Good Morning All

February 6, 2001

>Sorry I cannot get the hang of this computer stuff, I think I turned off the

>html.

Yup, works now

> Anyways, I was wondering how late is too late to eat at night.

I've read about a dozen fitness articles on the subject and they all say that

eating late at night is fine. Some even recommended grabbing something to eat in

the middle of the night if/when you wake up to go to the bathroom. They say it

doesn't make sense to feed your body on a 3 hour schedule during the day then go

for 8-12 hours without anything.

>Also now all my plans

>got messed up about the times I can go work out and such, I was wondering if

>it would be in my best interest to eat, workout and do all that on a set

>schedule everyday. Or if I don't workout until midafternoon if that will

>affect my results.

If you are doing the BFL way, it doesn't really matter what time you work out as

long as you don't eat 2-3 hours before working out, if I understand the book

correctly. I've had to adjust my schedule a great deal the last few weeks and

have worked out in the morning, at noon, and after 5pm on various days. Doesn't

seem to have negatively affected me.

Tina

February 6, 2001

>Also now all my plans

>got messed up about the times I can go work out and such, I was wondering if

>it would be in my best interest to eat, workout and do all that on a set

>schedule everyday. Or if I don't workout until midafternoon if that will

>affect my results.

Sorry, one more thing. You should try to work out at the same time every day if

possible, to give your body a full 24 hours to recover between sessions, but if

you can't, you can't. Don't skip a day just because you couldn't go at the same

time as the day before

Tina

February 6, 2001

jaime mantesso [jaimemantesso@...] wrote:

> Sorry I cannot get the hang of this computer stuff, I think I turned off the

> html. Anyways, I was wondering how late is too late to eat at night.

the correct answer is that a meal will raise insulin levels, insulin is

antagonistic

to growth hormone. so you want to time your last meal such that insulin levels

are back to normal before you start to sleep otherwise you will

short change your nightly GH time. this means for a big meal at least 3 hours,

for an average meal 2 hours and for a small meal maybe 1 hour before trying

to sleep.

Deus

February 6, 2001

So basically if I drink my shake 15 minutes before my head hits the pillow it is a bad thing? My shake consists of natural soy milk, whey protein powder and 3/4c of frozen strawberries (it balances out). Along with some supplements.

From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>the correct answer is that a meal will raise insulin levels, insulin is antagonisticto growth hormone. so you want to time your last meal such that insulin levelsare back to normal before you start to sleep otherwise you willshort change your nightly GH time. this means for a big meal at least 3 hours,for an average meal 2 hours and for a small meal maybe 1 hour before tryingto sleep.Deus

February 6, 2001

>Are you sure about that short changing of GH at bedtime? Maybe

>this doesn't apply, but as a growing teen, I drank a quart of milk

>every night right before my head hit the pillow. I ended up being

>6'5 " . So, does that mean if I hadn't done that I'd be 7' tall?

Drinking milk probably had a lot less to do with your growth than your genetics.

With my short parents, I doubt drinking 300 gallons of milk a day would have

made me any taller than my current 5'1 " .

Tina

February 6, 2001

[nankeb@...] wrote:

> So basically if I drink my shake 15 minutes before my head hits the pillow it

is a bad thing? My shake consists of natural soy milk, whey protein powder and

3/4c of frozen strawberries (it balances out). Along with some supplements.

its not a bad thing its just not optimal. just means you may be limiting

the time over which your hyphothalamus releases growth hormone. while insulin

is elevated growth hormone wont generally be released. once the insulin returns

near

base line GH will start to be released. to be optimal give the shake at least an

hour

maybe closer to two. the people that recommend midnight snacks are not concerned

about GH.

Deus

February 6, 2001

cash@... [cash@...] wrote:

> Are you sure about that short changing of GH at bedtime? Maybe

> this doesn't apply, but as a growing teen, I drank a quart of milk

> every night right before my head hit the pillow. I ended up being

> 6'5 " . So, does that mean if I hadn't done that I'd be 7' tall?

teenage GH release is very high but it rapidly declines after 20. by

the time you are 40 you have maybe 30% of your youthful levels and

by the time you are 60 you have maybe 10%. so I assume most people on

the list are no longer teenagers and hence every bit counts.

to answer your question its possible, I dont know about an extra 7 inches

though,

if you take large doses of supplementary GH you can continue to get random bone

growth.

Deus

February 6, 2001

Are you sure about that short changing of GH at bedtime? Maybe

this doesn't apply, but as a growing teen, I drank a quart of milk

every night right before my head hit the pillow. I ended up being

6'5 " . So, does that mean if I hadn't done that I'd be 7' tall?

> the correct answer is that a meal will raise insulin levels, insulin is

> antagonistic

> to growth hormone. so you want to time your last meal such that insulin

> levels

> are back to normal before you start to sleep otherwise you will

> short change your nightly GH time. this means for a big meal at least 3

> hours,

> for an average meal 2 hours and for a small meal maybe 1 hour before

> trying

> to sleep.

>

> Deus

" Buy Low, Sell High "

(If this statment is used for financial gain, I am entitled to 10% of all

profits. )

February 6, 2001

Aaacckk! No more growth! I'm too tall already. The only benefit I

had in gaining extra fat is that I could go to the store and find

clothes. When I get to my BFL target, I'll be too tall for the pants

at regular stores and too thin for pants at the big and tall men's

stores. Back to hemming!

> to answer your question its possible, I dont know about an extra 7 inches

> though,

> if you take large doses of supplementary GH you can continue to get random

> bone

> growth.

>

> Deus

" Buy Low, Sell High "

(If this statment is used for financial gain, I am entitled to 10% of all

profits. )

January 20, 2003

In a message dated 1/20/03 7:06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SGrubb@... writes:

> . I live

> in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town.

Hi Sharon,

It's just my two cents, but I would find out how many kids actually get

IVIG where you do. That might be a starting point for you. Also, listen to

your gut. My son does not get IVIG--but I always say the same thing to Moms.

Listen to your gut. I'm sure everyone else here gets tired of hearing me

say it, but it's so important!!

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot, chronic

sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD. Ten

surgeries, heart surgery pending.

January 20, 2003

In a message dated 1/20/03 7:06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SGrubb@... writes:

> . I live

> in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town.

Hi Sharon,

It's just my two cents, but I would find out how many kids actually get

IVIG where you do. That might be a starting point for you. Also, listen to

your gut. My son does not get IVIG--but I always say the same thing to Moms.

Listen to your gut. I'm sure everyone else here gets tired of hearing me

say it, but it's so important!!

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot, chronic

sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD. Ten

surgeries, heart surgery pending.

January 20, 2003

In a message dated 1/20/03 8:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

bookchickadee@... writes:

> So far, it hasn't proven me wrong!

>

Exactly, --that's what I'm talking about!! Hang in there.

Sandi, 's Mom

January 20, 2003

In a message dated 1/20/03 8:25:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

bookchickadee@... writes:

> So far, it hasn't proven me wrong!

>

Exactly, --that's what I'm talking about!! Hang in there.

Sandi, 's Mom

January 20, 2003

Thank you and ,

I am trying to stay calm, I just hung up from her Primary Care

Physician and asked if they had any information, and explained my

situation. Their response was to call her immunologist, as they do

not get involved. The nurse cautioned me " Not to be on the

offensive " . I told her I was not trying to be accusatory, but rather

just trying to gain an understanding of what should happen. I live

in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town. One would think

our doctors would be up on this sort of thing. This Dr Taki came

highly recommended also. I placed a call to their office but they

are out today. I will follow up tomorrow. I pray the nurse does not

take offense to my inquiry. If she does than I will be looking for a

new doctor.

Thanks again

Sharon

s mom 10 's mom 20

January 20, 2003

Thank you and ,

I am trying to stay calm, I just hung up from her Primary Care

Physician and asked if they had any information, and explained my

situation. Their response was to call her immunologist, as they do

not get involved. The nurse cautioned me " Not to be on the

offensive " . I told her I was not trying to be accusatory, but rather

just trying to gain an understanding of what should happen. I live

in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town. One would think

our doctors would be up on this sort of thing. This Dr Taki came

highly recommended also. I placed a call to their office but they

are out today. I will follow up tomorrow. I pray the nurse does not

take offense to my inquiry. If she does than I will be looking for a

new doctor.

Thanks again

Sharon

s mom 10 's mom 20

January 20, 2003

Good suggestion, thank you. I know what you mean about listening to your gut.

Firm believer!

Re: Re: Good Morning all

In a message dated 1/20/03 7:06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SGrubb@... writes:

> . I live

> in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town.

Hi Sharon,

It's just my two cents, but I would find out how many kids actually get

IVIG where you do. That might be a starting point for you. Also, listen to

your gut. My son does not get IVIG--but I always say the same thing to Moms.

Listen to your gut. I'm sure everyone else here gets tired of hearing me

say it, but it's so important!!

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot, chronic

sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD. Ten

surgeries, heart surgery pending.

January 20, 2003

Good suggestion, thank you. I know what you mean about listening to your gut.

Firm believer!

Re: Re: Good Morning all

In a message dated 1/20/03 7:06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SGrubb@... writes:

> . I live

> in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town.

Hi Sharon,

It's just my two cents, but I would find out how many kids actually get

IVIG where you do. That might be a starting point for you. Also, listen to

your gut. My son does not get IVIG--but I always say the same thing to Moms.

Listen to your gut. I'm sure everyone else here gets tired of hearing me

say it, but it's so important!!

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot, chronic

sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD. Ten

surgeries, heart surgery pending.

January 20, 2003

Sharon,

Don't feel so bad about not knowing everything! I, too, walked in in blind

faith for treatment. We were not asked to sign an informed consent form.

We were not informed about side effects like migraines, so when they hit, we

thought our dd was dying. She completely collapsed at a boy scout event!

What we observed was that the infusion center infused lots of kids, but with

all kinds of drugs (chemo, hemoglobin, antibiotics, etc.) We asked discrete

and pointed questions about how many kids they gave IVIG to. We determined

that they had only one other primary immune deficient patient undergoing

treatment and that person was a 40 yo nurse. The other patients that got

IVIG were cancer kids who needed a one-time boost! They were totally

confused that Rebekah would have reactions to IVIG or need lower infusion

rates, etc. So, we learned the hard way that an infusion center doesn't

always mean that they are experts.

Pam

wife to (16 years)

mother to , 9, Hannah, 6, Rebekah, 3, and Leah, 1

Good Morning all

Good Morning,

I know they inufse other patients, some younger

than . I know felt pretty bad during and after, but I

thought that was normal.

January 21, 2003

From: Beth, Mom to Wade, 16 (CVID,etc.)

Hi Sharon,

We use Dr. Taki & he is wonderful!! He has been my son's immunologist for

almost 8 years now. In fact, we just saw him yesterday. Call his office &

ask to speak with Anne. Tell her Beth Rathburn, Childrey's mom told

you to call her directly. She will take care of you. We used to see him in

Toledo but now we go to Ft. Wayne to see him because he is there more often

& he has his own lab, xray, pft machine, etc. right in his office, which is

more convenient. We live near Detroit, so it's about 1 1/2 hours to his

Toledo office & 3 to the Ft. Wayne office. It's worth the distance for us.

We see him usually once every three months unless there is an acute problem

that the ped & Dr. Taki can't solve over the phone, which is rare.

Good Luck! Please let me know how things work out for you. I'll keep you,

your daughter & your family in my prayers.

Hugs,

Beth

>From: " skgrbb <SGrubb@...> " <SGrubb@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Good Morning all

>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:04:51 -0000

>

>Thank you and ,

>

>I am trying to stay calm, I just hung up from her Primary Care

>Physician and asked if they had any information, and explained my

>situation. Their response was to call her immunologist, as they do

>not get involved. The nurse cautioned me " Not to be on the

>offensive " . I told her I was not trying to be accusatory, but rather

>just trying to gain an understanding of what should happen. I live

>in Toledo Ohio, which is not a little small town. One would think

>our doctors would be up on this sort of thing. This Dr Taki came

>highly recommended also. I placed a call to their office but they

>are out today. I will follow up tomorrow. I pray the nurse does not

>take offense to my inquiry. If she does than I will be looking for a

>new doctor.

>Thanks again

>Sharon

>s mom 10 's mom 20

>

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January 21, 2003

Beth,

Thank you so much for the reply. Does your son receive his IVIG via a pump?

Do they monitor his vitals? This did not happen for .

Sharon

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