Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

October 8, 2003

I am absolutely positive that ozone saunas DO chelate mercury.

I was extremely skeptical but after 10 saunas I began to notice that my

mercury symptoms would become exacerbated after saunas.

I am positive that it chelates (or stirs up) mercury.

> That is the question.

>

> I've the feeling from 2 years of doing ozone sauna therapy that ozone has no

> immediate effect on the detox of mercury.

> Ozone makes the cells vital, helps with detox of many toxins, (PCB for

> example) but it does not touch the mercury that is deep inside the tissue,

cells

> and even connected to the DNA inside the cells

>

> Any idea, experience on this?

>

> Thanks

>

> Doedens

> Amsterdam, Netherlands

October 8, 2003

> That is the question.

>

> I've the feeling from 2 years of doing ozone sauna therapy that

ozone has no immediate effect on the detox of mercury.

> Ozone makes the cells vital, helps with detox of many toxins, (PCB

for example) but it does not touch the mercury that is deep inside the

tissue, cells and even connected to the DNA inside the cells

>

> Any idea, experience on this?

I'll tell you my ideas, which are just that--- ideas, not

experience.

I've read in several places (lists, etc) where various people have

said that ozone detoxes mercury. In some cases (not all, but

several) I've asked (either on list or privately) for more info.

e.g. why do you think so? experience, etc.

So far nothing anyone has said makes me think that ozone detoxes

mercury. This does not mean it does not do so--- it means I'm

not convinced it does, at all. I'm not at all convinced.

Also, consider the comment I made in the post just prior to

this one--- it gets really difficult to ARGUE about what

detoxes mercury, since there is not any test that I think is

valid to measure with. wild stuff.

For non-argumeentative purposes, there is lots to look at,

and consider.... such as, I would guess from your comments

that you have some personal experience about this topic.

Would be interested to hear more about it. It can get

tricky, since it sorta already IS tricky to figure out

" what are mercury symptoms " vs. anything else. Any

thoughts on that? or on what has changed vs. what has

not changed from using ozone?

best regards,

Moria

October 8, 2003

> I am absolutely positive that ozone saunas DO chelate mercury.

>

> I was extremely skeptical but after 10 saunas I began to notice

that my

> mercury symptoms would become exacerbated after saunas.

======================

Hi ,

What symptoms were exacerbated by the saunas? Do you think just

drinking ozonated water would also exacerbate symptoms?

Thanks,

Gail

October 8, 2003

Hallo

Well mercury symptoms can be very different from person to person, it depends on

your genetic buildup, your diet, if you have been in contact with other toxic

chemicals and probably other parameters what kind of symptoms you develop.

I don't know if you have also mentioned the melisa test.

The melisa developers, Dr. Vera Stejskal and others, consider their test the

only valid scientific test for heavy metal poisoning.

Their website: http://www.melisa.org

I've like been quite extremely poisoned by mercury. And have gone through

years of trouble, without knowing what was the reason for the many crazy fysical

and psychological symptoms I have. And I know I've been one of the multitude,

I'm active in the Dutch anti-amalgam movement and it is straight out shocking to

see how ill people are from these fillings.

Detoxing is not an easy story.

How we see it here is that there are severals ways of detoxing &

*Homeopatically (Mercurius Vivus D12, Silver amalgam D30, plumbum metalicum d12

just to name a few homeopathic substances that stirr up the mercury)

*Through phyto: Cilantro, Berlauch (garlic type)

*Orthomolecular: N-acetyl cysteïne, selenium (be carefull with selenium, can

transport mercury to the brain in some induviduals, look for natural sources

like paranuts and sesameseeds for your intake), chlorella, Zink, magnesium,

multivitamines, pro-biotica, Vit B complex.

*Chemically DMPS, DMSO, DMSA EDTA

These detox possibilities are best to be combined to help slowly the body

release itself from the mercury.

However I never advice to use the chemical detox chemicals. Some peoples kidneys

and liver cannot take the large amounts of mercury that these chemicals stirr

up.

I see that for DMPS and ALA helped while Cilantro and chlorella were

giving him severe problems.

I've never dared to try DMPS for myself yet, and ALA did not seem to do much for

me, next to that I read from Ray Saarela that ALA could methylate mercury (into

organic much more toxic mercury form that easely passes the blood-brain barrier,

something that anorganic mercury cannot do so easely).

However I always had good help from chlorella (been taking it in massive

quantities) and Cilantro works very strong for me, so I'm also carefull with

that,, but am happy that just a plant can stirr up so much mercury.

Cause as I understand the problem is that the mercury is really seated inside

the cell and difficult to chelate.

My own experience with ozone sauna and drinking ozone water sofar is that ozone

does eleviate many of the left over symptoms of my earlier amalgam toxicity, but

does not chelate much or in any way mercury.

For sure when the cells are mover vital through the ozone therapy there are more

able to detox toxins, but when these toxins are hooked in certain chemical

structures within the cell then I strongly question if ozone can disconnect them

- especially mercury for instance - from the chemical bond.

I feeling so far is that an activating agent is needed (homeopathic, Phyto,

Orthomoleculair or chemical) that released the mercury from its bond from the

cellmembrane and the cellstructures inside the cell, then, because of greater

vitality ozone can probably help in getting the losened mercury ions and other

mercury units outof the cell, into the plasma/blood and through the kidneys,

intenstines out of the body. But even on this road it is important to keep

taking Chorophyl, zink and other orthomolecular supplements in order to bind the

mercury and help the body replace the mercury with healthy minerals.

& Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and others also use Kinesiology for activating detox

and so they state with good results

Regards

moriamerri wrote:

>

> > That is the question.

> >

> > I've the feeling from 2 years of doing ozone sauna therapy that

> ozone has no immediate effect on the detox of mercury.

> > Ozone makes the cells vital, helps with detox of many toxins, (PCB

> for example) but it does not touch the mercury that is deep inside the

> tissue, cells and even connected to the DNA inside the cells

> >

> > Any idea, experience on this?

>

> I'll tell you my ideas, which are just that--- ideas, not

> experience.

>

> I've read in several places (lists, etc) where various people have

> said that ozone detoxes mercury. In some cases (not all, but

> several) I've asked (either on list or privately) for more info.

> e.g. why do you think so? experience, etc.

> So far nothing anyone has said makes me think that ozone detoxes

> mercury. This does not mean it does not do so--- it means I'm

> not convinced it does, at all. I'm not at all convinced.

>

> Also, consider the comment I made in the post just prior to

> this one--- it gets really difficult to ARGUE about what

> detoxes mercury, since there is not any test that I think is

> valid to measure with. wild stuff.

>

> For non-argumeentative purposes, there is lots to look at,

> and consider.... such as, I would guess from your comments

> that you have some personal experience about this topic.

> Would be interested to hear more about it. It can get

> tricky, since it sorta already IS tricky to figure out

> " what are mercury symptoms " vs. anything else. Any

> thoughts on that? or on what has changed vs. what has

> not changed from using ozone?

>

> best regards,

> Moria

>

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October 9, 2003

I'm telling you guys - ozone saunas DO detox mercury! I don't have any

evidence but when I do my sauna, my mercury gets stirred up like nothing else

can

stir it up!

> Great Ken, am waiting in anticipation for your info on this.

>

> Health to you

>

October 9, 2003

Maybe - but - I can tell you that that ozone sauna really stirs up metals!

Something interesting to note though is that in my experience with it, it

didn't start stirring up metals till about the 12th sauna.

My hypothesis for why this is the case is that the first few saunas were

oxidizing toxins in the skin, and right below the surface of the skin, and (like

Saul points out) since ozone is cumulative, you don't start moving metals

around until the cumulative effect of the saunas have reached down into the

layer

of your body that is storing all the metals. At that time - if you are metal

toxic - watch out!

B

> This would be very interestign to know, Ken. It seems to me if you

> detoxed heavy metals this way, it would be because the ozone was

> decreasing load on the body in general, so then the body could

> eventually start to move the metals out on its own.

>

October 9, 2003

An Australian doctor claims that ozone detoxes mercury - cannot remember his

name but he has done extensive studies to track the detoxification using ozone.

I am going to do a DMSA challenge in the next few weeks (using exactly the same

method I used prior to starting ozone when I was doing DMSA so that I get

comparable tests - I have not done any DMSA since starting ozone) that will tell

me if my mercury levels have been reduced since I have done nearly 300 ozone

saunas. I would be surprised if they have not after so much detoxing and my

vital signs have definitely improved and my body is just plain working better. I

will keep you posted.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

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San Diego, CA 92106-2424

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Re: Re: Does ozone help detox mercury (from Amalgams?)

Hallo

Well mercury symptoms can be very different from person to person, it depends

on your genetic buildup, your diet, if you have been in contact with other toxic

chemicals and probably other parameters what kind of symptoms you develop.

I don't know if you have also mentioned the melisa test.

The melisa developers, Dr. Vera Stejskal and others, consider their test the

only valid scientific test for heavy metal poisoning.

Their website: http://www.melisa.org

I've like been quite extremely poisoned by mercury. And have gone

through years of trouble, without knowing what was the reason for the many crazy

fysical and psychological symptoms I have. And I know I've been one of the

multitude, I'm active in the Dutch anti-amalgam movement and it is straight out

shocking to see how ill people are from these fillings.

Detoxing is not an easy story.

How we see it here is that there are severals ways of detoxing &

*Homeopatically (Mercurius Vivus D12, Silver amalgam D30, plumbum metalicum

d12 just to name a few homeopathic substances that stirr up the mercury)

*Through phyto: Cilantro, Berlauch (garlic type)

*Orthomolecular: N-acetyl cysteïne, selenium (be carefull with selenium, can

transport mercury to the brain in some induviduals, look for natural sources

like paranuts and sesameseeds for your intake), chlorella, Zink, magnesium,

multivitamines, pro-biotica, Vit B complex.

*Chemically DMPS, DMSO, DMSA EDTA

These detox possibilities are best to be combined to help slowly the body

release itself from the mercury.

However I never advice to use the chemical detox chemicals. Some peoples

kidneys and liver cannot take the large amounts of mercury that these chemicals

stirr up.

I see that for DMPS and ALA helped while Cilantro and chlorella were

giving him severe problems.

I've never dared to try DMPS for myself yet, and ALA did not seem to do much

for me, next to that I read from Ray Saarela that ALA could methylate mercury

(into organic much more toxic mercury form that easely passes the blood-brain

barrier, something that anorganic mercury cannot do so easely).

However I always had good help from chlorella (been taking it in massive

quantities) and Cilantro works very strong for me, so I'm also carefull with

that,, but am happy that just a plant can stirr up so much mercury.

Cause as I understand the problem is that the mercury is really seated inside

the cell and difficult to chelate.

My own experience with ozone sauna and drinking ozone water sofar is that

ozone does eleviate many of the left over symptoms of my earlier amalgam

toxicity, but does not chelate much or in any way mercury.

For sure when the cells are mover vital through the ozone therapy there are

more able to detox toxins, but when these toxins are hooked in certain chemical