Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

[Guest guest]

Saul. For a person like me who is traumatized by heat and can't handle a sauna,

is insuflation as effective, just taking longer. And what about sitting in a

sauna with the ozone on and no heat. Just doing a hot shower and staying wet???

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

Dear Nenah,

I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the opposite

experience,

and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone generators,

because they were not getting the results they expected with the FIR.

Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with the results

of the steam

sauna and ozone.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Oh. That is good to know. I can handle about 95. So if that would work then

could do it. Yipee!

Donna

Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

I'm not saul but I have a personal answer to your question...Because I am so

mercury toxic right now, too much heat REALLY stirs it up, so I've been using

Saul's sauna on 95 or 100 degrees, which is just like a hot humid day in Texas

(not quite a sauna)...I get full effect from the ozone sauna without the

extreme heat. As I get more mercury out with chelation I'll start to increase

the

temperature, probably work my way up by 2 degrees every month or so.

> Saul. For a person like me who is traumatized by heat and can't handle a

> sauna, is insuflation as effective, just taking longer. And what about

> sitting in a sauna with the ozone on and no heat. Just doing a hot shower

and

> staying wet???

>

> Thanks

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

[Guest guest]

I'm not saul but I have a personal answer to your question...Because I am so

mercury toxic right now, too much heat REALLY stirs it up, so I've been using

Saul's sauna on 95 or 100 degrees, which is just like a hot humid day in Texas

(not quite a sauna)...I get full effect from the ozone sauna without the

extreme heat. As I get more mercury out with chelation I'll start to increase

the

temperature, probably work my way up by 2 degrees every month or so.

> Saul. For a person like me who is traumatized by heat and can't handle a

> sauna, is insuflation as effective, just taking longer. And what about

> sitting in a sauna with the ozone on and no heat. Just doing a hot shower and

> staying wet???

>

> Thanks

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Nenah,

I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the opposite

experience,

and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone generators,

because they were not getting the results they expected with the FIR.

Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with the results

of the steam

sauna and ozone.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Dear Dennis,

In doing intensive research for my upcoming sauna therapy book, I came upon

study after study about how FIR (far infrared) is superior to steam as an

inducer of sweat, and that indeed after a point steam actually *prevents*

the

person from sweating. There are many reasons for this -- it's all discussed

in

great detail in my book (projected publication date: November) -- but for

now, I

can tell you that in my personal experience, I indeed found this to be true.

I

have never cared for steam, except when I wanted to inhale it to open my

respiratory tract.

I remember Saul saying on this list that in order for the ozone to penetrate

the

skin, the person needs to sweat to open up the pores. Well, if FIR helps a

person sweat, then it stands to reason that a FIR-ozone combination would be

quite effective. I'm not " playing favorites " with the sauna manufacturers

here;

I'm simply reporting what I believe will work.

Also, just for your information: I have a very crude, low-quality low-flow

ozone

generator with a long tube that leads into a body suit (where the hands and

face

are free). Whenever I use the body suit, I do feel the ozone penetrate my

skin -- and this is without any steam, and without my having showered and

left

water on my skin!

Regards,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, Ph.D.

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Author (under the name " Nina Silver " ) of

*The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*

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[Guest guest]

Personally, from my " randomized sample of 1 " :-) Saul, I have to agree with you

but I am also trying to think " Why this is? " The best hypothesis I can come up

with is that the FIR takes a while to heat up the body and begin the sweating

process. Therefore, one should only count the time of " ozone saunaing " as being

from after the person has built up a good amount of body heat (i.e. after about

10 minutes). If the person took a hot shower before entering the FIR sauna,

they may observe something different. Also, I have noticed that people have

very different " sweating responses " , especially between males and females. For

example, I work up a good sweat in about 6 minutes in my FIR sauna (with my head

inside), while my wife and daughter take about 10-12 minutes (head inside) to

get up to a similar " sweat level " and by that time they only want to stay in the

sauna (with their heads out) another 5-10 minutes. With our heads out, it takes

even longer to work up a sweat in the FIR so applying ozone could only open the

pores sufficiently for ozone to enter after 10-20 minutes of a 20-30 minute

sauna, effectively reducing the amount of ozone entering the body through the

pores versus a steam sauna, thereby reducing the apparent effectiveness of the

FIR sauna with ozone versus the steam sauna with ozone. Just my rambling

thinking on this subject but I would like to hear how these thoughts gel with

others personal experiences or even their " whacko " thinking on the matter. Got

to get down to the bottom line on this ozone stuff because it sure does work

wonders but not too many people want to try it until one has sufficient answers

on these type of questions. The strangest thing is how they will listen to some

doctor who has never heard of healing with ozone, much less read an article

about it or, god forbid, actually tried it than someone who has had wonderful

results from exposure to ozone saunas or other modalities.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

Dear Nenah,

I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the opposite

experience,

and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone generators,

because they were not getting the results they expected with the FIR.

Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with the results

of the steam

sauna and ozone.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

> Dear Nenah,

>

> I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the opposite

> experience,

> and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone generators,

> because they were not getting the results they expected with the FIR.

>

> Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with the results

> of the steam

> sauna and ozone.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

Well, Saul, as I said in my prior posts, people are different. Can you allow

me -- and some people I know -- to have my experience, while you and your doctor

acquaintances have yours?

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, Ph.D.

Products, services, and information about health

Author (under the name " Nina Silver " ) of

*The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*

Order the book and read excerpts at

http://www.nenahsylver.com/

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

Better yet, just take a hot bath or shower and then do vaginal insufflation.

The body is not picky...it will accept hyperthermia and ozone sequentially,

just as easily as it will simultaneously.

And it is much cheaper than an ozone sauna setup. This is what I was trying

to convey to Jill.

Dr. Schulze's hot and cold shower routine is excellent, if you can handle

the

cold showers.....brrr...this is a variation on the ancient cold sheet

treatments...

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@...>

Reply-oxyplus

<oxyplus >

Subject: Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:51:55 -0700

Saul. For a person like me who is traumatized by heat and can't handle a

sauna, is insuflation as effective, just taking longer. And what about

sitting in a sauna with the ozone on and no heat. Just doing a hot shower

and staying wet???

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

Dear Nenah,

I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the opposite

experience,

and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone

generators,

because they were not getting the results they expected with the FIR.

Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with the

results

of the steam

sauna and ozone.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

Saul, I know it is cheaper but...I like the ozone sauna. I always

loved steam saunas myself. I dno't like the insufflation technique.

And I have learned something very important in the last few years,

with coaching from a good friend, adn that is about daily stress.

You really have to figure out what is the absolute least stressful

thing and do that.

It's a bit of an aside but maybe useful here. There was a big

article in the NY Times mag a few weeks ago about how we don't

forecast happiness or sadness correctly, we overestimate the impact

of both on our lives. And we underestimate the impact of chronic

niggly stresses. So, we repair the roof but leave the screen door

unrepaired, and every time we enter and exit the house, we have a

moment of stress and irritation. A nd that DOES have a bodily effect

and it does create wear and tear. People when asked would they

prefer a broken leg or a trick knee almost all said a trick knee, but

the better answer is a broken leg, as it heals and you're dnoe with

it, as a trick knee is chronic stress your whole life.

Since getting lyme I've really had to examine this closely. For

instance, treatmenets we can do in our own home and look forward to

and enjoy, those will have a whole added psychological benefit that

will aid healing. Finances come into play, of course, so when I

weighed everything, a bulb sauna for $200 might not be as cushy and

nice as a healthmate FIR, but it was at home, effective, and I could

read in it. Walking into my closet was not a lot of stress so overall

it won out. (Also, I don't have the space for all these things!)

If I was to do something every day (insufflation) that had bad

memories for me, as opposed to enjoying sitting in a steam sauna,

being enveloped in steam, which I love, I would have to weigh in the

cost of that stress. Each day I would have to do something I didn't

want to do, didn't like etc, how would that cost out over a period of

years, and how wouldu the psychological stress impact me?

This is a very profound concept in approaching one's whole life. I

am still working hard on it.

> Dear Donna,

>

> Better yet, just take a hot bath or shower and then do vaginal

insufflation.

> The body is not picky...it will accept hyperthermia and ozone

sequentially,

> just as easily as it will simultaneously.

>

> And it is much cheaper than an ozone sauna setup. This is what I

was trying

> to convey to Jill.

>

> Dr. Schulze's hot and cold shower routine is excellent, if you can

handle

> the

> cold showers.....brrr...this is a variation on the ancient cold

sheet

> treatments...

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> <oxyplus >

> Subject: Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:51:55 -0700

>

> Saul. For a person like me who is traumatized by heat and can't

handle a

> sauna, is insuflation as effective, just taking longer. And what

about

> sitting in a sauna with the ozone on and no heat. Just doing a hot

shower

> and staying wet???

>

> Thanks

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> Re: FIR vs Steam for Ozone Saunas

>

>

> Dear Nenah,

>

> I have been in contact with a number of doctors who have had the

opposite

> experience,

> and who purchased steam saunas from me to use with their ozone

> generators,

> because they were not getting the results they expected with the

FIR.

>

> Since that time, they have pronounced themselves satisfied with

the

> results

> of the steam

> sauna and ozone.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Moria, as I understand it Cayenne and other herbs actually REDUCE core body

temperature. Its a misunderstanding that they raise body temperature.

They make you FEEL hot, but that is your body's attempt to trigger sweating

(a COOLING) mechanism. Just like on a hot day your body attempts to lower its

temperature, when you take cayenne, etc., it works like a homeopathic to LOWER

body temperature.

> p.s. If hot water is not enough " heat " for a given person,

> one can add hot herbs to the water. Dr. Schulze recommends

> adding cayenne, ginger, and mustard to bathwater for people

> with the flu/etc. I've used it many times. This should

> get the core temp up more quickly LOL. Take care with

> the cayenne (start with a small amount and adjust over

> a series of baths).

>

> This also seems to keep my body hot AFTER I get out of

> the bath--- that is, I sweat, feel hot, etc. So one

> could continue with ozone -- just keep covered up with

> a blanket.

>

> The book THE HERBS OF LIFE ( Tierra) has about 4

> ways to induce sweat listed (with directions). It is

> one of my favorite books, as it has a wonderful section

> with directions for how to do various home therapies.

>

> Moria

[Guest guest]

> Dear Donna,

>

> Better yet, just take a hot bath or shower and then do vaginal

insufflation.

> The body is not picky...it will accept hyperthermia and ozone

sequentially,

> just as easily as it will simultaneously.

>

> And it is much cheaper than an ozone sauna setup. This is what I was

trying

> to convey to Jill.

>

Dear Saul,

Just to add another option on the list of ways to get heat

and insufflation together:

I have done vaginal insufflation while sitting or laying in

a tub of hot water. Requires a long enough piece of tubing

to get into the tub from wherever the ozone machine is.

One can add hot water as needed to stay in longer...

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

p.s. If hot water is not enough " heat " for a given person,

one can add hot herbs to the water. Dr. Schulze recommends

adding cayenne, ginger, and mustard to bathwater for people

with the flu/etc. I've used it many times. This should

get the core temp up more quickly LOL. Take care with

the cayenne (start with a small amount and adjust over

a series of baths).

This also seems to keep my body hot AFTER I get out of

the bath--- that is, I sweat, feel hot, etc. So one

could continue with ozone -- just keep covered up with

a blanket.

The book THE HERBS OF LIFE ( Tierra) has about 4

ways to induce sweat listed (with directions). It is

one of my favorite books, as it has a wonderful section

with directions for how to do various home therapies.

Moria

> Dear Saul,

>

> Just to add another option on the list of ways to get heat

> and insufflation together:

>

> I have done vaginal insufflation while sitting or laying in

> a tub of hot water. Requires a long enough piece of tubing

> to get into the tub from wherever the ozone machine is.

>

> One can add hot water as needed to stay in longer...

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

[Guest guest]

---

Byran,

Cayanne, ginger and mustard do NOT reduce core temperature in the

body...if you do a search on the herbs and cold sheet and

hydrotherapy use of the herbs, you will gain information about what

they do and how they do it... they can increase metabolism,

elimination, circulation as well as have other benefits.

The herb use as mentioned by Moria in the cold sheet treatment,

causes a raise in temperature by the person and often profuse

sweating....and removal of toxins. It is not unuaual to have a

temperature increase in the body to 102 or above....if the person

has an infection....the treatment is often used to heal infectious

disorders.

I would also suggest that it only be done under supervsion...by

someone that has done many of these treatments clinically.

Byron

In oxyplus , TheSkyKing@a... wrote:

> Moria, as I understand it Cayenne and other herbs actually REDUCE

core body

> temperature. Its a misunderstanding that they raise body

temperature.

>

> They make you FEEL hot, but that is your body's attempt to trigger

sweating

> (a COOLING) mechanism. Just like on a hot day your body attempts

to lower its

> temperature, when you take cayenne, etc., it works like a

homeopathic to LOWER

> body temperature.

>

>

>

>

> > p.s. If hot water is not enough " heat " for a given person,

> > one can add hot herbs to the water. Dr. Schulze recommends

> > adding cayenne, ginger, and mustard to bathwater for people

> > with the flu/etc. I've used it many times. This should

> > get the core temp up more quickly LOL. Take care with

> > the cayenne (start with a small amount and adjust over

> > a series of baths).

> >

> > This also seems to keep my body hot AFTER I get out of

> > the bath--- that is, I sweat, feel hot, etc. So one

> > could continue with ozone -- just keep covered up with

> > a blanket.

> >

> > The book THE HERBS OF LIFE ( Tierra) has about 4

> > ways to induce sweat listed (with directions). It is

> > one of my favorite books, as it has a wonderful section

> > with directions for how to do various home therapies.

> >

> > Moria

>

>

>

>