Re: Re: ozone generator /// Model 60 vs. Alpha

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>> mine is a model 60 - essentially an alpha before he changed the name <<

While the Model 60 and Alpha are both beefy enough to

supply ozone for a sauna, and, technically, you could say

they're " essentially " the same, Saul changed a lot more

than the name with the change from Model 60 to Alpha. I

own a Model 60 which I bought used a few years ago from

a private party Saul connected me with, and I'm happy with

the Model 60, but the Alpha is a significantly upgraded

machine featuring a longer ozone generation pathway that

produces a substantially higher concentration at every flow

level.

For example, at a flow rate of 1/32 liter per minute, the Alpha

produces about 65 micrograms of ozone per milliliter, while

my Model 60 came to me individually certified as producing

46 micrograms per milliliter. That's about a 40% difference in

output concentration at that flow rate.

At 1/16 liters per minute, the Alpha produces 60 micrograms

per milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 48.8 micrograms

per milliliter, about a 25% difference.

At 1/8 liters per minute of flow, the Alpha produces 55 micrograms

per milliliter concentation, while my Model 60 is certified at 50.1

micrograms per milliliter, for about a 10% difference, so you can

see that in the midrange of the flow rate, the two machines are close,

but the Alpha is still substantially more powerful.

At 1/4 liter per minute flow rate, the Alpha produces about 48

micrograms per milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 42.4

micrograms per milliliter, for about a 15% difference.

At 1/2 liter per minute flow, the Alpha produces 38 micrograms per

milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 29.7 micrograms per milliliter,

for about a 27% difference.

Taking it near the top end of the flow rate scale at 3/4 liter per

minute, the Alpha produces about 32 micrograms per milliliter,

while my Model 60 is certified at 23.8 micrograms per milliliter,

for about a 35% difference in output concentration.

I can't provide a sure comparison at the very top end of the flow

rate, 1 liter per minute, because there's doubt as to the figure on

the certification card Saul provided when checking the machine

over and packaging and shipping it for me. The middle of the three

digits of that number has been whited out. By holding the card up

to a light, the figure is legible as 16.4 micrograms per milliliter, but

it seems that Saul intended a correction here and didn't quite get

to completing it. So the guy's fallible. However, in my 5 years of

experiencing Saul first on the old Oxylist and then on OxyPlus and

on Ozonetherapy, seeing how he treats people, and communicating

with him privately, I must say that he demonstrates the highest

standards of intelligence, generosity, helpfulness and integrity.

But using the questionable figure of 16.4 micrograms per milliliter

as the concentration of ozone my Model 60 produces, in comparison

with the Alpha's published output of 25 micrograms per milliliter at

a 1 liter per minute flow rate, there's about a 50% difference.

Now, I'm not kickin' my Model 60 outta bed, but if I could trade

it even for an Alpha, I wouldn't hesitate. The extra concentration

of output would go well against the attrition of ozone by heat in the

steam sauna, with more ozone into the body per minute of sauna,

and more efficient ozone treatments.

And Plasmafire's sauna itself has also been substantially upgraded.

There's nothing earthshakingly wrong with the used Sonnet II steam

cabinet that I bought with the Model 60 generator, but it's clear that

Saul's been applying himself to improving every part of the equipment

he manufactures. The Omega is easily as much of an improvement

over the Sonnet II as the Alpha is over the Model 60. For example,

with the Alpha's digital controls it would be a lot easier to duplicate a

previous temperature setting, rather than experimentally tweaking the

Sonnet II's touchy manual dial rheostat control. Believe me, that

thermostatic temperature setting is important, you need it hot enough,

yet you need it to cut off before it literally drives you out of the sauna

before your sauna time's done. And you DON'T want to be repeatedly

getting out of the sauna in order to adjust the temperature control (hint --

it could be handy to be able to reach the temperature control from inside

any *future* Plasmafire sauna model.)

Other handy features of the Omega over the Sonnet II are the water level

sight guage and the stainless steel boiler that is refillable without removing

the (improved) seat.

There are also other improvements too numerous to mention here, you

can check them out at the Plasmafire website http://www.plasmafire.com/ .

I think it's clear that the medical ozone machine industry has a leader,

and there's no doubt in my mind who it is. Saul's combination of

intelligence, experience, knowledge, generosity and goodwill will likely

keep his equipment at the forefront of the medical ozone industry for the

foreseeable future.

My best wishes to all, and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank

everyone here for this wonderful e-community that's such a rich source

of information and support.

Green

Re: ozone generator

> I bought a Beta unit from Saul on the payment plan, and have since

> traded up to an alpha unit with sauna. He does, as he said, give a

> 100% trade-in. Not the last of my pleasant surprises with Saul. My mom

> also bought an alpha unit & uses it to stay healthy at 85.

>

> Is this an unsolicited testimonial to Saul and his equipment? You

> betcha! And I'm not the only one on this list with his equipment who

> will offer one. There's got to be a good reason for that. Think about it.

I gotta ditto Jim here...

I've been on the oxyplus list since Jim created it when we kept

getting our 'off-topic' posts censored on the original oxytherapy

list, and I must say, Saul is 'the man', when it comes to ozone - and

a whole lot of other stuff too (no offense, Jim

I've had my generator/sauna for about 3 1/2 years, and haven't had the

first problem with it, so haven't had to make use of the lifetime

warranty - but it's nice to know its there, as well as Saul himself.

I was not aware of the 100% trade-up from the beta to the alpha (mine

is a model 60 - essentially an alpha before he changed the name), but

now that I am, my parents will probably be buying one of the beta's

very soon.

Thanks for everything, Saul! (and Jim)

[Guest guest]

Dear green,

We are investigating controls that could be mounted inside the Omega sauna,

but this is a harsh atmosphere for electronics, so it is difficult to find

equipment

that can withstand it.

You are correct, that the driving force behind the development of the Alpha

was

to get more ozone at the higher flow rates, specifically 1/2 l/m, which is

the

rate for filling the sauna.

Another thing you may not be aware of is the considerably larger size of the

Omega

vs. the Sonnet II or the Saunazone. The largest person I have heard of in

the Omega

was 6'9 " and 450 lbs. A very big boy...

With our continuing research and development program, there will be more

changes in

the future as well, in both generators and saunas. The dust never settles in

our design

department...

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: Re: Re: ozone generator /// Model 60 vs. Alpha

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:34:29 -0700

wrote:

>> mine is a model 60 - essentially an alpha before he changed the name

<<

While the Model 60 and Alpha are both beefy enough to

supply ozone for a sauna, and, technically, you could say

they're " essentially " the same, Saul changed a lot more

than the name with the change from Model 60 to Alpha. I

own a Model 60 which I bought used a few years ago from

a private party Saul connected me with, and I'm happy with

the Model 60, but the Alpha is a significantly upgraded

machine featuring a longer ozone generation pathway that

produces a substantially higher concentration at every flow

level.

For example, at a flow rate of 1/32 liter per minute, the Alpha

produces about 65 micrograms of ozone per milliliter, while

my Model 60 came to me individually certified as producing

46 micrograms per milliliter. That's about a 40% difference in

output concentration at that flow rate.

At 1/16 liters per minute, the Alpha produces 60 micrograms

per milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 48.8 micrograms

per milliliter, about a 25% difference.

At 1/8 liters per minute of flow, the Alpha produces 55 micrograms

per milliliter concentation, while my Model 60 is certified at 50.1

micrograms per milliliter, for about a 10% difference, so you can

see that in the midrange of the flow rate, the two machines are close,

but the Alpha is still substantially more powerful.

At 1/4 liter per minute flow rate, the Alpha produces about 48

micrograms per milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 42.4

micrograms per milliliter, for about a 15% difference.

At 1/2 liter per minute flow, the Alpha produces 38 micrograms per

milliliter, while my Model 60 is certified at 29.7 micrograms per

milliliter,

for about a 27% difference.

Taking it near the top end of the flow rate scale at 3/4 liter per

minute, the Alpha produces about 32 micrograms per milliliter,

while my Model 60 is certified at 23.8 micrograms per milliliter,

for about a 35% difference in output concentration.

I can't provide a sure comparison at the very top end of the flow

rate, 1 liter per minute, because there's doubt as to the figure on

the certification card Saul provided when checking the machine

over and packaging and shipping it for me. The middle of the three

digits of that number has been whited out. By holding the card up

to a light, the figure is legible as 16.4 micrograms per milliliter, but

it seems that Saul intended a correction here and didn't quite get

to completing it. So the guy's fallible. However, in my 5 years of

experiencing Saul first on the old Oxylist and then on OxyPlus and

on Ozonetherapy, seeing how he treats people, and communicating

with him privately, I must say that he demonstrates the highest

standards of intelligence, generosity, helpfulness and integrity.

But using the questionable figure of 16.4 micrograms per milliliter

as the concentration of ozone my Model 60 produces, in comparison

with the Alpha's published output of 25 micrograms per milliliter at

a 1 liter per minute flow rate, there's about a 50% difference.

Now, I'm not kickin' my Model 60 outta bed, but if I could trade

it even for an Alpha, I wouldn't hesitate. The extra concentration

of output would go well against the attrition of ozone by heat in the

steam sauna, with more ozone into the body per minute of sauna,

and more efficient ozone treatments.

And Plasmafire's sauna itself has also been substantially upgraded.

There's nothing earthshakingly wrong with the used Sonnet II steam

cabinet that I bought with the Model 60 generator, but it's clear that

Saul's been applying himself to improving every part of the equipment

he manufactures. The Omega is easily as much of an improvement

over the Sonnet II as the Alpha is over the Model 60. For example,

with the Alpha's digital controls it would be a lot easier to duplicate a

previous temperature setting, rather than experimentally tweaking the

Sonnet II's touchy manual dial rheostat control. Believe me, that

thermostatic temperature setting is important, you need it hot enough,

yet you need it to cut off before it literally drives you out of the sauna

before your sauna time's done. And you DON'T want to be repeatedly

getting out of the sauna in order to adjust the temperature control (hint --

it could be handy to be able to reach the temperature control from inside

any *future* Plasmafire sauna model.)

Other handy features of the Omega over the Sonnet II are the water level

sight guage and the stainless steel boiler that is refillable without

removing

the (improved) seat.

There are also other improvements too numerous to mention here, you

can check them out at the Plasmafire website http://www.plasmafire.com/ .

I think it's clear that the medical ozone machine industry has a leader,

and there's no doubt in my mind who it is. Saul's combination of

intelligence, experience, knowledge, generosity and goodwill will likely

keep his equipment at the forefront of the medical ozone industry for the

foreseeable future.

My best wishes to all, and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank

everyone here for this wonderful e-community that's such a rich source

of information and support.

Green

Re: ozone generator

> I bought a Beta unit from Saul on the payment plan, and have since

> traded up to an alpha unit with sauna. He does, as he said, give a

> 100% trade-in. Not the last of my pleasant surprises with Saul. My

mom

> also bought an alpha unit & uses it to stay healthy at 85.

>

> Is this an unsolicited testimonial to Saul and his equipment? You

> betcha! And I'm not the only one on this list with his equipment who

> will offer one. There's got to be a good reason for that. Think about

it.

I gotta ditto Jim here...

I've been on the oxyplus list since Jim created it when we kept

getting our 'off-topic' posts censored on the original oxytherapy

list, and I must say, Saul is 'the man', when it comes to ozone - and

a whole lot of other stuff too (no offense, Jim

I've had my generator/sauna for about 3 1/2 years, and haven't had the

first problem with it, so haven't had to make use of the lifetime

warranty - but it's nice to know its there, as well as Saul himself.

I was not aware of the 100% trade-up from the beta to the alpha (mine

is a model 60 - essentially an alpha before he changed the name), but

now that I am, my parents will probably be buying one of the beta's

very soon.

Thanks for everything, Saul! (and Jim)