she also did

during pregnance of Ray.

So he was born with a high amount of mercury (mothers body dumps 4 times

the amount of mercury in the fetus then the motherbody holds hereself. The

fetus is used as a waste bin, (Prof Daunderer has done extensive autopsy

studies that resulted in this conclusion, the amount of mercury in the fetus

is direct related to the amount of amalgams in the mouth of the mother he

concluded)

During his puberty up to his mid thirties every year Ray's amalgam

fillings were all replaced because he had very bad teeth which did not hold

the fillings well.

So he got approximately 250 amalgamfillings placed in his mouth during

these years. With every removal (drilling) of old fillings and placement of

new amalgam fillings large amounts of mercury are released in the mouth as

mercury- particles and fumes.

Many years after the removal of the last amalgam fillings and many years

of detoxing, the amount of mercury vapor in his mouth was still higher then

many people have even with their amalgams still in place.

As soon as he understood the source of his ailments he started to research

ever available book and science literature on biochemistry, detox pathways

etc etc.

He made it a quest and his knowlegde on mercury toxicity and bio-chemistry

cannot be surpassed by many if by any at all.

He himself allmost died from a DMPS treatment. The amount of mercury

released was far to high for his kidneys to excrete, they stopped

functioning, he was on the verge of death. Only by taking a chemical

substance that up to that time had only be tried in laboratory with mercury

poisened rats, he saved his life.

He was continuesly warning people on the mercury mailing list against the

advices of Andy Cutler and accused him of stealing many data from him for

publishing his book on detox. Ray requested Andy to at least mention his

name in the book at those points that Andy got his knowledge from Ray, which

is on many issues in the book.

Well this is what I got from the many email exchanges on that list

I trust Ray very much, he always chose for the safe road of detoxification

and adviced hundreds with specific advises what they could do best in their

specific situation and with their specific compaints.

Regards

TheSkyKing@... wrote:

> > Ray Saarela, specialist on mercury detoxing

>

> " Specialist " by what qualifications?

>

> disacrease strongly on many issues with Andy Cutler, stating that his

> advices are

> > dangerous for sensitive people.

> > Advices about ALA, DMPS protocols especially.

>

> Thats funny, because I think Andy's protocol works the best for the most

> sensitive people.

>

> >

> > Just for your info.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe there truly are different ways to detox mercury because Andy's methods

have saved my life and I am extremely toxic.

> Ray Saarela was extremely poisoned from dental amalgam for many years.

> His mother was a dentist assistent in Finland, she used to paste the mercury

> amalgams in here hand (no gloves) in those times. This she also did during

> pregnance of Ray.

> So he was born with a high amount of mercury (mothers body dumps 4 times the

> amount of mercury in the fetus then the motherbody holds hereself. The fetus

> is used as a waste bin, (Prof Daunderer has done extensive autopsy studies

> that resulted in this conclusion, the amount of mercury in the fetus is

> direct related to the amount of amalgams in the mouth of the mother he

concluded)

>

> During his puberty up to his mid thirties every year Ray's amalgam fillings

> were all replaced because he had very bad teeth which did not hold the

> fillings well.

> So he got approximately 250 amalgamfillings placed in his mouth during these

> years. With every removal (drilling) of old fillings and placement of new

> amalgam fillings large amounts of mercury are released in the mouth as

mercury-

> particles and fumes.

>

> Many years after the removal of the last amalgam fillings and many years of

> detoxing, the amount of mercury vapor in his mouth was still higher then many

> people have even with their amalgams still in place.

>

> As soon as he understood the source of his ailments he started to research

> ever available book and science literature on biochemistry, detox pathways etc

> etc.

> He made it a quest and his knowlegde on mercury toxicity and bio-chemistry

> cannot be surpassed by many if by any at all.

>

> He himself allmost died from a DMPS treatment. The amount of mercury

> released was far to high for his kidneys to excrete, they stopped functioning,

he

> was on the verge of death. Only by taking a chemical substance that up to that

> time had only be tried in laboratory with mercury poisened rats, he saved his

> life.

>

> He was continuesly warning people on the mercury mailing list against the

> advices of Andy Cutler and accused him of stealing many data from him for

> publishing his book on detox. Ray requested Andy to at least mention his name

in

> the book at those points that Andy got his knowledge from Ray, which is on

> many issues in the book.

>

> Well this is what I got from the many email exchanges on that list

>

> I trust Ray very much, he always chose for the safe road of detoxification

> and adviced hundreds with specific advises what they could do best in their

> specific situation and with their specific compaints.

>

> Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

Curious to find out what you based your comment on, Skyking...

Duncan Crow

>

>

>

> > Ray Saarela, specialist on mercury detoxing

>

> " Specialist " by what qualifications?

>

> disacrease strongly on many issues with Andy Cutler, stating that

> his

> advices are

> > dangerous for sensitive people.

> > Advices about ALA, DMPS protocols especially.

>

> Thats funny, because I think Andy's protocol works the best for the

> most sensitive people.

>

>

> >

> > Just for your info.

[Guest guest]

I would be careful about making blanket statements like that (never

leave). I may not have posted it here but there was an article in

the NY Times about the firefighters who were poisoned in the rescue

effort during 9/11. God knows what horrible stuff they got in their

bodies but many went on disability after that. They have been given

a free ron hubbard style sauna program and many are improving, and

they sweat out very weird looking stuff (blue stuff, black stuff).

The body has wisdom and it can release stuff under proper conditions.

> >>Unfortunately there are organs in the body that mercury is bound

tightly

> to and will never leave without proper chelating agents.

>

> Does the electrical charge situation have anything to do with what

traps it?

> J.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

>Dietrich Klinghartd is a great doctor with good intentions and a heart for

>people. However, his approach to heavy metal detox is wickedly insane and

should be

>considered desperation medicine at best, and criminal at worst.

>I propose that the patients who DID " get well " using his metal techniques

>weren't actually severely poisoned in the first place.

>The actually severely poisoned patients who go to see him (I can think of two

>off the top of my head) have gotten permanantly (or long term) worse, and

>felt their lives were in danger. Otherwise, the guy does know his stuff, ART,

>kinesiology, Lyme stuff...He is

>a good doctor.

I forget the source but for what it is worth, I heard that Klinghardt has now

incorporated Cutler's protocol into his mercury detox program.

[Guest guest]

:

>Dietrich Klinghartd is a great doctor with good intentions and a heart for

>people. However, his approach to heavy metal detox is wickedly insane and

should be

>considered desperation medicine at best, and criminal at worst.

>I propose that the patients who DID " get well " using his metal techniques

>weren't actually severely poisoned in the first place.

>The actually severely poisoned patients who go to see him (I can think of two

>off the top of my head) have gotten permanantly (or long term) worse, and

>felt their lives were in danger. Otherwise, the guy does know his stuff, ART,

>kinesiology, Lyme stuff...He is

>a good doctor.

I forget the source but for what it is worth, I heard that Klinghardt has now

incorporated Cutler's protocol into his mercury detox program.

[Guest guest]

You are welcome to pick my brain! Should take about 2 or 3 picks (toothpicks

maybe) :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

That's great Ken. BTW I am going to write an article w/ a colleague

and friend that will be 3000 plus words, on hyperbaric (02),

hyperthermia (infrared saunas) and 03 (ozone) and when I get my act

together I'd like to interview you for it if you don't mind. Your

story is interesting particularly your history and you have objective

proof, as those lipomas are disappearing. Hope you'll say yes.

You were diong cleansing, right, like liver flushes and so on?

[Guest guest]

You are welcome to pick my brain! Should take about 2 or 3 picks (toothpicks

maybe) :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

That's great Ken. BTW I am going to write an article w/ a colleague

and friend that will be 3000 plus words, on hyperbaric (02),

hyperthermia (infrared saunas) and 03 (ozone) and when I get my act

together I'd like to interview you for it if you don't mind. Your

story is interesting particularly your history and you have objective

proof, as those lipomas are disappearing. Hope you'll say yes.

You were diong cleansing, right, like liver flushes and so on?

[Guest guest]

That would be the sane and rational move.

> I forget the source but for what it is worth, I heard that Klinghardt has

> now

> incorporated Cutler's protocol into his mercury detox program.

>

>

[Guest guest]

That would be the sane and rational move.

> I forget the source but for what it is worth, I heard that Klinghardt has

> now

> incorporated Cutler's protocol into his mercury detox program.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The portal vein by definition links the colon to the liver.

> I also was wondering how in enema form teh caffeine

> could get all the way tot he portal vein in the liver.

>

[Guest guest]

LOL Ken. I'll make sure to pick up some toothpicks at dinner tonight.

Thanx for the other answers. I figured the colon would just absorb

the caffeine. I also was wondering how in enema form teh caffeine

could get all the way tot he portal vein in the liver.

Anyway I'm at a conference in Cambridge now so will think about this

when I get home.

> You are welcome to pick my brain! Should take about 2 or 3 picks

(toothpicks maybe) :-)

> Best wishes and much love, Ken

>

> Ken Gullan

> Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

> San Diego, CA 92106-2424

> IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help

children with developmental difficulties.

> To contact me off-list use kengullan@c... or call 619-222-1104

> Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from

Amalgams?)

>

>

> That's great Ken. BTW I am going to write an article w/ a

colleague

> and friend that will be 3000 plus words, on hyperbaric (02),

> hyperthermia (infrared saunas) and 03 (ozone) and when I get my

act

> together I'd like to interview you for it if you don't mind.

Your

> story is interesting particularly your history and you have

objective

> proof, as those lipomas are disappearing. Hope you'll say yes.

>

> You were diong cleansing, right, like liver flushes and so on?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Enemas don't necessarily get that high into the colon, was my point.

> The portal vein by definition links the colon to the liver.

>

> > I also was wondering how in enema form teh caffeine

> > could get all the way tot he portal vein in the liver.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Jill,

Do a quick word search on coffee enemas and I'm sure you will learn

all you need to know. Here's just a couple paragraphs that should

answer some of your questions.

The most important difference between a saline enema and a coffee

enema is the coffee. Caffeine, theophylline & theobromine, combine

to stimulate the relaxation of smooth muscles causing dilatation of

blood vessels and bile ducts. The effects of having a coffee enema

are not the same as drinking coffee. The veins of the anus are very

close to the surface of the tissue. The caffeine is therefore

absorbed more quickly (and in higher concentration) than it is when

coffee is drunk.

Additionally, coffee has a chemical makeup that is stimulative. The

enzymes in coffee, known as palmitates, help the liver carry away the

toxins in bile acid. The coffee is absorbed into the HEMORRHOIDAL

vein then taken up to the liver by the PORTAL vein. With the bile

ducts dilated, bile carries toxins away to the gastro-intestinal

tract. Simultaneously, peristaltic activity is encouraged because of

the lower colon. Thus, when the colon is evacuated, the toxins and

bile are carried out of the body.

I, myself, prefer just doing some liver cleanses.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@h...> wrote:

> Enemas don't necessarily get that high into the colon, was my

point.

>

>

> > The portal vein by definition links the colon to the liver.

> >

> > > I also was wondering how in enema form teh caffeine

> > > could get all the way tot he portal vein in the liver.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Wanda! I didn't know about the hemorrhoidal vein to the

portal vein. I think I'll stick w/ liver flushes too--too much

caffeine!

> > > The portal vein by definition links the colon to the liver.

> > >

> > > > I also was wondering how in enema form teh caffeine

> > > > could get all the way tot he portal vein in the liver.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >